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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone else getting that feeling?
That 2024 is going to be a blowout year for Democrats?
I am as I watch Motherfucker's Cult implode.
We can't be complacent, we can't take our foot off the gas pedal, but I honestly believe that Americans, who got caught on the wrong side of history, are waking up out of their fever dreams.
We are flipping the House, we will hold the Senate and possibly increase the numbers.
And President Joe Biden will retake the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2025.
cilla4progress
(26,525 posts)https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4311429-chip-roy-gets-heated-over-spending-strategy-were-pissing-it-all-away/
Not his content so much as the internal GOP dissension.
Staying focused..
lees1975
(7,046 posts)I'm waiting for a good floor fight between a couple of GOP congressmen.
I think the OP is exactly on target. The media is trying to keep the Trumpie noise alive because it helps their ratings, but after his nice vermin remarks, and several other recent speeches that they are promiting, inadvertently alienating what few African Americans and Hispanics he's attracted recently, the convictions on Jan 6 and in the documents cases will be final nails in the coffin of his candidacy.
I don't expect any of the dolts and putzes in the GOP field to actually confront him or try to beat him. He'll do it to himself, something he has been very good at in politics. 2016 was an abberration, helped along by Russian money. WE need to keep a real sharp eye out for chearing big time this time around, but it's not nearly as easy to steal an election as he thinks it is, and which has been proven.
Biden wins by about a 12 million vote margin overall, wins all of the states he won in 2020 and adds North Carolina, Ohio and Iowa to his electoral total.
Lunabell
(7,309 posts)But, corporate media is telling a different story. It's as if they're chosing a side instead of being unbiased journalists or something. (Here's where I should insert that sarcasm thingy, but I don't have it)
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)attention to anything until 2 months before November 2024.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)They're bombarding people with misinformation -- man-in-the-street opinions on the economy and foreign affairs -- and trumper interviews. These are cherry picked to boost traitortrump and denigrate President Biden.
iluvtennis
(21,497 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)A test doesn't just grade the student. If too many students fail the test, both the test and the tester have failed.
The main stream media always seem to pick out the people who know little about politics, politicians, or how government works. Amazing how that happens. When the reporters get back answers that are demonstrably, objectively wrong about reality, it is a reflection of what those people have been taught by the press.
BComplex
(9,914 posts)fascist supporters, democracy haters, etc, they aren't going to do shit. Same for the newspapers. We need to post all the pertinent email and phone numbers, which I don't have yet, and pin them to the top of every forum...or something similarly radical....to get the media to understand that we know exactly what they're doing, and that we're paying serious attention.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Won't work. Until people STOP WATCHING en masse they will carry on.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)ret5hd
(22,502 posts)stop buying ads.
Why do you (generic you, not you personally) think companies like BNSF, Boeing, etc but ads? Are you going to buy a Boeing jet? A rail car?
It is to make sure a particular viewpoint is aired/viewed/discussed. You may report/discuss things from THIS particular set of premises, from different angles and different biases
but do not cross the unspoken lines.
KS Toronado
(23,727 posts)calling them out for ignoring the Fascism that's growing in the reQublican party.
Mariana
(15,626 posts)Turn that shit off, that's the only thing that will get their attention if enough people do it.
PatSeg
(53,214 posts)that the mainstream media is often reaching a small percentage of voters. Not everyone watches cable news or follows politics the way we do. Still it pisses me off that they create controversy and false equivalence to boost their ratings.
is corp owned and run. We all see it.
usonian
(25,324 posts)and may we have similar results as 1964, when it was reason versus "wacko" (or is that Waco?)

AND LET'S ADD SOME MORE STATES TO THE BLUE TALLY!
Background info:
Silicon Valley, for better or worse, leads the way.
https://democraticunderground.com/100218449659
Why Silicon Valley billionaires like Peter Thiel turned against Trump - The Washington Post
Paywalled but archived. https://archive.is/7BefO
Theres such a massive disconnect right now between caucus-goers and primary voters and the people who write the big super PAC checks, said a political adviser to major Silicon Valley donors on the right. We dont care about [transgender] kids going to bathrooms. We care about dismantling the regulatory state.
The deregulation was the hook that grabbed then, but the accompanying intolerance and hate (Dont forget, Peter Thiel has a same-sex marriage) is distinctly un-libertarian. Its entirely fascist cult.
And many will sit this election out, along with their checkbooks.
MyNameIsJonas
(744 posts)I've seen nothing in Biden's polling the last two years to indicate that things will magically change in the next 11 months.
BComplex
(9,914 posts)purple states. That's what I'm worried about. Voter suppression is going to be on steroids this next election.
Nittersing
(8,381 posts)They've had practice now. They know what they need to do differently.
housecat
(3,138 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)NO MORE giving Repubs the benefit of the doubt! They squandered ANY such consideration awhile ago.
MyNameIsJonas
(744 posts)If you take out the cheating, he says he won by a lot.
inthewind21
(4,616 posts)Exactly like what Trump said in 2020 and is still saying.
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,512 posts)Slobby lies about cheating because he needs an excuse for his loss.
Voter suppression legislation is reality.
moonscape
(5,724 posts)bagimin
(1,703 posts)that we even have to give this dickweed a second thought.
Are we a populace like 30's Germany?
mopinko
(73,726 posts)2022 was run w some bad maps. those r getting straightened out, 1 state at a time.
shit they used to b able to keep btn closed doors is out in the open now.
Celerity
(54,408 posts)
We could lose NV (this is the only one of the 5 where this comes into play, and now NH does matter) and sweep the other 4 + NH and win 270-268 IF we also win NE-2.
Lose NV, win the other 4, plus win NH but lose NE-2 and we lose in a nightmare scenario, ie 269-269 tie with the House electing Trump as there is no way, due to gerrymandering (especially in WI, FL, and now NC again) that we can get them under 26 state delegations.

another way to 269-269 is we win EVERYTHING remotely contested (even Maine-2) except for NC, GA, and PA

Sneederbunk
(17,492 posts)CTyankee
(68,202 posts)I joined the anti-war movement when it was assumed we'd never get out of Vietnam. I worked with a group called Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam, later known as CALC. At first, we were considered anti-American, and even my husband at the time thought I was wrong to push it. But I had a 3 year old son at the time and I felt he would be swept up in this continuing war when he was 18 and could be drafted ( which was in effect at the time).
The lesson from all this is never give up, keep pushing with every tool you have to organize and fight back.
twodogsbarking
(18,785 posts)It divided our country .
CTyankee
(68,202 posts)It took a while for us who got organized in our first political fight to be recognized as being RIGHT on the Vietnam War. My then husband had been drafted and was in the Korean War. In those days, the Vietnam War was considered something a necessary war until the anti-war movement got underway and did a LOT of education of the public as to why it was WRONG.
Today, I guess I should feel gratified that we were right and they were wrong. But all I really feel is that it was so, so tragic...
SWBTATTReg
(26,257 posts)They were of the age that they could be drafted, several of them. It wasn't a good time, and I remember the fear. You'll never, ever, forget the fear of being drafted, especially in an unpopular war.
llmart
(17,622 posts)They were all extremely worried. One got drafted but ended up in S. Korea. One joined the Air Force to avoid being regular Army, one took his chances with the draft lottery and hit the jackpot with a high number. My boyfriend of the time got a relatively low number and he got lucky when a slot opened up in the extremely long waiting list to join the National Guard.
It was a very unsettling time and we made many major decisions because of the war.
mahina
(20,645 posts)The SDS was protesting when the guys were getting on the buses. I wanted to lay down in front of the bus with them.
Of course, I didnt tell my father this feeling. It was hard enough for him to say goodbye to us already. He told me when I asked him why he had to go. He said there are little girls like you who dont have anybody to protect them.
I wish they been somebody there to protect him.
KPN
(17,377 posts)immensely. Job number 1: remain positive. We think we can, we think it will be a blowout, we know damn well it'll be a blowout.
Having typed that, you know, I kind of do believe that if we all (by all I mean all Dems and others who want Biden over the fat ass in 24) just keep predicting it'll be a blow out, the media will ultimately follow suit and at least give Biden a leg up over the other guy.
NNadir
(38,049 posts)...could happen.
I think it was an anomaly.
But I do believe it will all turn out well in the end, like Nance said when she checked in.
republianmushroom
(22,326 posts)mountain grammy
(29,035 posts)having to do with America. Not that I was blind or didn't understand our history, but trump?
edbermac
(16,449 posts)They want to give one big Fuck You to Democrats so thats why theyll go for Trump.
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)Heres why.
The mainstream media continues to harp on Bidens age almost every day while giving Trump a pass on his age and obvious mental issues.
The media rarely gives Biden any credit for what his administration has accomplished, instead publishing polls that show how disliked he is and how low approvals are. Most people have no clue about the jobs created or the infrastructure investments. Even Democrat Andy Beshear ran on the Biden accomplishments without ever once mentioning his name.
Inflation is coming down, but food prices, rent, housing, and mortgage interest are still high. Mortgage is likely to drop if the FED cuts interest rates, but predatory pricing for food and rent are unlikely to budge.
Gasoline prices have recently decreased, but Im betting that we will see a cut in oil production by MBS and increased prices from US oil companies next September to try to influence the election for Trump. People usually vote for change when their pocketbooks are affected.
We simply do not know what dirty tricks and attempts to throw put Democratic votes that Republicans will try. As we just saw in Ohio, Republicans cancelled the registrations of 26,000 voters after early voting had started on the abortion amendment and too late for voters to re-register. We can expect a level of cheating that we have never seen in the past, which may or may not be caught or reported by local elections officials.
We cannot take anything for granted.
StarryNite
(12,116 posts)They will resort to any tactics to win. They have no moral compass, no integrity, and democracy means nothing to them. They want power and control at any cost. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.
bluestarone
(22,179 posts)I DO somewhat, but i get shivers sometimes. There is so much at stake this next election. I WILL certainly do everything i can for Joe and Kamala!
progressoid
(53,179 posts)And just as little faith in the media that feeds them.
et tu
(2,387 posts)for the blue waltz down memory lane and the hopeful blue tsunami in 2024~
jaxexpat
(7,794 posts)demmiblue
(39,720 posts)SocialDemocrat61
(7,647 posts)But we have to work to make it happen.
themaguffin
(5,221 posts)RockRaven
(19,375 posts)It's going to be bad, and it's going to have a noxious effect.
LakeArenal
(29,949 posts)I think every day GOP nails their coffin up one more nail per crisis.
Omnipresent
(7,450 posts)They keep placing their bets on deplorable candidates and losing issues, in the hopes that Americans will just blindly reward them at the ballot box.
PortTack
(35,820 posts)The best elections for the gqp are now all in the rear view mirror
peggysue2
(12,533 posts)Doesn't mean it will be a walk in the park (it won't) or that the ugliness we're witnessing in the moment will suddenly drop off. Democrats and the entire Pro-Democracy coalition will have to work their butts off to get the result we want and desperately need. But . . .
Despite all the doom and gloom, polls predicting disaster, the American electorate has come out throughout 2023 boosting and winning elections, voting for Pro-Democracy candidates and positions.
We can't rest on our laurels but we should be cheered by those elections that pundits had already written off and/or ascribed to mere 'hopium' prior to results being called.
We have a path to victory by working together to ensure American rights, the rule of law and our democratic institutions are protected.
The media can and will continue to yammer about Biden's age. We need to ignore the noise, put our heads down and do the work.
We can do this!
BaronChocula
(4,555 posts)Positive messages are as contagious as negative ones. Not only that, trends agree with you. The media drama queens concentrated on Biden's "drag" on Democratic candidates in 2022 and we still prevailed. The balance of elections since then have been in our favor. The Kentucky guv race has been a reliable bellwether of the prez race the following year. In spite of the concentration on polls that have no indication of an election a year off, we're in a good place, mind your caveat that we can't take our foot off the gas. Hear, hear!
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)That's reassuring to hear!
That said, I was a nervous wreck in 2020 right up until the election was finally called for Biden, because even a slim possibility of Trump winning was so scary. This time the idea of a Trump win is flat out terrifying, so I'm sure I'll be a nervous wreck next year as well.
What I will NOT do, however, is give up hope. Democrats giving up hope is exactly what You Know Who wants, and I'll be damned if I'll give that to him.
One thing that's helping my state of mind is the prospect of the DC trial starting in March (and it certainly seems to be on schedule for that). Every eye in this country will be on that trial. That will mean publicity for him, of course, but it won't be good, and no one will see him as a martyr except his brainwashed cultists, who are already a lost cause. My fingers are crossed that once the dirt starts to come out, it will have a significant impact on how Republicans (other than his cultists) and Independents view him.
Mind you, I am not going to hold my breath, but I dont think it's compleely unrealistic to hope for that, at least a little. When I imagine the endless stream of witnesses and evidence Jack Smith is going to present to prove that Trumpster Dumpsterfire did what we all know he did, I can't help but think that it's bound to have an impact on at least some voters.
No, not the cultists, but I strongly doubt that most of the people who are currently telling pollsters they'll vote for Trump are ride or die, brainwashed cultists. I believe the number of dedicated cultists has been dwindling since he left office, and he's going to need votes from a lot of people who aren't hard core cultists to win this time.
I expect a lot of you reading this won't agree with me, and that's okay. I'm just sharing what's in my head, not trying to convince anyone else. Events in 2024 will show whether or not I was barking up the wrong tree in November 2023.
P.S. I absolutely agree about not taking our fot off the gas!
BaronChocula
(4,555 posts)I've heard pollsters (that I trust) say that Dumb Corleone is at his ceiling popularity-wise. That first federal case won't grow gain him any fans and a conviction (fingers crossed) will guarantee loss of independent support.
ShazzieB
(22,590 posts)I hadn't heard the part about him being at hs ceiling in terms of popularity, but it makes sense to me.
This is exactly what I'm hoping for!
Wounded Bear
(64,324 posts)Jarqui
(10,909 posts)I'm not taking my foot off the gas pedal
These MAGA fascists need to be run off the road to continued democracy
Poiuyt
(18,272 posts)who will win the presidency. If Trump is the nominee, Biden will win. If it's someone else, I think Biden will lose (because of how some people view the age thing).
lees1975
(7,046 posts)Women's health choices, a.k.a. the abortion rights issue, will lead to wins for Democratic candidates in senate races in some of the red states where seats are up for grabs.
Frankly, the "age thing" is a media mirage, just like the alleged popularity of RFK jr. I work as a volunteer in my local precinct, and there's been zero interest in his candidacy that I've seen so far. But Trump really knocked himself completely out of contention with his "vermin" speech, and his Nazi talk. That's the first thing, among the indictments and the fraud that he committed that's about to smack him down in court, that actually has multiple media outlets buzzing, and if you're catching the response, it's not going over well. A conviction, on either the documents or the January 6th charges, will be the end of his campaign at any rate, but I am now wondering, after that barrage, if he'll survive to even get as far as the GOP nomination.
Polybius
(21,901 posts)The only Senate seat change that is 99% a given is WV, and that's a loss.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)for precinct committeeman, and another petition for someone running for a state office. Also, Biden's petition. I am gong to the doors of tried and true Democrats in my community. Several people agreed to sign mine and the the other candidate's. They would not sign Biden's. They all know me, because I have been an activist for years. Some of them harangued me about their dislike of Biden.
I don't like this one bit.
Qutzupalotl
(15,824 posts)I'm baffled as to why Democrats would dislike Biden so much.
murielm99
(32,988 posts)Not all of them were low information voters, either.
He is too old. Inflation is killing them. Groceries are too expensive. Yadda yada.
I talk to people where I can. I will be writing some LTTEs and working on this.
AverageOldGuy
(3,835 posts)The talking heads, who have nothing else to do but stir up shit so they can sit and comment on the shit, are all about the latest poll(s), impact of third parties, and the like.
SpankMe
(3,720 posts)1. Republican voter suppression tactics are still in process and the estimated/predicted future impacts are not knowable.
a. Dry runs of Republican-led voter roll purges have provided data points for Nov. 2024 that Republicans are still analyzing.
b. On-site voter intimidation tactics are being planned by Republicans as we speak. On-line recruitment and sign-ups for Republican "polling place observers" nationwide are in process. Many of these "observers" will be armed.
c. As we've seen in the recent decision by Univision to limit Democratic political advertising in battleground states, Republicans are seeing success in coercively limiting our outreach to important parts of the nominal Democratic coalition. This could have the effect of peeling off just enough votes to allow Republican wins in these close states.
2. Republicans are going all-in with disinformation campaigns that are weakening Democratic support among Hispanics and Muslim Americans. Again, Trump took some states by a few 10's of thousands of votes (out of millions cast in a given state) in 2016. Peeling off even a small percent of votes in battleground states will lose the election for us. Example: Trump took Michigan in 2016 by just over 10,000 votes out of 4.5 million votes cast. Michigan has the highest Muslim population of any of the 5 currently recognized swing states. All things being equal, peeling off 10,000 Muslim votes from among the 250k or so Muslims living in Michigan could be accomplished by a few well-placed deceptive ads in the final weeks before the election.
3. The jury is still out on laws passed in some red states that empower their legislatures to flip their electoral votes from Dem to Rep in the event there is "voter fraud" detected in the state. These are little underreported, unexploded grenades that I think we've lost the bubble on.
4. Republicans have gone on a Gerrymandering bender in recent years that may have some impact on the US House, and that absolutely have given them advantages in state houses. This increased redness at the state level will empower them even more to fuck with electors and local voter malfeasance.
I could go on. I have posted here many times that counting chickens before they're hatched is a losing strategy. The belief that Trump couldn't win in 2016 led enough people to stay home out of complacency that allowed the Orange Asshole ® to win.
We must remain diligent and skeptical until the winner is announced next November.
ananda
(35,145 posts)!!!
judesedit
(4,592 posts)🤞🙏👍
Evolve Dammit
(21,777 posts)calimary
(90,021 posts)Which means, WE WORK. Like there's NO TOMORROW! Because if the bad guys get back into the White House in 2025, there won't be any kind of tomorrow many of us can still recognize.
Skittles
(171,716 posts)it's hard to believe who will be running
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,512 posts)Thanks for this post.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)The Biden campaign says the Presidential election will be close.
The two Senate seats we need to hold are in tough States for Democrats.
There are as many vulnerable Democrats in the House as there are Republicans.
Reality sucks. But its where Ill plan my strategies.
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greblach
(294 posts)That is my hope and desire...I will do what I can to make this reality, we have no choice.
ShazamIam
(3,129 posts)media slant to Trump. Remember our national media made him and conservatives control nearly every radio station in the nation.
Aviation Pro
(15,578 posts)The agreement was that Uninovision would not air the President's campaign commercials during Motherfucker's interview so as not to counter the hour long liefest.
H2O Man
(79,052 posts)available to us.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)Even against their own people who may temporarily stray from the true path.
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)Memories are short, so unless the Republicans threaten a shut-down in an election year, they have time to get their shit together and everyone will forget 2023.
What I believe is that we will see a shake-out of stupid Republicans in the primaries as more moderate, reasonable Republicans pound the current ones in the sand. I do not believe that a wave of Republican districts will flip. Dobbs overturned abortion rights in 2022, and Republicans WON the House. Because of extensive gerrymandering, there are not that many purple districts.
A Republican from a Red district who vows with a campaign promise to work with Democrats is a win in my book.
Rizen
(1,081 posts)Never underestimate the sheer stupidity of the average (non)voter. I just hope inflation continues to ease.
Wednesdays
(22,603 posts)kimbutgar
(27,248 posts)spanone
(141,616 posts)
marble falls
(71,926 posts)... and we need to elect a Congress to help him, and elect state legislatures that are not out to gerrymander our votes to meaninglessness.
Silent Type
(12,412 posts)including Congress, and state and local elections. But . . . . . .
Tribetime
(7,145 posts)Our country when drumph is elected. I don't think Biden can win again since independents will decide it and they perceive him as too old
mucifer
(25,667 posts)Axelrods_Typewriter
(298 posts)than Trump.
doc03
(39,086 posts)LudwigPastorius
(14,725 posts)The far right threats to this country and its democratic institutions haven't been this real, moneyed, organized, and powerful in 90 years.
agingdem
(8,849 posts)Trump has "lost" three consecutive elections..he has his base ("base" as in low, vile, deserving of contempt), but his base is stagnant...his daily spew of verbal Nazi vomit is not a vote getter...and the younger voters hate him and the GOP..
Kablooie
(19,107 posts)Trump and his pigs will certainly try to control vote counting in a few critical states again, but this time theyve had practice.
No matter how strong the blue wave is, there are other criminal and ignorant forces that might overpower it in the electoral college.
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)DFW
(60,186 posts)They feel, probably correctly, that they still have the time (and money) to do something about it. Cheating, illegal activity, protests (yeah, sure it was) that benefit one party only, coordination with hostile powers, NONE of these are overstepping the line for the Republicans. They HAVE no lines, just winning and losing.
Forget their phony anti-kommanism. Their role model is StalinThose who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.
IronLionZion
(51,268 posts)let's make it happen