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brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:22 PM Nov 2023

The Squad Is About to Fight for Its Political Life

Slate

One of the biggest, bitterest, and most expensive political battles of the 2024 election cycle has emerged: The American Israel Public Affairs Committee, one of the most powerful, best-funded influence operations in Washington, is planning to go all out to knock the famed “Squad”—the small group of highly visible and popular progressive legislators of color, most of them women—out of office.

The most outspoken and unapologetically leftist contingent of the Democratic Party in national office, the Squad has been vocal in its criticism of Israel’s retaliatory assault on Gaza following the Oct. 7 massacre of Israelis by Hamas. Members of the group have prominently pushed a cease-fire resolution in Congress; it now has 18 signatories.

Their positions on the issue are hardly radical: A recent Data for Progress poll found that 66 percent of Americans support a cease-fire, as do 80 percent of Democrats. But AIPAC has trained its attention on these members to make an example of them. And it has spent heavily against a few of them before.

AIPAC wants “to make the statement this cycle that no one is safe from their wrath, that if you speak out, you can be targeted no matter how popular or how many cycles of incumbent you are,” said Connor Farrell, president of the progressive fundraising group Left Rising, in a phone call. “It’s extremely audacious.”


Personally, I have no interest in what happens in SAFE D seats.
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The Squad Is About to Fight for Its Political Life (Original Post) brooklynite Nov 2023 OP
AIPAC will lose LiberaBlueDem Nov 2023 #1
I hope so kwolf68 Nov 2023 #21
A better title would be, " how aipac delivers all three branches to repubs" questionseverything Nov 2023 #2
How is that applicable? brooklynite Nov 2023 #3
The districts are only safe if we peasants vote questionseverything Nov 2023 #6
We're not talking about States. We're talking about House districts. brooklynite Nov 2023 #11
Maybe this year but I don't think you have a clue how upset the young people are about Israel questionseverything Nov 2023 #14
Except none of that is happening TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #20
Either with us or against us kwolf68 Nov 2023 #23
It's war TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #27
People are allowed Chi67 Nov 2023 #67
Invading Iraq TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #85
Agreed on some points Chi67 Nov 2023 #89
"Settlers " or thieves running Palestinians off their lands isn't "right " questionseverything Nov 2023 #30
I agree with that Mossfern Nov 2023 #31
Democrats should be behind President Biden and justice and safety and security for all people involved. sjr2323 Nov 2023 #45
AFAIK, Israeli politics were deeply divided before this horrible event. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #77
These Justice Democrats got their deep blue seats by primarying moderate democrats LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #53
Funny, isn't it mcar Nov 2023 #75
I have also been amused by this LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #76
Exactly! Nixie Nov 2023 #78
DAMN! elleng Nov 2023 #4
I imagine that AIPAC will lose. Autumn Nov 2023 #5
👍 Deuxcents Nov 2023 #28
Seems like another round of Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #71
AIPAC is NOT a Dem ally. in 2022 they endorsed over 100 Republicans who refused to certify Biden's election Celerity Nov 2023 #7
Thanks for posting SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #10
I forgot to also single out their endorsement of MAGAt Mike Johnson, the new christofash Speaker of the House Celerity Nov 2023 #12
AIPAC-endorsed Democrats who didn't brooklynite Nov 2023 #22
really problematic look, trying to excuse over 100 endorsements of insurrectionists with classic whataboutism Celerity Nov 2023 #26
"AIPAC is NOT a Dem ally" brooklynite Nov 2023 #32
They clearly are not, on balance. No actual ally of ours (and of American democracy in general) would endorse Celerity Nov 2023 #35
That's a remarkably naive thing for you to say. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #47
As I said in the OP, I don't care about the outcome of Safe D seats... brooklynite Nov 2023 #50
I think the important thing here is to stop you painting AIPAC as a "Dem ally" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #54
This! redqueen Nov 2023 #63
This, and didn't some of the squad vote against the President's signature Nixie Nov 2023 #69
Love Hakeem Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi, Abigail Spanberger who Fights Cha Nov 2023 #36
I just donated to Collin LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #62
Good on ya, LMPV! Cha Nov 2023 #68
The usual suspects. czarjak Nov 2023 #51
WOW redqueen Nov 2023 #64
AIPAC is not our friend at all. Eko Nov 2023 #8
I assume they are looking for primary opponents. Tomconroy Nov 2023 #9
see this from the article the OP posted: Celerity Nov 2023 #34
AOC responded RainWalker Nov 2023 #13
The one I worry for the most is the wonderful Summer Lee. AIPAC and other dark money entitles spent millions in the Celerity Nov 2023 #15
I really like her RainWalker Nov 2023 #19
Some on here would love to she her booted out in the primary, same for every one (all are PoC btw) on AIPAC's hit list. Celerity Nov 2023 #38
Again I see NOTHING AOC says kwolf68 Nov 2023 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Nov 2023 #37
They have spent large amounts of money promoting candidates that have literally called for the execution of gay people dsc Nov 2023 #16
The Squad will be fine. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #17
More focus/knowledge of AIPAC is a good thing. David__77 Nov 2023 #18
Good luck! Hope we can get some great new Democratic reps in these seats! tritsofme Nov 2023 #24
So the ones we currently have aren't great? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #72
I think the primaries can deliver us a huge upgrade! tritsofme Nov 2023 #80
Pretty telling, "no interest." cachukis Nov 2023 #29
We all lost interest when we are preparing to die, DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #42
I Hope They Hold Through, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #33
Can I just say, I LOVE you for that-- not for the "hold through" but for the reasoning lostnfound Nov 2023 #87
Depending on the district it might also hurt candidates to be supported by AIPAC JI7 Nov 2023 #39
I don't support the Squad's position here, but AIPAC can pound sand JCMach1 Nov 2023 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #41
brooklynite's position seems entirely consistent FBaggins Nov 2023 #48
When did we stop listening to other opinions? Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2023 #43
What happens in those "SAFE D" seats often have far-reaching impacts. W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #44
Tlaib is pretty much the only one I would I would not shed a tear over if she lost a primary. That said, Celerity Nov 2023 #46
Fascinating and quite delicately written. lostnfound Nov 2023 #88
Hmmm Emile Nov 2023 #49
Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #52
The observation that AIPAC is a shitty lobby org that is not aligned with the Democrats Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #56
Her's the funny thing about "the Squad" dwayneb Nov 2023 #55
I have been following the Justice Democrat group for a long time and I disagree with their goals LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #57
And yet, the Justice Democrats in office are ridiculously loyal to the party Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #73
I am on the Justice Democrat email list LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #74
LOL Oopsie Daisy Nov 2023 #79
Where have their votes been costly? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #84
LOL. I guess that we have different interpretations of your phrase "ridiculously loyal". Oopsie Daisy Nov 2023 #86
People who are giddy about this are the same who clutched their pearls whenever a challenge Autumn Nov 2023 #58
When was a Primary challenge against Manchin ever mentioned? brooklynite Nov 2023 #59
Very often. I'm shocked you are not aware of those discussions. Autumn Nov 2023 #60
Just did a search and didn't find anything... brooklynite Nov 2023 #61
Maybe you were busy with the movers and shakers? Autumn Nov 2023 #66
I don't remember any "pearl clutching" tritsofme Nov 2023 #82
I wonder what people would think if ARPAC RainWalker Nov 2023 #65
They probably are. They just don't advertise it so brazenly. Crunchy Frog Nov 2023 #81
lol what nonsense. tritsofme Nov 2023 #83
For those not caring about "safe" D seats LNM Nov 2023 #70

kwolf68

(8,452 posts)
21. I hope so
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:28 PM
Nov 2023

I have not been 100% pleased with everything "the squad" has ever said or done, but the same goes for the "mainstream" leaders, including President Biden, who I support 100% with no exceptions.

I just don't want to lose their voices. The Democratic Party is a party of diversity and that includes (at least on some level) political ideology and perspective. Once we start firing at our own for not being "politically pure", then we begin to look like the other side. We should respect and encourage diversity of vision, as long as it straddles within the Democratic vision and I am sorry but a vision of "peace" falls within our guidelines, even if some suggest to the Squad peace is no option. Fair enough. Still, we need their voices. I think it makes our party stronger. If some redneck in Alabama doesn't like "The Squad" then that tells me "The Squad" is on the right fucking path.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
3. How is that applicable?
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:30 PM
Nov 2023

All of the Squad's members are in absolutely safe Democratic districts.

questionseverything

(11,790 posts)
6. The districts are only safe if we peasants vote
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:37 PM
Nov 2023

Illinois is supposed to be a “safe” democratic state but we have elected repub governors, repub senators

If the young voters of aoc’s district start equating democrats with aipac we could be in trouble there

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
11. We're not talking about States. We're talking about House districts.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:43 PM
Nov 2023

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D+28
Ilhan Omar, D+30
Ayanna Pressley, D+35
Rashida Tlaib, D+23
Jamaal Bowman, D+20
Cori Bush, D+20

Even if some people get angry about losing their candidate, there'll be plenty of Democrats left to vote for whomever the nominee is.

questionseverything

(11,790 posts)
14. Maybe this year but I don't think you have a clue how upset the young people are about Israel
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:49 PM
Nov 2023

Fishing with dynamite, shooting fish in a barrel, these things are seen as evil among regular people, throw in targeting a young popular woman of color is a mistake that maybe devastating for the party

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
20. Except none of that is happening
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:26 PM
Nov 2023

Democrats should be behind President Biden and Israel. If they aren’t then they are uninformed or supporting terrorists, and in either instance are simply wrong. When did we stop doing what is right to make a few folks happy?

kwolf68

(8,452 posts)
23. Either with us or against us
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:31 PM
Nov 2023

Cool. I refuse to accept Jayapal is a terrorist supporter. She has seen over 11,000 of her people killed, 6,000 children? She just wants that to stop. This "wipe out Hamas" is folly. Israel could nuke Gaza and they are not whiping out Hamas. The recruiting stations are just moving to another location.
 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
27. It's war
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:46 PM
Nov 2023

Are you for or against Hamas in this war? I’m against Hamas. And your numbers are based off the reporting of a terrorist organization that just killed over a thousand Israelis and took hundreds of civilian hostages. You trust those numbers?

And you’re talking about the same Jayapal who called Israel a “racist state”? Her “people” are United States citizens, right?

Chi67

(1,285 posts)
67. People are allowed
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:45 AM
Nov 2023

To criticize both sides. This is clearly not a black-and-white situation. You trying to make it so is completely disingenuous. I recognize Israel's right to exist and defend itself. However, its reaction to Hamas' terrorist attack is disproportionate and not helpful. Hamas' leadership is in Qatar, not Gaza. Killing over 11,000 Palestinians is revenge, and it solves nothing.

Don't give me any BS "you're with us or against us" garbage. That is a copout on your part. It was wrong when we invaded Iraq after 9/11, and this is wrong too. Does criticizing our actions in Iraq make me anti-American? No. And criticizing this move by the Israeli government does not make me anti-semitic either. So knock that shit off right now. We're all getting sick of it. Killing civilians in Gaza is not going to make Hamas go away, especially when their leaders are in Qatar. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
85. Invading Iraq
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:06 PM
Nov 2023

Is a terrible analogy. The US invading Afghanistan after 9-11 is the correct analogy.

Hamas’ ultimate leader is in Qatar, the individuals who planned and carried out the attack are largely if not exclusively in Gaza. That’s why Israel is in Gaza.

You claim Israel is acting inappropriately. I disagree. President Biden disagrees. Israel disagrees. Hamas probably agrees with you. And I didn’t accuse you of antisemitism, or being pro-Hamas, but the reality is that Israel is acting appropriately and the deaths in Gaza are the fault of Hamas.

Anyone who wants a ceasefire should be demanding that Hamas immediately release all prisoners and surrender all terrorists who participated in or planned the October 7 attacks. Why isn’t that the baseline for a ceasefire? Why blame Israel when Hamas can end this conflict today by taking those steps? Hamas started this current conflict so why isn’t everyone demanding that Hamas take those simple steps to stop it?

Chi67

(1,285 posts)
89. Agreed on some points
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:05 PM
Nov 2023

Yes, Hamas SHOULD release all hostages. Of course they should. But killing innocent people isn't going to solve that, or it would have been done by now. Even destroying all of Gaza isn't going to rid the world of Hamas. If anything, it will cause more people to join Hamas or a completely different terrorist organization. The only thing that will come close to solving this crisis is a two-state solution, which Biden also supports. That comes with its own difficulties as many here have also addressed, but it is the only sensible, reasonable approach that has any chance of success. Continuing on the current path will simply lead to more war and more terror. History has shown us that over and over. And it's about time we started heeding history.

Mossfern

(4,710 posts)
31. I agree with that
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 10:13 PM
Nov 2023

but what has that got to do with this conversation?
Many Israelis also agree with that statement as well as (dare I say most?) American Jews.

 

sjr2323

(28 posts)
45. Democrats should be behind President Biden and justice and safety and security for all people involved.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 04:07 AM
Nov 2023

The current Israeli government is not a role model of justice or even democracy as thousands of Israeli demonstrators were marching against. Hamas must be eliminated as the political representative entity for the Palestinian people. But the people must have a reasonable choice of leaders from which to choose. And that chosen leader must be respected at the peace table. I agree with Bernie Sanders on this issue.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,087 posts)
77. AFAIK, Israeli politics were deeply divided before this horrible event.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:34 PM
Nov 2023

Did LIHOP happen in Israel? Cui bono? Look at the Bush Bump in 2001 after 9/11. Before that, Bush was hiding out in Texas just about the entire time before the attack and avoiding all the questions media had prior to 9/11.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,405 posts)
53. These Justice Democrats got their deep blue seats by primarying moderate democrats
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:16 AM
Nov 2023

What is wrong with moderate democrats running to retake these seats? Moderate democrats are being recruited to run for these seats. I like moderate democrats.

mcar

(45,967 posts)
75. Funny, isn't it
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:20 PM
Nov 2023

How people who cheered on the "squad" primarying elected Democrats, and applauding primarying Democrats all over the country, are now "concerned" about these folks being primaried?

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,405 posts)
76. I have also been amused by this
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:32 PM
Nov 2023

If it is okay to primary a "mainstream" democrat, then it is also okay to primary a Justice Democrat. Either way, the seat with be held by a Democrat.

Autumn

(48,950 posts)
5. I imagine that AIPAC will lose.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:35 PM
Nov 2023

And Progressives will remember. Perhaps they should show Israel's politicians some of their fucking wrath before they attempt to do ours.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
71. Seems like another round of
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:24 PM
Nov 2023

shit on progressives and then act shocked when they don't like it.

Celerity

(54,325 posts)
7. AIPAC is NOT a Dem ally. in 2022 they endorsed over 100 Republicans who refused to certify Biden's election
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:39 PM
Nov 2023
(Including Gym 'the paedo enabler' Jordan, ultra MAGAette cheerleader Elise Stefanik, the worm of worms Kevin McCarthy, the crazed gunhumper Greg Steube, Ronny 'Trump's drunk Dr Feelgood' Jackson, Joe 'you lie!' Wilson, John 'I am a racist, climate change denying MAGAt, but Henry Cuellar campaigns and fundraises for me so it's all good' Carter, Troy 'make shit up about being threatened, get caught, and then distract by trying to get Biden 25th Amendment'ed' Nehls, etc etc)

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/j-street-blasts-aipac-for-endorsing-republicans-who-voted-against-certifying-2020-election-results/

AIPAC’s new political action committee announces its first string of Congressional endorsements. They are 120 lawmakers from both parties, but also includes 37 Republicans who voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election results after the January 6 insurrection — drawing criticism from rival lobby J Street.

“AIPAC’s support for these candidates endangers American democracy and undermines the true interests and values of millions of American Jews and pro-Israel Americans who they often claim to represent,” says Laura Birnbaum, J Street’s National Political Director.

“Claims of ‘bipartisanship’ cannot excuse support for candidates who only respect election results when their party wins,” the group adds.

Responding to the criticism, AIPAC spokesman Marshall Wittmann says, “as a single-issue organization, we remain focused on our mission of building bipartisan support in Congress to strengthen the US-Israel relationship.

snip



Updated list:

https://jstreet.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/AIPAC-Endorsee-List-042022.pdf

AIPAC endorsees that voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election results

Robert Aderholt (AL-04)
Jerry Carl (AL-01)
Barry Moore (AL-02)
Gary Palmer (AL-06)
Mike Rogers (AL-03)
Andy Biggs (AZ-05)
Debbie Lesko (AZ-08)
David Schweikert (AZ-01)
Rick Crawford (AK-01
Ken Calvert (CA-41)
Mike Garcia (CA-27)
Darrell Issa (CA-48)
Doug LaMalfa (CA-01)
Kevin McCarthy (CA-20)
Jay Obernolte (CA-23)
Doug Lamborn (CO-05)
Kat Cammack (FL-03)
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL-25)
Byron Donalds (FL-19)
Neal Dunn (FL-02)
Scott Franklin (FL-15)
Carlos Gimenez (FL-26)
Brian Mast (FL-18)
Bill Posey (FL-08)
John Rutherford (FL-04)
Greg Steube (FL-17)
Daniel Webster (FL-11)
Rick Allen (GA-12)
Buddy Carter (GA-01)
Ross Fulcher (ID-01)
Mike Bost (IL-12)
Jim Baird (IN-04)
Jim Banks (IN-03)
Greg Pence (IN-06)
Ron Estes (KS-04)
Jake LaTurner (KS-02)
Tracey Mann (KS-01)
Hal Rogers (KY-05)
John Kennedy (LA-Sen)
Garret Graves (LA-06)
Clay Higgins (LA-03)
Mike Johnson (LA-04)
Steve Scalise (LA-01)
Andy Harris (MD-01)
Jack Bergman (MI-01)
Lisa McClain (MI-09)
Tim Walberg (MI-05)
Michelle Fischbach (MN-07)
Michael Guest (MS-03)
Trent Kelly (MS-01)
Steven Palazzo (MS-04)
Sam Graves (MO-06)
Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO-03)
Jason Smith (MO-08)
Matt Rosendale (MT-02)
Adrian Smith (NE-03)
Jeff Van Drew (NJ-02)
Yvette Herrell (NM-02)
Chris Jacobs (NY-24)
Nicole Malliotakis (NY-11)
Elise Stefanik (NY-21)
Dan Bishop (NC-08)
Virginia Foxx (NC-05)
Richard Hudson (NC-09)
Greg Murphy (NC-03)
David Rouzer (NC-07)
Steve Chabot (OH-01)
Bill Johnson (OH-06)
Jim Jordan (OH-04)
Stephanie Bice (OK-05)
Tom Cole (OK-04)
Kevin Hern (OK-01)
Mike Kelly (PA-16)
Dan Meuser (PA-09)
Scott Perry (PA-10)
Guy Reschenthaler (PA-14)
Lloyd Smucker (PA-11)
G.T. Thompson (PA-15)
Jeff Duncan (SC-03)
Ralph Norman (SC-05)
Tom Rice (SC-07)
William Timmons (SC-04)
Joe Wilson (SC-02)
Tim Burchett (TN-02)
Scott DesJarlais (TN-04)
Chuck Fleischmann (TN-03)
Mark Green (TN-07)
Diana Harshbarger (TN-01)
David Kustoff (TN-08)
John Rose (TN-06)
Jodey Arrington (TX-19)
Brian Babin (TX-36)
Michael Burgess (TX-26)
John Carter (TX-31)
Michael Cloud (TX-27)
Lance Gooden (TX-05)
Ronny Jackson (TX-13)
Troy Nehls (TX-22)
August Pfluger (TX-11)
Pete Sessions (TX-17)
Beth Van Duyne (TX-24)
Randy Weber (TX-14)
Roger Williams (TX-25)
Chris Stewart (UT-02)
Ben Cline (VA-06)
Morgan Griffith (VA-09)
Rob Wittman (VA-01)
Scott Fitzgerald (WI-05)
Carol Miller (WV-01)

Celerity

(54,325 posts)
12. I forgot to also single out their endorsement of MAGAt Mike Johnson, the new christofash Speaker of the House
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:45 PM
Nov 2023
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
22. AIPAC-endorsed Democrats who didn't
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:29 PM
Nov 2023

Anyone we should be writing off?

Ruben Gallego
Pete Aguilar
Manette Barragan
Tony Cárdenas
Jim Costa
Ted Lieu
Jimmy Panetta
Nancy Pelosi
Adam Schiff
Brad Sherman
Eric Swalwell
Norma lorres
Juan Vargas
Michael Bennet
Joe Neguse
Richard Blumenthal
Rosa DeLauro
Lois Frankel
Darren Soto
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Brad Schneider
Steny Hoyer
Katherine Clark
Elissa Slotkin
Haley Stevens
Chris Pappas
Josh Gottheimer
Chuck Schumer
Adrian Espallat
Hakeem Jeffries
Gregory Meeks
Grace Meng
Sean Patrick Maloney
Kathy Manning
Joyce Beatty
Ron Wyden
Brendan Boyle
Madeleine Dean
Chrissy Houlahan
Susan Wild
David Cicilline
Jim Clyburn
Colin Allred
Henry Cuellar
Veronica Escobar
Lizzie Fletcher
Sylvia Garcia
Tony Gonzales
Sheila Jackson Lee
Marc Veasey
Elaine Luria
Donald McEachin
Abigail Spanberger
Patty Murray
Derek Kilmer
Adam Smith
Marilyn Strickand

Celerity

(54,325 posts)
26. really problematic look, trying to excuse over 100 endorsements of insurrectionists with classic whataboutism
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:45 PM
Nov 2023
 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
32. "AIPAC is NOT a Dem ally"
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 10:16 PM
Nov 2023

...despite supporting 56 Democratic Senators and House members.

Celerity

(54,325 posts)
35. They clearly are not, on balance. No actual ally of ours (and of American democracy in general) would endorse
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 10:32 PM
Nov 2023

109 insurrectionist MAGAts and drop millions upon millions on their campaigns.

Not to mention all the other hateful stances many of those 109 shitheels take (and vote for in mny cases).

see this post in this thread:



muriel_volestrangler

(106,141 posts)
47. That's a remarkably naive thing for you to say.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:35 AM
Nov 2023

No, supporting some Democrats does not automatically make them a "Dem ally". AIPAC sees some Dems that support, and are generous to, Israel, so they give them support. But AIPAC has no interest in Democratic policies; they are all about Israel.

I think you know that, but you find the Squad distasteful, so you're OK with AIPAC's actions, and are happy to try and AIPAC look like they are on our side.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
50. As I said in the OP, I don't care about the outcome of Safe D seats...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:25 AM
Nov 2023

...my focus is winning back and holding the competitive ones.

That said, I recall that nobody here was outraged when the Squad primaried other reliable Democratic House members, do you?

muriel_volestrangler

(106,141 posts)
54. I think the important thing here is to stop you painting AIPAC as a "Dem ally"
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:18 AM
Nov 2023

because that would mislead DUers into thinking AIPAC ever has any Democratic interests in mind. There's a fundamental difference between a primary challenge backed by people who want further differences between Democratic representatives and the other major party, and one backed by those who actually prefer the other party, but are willing to use some Democrats where practical, for their non-Democratic aims.

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
63. This!
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:30 AM
Nov 2023
those who actually prefer the other party, but are willing to use some Democrats where practical, for their non-Democratic aims

Nixie

(17,980 posts)
69. This, and didn't some of the squad vote against the President's signature
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:03 PM
Nov 2023

legislation. Some could say that is a "problematic" look.

Cha

(318,802 posts)
36. Love Hakeem Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi, Abigail Spanberger who Fights
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 10:38 PM
Nov 2023

For Dems in a Swing District in Virgina!

Jim Clyburn, Colin Allred, Sean Patrick Maloney, Chuck Schumer bc Why Not?!, Rueben Galego, Gregory Meeks, Adam Schiff, Elise Slotkin.. Katherine Clark, Pete Aguilar .. Stenyer..

Seems Rep Richie Torres should be on there?

TY

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,405 posts)
62. I just donated to Collin
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:27 AM
Nov 2023

I also know Lizzie, Sylvia and Sheila
Henry Cuellar
Veronica Escobar
Lizzie Fletcher
Sylvia Garcia
Tony Gonzales
Sheila Jackson Lee

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
9. I assume they are looking for primary opponents.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:41 PM
Nov 2023

I don't know enough about the local districts to say if it's realistic for anyone to defeat them.

Celerity

(54,325 posts)
34. see this from the article the OP posted:
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 10:24 PM
Nov 2023
It’s strange. Sitting quietly by while a Republican-funded outside group lays waste to a popular group of incumbents would invite a host of disastrous risks, and would—crucially—jeopardize Jeffries’s own campaign to retake the House. He certainly can’t be Speaker of the House if AIPAC knocks Democrats out of their races. And it will try: In 2022, AIPAC spent millions on a conservative Democrat (and, my add, an ex Republican) to oppose Summer Lee in her 2022 primary race. After failing to knock her out, the group continued to spend against her in the general election, helping her Republican opponent and nearly costing Democrats the seat.


also see (And I must add, EVERY Dem that AIPAC is targeting is a person of colour)

How Summer Lee's historic win in Pa.'s 12th Congressional District reverberates beyond politics (and I

https://archive.li/IzVFS

Summer Lee’s historic victory in Tuesday’s midterm election secured her a place in history as Pennsylvania’s first Black congresswoman, but experts and organizers say her win speaks to a broader movement that is focused on representation and beliefs rather than solely electability. “I think this is a moment that Black voters have been waiting for for quite some time here in Pennsylvania — to know that our voices are being heard and that our needs will begin to get to be met,” said Kadida Kenner, executive director of the New Pennsylvania Project, an organization that focuses year-round on registering Pennsylvanians to vote.

Ms. Lee’s underdog campaign earned her a U.S. House seat last week, but it began in earnest in 2018 when she unseated a 10-year Democratic establishment incumbent in the primary for the Pennsylvania House 34th District. In her campaign for Congress, she faced replacing the retiring Mike Doyle, a 15-term moderate Democrat, all while going up against a Republican candidate of the same name. “She is an amazing story of organizing and campaigning and, in many ways, proving the skeptics wrong,” said Debbie Walsh, director of Rutgers University’s Center for American Women and Politics.

She said Ms. Lee’s win is particularly notable because of the odds she had against her: women of color face myriad systemic issues on top of a lack of resources and questions of electability. Ms. Lee acknowledged those long odds herself in an election-night speech as outlets such as CNN and NBC began calling her race.“Our work is not done,” she said. “We had to go through ugly to get here. There’s a reason why there had never been a Black woman — ever — to serve in the history of Pennsylvania. They’re not going to let up on us. They’re not going to relent.”

The historic nature of Ms. Lee’s election reverberated far beyond Western Pennsylvania: From the New York Times and MSNBC talk shows to Teen Vogue and Essence, writers and analysts took note of the Mon Valley native. Ms. Kenner said Black voters — particularly Black women — have acted as a firewall in recent years against extremist policies and legislation and overall come to “the defense of democracy. “So to know that our voices are being heard, that we can put people who look like us into the highest levels of government — not just here in Pennsylvania but in Congress and D.C. and the presidency, the vice presidency — it just says that … progress is happening,” she said. “It doesn’t always happen as fast as you want it to happen, but it is happening.”

Celerity

(54,325 posts)
15. The one I worry for the most is the wonderful Summer Lee. AIPAC and other dark money entitles spent millions in the
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:59 PM
Nov 2023

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primary, viscously smearing her and also backing ex Rethug Steve Irwin, Lee barely won (by 740 votes) back then, and AIPAC also endorsed and ran adverts for the Rethug in the general.

Celerity

(54,325 posts)
38. Some on here would love to she her booted out in the primary, same for every one (all are PoC btw) on AIPAC's hit list.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 11:03 PM
Nov 2023

It is ideological, and within that political ecosphere of conflict, it is a war on progs in general for that group on here. The AIPAC attempted series of hit jobs is just a welcome tool in the anti-progressive armoury. And AIPAC itself also has become more and more hostile to progs as well: see

(from the OP article):

AIPAC has a turbulent history with them, and progressives in general. In the 2022 midterms, the Israel lobby became the largest single-issue outside spender in Democratic primaries, pouring in nearly $30 million via the super PAC the United Democracy Project, and millions more via the Democratic Majority for Israel PAC. It was an astronomical amount of money, mostly directed at knocking progressives out of the primaries, largely in open and redrawn seats. Despite there being fewer vacancies in 2024, that money figure is expected to at least triple.

Israel policy was rarely ever mentioned in the ads those super PACs ran against progressives in the 2022 election cycle. But the lobbying group clearly sees Republicans (and conservative Democrats) as more likely to push for unconditional military aid from the U.S. to Israel, and has, in recent years, seen some mission creep toward the advancement of conservative policy priorities more broadly.

In 2022, AIPAC endorsed 109 Republican members of Congress who voted to overturn the 2020 election, and raised millions from Republican megadonors like Trump backers Bernie Marcus and Paul Singer. It has staffed up heavily from far-right corners of Republican politics; the group’s digital director was hired away from Trump’s Republican National Committee just before Election Day in 2020.


also see:

AIPAC vs. Democracy

AIPAC has endorsed 109 January 6 insurrectionists. The organization clearly doesn’t care if candidates don’t care about fair elections.

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democracy-middle-east-israel-palestinians/

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Which brings us back to AIPAC. After years of insisting that it was a bipartisan organization focused on lobbying Congress and the White House, not interested in getting involved in elections, AIPAC decided to get directly involved in elections. With public opinion and elected officials turning against the group’s support for Israel’s policies, it’s understandable that AIPAC would cross a line that had once seemed inviolable. First, it created a PAC, called AIPAC PAC, to give money to candidates. Then, it created a super PAC, called United Democracy Project (UDP), whose name is turning out to be a textbook example of doublespeak. Among supporters of UDP at the $1 million level are major Republican donors.

Despite raising significant funds from Republicans, UDP has been spending money in Democratic primaries, supporting AIPAC-aligned candidates against Democrats who have been more critical of Israeli policy. Among UDP’s big targets: Representative Andy Levin of Michigan, a self-identified Zionist and former synagogue president with a strong record of support for workers and addressing international human rights violations, including the Israeli occupation. Levin, at least in part due to the huge influx of AIPAC-organized money, lost his primary on August 2. AIPAC claimed it as a victory for the “pro-Israel” cause.

AIPAC’s press releases and tweets attacked Levin for his record on Israel and Palestine. Its advertisements didn’t mention the issue at all. AIPAC knew its issues didn’t have salience in most of his district, so they ignored Israel and Palestine. To put a finer point on what is happening, a national organization with access to huge sums of money, much of it from Republicans, is seeking to determine the outcome of Democratic primaries by ignoring the very issue the group works on. This is not how a democracy should work. Summer Lee, a working-class US House candidate from Pennsylvania who managed to win despite millions in AIPAC spending against her, put it this way in a recent tweet. “I’m expected to somehow raise millions to fend off multimillion dollar attacks.… Limitless corporate and dark money in elections is objectively bad and antithetical to building a truly reflective democracy.” Amen.

Also bad for democracy: insurrectionists seeking to overturn fair elections.

You probably remember them from the day they stormed the Capitol building, seeking to stop the certification of the 2020 election and pave the way for a second Trump term. You might also remember how, later that same night, 147 Republican members of Congress voted not to certify the election, signaling their disdain for the rule of law and our electoral process. And you have seen many of the current crop of incumbents and challengers at the federal and state levels continuing to insist that the last election was stolen and that the January 6 attack was an act of high patriotism.

AIPAC has endorsed 109 of these insurrectionists, including Representative Scott Perry of Pennsylvania. Perry, you may recall, used a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting to promote a conspiracy, embraced by white supremacists, that immigrants, (encouraged by Jews), are flocking to the United States to “replace” native-born Americans. Perry also voted against certifying Biden’s election. You would think a super PAC with the word “democracy” in its name, formed to support a country it considers the “only democracy in the Middle East,” on behalf of a community that has thrived in liberal democracies, would care if its candidates are hostile to democracy. You would be wrong.

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kwolf68

(8,452 posts)
25. Again I see NOTHING AOC says
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:37 PM
Nov 2023

That should be an issue. But fall in line people. Keep speaking "Squad", if you are wrong on your assertions then that will be exposed and we can call you out and move on, but if you are right, then you have given the Democratic Party the only moral clarity it may have.

Response to RainWalker (Reply #13)

dsc

(53,386 posts)
16. They have spent large amounts of money promoting candidates that have literally called for the execution of gay people
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:03 PM
Nov 2023

they have no business playing a part in our primaries.

David__77

(24,656 posts)
18. More focus/knowledge of AIPAC is a good thing.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:11 PM
Nov 2023

I'm hopeful that more people will come to see AIPAC opposition as a likely favorable sign. Sort of like the Chamber of Commerce or Family Research Council.

cachukis

(3,913 posts)
29. Pretty telling, "no interest."
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 10:00 PM
Nov 2023

There is always a hierarchy of thought.
You don't have to agree, but there is always a bit of truth in it.
It is the conflict that keeps it, the truth, moving closer to universality.
Where would we be without those with the freedom to represent ideals?

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
42. We all lost interest when we are preparing to die,
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:47 AM
Nov 2023

I presume.....

Personally, I hope to hold out for another decade...


The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
33. I Hope They Hold Through, Sir
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 10:19 PM
Nov 2023

I don't require a complete identity of view in all matters to value and support a political figure or figures I believe are good people to have in office.

lostnfound

(17,507 posts)
87. Can I just say, I LOVE you for that-- not for the "hold through" but for the reasoning
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 07:45 AM
Nov 2023

You see value in those who are different from yourself.being represented and views heard.
There’s so much wisdom in your statement. It is big-hearted.

I always respected that wisdom — from 15 years ago, or so, I remember it well.

Aside from just making people feel represented, sometimes even a voice that is wrong about an issue can teach us something important — like the need to understand false perceptions bubbling up in another part of the population. Or sometimes such a voice does give us a more complete understanding of the facts.


JCMach1

(29,196 posts)
40. I don't support the Squad's position here, but AIPAC can pound sand
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 11:07 PM
Nov 2023

The have played too many games in the past with our candidates.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

FBaggins

(28,705 posts)
48. brooklynite's position seems entirely consistent
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 06:30 AM
Nov 2023

When a seat is reliably blue, it's acceptable to back a primary challenger who is closer to one's own positions even at the expense of an incumbent Democrat. (Note that AOC would not have her seat were this not true)

When a seat is competitive, it is not smart to back a primary challenger who (though closer to one's own positions) could throw the seat red due to the intra-party conflict

When a seat is reliably red, it's acceptable (indeed, advisable) to support an incumbent Democrat (despite being far from one's own positions) when the alternative is a conservative Republican

W_HAMILTON

(10,328 posts)
44. What happens in those "SAFE D" seats often have far-reaching impacts.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:28 AM
Nov 2023

I don't live anywhere near New York, but you would think that I was in AOC's district with how often I saw Republicans running ads with her as the centerpiece against the actual Democratic candidate they were running against.

Even though she still says things that I don't agree with, I think AOC has sense become more responsible with her rhetoric and actions as time has passed. I am also fine with Pressley, even though she has taken more viewpoints that I disagree with in recent years than early on.

Omar? She also has seemed to take the AOC route a bit, but much less so. I'm not urging for her to be primaried, but I also wouldn't be upset if she were and went on to lose to a more pragmatic and reasonable candidate that we can count on for their vote but doesn't cause the sort of electoral problems elsewhere that I mentioned earlier.
 
Now someone like Tlaib? I wholeheartedly would support a Democratic primary challenger to her. I think she far too often strays into the "more harmful than helpful" area when it comes to the Democratic ideals and policies I support.

Celerity

(54,325 posts)
46. Tlaib is pretty much the only one I would I would not shed a tear over if she lost a primary. That said,
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 04:51 AM
Nov 2023

AIPAC going (and given their history they will go scorched earth) hard attack job on AOC (who is thankfully likely untouchable at this point) and also Maxwell Frost (the first Gen Z member of congress and incredibly poised, with loads of charisma) will enrage a shedload of the under 40yo voters, especially the 18 to 34yo set. I myself am nearly dead in the middle there, having just turned 27, and as I have a very large social set of 35 year olds and under, one that includes many many Americans, both expats and ones living in the US, I can safely say it will be a disaster for AIPAC with them.

It also may well make my GOTV efforts harder. The 35yo and under crowd is, on balance, far less linked at the hip with the Democratic Party than most all on DU are. I get a lot of stick myself for attempting to be the pragmatist. The nihilism and anger can be quite intense at times. Some here on DU would explode in rage if they were in a non moderated (ie no jury alerts to prevent true feelings from coming out) chat with 100 of my social set, picked at random (with the caveat that at least half would be Americans). So many of the standard articles of faith held by some here would never fly. It would not be comfortable at all for a certain type of DUer, especially the loss of control to quash narratives they do not like nor want to hear.

lostnfound

(17,507 posts)
88. Fascinating and quite delicately written.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 08:02 AM
Nov 2023

My connection with that age group are far fewer but are consistent with what you are saying.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
56. The observation that AIPAC is a shitty lobby org that is not aligned with the Democrats
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:24 AM
Nov 2023

is not equivalent to 'the Jews control everything', however your assurance that it is fits well with the observation that any criticism of Israel, of Israeli politicians, or the IDF's actions, of AIPAC etc. is automatically categorized by some people as antisemitism, regardless of the merits of the criticism.

dwayneb

(1,107 posts)
55. Her's the funny thing about "the Squad"
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:23 AM
Nov 2023

The Fascist Right tries to paint them as radical Marxists when in reality they are left of center moderates. Sure a bit further left than other Democrats but these folks are not Leftists by any stretch of the imagination. You have to go back to the 60's to Sinclair and Rubin and the SDS and the Black Panthers to find any true Leftist radicals.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,405 posts)
57. I have been following the Justice Democrat group for a long time and I disagree with their goals
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:25 AM
Nov 2023

I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats.

The Justice Democrat group want to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. I also do not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.


I am not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party



Lately members of this group have been attacking President Biden and all Jewish Democrats. This group has been attacking Israel for a while and now this group is attacking President Biden. I am getting the same email two or three times. Some days I get three or four emails from the Justice Democrats asking for funding to protect members of the Justice Democrats from nasty Jews and AIPAC.

I got the latest Justice Democrat email last night citing the Slate article. In this email, the Justice Democrats are mad that moderate democrats are being recruited and the Justice Democrats attack Israel and normal democrats for genocide. This email is mad that some are recruiting:
centrists who will uphold the status quo

In addition, this email is mad that people are:
recruited moderate candidates to challenge Cori Bush, Summer Lee, Ilhan Omar, and Jamaal Bowman, but are reportedly “still feverishly recruiting” opponents for Rashida Tlaib, AOC, and Ayanna Pressley

I am not a fan of the concept of remaking the Democratic Party nor on the attacks on President Biden and Jewish Democrats. I have already donated to President Biden and will donate to as many moderate candidates as I can in the upcoming cycle.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
73. And yet, the Justice Democrats in office are ridiculously loyal to the party
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:33 PM
Nov 2023

and don't go rogue on votes. They fight hard for constitutional rights and push all the buttons of the Republicans.

And if they can move the party left, then the party membership wants to go left. If the membership doesn't, then they won't move it.

Nobody is attacking Jewish Democrats from the left. Look at AOC's response to what is happening in the OP. Israel is doing some shitting things under their dictator wanna be. It's ok to say that. One can actually say that and support Jewish people. Crazy isn't it.

But you do on with your bad self and your march against a relatively powerless faction of the party just because they are left of you and most Dems.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,405 posts)
74. I am on the Justice Democrat email list
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:17 PM
Nov 2023

You understand that the Squad and the Justice Democrats are in mainly deep blue districts that are not competitive in the general election. The seats held by the Justice Democrats and the Squad were all won by primarying mainstream democrats. The Justice Democrats are complaining about regular or mainstream democrats primarying them. I see no reason why there should not be primary contests to see which part of the party should hold these seats.

As I mentioned, I get anywhere from one to four Justice Democrats emails a day where they attack Jewish Democrats, moderate Democrats and what they call corporate democrats all of the time. Since I am a moderate Jewish Democrat who practices corporate law, these attacks amuse me. As for voting with the party and not attacking Israel and Jewish democrats, here is an example.





The Justice Democrats also have been busy attacking President Biden and wanting to destroy the regular Democratic Party






I have refrained from cutting and pasting the constant Justice Democrats email attacking the party, Jewish Democrats and President Biden. I do love the fact that the fundraising for the Justice Democrats has dropped off and the fact that the Justice Democrats had to laid off a significant portion of their staff including one of the founders of the Justice Democrats.


I am happy to be a mainstream Democrat. I was a Clinton delegate to the Philadelphia convention and has been working on voter protection efforts since the 2004 election. I maxed out to President Biden in 2019 when he really needed the money and got to meet President Biden in person at two different fundraisers. These primary contests will be fun to watch, and I will probably donate to one or more of these races in addition to donating to President Biden and Collin Allred.

Cuthbert Allgood

(5,339 posts)
84. Where have their votes been costly?
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:53 PM
Nov 2023

Sure some of them voted against things that were clearly going to pass because it represented their constituents and it was clear they had approval from the Whip.

So, show me where I'm wrong. When have they voted on the floor of the House in a way that hurt the Democratic Party (to which they belong, FYI).

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
86. LOL. I guess that we have different interpretations of your phrase "ridiculously loyal".
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:43 AM
Nov 2023

And, I guess my standards are higher because we have different ideas about what words and deeds (both active and by omission) can "hurt the party".

Autumn

(48,950 posts)
58. People who are giddy about this are the same who clutched their pearls whenever a challenge
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:56 AM
Nov 2023

against Manchin was mentioned. That is delightful to me.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
61. Just did a search and didn't find anything...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:24 AM
Nov 2023

...other than the usual "Manchin isn't a real Democrat" rants.

Autumn

(48,950 posts)
66. Maybe you were busy with the movers and shakers?
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:34 AM
Nov 2023

Every time he derailed Biden's agenda with his votes and when he voted for the people who took away women's rights it would be suggested that he be replaced and pearl clutching would begin. Sorry you missed it.

tritsofme

(19,886 posts)
82. I don't remember any "pearl clutching"
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:40 PM
Nov 2023

Perhaps you confused that with people soberly pointing out that any victorious primary challenger would have surely been crushed in a deep red WV general election. So basically, a primary challenge there just would have been stupid.

Luckily that is not a concern with these potential primaries, all of the races are in deep blue districts.

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
65. I wonder what people would think if ARPAC
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:31 AM
Nov 2023

was a thing; ARPAC - Russian American Public Affairs Committee.

LNM

(1,259 posts)
70. For those not caring about "safe" D seats
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:11 PM
Nov 2023

Ilhan Omar beat Don Samuels by 2% in the last primary. He just announced he's going to run against her again. This seat is still safe no matter which one wins, I'm just saying it may not be safe for Omar. Personally, I like both of them.

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