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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Squad Is About to Fight for Its Political Life
SlateThe most outspoken and unapologetically leftist contingent of the Democratic Party in national office, the Squad has been vocal in its criticism of Israels retaliatory assault on Gaza following the Oct. 7 massacre of Israelis by Hamas. Members of the group have prominently pushed a cease-fire resolution in Congress; it now has 18 signatories.
Their positions on the issue are hardly radical: A recent Data for Progress poll found that 66 percent of Americans support a cease-fire, as do 80 percent of Democrats. But AIPAC has trained its attention on these members to make an example of them. And it has spent heavily against a few of them before.
AIPAC wants to make the statement this cycle that no one is safe from their wrath, that if you speak out, you can be targeted no matter how popular or how many cycles of incumbent you are, said Connor Farrell, president of the progressive fundraising group Left Rising, in a phone call. Its extremely audacious.
Personally, I have no interest in what happens in SAFE D seats.
LiberaBlueDem
(1,167 posts)The SQUAD will crush them
kwolf68
(8,452 posts)I have not been 100% pleased with everything "the squad" has ever said or done, but the same goes for the "mainstream" leaders, including President Biden, who I support 100% with no exceptions.
I just don't want to lose their voices. The Democratic Party is a party of diversity and that includes (at least on some level) political ideology and perspective. Once we start firing at our own for not being "politically pure", then we begin to look like the other side. We should respect and encourage diversity of vision, as long as it straddles within the Democratic vision and I am sorry but a vision of "peace" falls within our guidelines, even if some suggest to the Squad peace is no option. Fair enough. Still, we need their voices. I think it makes our party stronger. If some redneck in Alabama doesn't like "The Squad" then that tells me "The Squad" is on the right fucking path.
questionseverything
(11,790 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)All of the Squad's members are in absolutely safe Democratic districts.
questionseverything
(11,790 posts)Illinois is supposed to be a safe democratic state but we have elected repub governors, repub senators
If the young voters of aocs district start equating democrats with aipac we could be in trouble there
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D+28
Ilhan Omar, D+30
Ayanna Pressley, D+35
Rashida Tlaib, D+23
Jamaal Bowman, D+20
Cori Bush, D+20
Even if some people get angry about losing their candidate, there'll be plenty of Democrats left to vote for whomever the nominee is.
questionseverything
(11,790 posts)Fishing with dynamite, shooting fish in a barrel, these things are seen as evil among regular people, throw in targeting a young popular woman of color is a mistake that maybe devastating for the party
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Democrats should be behind President Biden and Israel. If they arent then they are uninformed or supporting terrorists, and in either instance are simply wrong. When did we stop doing what is right to make a few folks happy?
kwolf68
(8,452 posts)Cool. I refuse to accept Jayapal is a terrorist supporter. She has seen over 11,000 of her people killed, 6,000 children? She just wants that to stop. This "wipe out Hamas" is folly. Israel could nuke Gaza and they are not whiping out Hamas. The recruiting stations are just moving to another location.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Are you for or against Hamas in this war? Im against Hamas. And your numbers are based off the reporting of a terrorist organization that just killed over a thousand Israelis and took hundreds of civilian hostages. You trust those numbers?
And youre talking about the same Jayapal who called Israel a racist state? Her people are United States citizens, right?
Chi67
(1,285 posts)To criticize both sides. This is clearly not a black-and-white situation. You trying to make it so is completely disingenuous. I recognize Israel's right to exist and defend itself. However, its reaction to Hamas' terrorist attack is disproportionate and not helpful. Hamas' leadership is in Qatar, not Gaza. Killing over 11,000 Palestinians is revenge, and it solves nothing.
Don't give me any BS "you're with us or against us" garbage. That is a copout on your part. It was wrong when we invaded Iraq after 9/11, and this is wrong too. Does criticizing our actions in Iraq make me anti-American? No. And criticizing this move by the Israeli government does not make me anti-semitic either. So knock that shit off right now. We're all getting sick of it. Killing civilians in Gaza is not going to make Hamas go away, especially when their leaders are in Qatar. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Is a terrible analogy. The US invading Afghanistan after 9-11 is the correct analogy.
Hamas ultimate leader is in Qatar, the individuals who planned and carried out the attack are largely if not exclusively in Gaza. Thats why Israel is in Gaza.
You claim Israel is acting inappropriately. I disagree. President Biden disagrees. Israel disagrees. Hamas probably agrees with you. And I didnt accuse you of antisemitism, or being pro-Hamas, but the reality is that Israel is acting appropriately and the deaths in Gaza are the fault of Hamas.
Anyone who wants a ceasefire should be demanding that Hamas immediately release all prisoners and surrender all terrorists who participated in or planned the October 7 attacks. Why isnt that the baseline for a ceasefire? Why blame Israel when Hamas can end this conflict today by taking those steps? Hamas started this current conflict so why isnt everyone demanding that Hamas take those simple steps to stop it?
Chi67
(1,285 posts)Yes, Hamas SHOULD release all hostages. Of course they should. But killing innocent people isn't going to solve that, or it would have been done by now. Even destroying all of Gaza isn't going to rid the world of Hamas. If anything, it will cause more people to join Hamas or a completely different terrorist organization. The only thing that will come close to solving this crisis is a two-state solution, which Biden also supports. That comes with its own difficulties as many here have also addressed, but it is the only sensible, reasonable approach that has any chance of success. Continuing on the current path will simply lead to more war and more terror. History has shown us that over and over. And it's about time we started heeding history.
questionseverything
(11,790 posts)Mossfern
(4,710 posts)but what has that got to do with this conversation?
Many Israelis also agree with that statement as well as (dare I say most?) American Jews.
sjr2323
(28 posts)The current Israeli government is not a role model of justice or even democracy as thousands of Israeli demonstrators were marching against. Hamas must be eliminated as the political representative entity for the Palestinian people. But the people must have a reasonable choice of leaders from which to choose. And that chosen leader must be respected at the peace table. I agree with Bernie Sanders on this issue.
OAITW r.2.0
(32,087 posts)Did LIHOP happen in Israel? Cui bono? Look at the Bush Bump in 2001 after 9/11. Before that, Bush was hiding out in Texas just about the entire time before the attack and avoiding all the questions media had prior to 9/11.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,405 posts)What is wrong with moderate democrats running to retake these seats? Moderate democrats are being recruited to run for these seats. I like moderate democrats.
mcar
(45,967 posts)How people who cheered on the "squad" primarying elected Democrats, and applauding primarying Democrats all over the country, are now "concerned" about these folks being primaried?
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,405 posts)If it is okay to primary a "mainstream" democrat, then it is also okay to primary a Justice Democrat. Either way, the seat with be held by a Democrat.
It's quite amusing.
elleng
(141,926 posts)Autumn
(48,950 posts)And Progressives will remember.
Perhaps they should show Israel's politicians some of their fucking wrath before they attempt to do ours.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)shit on progressives and then act shocked when they don't like it.
Celerity
(54,325 posts)https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/j-street-blasts-aipac-for-endorsing-republicans-who-voted-against-certifying-2020-election-results/
AIPACs new political action committee announces its first string of Congressional endorsements. They are 120 lawmakers from both parties, but also includes 37 Republicans who voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election results after the January 6 insurrection drawing criticism from rival lobby J Street.
AIPACs support for these candidates endangers American democracy and undermines the true interests and values of millions of American Jews and pro-Israel Americans who they often claim to represent, says Laura Birnbaum, J Streets National Political Director.
Claims of bipartisanship cannot excuse support for candidates who only respect election results when their party wins, the group adds.
Responding to the criticism, AIPAC spokesman Marshall Wittmann says, as a single-issue organization, we remain focused on our mission of building bipartisan support in Congress to strengthen the US-Israel relationship.
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Updated list:
https://jstreet.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/04/AIPAC-Endorsee-List-042022.pdf
AIPAC endorsees that voted against certifying the 2020 presidential election results
Robert Aderholt (AL-04)
Jerry Carl (AL-01)
Barry Moore (AL-02)
Gary Palmer (AL-06)
Mike Rogers (AL-03)
Andy Biggs (AZ-05)
Debbie Lesko (AZ-08)
David Schweikert (AZ-01)
Rick Crawford (AK-01
Ken Calvert (CA-41)
Mike Garcia (CA-27)
Darrell Issa (CA-48)
Doug LaMalfa (CA-01)
Kevin McCarthy (CA-20)
Jay Obernolte (CA-23)
Doug Lamborn (CO-05)
Kat Cammack (FL-03)
Mario Diaz-Balart (FL-25)
Byron Donalds (FL-19)
Neal Dunn (FL-02)
Scott Franklin (FL-15)
Carlos Gimenez (FL-26)
Brian Mast (FL-18)
Bill Posey (FL-08)
John Rutherford (FL-04)
Greg Steube (FL-17)
Daniel Webster (FL-11)
Rick Allen (GA-12)
Buddy Carter (GA-01)
Ross Fulcher (ID-01)
Mike Bost (IL-12)
Jim Baird (IN-04)
Jim Banks (IN-03)
Greg Pence (IN-06)
Ron Estes (KS-04)
Jake LaTurner (KS-02)
Tracey Mann (KS-01)
Hal Rogers (KY-05)
John Kennedy (LA-Sen)
Garret Graves (LA-06)
Clay Higgins (LA-03)
Mike Johnson (LA-04)
Steve Scalise (LA-01)
Andy Harris (MD-01)
Jack Bergman (MI-01)
Lisa McClain (MI-09)
Tim Walberg (MI-05)
Michelle Fischbach (MN-07)
Michael Guest (MS-03)
Trent Kelly (MS-01)
Steven Palazzo (MS-04)
Sam Graves (MO-06)
Blaine Luetkemeyer (MO-03)
Jason Smith (MO-08)
Matt Rosendale (MT-02)
Adrian Smith (NE-03)
Jeff Van Drew (NJ-02)
Yvette Herrell (NM-02)
Chris Jacobs (NY-24)
Nicole Malliotakis (NY-11)
Elise Stefanik (NY-21)
Dan Bishop (NC-08)
Virginia Foxx (NC-05)
Richard Hudson (NC-09)
Greg Murphy (NC-03)
David Rouzer (NC-07)
Steve Chabot (OH-01)
Bill Johnson (OH-06)
Jim Jordan (OH-04)
Stephanie Bice (OK-05)
Tom Cole (OK-04)
Kevin Hern (OK-01)
Mike Kelly (PA-16)
Dan Meuser (PA-09)
Scott Perry (PA-10)
Guy Reschenthaler (PA-14)
Lloyd Smucker (PA-11)
G.T. Thompson (PA-15)
Jeff Duncan (SC-03)
Ralph Norman (SC-05)
Tom Rice (SC-07)
William Timmons (SC-04)
Joe Wilson (SC-02)
Tim Burchett (TN-02)
Scott DesJarlais (TN-04)
Chuck Fleischmann (TN-03)
Mark Green (TN-07)
Diana Harshbarger (TN-01)
David Kustoff (TN-08)
John Rose (TN-06)
Jodey Arrington (TX-19)
Brian Babin (TX-36)
Michael Burgess (TX-26)
John Carter (TX-31)
Michael Cloud (TX-27)
Lance Gooden (TX-05)
Ronny Jackson (TX-13)
Troy Nehls (TX-22)
August Pfluger (TX-11)
Pete Sessions (TX-17)
Beth Van Duyne (TX-24)
Randy Weber (TX-14)
Roger Williams (TX-25)
Chris Stewart (UT-02)
Ben Cline (VA-06)
Morgan Griffith (VA-09)
Rob Wittman (VA-01)
Scott Fitzgerald (WI-05)
Carol Miller (WV-01)
SocialDemocrat61
(7,568 posts)Valuable information 👍
Celerity
(54,325 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Anyone we should be writing off?
Ruben Gallego
Pete Aguilar
Manette Barragan
Tony Cárdenas
Jim Costa
Ted Lieu
Jimmy Panetta
Nancy Pelosi
Adam Schiff
Brad Sherman
Eric Swalwell
Norma lorres
Juan Vargas
Michael Bennet
Joe Neguse
Richard Blumenthal
Rosa DeLauro
Lois Frankel
Darren Soto
Debbie Wasserman Schultz
Brad Schneider
Steny Hoyer
Katherine Clark
Elissa Slotkin
Haley Stevens
Chris Pappas
Josh Gottheimer
Chuck Schumer
Adrian Espallat
Hakeem Jeffries
Gregory Meeks
Grace Meng
Sean Patrick Maloney
Kathy Manning
Joyce Beatty
Ron Wyden
Brendan Boyle
Madeleine Dean
Chrissy Houlahan
Susan Wild
David Cicilline
Jim Clyburn
Colin Allred
Henry Cuellar
Veronica Escobar
Lizzie Fletcher
Sylvia Garcia
Tony Gonzales
Sheila Jackson Lee
Marc Veasey
Elaine Luria
Donald McEachin
Abigail Spanberger
Patty Murray
Derek Kilmer
Adam Smith
Marilyn Strickand
Celerity
(54,325 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...despite supporting 56 Democratic Senators and House members.
Celerity
(54,325 posts)109 insurrectionist MAGAts and drop millions upon millions on their campaigns.
Not to mention all the other hateful stances many of those 109 shitheels take (and vote for in mny cases).
see this post in this thread:

muriel_volestrangler
(106,141 posts)No, supporting some Democrats does not automatically make them a "Dem ally". AIPAC sees some Dems that support, and are generous to, Israel, so they give them support. But AIPAC has no interest in Democratic policies; they are all about Israel.
I think you know that, but you find the Squad distasteful, so you're OK with AIPAC's actions, and are happy to try and AIPAC look like they are on our side.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...my focus is winning back and holding the competitive ones.
That said, I recall that nobody here was outraged when the Squad primaried other reliable Democratic House members, do you?
muriel_volestrangler
(106,141 posts)because that would mislead DUers into thinking AIPAC ever has any Democratic interests in mind. There's a fundamental difference between a primary challenge backed by people who want further differences between Democratic representatives and the other major party, and one backed by those who actually prefer the other party, but are willing to use some Democrats where practical, for their non-Democratic aims.
redqueen
(115,186 posts)Nixie
(17,980 posts)legislation. Some could say that is a "problematic" look.
Cha
(318,802 posts)For Dems in a Swing District in Virgina!
Jim Clyburn, Colin Allred, Sean Patrick Maloney, Chuck Schumer bc Why Not?!, Rueben Galego, Gregory Meeks, Adam Schiff, Elise Slotkin.. Katherine Clark, Pete Aguilar .. Stenyer..
Seems Rep Richie Torres should be on there?
TY
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,405 posts)I also know Lizzie, Sylvia and Sheila
Henry Cuellar
Veronica Escobar
Lizzie Fletcher
Sylvia Garcia
Tony Gonzales
Sheila Jackson Lee
Cha
(318,802 posts)czarjak
(13,626 posts)This should be an OP!
Eko
(9,974 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)I don't know enough about the local districts to say if it's realistic for anyone to defeat them.
Celerity
(54,325 posts)also see (And I must add, EVERY Dem that AIPAC is targeting is a person of colour)
https://archive.li/IzVFS
Summer Lees historic victory in Tuesdays midterm election secured her a place in history as Pennsylvanias first Black congresswoman, but experts and organizers say her win speaks to a broader movement that is focused on representation and beliefs rather than solely electability. I think this is a moment that Black voters have been waiting for for quite some time here in Pennsylvania to know that our voices are being heard and that our needs will begin to get to be met, said Kadida Kenner, executive director of the New Pennsylvania Project, an organization that focuses year-round on registering Pennsylvanians to vote.
Ms. Lees underdog campaign earned her a U.S. House seat last week, but it began in earnest in 2018 when she unseated a 10-year Democratic establishment incumbent in the primary for the Pennsylvania House 34th District. In her campaign for Congress, she faced replacing the retiring Mike Doyle, a 15-term moderate Democrat, all while going up against a Republican candidate of the same name. She is an amazing story of organizing and campaigning and, in many ways, proving the skeptics wrong, said Debbie Walsh, director of Rutgers Universitys Center for American Women and Politics.
She said Ms. Lees win is particularly notable because of the odds she had against her: women of color face myriad systemic issues on top of a lack of resources and questions of electability. Ms. Lee acknowledged those long odds herself in an election-night speech as outlets such as CNN and NBC began calling her race.Our work is not done, she said. We had to go through ugly to get here. Theres a reason why there had never been a Black woman ever to serve in the history of Pennsylvania. Theyre not going to let up on us. Theyre not going to relent.
The historic nature of Ms. Lees election reverberated far beyond Western Pennsylvania: From the New York Times and MSNBC talk shows to Teen Vogue and Essence, writers and analysts took note of the Mon Valley native. Ms. Kenner said Black voters particularly Black women have acted as a firewall in recent years against extremist policies and legislation and overall come to the defense of democracy. So to know that our voices are being heard, that we can put people who look like us into the highest levels of government not just here in Pennsylvania but in Congress and D.C. and the presidency, the vice presidency it just says that progress is happening, she said. It doesnt always happen as fast as you want it to happen, but it is happening.
RainWalker
(605 posts)Celerity
(54,325 posts)Last edited Wed Nov 15, 2023, 10:36 PM - Edit history (1)
primary, viscously smearing her and also backing ex Rethug Steve Irwin, Lee barely won (by 740 votes) back then, and AIPAC also endorsed and ran adverts for the Rethug in the general.
RainWalker
(605 posts)She's very much a young rising star in our party.
Celerity
(54,325 posts)It is ideological, and within that political ecosphere of conflict, it is a war on progs in general for that group on here. The AIPAC attempted series of hit jobs is just a welcome tool in the anti-progressive armoury. And AIPAC itself also has become more and more hostile to progs as well: see
(from the OP article):
Israel policy was rarely ever mentioned in the ads those super PACs ran against progressives in the 2022 election cycle. But the lobbying group clearly sees Republicans (and conservative Democrats) as more likely to push for unconditional military aid from the U.S. to Israel, and has, in recent years, seen some mission creep toward the advancement of conservative policy priorities more broadly.
In 2022, AIPAC endorsed 109 Republican members of Congress who voted to overturn the 2020 election, and raised millions from Republican megadonors like Trump backers Bernie Marcus and Paul Singer. It has staffed up heavily from far-right corners of Republican politics; the groups digital director was hired away from Trumps Republican National Committee just before Election Day in 2020.
also see:
AIPAC has endorsed 109 January 6 insurrectionists. The organization clearly doesnt care if candidates dont care about fair elections.
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/democracy-middle-east-israel-palestinians/
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Which brings us back to AIPAC. After years of insisting that it was a bipartisan organization focused on lobbying Congress and the White House, not interested in getting involved in elections, AIPAC decided to get directly involved in elections. With public opinion and elected officials turning against the groups support for Israels policies, its understandable that AIPAC would cross a line that had once seemed inviolable. First, it created a PAC, called AIPAC PAC, to give money to candidates. Then, it created a super PAC, called United Democracy Project (UDP), whose name is turning out to be a textbook example of doublespeak. Among supporters of UDP at the $1 million level are major Republican donors.
Despite raising significant funds from Republicans, UDP has been spending money in Democratic primaries, supporting AIPAC-aligned candidates against Democrats who have been more critical of Israeli policy. Among UDPs big targets: Representative Andy Levin of Michigan, a self-identified Zionist and former synagogue president with a strong record of support for workers and addressing international human rights violations, including the Israeli occupation. Levin, at least in part due to the huge influx of AIPAC-organized money, lost his primary on August 2. AIPAC claimed it as a victory for the pro-Israel cause.
AIPACs press releases and tweets attacked Levin for his record on Israel and Palestine. Its advertisements didnt mention the issue at all. AIPAC knew its issues didnt have salience in most of his district, so they ignored Israel and Palestine. To put a finer point on what is happening, a national organization with access to huge sums of money, much of it from Republicans, is seeking to determine the outcome of Democratic primaries by ignoring the very issue the group works on. This is not how a democracy should work. Summer Lee, a working-class US House candidate from Pennsylvania who managed to win despite millions in AIPAC spending against her, put it this way in a recent tweet. Im expected to somehow raise millions to fend off multimillion dollar attacks. Limitless corporate and dark money in elections is objectively bad and antithetical to building a truly reflective democracy. Amen.
Also bad for democracy: insurrectionists seeking to overturn fair elections.
You probably remember them from the day they stormed the Capitol building, seeking to stop the certification of the 2020 election and pave the way for a second Trump term. You might also remember how, later that same night, 147 Republican members of Congress voted not to certify the election, signaling their disdain for the rule of law and our electoral process. And you have seen many of the current crop of incumbents and challengers at the federal and state levels continuing to insist that the last election was stolen and that the January 6 attack was an act of high patriotism.
AIPAC has endorsed 109 of these insurrectionists, including Representative Scott Perry of Pennsylvania. Perry, you may recall, used a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting to promote a conspiracy, embraced by white supremacists, that immigrants, (encouraged by Jews), are flocking to the United States to replace native-born Americans. Perry also voted against certifying Bidens election. You would think a super PAC with the word democracy in its name, formed to support a country it considers the only democracy in the Middle East, on behalf of a community that has thrived in liberal democracies, would care if its candidates are hostile to democracy. You would be wrong.
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kwolf68
(8,452 posts)That should be an issue. But fall in line people. Keep speaking "Squad", if you are wrong on your assertions then that will be exposed and we can call you out and move on, but if you are right, then you have given the Democratic Party the only moral clarity it may have.
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dsc
(53,386 posts)they have no business playing a part in our primaries.
BlueCheeseAgain
(1,983 posts)Incumbents very rarely lose primaries.
David__77
(24,656 posts)I'm hopeful that more people will come to see AIPAC opposition as a likely favorable sign. Sort of like the Chamber of Commerce or Family Research Council.
tritsofme
(19,886 posts)Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)tritsofme
(19,886 posts)cachukis
(3,913 posts)There is always a hierarchy of thought.
You don't have to agree, but there is always a bit of truth in it.
It is the conflict that keeps it, the truth, moving closer to universality.
Where would we be without those with the freedom to represent ideals?
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)I presume.....
Personally, I hope to hold out for another decade...
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I don't require a complete identity of view in all matters to value and support a political figure or figures I believe are good people to have in office.
lostnfound
(17,507 posts)You see value in those who are different from yourself.being represented and views heard.
Theres so much wisdom in your statement. It is big-hearted.
I always respected that wisdom from 15 years ago, or so, I remember it well.
Aside from just making people feel represented, sometimes even a voice that is wrong about an issue can teach us something important like the need to understand false perceptions bubbling up in another part of the population. Or sometimes such a voice does give us a more complete understanding of the facts.
JI7
(93,558 posts)JCMach1
(29,196 posts)The have played too many games in the past with our candidates.
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FBaggins
(28,705 posts)When a seat is reliably blue, it's acceptable to back a primary challenger who is closer to one's own positions even at the expense of an incumbent Democrat. (Note that AOC would not have her seat were this not true)
When a seat is competitive, it is not smart to back a primary challenger who (though closer to one's own positions) could throw the seat red due to the intra-party conflict
When a seat is reliably red, it's acceptable (indeed, advisable) to support an incumbent Democrat (despite being far from one's own positions) when the alternative is a conservative Republican
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Sad day
W_HAMILTON
(10,328 posts)I don't live anywhere near New York, but you would think that I was in AOC's district with how often I saw Republicans running ads with her as the centerpiece against the actual Democratic candidate they were running against.
Even though she still says things that I don't agree with, I think AOC has sense become more responsible with her rhetoric and actions as time has passed. I am also fine with Pressley, even though she has taken more viewpoints that I disagree with in recent years than early on.
Omar? She also has seemed to take the AOC route a bit, but much less so. I'm not urging for her to be primaried, but I also wouldn't be upset if she were and went on to lose to a more pragmatic and reasonable candidate that we can count on for their vote but doesn't cause the sort of electoral problems elsewhere that I mentioned earlier.
Now someone like Tlaib? I wholeheartedly would support a Democratic primary challenger to her. I think she far too often strays into the "more harmful than helpful" area when it comes to the Democratic ideals and policies I support.
Celerity
(54,325 posts)AIPAC going (and given their history they will go scorched earth) hard attack job on AOC (who is thankfully likely untouchable at this point) and also Maxwell Frost (the first Gen Z member of congress and incredibly poised, with loads of charisma) will enrage a shedload of the under 40yo voters, especially the 18 to 34yo set. I myself am nearly dead in the middle there, having just turned 27, and as I have a very large social set of 35 year olds and under, one that includes many many Americans, both expats and ones living in the US, I can safely say it will be a disaster for AIPAC with them.
It also may well make my GOTV efforts harder. The 35yo and under crowd is, on balance, far less linked at the hip with the Democratic Party than most all on DU are. I get a lot of stick myself for attempting to be the pragmatist. The nihilism and anger can be quite intense at times. Some here on DU would explode in rage if they were in a non moderated (ie no jury alerts to prevent true feelings from coming out) chat with 100 of my social set, picked at random (with the caveat that at least half would be Americans). So many of the standard articles of faith held by some here would never fly. It would not be comfortable at all for a certain type of DUer, especially the loss of control to quash narratives they do not like nor want to hear.
lostnfound
(17,507 posts)My connection with that age group are far fewer but are consistent with what you are saying.
Emile
(42,173 posts)Response to brooklynite (Original post)
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Voltaire2
(15,377 posts)is not equivalent to 'the Jews control everything', however your assurance that it is fits well with the observation that any criticism of Israel, of Israeli politicians, or the IDF's actions, of AIPAC etc. is automatically categorized by some people as antisemitism, regardless of the merits of the criticism.
dwayneb
(1,107 posts)The Fascist Right tries to paint them as radical Marxists when in reality they are left of center moderates. Sure a bit further left than other Democrats but these folks are not Leftists by any stretch of the imagination. You have to go back to the 60's to Sinclair and Rubin and the SDS and the Black Panthers to find any true Leftist radicals.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,405 posts)I have been following the Justice Democrats and its predecessor for a while including the "brand new congress group" and other groups created by Cenk, Kyle Kulinksi and their ilk. I am on the Justice Democrat email list and I have even listened once or twice to the Justice Democrat podcast which is amusingly called "Just Us" democrats. The Justice Democrats emails are fun to laugh at and I love the hatred this group shows to the Democratic Party, establishment Democrats and best of all corporate democrats.
The Justice Democrat group want to take over the Democratic party and remake into their image. I also do not want the Democratic Party to be taken over by the Justice Democrat group.

I am not the only person who has issues with the concept that the Justice Democrats want to take over the Democratic Party
Link to tweet
Lately members of this group have been attacking President Biden and all Jewish Democrats. This group has been attacking Israel for a while and now this group is attacking President Biden. I am getting the same email two or three times. Some days I get three or four emails from the Justice Democrats asking for funding to protect members of the Justice Democrats from nasty Jews and AIPAC.
I got the latest Justice Democrat email last night citing the Slate article. In this email, the Justice Democrats are mad that moderate democrats are being recruited and the Justice Democrats attack Israel and normal democrats for genocide. This email is mad that some are recruiting:
In addition, this email is mad that people are:
I am not a fan of the concept of remaking the Democratic Party nor on the attacks on President Biden and Jewish Democrats. I have already donated to President Biden and will donate to as many moderate candidates as I can in the upcoming cycle.
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)and don't go rogue on votes. They fight hard for constitutional rights and push all the buttons of the Republicans.
And if they can move the party left, then the party membership wants to go left. If the membership doesn't, then they won't move it.
Nobody is attacking Jewish Democrats from the left. Look at AOC's response to what is happening in the OP. Israel is doing some shitting things under their dictator wanna be. It's ok to say that. One can actually say that and support Jewish people. Crazy isn't it.
But you do on with your bad self and your march against a relatively powerless faction of the party just because they are left of you and most Dems.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,405 posts)You understand that the Squad and the Justice Democrats are in mainly deep blue districts that are not competitive in the general election. The seats held by the Justice Democrats and the Squad were all won by primarying mainstream democrats. The Justice Democrats are complaining about regular or mainstream democrats primarying them. I see no reason why there should not be primary contests to see which part of the party should hold these seats.
As I mentioned, I get anywhere from one to four Justice Democrats emails a day where they attack Jewish Democrats, moderate Democrats and what they call corporate democrats all of the time. Since I am a moderate Jewish Democrat who practices corporate law, these attacks amuse me. As for voting with the party and not attacking Israel and Jewish democrats, here is an example.
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The Justice Democrats also have been busy attacking President Biden and wanting to destroy the regular Democratic Party
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I have refrained from cutting and pasting the constant Justice Democrats email attacking the party, Jewish Democrats and President Biden. I do love the fact that the fundraising for the Justice Democrats has dropped off and the fact that the Justice Democrats had to laid off a significant portion of their staff including one of the founders of the Justice Democrats.
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I am happy to be a mainstream Democrat. I was a Clinton delegate to the Philadelphia convention and has been working on voter protection efforts since the 2004 election. I maxed out to President Biden in 2019 when he really needed the money and got to meet President Biden in person at two different fundraisers. These primary contests will be fun to watch, and I will probably donate to one or more of these races in addition to donating to President Biden and Collin Allred.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)(Funny.)
Cuthbert Allgood
(5,339 posts)Sure some of them voted against things that were clearly going to pass because it represented their constituents and it was clear they had approval from the Whip.
So, show me where I'm wrong. When have they voted on the floor of the House in a way that hurt the Democratic Party (to which they belong, FYI).
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)And, I guess my standards are higher because we have different ideas about what words and deeds (both active and by omission) can "hurt the party".
Autumn
(48,950 posts)against Manchin was mentioned.
That is delightful to me.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Autumn
(48,950 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)...other than the usual "Manchin isn't a real Democrat" rants.
Autumn
(48,950 posts)Every time he derailed Biden's agenda with his votes and when he voted for the people who took away women's rights it would be suggested that he be replaced and pearl clutching would begin. Sorry you missed it.
tritsofme
(19,886 posts)Perhaps you confused that with people soberly pointing out that any victorious primary challenger would have surely been crushed in a deep red WV general election. So basically, a primary challenge there just would have been stupid.
Luckily that is not a concern with these potential primaries, all of the races are in deep blue districts.
RainWalker
(605 posts)was a thing; ARPAC - Russian American Public Affairs Committee.
Crunchy Frog
(28,264 posts)tritsofme
(19,886 posts)LNM
(1,259 posts)Ilhan Omar beat Don Samuels by 2% in the last primary. He just announced he's going to run against her again. This seat is still safe no matter which one wins, I'm just saying it may not be safe for Omar. Personally, I like both of them.