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Aviation Pro

(15,578 posts)
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:02 PM Nov 2023

Anyone else getting that feeling?

That 2024 is going to be a blowout year for Democrats?

I am as I watch Motherfucker's Cult implode.

We can't be complacent, we can't take our foot off the gas pedal, but I honestly believe that Americans, who got caught on the wrong side of history, are waking up out of their fever dreams.

We are flipping the House, we will hold the Senate and possibly increase the numbers.

And President Joe Biden will retake the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2025.

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Anyone else getting that feeling? (Original Post) Aviation Pro Nov 2023 OP
Lil' bit... cilla4progress Nov 2023 #1
They had one of those really terrible, horrible, no good, very bad days yesterday. lees1975 Nov 2023 #82
That's what I think. Lunabell Nov 2023 #2
Main stream media wants a horse race - it really pisses me off. I turn it all off. Won't be paying iluvtennis Nov 2023 #9
m$m is going all-out to create that ad-dollar horse race, starting now Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #65
Exactly. iluvtennis Nov 2023 #85
Lots of teachers in my family ... Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #90
Until we start calling en masse to ALL the networks, and complaining, and calling them BComplex Nov 2023 #17
Nope inthewind21 Nov 2023 #37
Bingo. Think. Again. Nov 2023 #45
Technically, only when the advertisers... ret5hd Nov 2023 #79
Love to see mass protests outside their home offices every day KS Toronado Nov 2023 #71
Calling them en masse won't make any difference. Mariana Nov 2023 #86
Sometimes I have to remind myself PatSeg Nov 2023 #21
MSM DownriverDem Nov 2023 #32
No more pretense about governing. They have gone full nazi/fascist/Goldwater usonian Nov 2023 #3
No. I think 2024 is going to be a very close election. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #4
The election may be very close due to the cheating by the red states, and red counties in BComplex Nov 2023 #20
Exactly this! Nittersing Nov 2023 #23
Yes and Dems are practicing prevention of widespread magat fraud housecat Nov 2023 #47
They better be! calimary Nov 2023 #62
Sounds a lot like what Trump said in 2020. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #27
Sounds inthewind21 Nov 2023 #38
And...? MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #51
Cheating + 3rd party moonscape Nov 2023 #68
And what kind of country do we have bagimin Nov 2023 #96
thx to marc elias, that will b a lot harder this time. mopinko Nov 2023 #100
if Trump claws back AZ & GA & holds NC, we have to sweep NV, WI, MI, PA, & VA (if we sweep all 5 NH doesnt matter) Celerity Nov 2023 #95
Not without a lot of work. Sneederbunk Nov 2023 #5
As an old person, I have some perspective on this. CTyankee Nov 2023 #6
I knew guys that didn't come back. I am glad some did. Like to think protestors helped. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #10
That is tragic for you, for sure. I was beyond rage at what was happening to you and the ones that didn't come back. CTyankee Nov 2023 #19
My brother and fellow neighbors at that time, were also worried about getting drafted. It was a scary time. SWBTATTReg Nov 2023 #34
I had three brothers and a fiance who were of draft age. llmart Nov 2023 #53
I was eight years old when my father's reserves unit got called active duty mahina Nov 2023 #55
Yes ... and no! I'm very conflicted, but appreciate the positive outlook KPN Nov 2023 #7
I agree. I think we're all skittish because none of us believed anything as asinine and as traitorous as Trump... NNadir Nov 2023 #8
Hopefully you are correct, but remember 2016 was supposedly a walk off. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #11
It shattered my faith in just about everything... mountain grammy Nov 2023 #33
No. Never underestimate the power of the stupid. edbermac Nov 2023 #12
No. I think 2024 will be a nail biter. Lonestarblue Nov 2023 #13
Yup, never underestimate them. StarryNite Nov 2023 #26
WOW! i really really want to believe that feeling! bluestarone Nov 2023 #14
Nope. I have little to no faith in the American public at large doing the right thing. progressoid Nov 2023 #15
thank u aviation pro and Ctyankee et tu Nov 2023 #16
To me, it sounds like a perfect mantra for our times. jaxexpat Nov 2023 #18
No, but I hope I am wrong. n/t demmiblue Nov 2023 #22
We can hope SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #24
The House, absolutely. The Senate is a HARD map in 24 though the GOP's craziness may help us. themaguffin Nov 2023 #25
No. The misinformation and media manipulation isn't even warmed up yet. RockRaven Nov 2023 #28
I believe we will win. Everything. LakeArenal Nov 2023 #29
Republicans are just gambling now. Omnipresent Nov 2023 #30
Considering the Dems continue to over perform in elections- '22 midterms and beyond...yes PortTack Nov 2023 #31
This! peggysue2 Nov 2023 #39
Thanks for the positive message. MORE MORE MORE! BaronChocula Nov 2023 #35
I did not know that about the KY governor's race. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #66
I'm with you BaronChocula Nov 2023 #69
Yes, ShazzieB Nov 2023 #70
Your keyboard to god's monitor...nt Wounded Bear Nov 2023 #36
Hope you are right but Jarqui Nov 2023 #40
Right now, I see us retaking the House, losing the Senate, and it depends Poiuyt Nov 2023 #41
I think we will pick up more Senate seats than we think. lees1975 Nov 2023 #75
Where are we picking up? Polybius Nov 2023 #93
I have been circulating my petition, murielm99 Nov 2023 #42
Sorry to hear they harangued you. What did they say? Qutzupalotl Nov 2023 #56
I am baffled, too. murielm99 Nov 2023 #92
I'm on your side . . . but . . . AverageOldGuy Nov 2023 #43
No. Absolutely not. SpankMe Nov 2023 #44
Yes, as long as we work hard and GET OUT THE VOTE !!! ananda Nov 2023 #46
From your text to God's ears judesedit Nov 2023 #48
Never underestimate the stupidity of the American electorate. n/t Evolve Dammit Nov 2023 #49
Shouldn't have to be that way, but it is. calimary Nov 2023 #91
no Skittles Nov 2023 #50
Agree. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #52
You asked, so I'll answer: no brooklynite Nov 2023 #54
This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Nov 2023 #57
Agreed! greblach Nov 2023 #58
I was feeling that way then this morning I read about Univision going full Trump, that along with the already U.S. ShazamIam Nov 2023 #59
That report was confusing and sensational Aviation Pro Nov 2023 #60
It is one option H2O Man Nov 2023 #61
Jan6 showed that Trump's cult is not afraid to commit violence and intimidation. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #63
Not convinced at all. qwlauren35 Nov 2023 #64
I'm terrified of Trump getting elected. Rizen Nov 2023 #67
It's very possible, but we all must work hard to get it. Wednesdays Nov 2023 #72
F yeah! kimbutgar Nov 2023 #73
...K&R... spanone Nov 2023 #74
Yes. But we need to turn out the vote as much as we can. We will re-elect Joe Biden ... marble falls Nov 2023 #76
Wonder how many were equally confident in 2016? In a sane world, Dems would sweep everything in 2024, Silent Type Nov 2023 #77
Im getting opposite feeling that this will end Tribetime Nov 2023 #78
Yeah I feel the sense of doom in the air. Between the election and climate change mucifer Nov 2023 #81
I heard on Keith Olbermann that of the people who percieve them both as too old, more them would vote for Biden Axelrods_Typewriter Nov 2023 #87
No I am having a feeling of dread, same as 2016 nt doc03 Nov 2023 #80
I don't whistle when I walk past a graveyard. LudwigPastorius Nov 2023 #83
Yes..and not even close... agingdem Nov 2023 #84
The electoral college doesn't let me trust that feeling. Kablooie Nov 2023 #88
If it wasn't for these 3rd party assholes I would feel a little better nt GuppyGal Nov 2023 #89
AT THIS TIME, the Republicans probably feel the same way. BUT: DFW Nov 2023 #94
I wouldn't celebrate too early IronLionZion Nov 2023 #97
I hope that this is it! Bluethroughu Nov 2023 #98
GOD I hope so! yobrault1 Nov 2023 #99

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
82. They had one of those really terrible, horrible, no good, very bad days yesterday.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:52 PM
Nov 2023

I'm waiting for a good floor fight between a couple of GOP congressmen.

I think the OP is exactly on target. The media is trying to keep the Trumpie noise alive because it helps their ratings, but after his nice vermin remarks, and several other recent speeches that they are promiting, inadvertently alienating what few African Americans and Hispanics he's attracted recently, the convictions on Jan 6 and in the documents cases will be final nails in the coffin of his candidacy.

I don't expect any of the dolts and putzes in the GOP field to actually confront him or try to beat him. He'll do it to himself, something he has been very good at in politics. 2016 was an abberration, helped along by Russian money. WE need to keep a real sharp eye out for chearing big time this time around, but it's not nearly as easy to steal an election as he thinks it is, and which has been proven.

Biden wins by about a 12 million vote margin overall, wins all of the states he won in 2020 and adds North Carolina, Ohio and Iowa to his electoral total.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
2. That's what I think.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:07 PM
Nov 2023

But, corporate media is telling a different story. It's as if they're chosing a side instead of being unbiased journalists or something. (Here's where I should insert that sarcasm thingy, but I don't have it)

iluvtennis

(21,497 posts)
9. Main stream media wants a horse race - it really pisses me off. I turn it all off. Won't be paying
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:25 PM
Nov 2023

attention to anything until 2 months before November 2024.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
65. m$m is going all-out to create that ad-dollar horse race, starting now
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 07:36 PM
Nov 2023

They're bombarding people with misinformation -- man-in-the-street opinions on the economy and foreign affairs -- and trumper interviews. These are cherry picked to boost traitortrump and denigrate President Biden.

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
90. Lots of teachers in my family ...
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:40 AM
Nov 2023

A test doesn't just grade the student. If too many students fail the test, both the test and the tester have failed.

The main stream media always seem to pick out the people who know little about politics, politicians, or how government works. Amazing how that happens. When the reporters get back answers that are demonstrably, objectively wrong about reality, it is a reflection of what those people have been taught by the press.

BComplex

(9,914 posts)
17. Until we start calling en masse to ALL the networks, and complaining, and calling them
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:38 PM
Nov 2023

fascist supporters, democracy haters, etc, they aren't going to do shit. Same for the newspapers. We need to post all the pertinent email and phone numbers, which I don't have yet, and pin them to the top of every forum...or something similarly radical....to get the media to understand that we know exactly what they're doing, and that we're paying serious attention.

ret5hd

(22,502 posts)
79. Technically, only when the advertisers...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:47 PM
Nov 2023

stop buying ads.

Why do you (generic you, not you personally) think companies like BNSF, Boeing, etc but ads? Are you going to buy a Boeing jet? A rail car?

It is to make sure a particular viewpoint is aired/viewed/discussed. You may report/discuss things from THIS particular set of premises, from different angles and different biases…but do not cross the unspoken lines.

KS Toronado

(23,727 posts)
71. Love to see mass protests outside their home offices every day
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:27 PM
Nov 2023

calling them out for ignoring the Fascism that's growing in the reQublican party.

Mariana

(15,626 posts)
86. Calling them en masse won't make any difference.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:19 AM
Nov 2023

Turn that shit off, that's the only thing that will get their attention if enough people do it.

PatSeg

(53,214 posts)
21. Sometimes I have to remind myself
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:40 PM
Nov 2023

that the mainstream media is often reaching a small percentage of voters. Not everyone watches cable news or follows politics the way we do. Still it pisses me off that they create controversy and false equivalence to boost their ratings.

usonian

(25,324 posts)
3. No more pretense about governing. They have gone full nazi/fascist/Goldwater
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:07 PM
Nov 2023

and may we have similar results as 1964, when it was reason versus "wacko" (or is that Waco?)



AND LET'S ADD SOME MORE STATES TO THE BLUE TALLY!

Background info:
Silicon Valley, for better or worse, leads the way.
https://democraticunderground.com/100218449659

Why Silicon Valley billionaires like Peter Thiel turned against Trump - The Washington Post

Paywalled but archived. https://archive.is/7BefO

The ambivalence among tech leaders goes well beyond a distaste for the former president, who was scorned by several high-profile tech-world supporters in the aftermath of the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol. Although the tech elite often have criticized the left and “wokeness,” some now say the GOP has overemphasized divisive social issues such as transgender rights and abortion at the expense of the tech titans’ primary political goal: radical deregulation.



“There’s such a massive disconnect right now between caucus-goers and primary voters and the people who write the big super PAC checks,” said a political adviser to major Silicon Valley donors on the right. “We don’t care about [transgender] kids going to bathrooms. We care about dismantling the regulatory state.”


The deregulation was the hook that grabbed then, but the accompanying intolerance and hate (Don’t forget, Peter Thiel has a same-sex marriage) is distinctly un-libertarian. It’s entirely fascist cult.

And many will sit this election out, along with their checkbooks.
 

MyNameIsJonas

(744 posts)
4. No. I think 2024 is going to be a very close election.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:12 PM
Nov 2023

I've seen nothing in Biden's polling the last two years to indicate that things will magically change in the next 11 months.

BComplex

(9,914 posts)
20. The election may be very close due to the cheating by the red states, and red counties in
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:40 PM
Nov 2023

purple states. That's what I'm worried about. Voter suppression is going to be on steroids this next election.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
62. They better be!
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 06:52 PM
Nov 2023

NO MORE giving Repubs the benefit of the doubt! They squandered ANY such consideration awhile ago.

 

MyNameIsJonas

(744 posts)
27. Sounds a lot like what Trump said in 2020.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:05 PM
Nov 2023

If you take out the cheating, he says he won by a lot.

MorbidButterflyTat

(4,512 posts)
51. And...?
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:10 PM
Nov 2023

Slobby lies about cheating because he needs an excuse for his loss.

Voter suppression legislation is reality.

bagimin

(1,703 posts)
96. And what kind of country do we have
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:09 AM
Nov 2023

that we even have to give this dickweed a second thought.
Are we a populace like 30's Germany?

mopinko

(73,726 posts)
100. thx to marc elias, that will b a lot harder this time.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:52 PM
Nov 2023

2022 was run w some bad maps. those r getting straightened out, 1 state at a time.
shit they used to b able to keep btn closed doors is out in the open now.

Celerity

(54,408 posts)
95. if Trump claws back AZ & GA & holds NC, we have to sweep NV, WI, MI, PA, & VA (if we sweep all 5 NH doesnt matter)
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:20 AM
Nov 2023


We could lose NV (this is the only one of the 5 where this comes into play, and now NH does matter) and sweep the other 4 + NH and win 270-268 IF we also win NE-2.

Lose NV, win the other 4, plus win NH but lose NE-2 and we lose in a nightmare scenario, ie 269-269 tie with the House electing Trump as there is no way, due to gerrymandering (especially in WI, FL, and now NC again) that we can get them under 26 state delegations.



another way to 269-269 is we win EVERYTHING remotely contested (even Maine-2) except for NC, GA, and PA



CTyankee

(68,202 posts)
6. As an old person, I have some perspective on this.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:21 PM
Nov 2023

I joined the anti-war movement when it was assumed we'd never get out of Vietnam. I worked with a group called Clergy and Laity Concerned About Vietnam, later known as CALC. At first, we were considered anti-American, and even my husband at the time thought I was wrong to push it. But I had a 3 year old son at the time and I felt he would be swept up in this continuing war when he was 18 and could be drafted ( which was in effect at the time).

The lesson from all this is never give up, keep pushing with every tool you have to organize and fight back.

twodogsbarking

(18,785 posts)
10. I knew guys that didn't come back. I am glad some did. Like to think protestors helped.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:28 PM
Nov 2023

It divided our country .

CTyankee

(68,202 posts)
19. That is tragic for you, for sure. I was beyond rage at what was happening to you and the ones that didn't come back.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:40 PM
Nov 2023

It took a while for us who got organized in our first political fight to be recognized as being RIGHT on the Vietnam War. My then husband had been drafted and was in the Korean War. In those days, the Vietnam War was considered something a necessary war until the anti-war movement got underway and did a LOT of education of the public as to why it was WRONG.

Today, I guess I should feel gratified that we were right and they were wrong. But all I really feel is that it was so, so tragic...

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
34. My brother and fellow neighbors at that time, were also worried about getting drafted. It was a scary time.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:30 PM
Nov 2023

They were of the age that they could be drafted, several of them. It wasn't a good time, and I remember the fear. You'll never, ever, forget the fear of being drafted, especially in an unpopular war.

llmart

(17,622 posts)
53. I had three brothers and a fiance who were of draft age.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:17 PM
Nov 2023

They were all extremely worried. One got drafted but ended up in S. Korea. One joined the Air Force to avoid being regular Army, one took his chances with the draft lottery and hit the jackpot with a high number. My boyfriend of the time got a relatively low number and he got lucky when a slot opened up in the extremely long waiting list to join the National Guard.

It was a very unsettling time and we made many major decisions because of the war.

mahina

(20,645 posts)
55. I was eight years old when my father's reserves unit got called active duty
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:22 PM
Nov 2023

The SDS was protesting when the guys were getting on the buses. I wanted to lay down in front of the bus with them.
Of course, I didn’t tell my father this feeling. It was hard enough for him to say goodbye to us already. He told me when I asked him why he had to go. He said “there are little girls like you who don’t have anybody to protect them.”
I wish they been somebody there to protect him.

KPN

(17,377 posts)
7. Yes ... and no! I'm very conflicted, but appreciate the positive outlook
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:17 PM
Nov 2023

immensely. Job number 1: remain positive. We think we can, we think it will be a blowout, we know damn well it'll be a blowout.

Having typed that, you know, I kind of do believe that if we all (by all I mean all Dems and others who want Biden over the fat ass in 24) just keep predicting it'll be a blow out, the media will ultimately follow suit and at least give Biden a leg up over the other guy.

NNadir

(38,049 posts)
8. I agree. I think we're all skittish because none of us believed anything as asinine and as traitorous as Trump...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:19 PM
Nov 2023

...could happen.

I think it was an anomaly.

But I do believe it will all turn out well in the end, like Nance said when she checked in.

mountain grammy

(29,035 posts)
33. It shattered my faith in just about everything...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:22 PM
Nov 2023

having to do with America. Not that I was blind or didn't understand our history, but trump?

edbermac

(16,449 posts)
12. No. Never underestimate the power of the stupid.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:30 PM
Nov 2023

They want to give one big Fuck You to Democrats so that’s why they’ll go for Trump.

Lonestarblue

(13,480 posts)
13. No. I think 2024 will be a nail biter.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:31 PM
Nov 2023

Here’s why.

—The mainstream media continues to harp on Biden’s age almost every day while giving Trump a pass on his age and obvious mental issues.
—The media rarely gives Biden any credit for what his administration has accomplished, instead publishing polls that show how disliked he is and how low approvals are. Most people have no clue about the jobs created or the infrastructure investments. Even Democrat Andy Beshear ran on the Biden accomplishments without ever once mentioning his name.
—Inflation is coming down, but food prices, rent, housing, and mortgage interest are still high. Mortgage is likely to drop if the FED cuts interest rates, but predatory pricing for food and rent are unlikely to budge.
—Gasoline prices have recently decreased, but I’m betting that we will see a cut in oil production by MBS and increased prices from US oil companies next September to try to influence the election for Trump. People usually vote for change when their pocketbooks are affected.
—We simply do not know what dirty tricks and attempts to throw put Democratic votes that Republicans will try. As we just saw in Ohio, Republicans cancelled the registrations of 26,000 voters after early voting had started on the abortion amendment and too late for voters to re-register. We can expect a level of cheating that we have never seen in the past, which may or may not be caught or reported by local elections officials.

We cannot take anything for granted.

StarryNite

(12,116 posts)
26. Yup, never underestimate them.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:57 PM
Nov 2023

They will resort to any tactics to win. They have no moral compass, no integrity, and democracy means nothing to them. They want power and control at any cost. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

bluestarone

(22,179 posts)
14. WOW! i really really want to believe that feeling!
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:31 PM
Nov 2023

I DO somewhat, but i get shivers sometimes. There is so much at stake this next election. I WILL certainly do everything i can for Joe and Kamala!

progressoid

(53,179 posts)
15. Nope. I have little to no faith in the American public at large doing the right thing.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:33 PM
Nov 2023

And just as little faith in the media that feeds them.

et tu

(2,387 posts)
16. thank u aviation pro and Ctyankee
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 02:38 PM
Nov 2023

for the blue waltz down memory lane and the hopeful blue tsunami in 2024~

RockRaven

(19,375 posts)
28. No. The misinformation and media manipulation isn't even warmed up yet.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:05 PM
Nov 2023

It's going to be bad, and it's going to have a noxious effect.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
29. I believe we will win. Everything.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:08 PM
Nov 2023

I think every day GOP nails their coffin up one more nail per crisis.

Omnipresent

(7,450 posts)
30. Republicans are just gambling now.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:08 PM
Nov 2023

They keep placing their bets on deplorable candidates and losing issues, in the hopes that Americans will just blindly reward them at the ballot box.

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
31. Considering the Dems continue to over perform in elections- '22 midterms and beyond...yes
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:11 PM
Nov 2023

The best elections for the gqp are now all in the rear view mirror

peggysue2

(12,533 posts)
39. This!
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:46 PM
Nov 2023

Doesn't mean it will be a walk in the park (it won't) or that the ugliness we're witnessing in the moment will suddenly drop off. Democrats and the entire Pro-Democracy coalition will have to work their butts off to get the result we want and desperately need. But . . .

Despite all the doom and gloom, polls predicting disaster, the American electorate has come out throughout 2023 boosting and winning elections, voting for Pro-Democracy candidates and positions.

We can't rest on our laurels but we should be cheered by those elections that pundits had already written off and/or ascribed to mere 'hopium' prior to results being called.

We have a path to victory by working together to ensure American rights, the rule of law and our democratic institutions are protected.

The media can and will continue to yammer about Biden's age. We need to ignore the noise, put our heads down and do the work.

We can do this!

BaronChocula

(4,555 posts)
35. Thanks for the positive message. MORE MORE MORE!
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:31 PM
Nov 2023

Positive messages are as contagious as negative ones. Not only that, trends agree with you. The media drama queens concentrated on Biden's "drag" on Democratic candidates in 2022 and we still prevailed. The balance of elections since then have been in our favor. The Kentucky guv race has been a reliable bellwether of the prez race the following year. In spite of the concentration on polls that have no indication of an election a year off, we're in a good place, mind your caveat that we can't take our foot off the gas. Hear, hear!

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
66. I did not know that about the KY governor's race.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:27 PM
Nov 2023

That's reassuring to hear!

That said, I was a nervous wreck in 2020 right up until the election was finally called for Biden, because even a slim possibility of Trump winning was so scary. This time the idea of a Trump win is flat out terrifying, so I'm sure I'll be a nervous wreck next year as well.

What I will NOT do, however, is give up hope. Democrats giving up hope is exactly what You Know Who wants, and I'll be damned if I'll give that to him.

One thing that's helping my state of mind is the prospect of the DC trial starting in March (and it certainly seems to be on schedule for that). Every eye in this country will be on that trial. That will mean publicity for him, of course, but it won't be good, and no one will see him as a martyr except his brainwashed cultists, who are already a lost cause. My fingers are crossed that once the dirt starts to come out, it will have a significant impact on how Republicans (other than his cultists) and Independents view him.

Mind you, I am not going to hold my breath, but I don’t think it's compleely unrealistic to hope for that, at least a little. When I imagine the endless stream of witnesses and evidence Jack Smith is going to present to prove that Trumpster Dumpsterfire did what we all know he did, I can't help but think that it's bound to have an impact on at least some voters.

No, not the cultists, but I strongly doubt that most of the people who are currently telling pollsters they'll vote for Trump are ride or die, brainwashed cultists. I believe the number of dedicated cultists has been dwindling since he left office, and he's going to need votes from a lot of people who aren't hard core cultists to win this time.

I expect a lot of you reading this won't agree with me, and that's okay. I'm just sharing what's in my head, not trying to convince anyone else. Events in 2024 will show whether or not I was barking up the wrong tree in November 2023.

P.S. I absolutely agree about not taking our fot off the gas!

BaronChocula

(4,555 posts)
69. I'm with you
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:27 PM
Nov 2023

I've heard pollsters (that I trust) say that Dumb Corleone is at his ceiling popularity-wise. That first federal case won't grow gain him any fans and a conviction (fingers crossed) will guarantee loss of independent support.

ShazzieB

(22,590 posts)
70. Yes,
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:32 PM
Nov 2023

I hadn't heard the part about him being at hs ceiling in terms of popularity, but it makes sense to me.

That first federal case won't grow gain him any fans and a conviction (fingers crossed) will guarantee loss of independent support.

This is exactly what I'm hoping for!

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
40. Hope you are right but
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:48 PM
Nov 2023

I'm not taking my foot off the gas pedal

These MAGA fascists need to be run off the road to continued democracy

Poiuyt

(18,272 posts)
41. Right now, I see us retaking the House, losing the Senate, and it depends
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:48 PM
Nov 2023

who will win the presidency. If Trump is the nominee, Biden will win. If it's someone else, I think Biden will lose (because of how some people view the age thing).

lees1975

(7,046 posts)
75. I think we will pick up more Senate seats than we think.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:38 PM
Nov 2023

Women's health choices, a.k.a. the abortion rights issue, will lead to wins for Democratic candidates in senate races in some of the red states where seats are up for grabs.

Frankly, the "age thing" is a media mirage, just like the alleged popularity of RFK jr. I work as a volunteer in my local precinct, and there's been zero interest in his candidacy that I've seen so far. But Trump really knocked himself completely out of contention with his "vermin" speech, and his Nazi talk. That's the first thing, among the indictments and the fraud that he committed that's about to smack him down in court, that actually has multiple media outlets buzzing, and if you're catching the response, it's not going over well. A conviction, on either the documents or the January 6th charges, will be the end of his campaign at any rate, but I am now wondering, after that barrage, if he'll survive to even get as far as the GOP nomination.

Polybius

(21,901 posts)
93. Where are we picking up?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:16 AM
Nov 2023

The only Senate seat change that is 99% a given is WV, and that's a loss.

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
42. I have been circulating my petition,
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:49 PM
Nov 2023

for precinct committeeman, and another petition for someone running for a state office. Also, Biden's petition. I am gong to the doors of tried and true Democrats in my community. Several people agreed to sign mine and the the other candidate's. They would not sign Biden's. They all know me, because I have been an activist for years. Some of them harangued me about their dislike of Biden.

I don't like this one bit.

Qutzupalotl

(15,824 posts)
56. Sorry to hear they harangued you. What did they say?
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:51 PM
Nov 2023

I'm baffled as to why Democrats would dislike Biden so much.

murielm99

(32,988 posts)
92. I am baffled, too.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:02 AM
Nov 2023

Not all of them were low information voters, either.

He is too old. Inflation is killing them. Groceries are too expensive. Yadda yada.

I talk to people where I can. I will be writing some LTTEs and working on this.

AverageOldGuy

(3,835 posts)
43. I'm on your side . . . but . . .
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:54 PM
Nov 2023

The talking heads, who have nothing else to do but stir up shit so they can sit and comment on the shit, are all about the latest poll(s), impact of third parties, and the like.

SpankMe

(3,720 posts)
44. No. Absolutely not.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:55 PM
Nov 2023

1. Republican voter suppression tactics are still in process and the estimated/predicted future impacts are not knowable.
a. Dry runs of Republican-led voter roll purges have provided data points for Nov. 2024 that Republicans are still analyzing.
b. On-site voter intimidation tactics are being planned by Republicans as we speak. On-line recruitment and sign-ups for Republican "polling place observers" nationwide are in process. Many of these "observers" will be armed.
c. As we've seen in the recent decision by Univision to limit Democratic political advertising in battleground states, Republicans are seeing success in coercively limiting our outreach to important parts of the nominal Democratic coalition. This could have the effect of peeling off just enough votes to allow Republican wins in these close states.

2. Republicans are going all-in with disinformation campaigns that are weakening Democratic support among Hispanics and Muslim Americans. Again, Trump took some states by a few 10's of thousands of votes (out of millions cast in a given state) in 2016. Peeling off even a small percent of votes in battleground states will lose the election for us. Example: Trump took Michigan in 2016 by just over 10,000 votes out of 4.5 million votes cast. Michigan has the highest Muslim population of any of the 5 currently recognized swing states. All things being equal, peeling off 10,000 Muslim votes from among the 250k or so Muslims living in Michigan could be accomplished by a few well-placed deceptive ads in the final weeks before the election.

3. The jury is still out on laws passed in some red states that empower their legislatures to flip their electoral votes from Dem to Rep in the event there is "voter fraud" detected in the state. These are little underreported, unexploded grenades that I think we've lost the bubble on.

4. Republicans have gone on a Gerrymandering bender in recent years that may have some impact on the US House, and that absolutely have given them advantages in state houses. This increased redness at the state level will empower them even more to fuck with electors and local voter malfeasance.

I could go on. I have posted here many times that counting chickens before they're hatched is a losing strategy. The belief that Trump couldn't win in 2016 led enough people to stay home out of complacency that allowed the Orange Asshole ® to win.

We must remain diligent and skeptical until the winner is announced next November.

calimary

(90,021 posts)
91. Shouldn't have to be that way, but it is.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:44 AM
Nov 2023

Which means, WE WORK. Like there's NO TOMORROW! Because if the bad guys get back into the White House in 2025, there won't be any kind of tomorrow many of us can still recognize.

 

brooklynite

(96,882 posts)
54. You asked, so I'll answer: no
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 05:22 PM
Nov 2023

The Biden campaign says the Presidential election will be close.

The two Senate seats we need to hold are in tough States for Democrats.

There are as many vulnerable Democrats in the House as there are Republicans.

Reality sucks. But it’s where I’ll plan my strategies.

Response to Aviation Pro (Original post)

greblach

(294 posts)
58. Agreed!
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 06:21 PM
Nov 2023

That is my hope and desire...I will do what I can to make this reality, we have no choice.

ShazamIam

(3,129 posts)
59. I was feeling that way then this morning I read about Univision going full Trump, that along with the already U.S.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 06:22 PM
Nov 2023

media slant to Trump. Remember our national media made him and conservatives control nearly every radio station in the nation.

Aviation Pro

(15,578 posts)
60. That report was confusing and sensational
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 06:33 PM
Nov 2023

The agreement was that Uninovision would not air the President's campaign commercials during Motherfucker's interview so as not to counter the hour long liefest.

keithbvadu2

(40,915 posts)
63. Jan6 showed that Trump's cult is not afraid to commit violence and intimidation.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 07:19 PM
Nov 2023

Even against their own people who may temporarily stray from the true path.

qwlauren35

(6,309 posts)
64. Not convinced at all.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 07:22 PM
Nov 2023

Memories are short, so unless the Republicans threaten a shut-down in an election year, they have time to get their shit together and everyone will forget 2023.

What I believe is that we will see a shake-out of stupid Republicans in the primaries as more moderate, reasonable Republicans pound the current ones in the sand. I do not believe that a wave of Republican districts will flip. Dobbs overturned abortion rights in 2022, and Republicans WON the House. Because of extensive gerrymandering, there are not that many purple districts.

A Republican from a Red district who vows with a campaign promise to work with Democrats is a win in my book.

Rizen

(1,081 posts)
67. I'm terrified of Trump getting elected.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:30 PM
Nov 2023

Never underestimate the sheer stupidity of the average (non)voter. I just hope inflation continues to ease.

marble falls

(71,926 posts)
76. Yes. But we need to turn out the vote as much as we can. We will re-elect Joe Biden ...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:43 PM
Nov 2023

... and we need to elect a Congress to help him, and elect state legislatures that are not out to gerrymander our votes to meaninglessness.

 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
77. Wonder how many were equally confident in 2016? In a sane world, Dems would sweep everything in 2024,
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:44 PM
Nov 2023

including Congress, and state and local elections. But . . . . . .

Tribetime

(7,145 posts)
78. Im getting opposite feeling that this will end
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:46 PM
Nov 2023

Our country when drumph is elected. I don't think Biden can win again since independents will decide it and they perceive him as too old

87. I heard on Keith Olbermann that of the people who percieve them both as too old, more them would vote for Biden
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:29 AM
Nov 2023

than Trump.

LudwigPastorius

(14,725 posts)
83. I don't whistle when I walk past a graveyard.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:54 PM
Nov 2023

The far right threats to this country and its democratic institutions haven't been this real, moneyed, organized, and powerful in 90 years.

agingdem

(8,849 posts)
84. Yes..and not even close...
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:59 PM
Nov 2023

Trump has "lost" three consecutive elections..he has his base ("base" as in low, vile, deserving of contempt), but his base is stagnant...his daily spew of verbal Nazi vomit is not a vote getter...and the younger voters hate him and the GOP..

Kablooie

(19,107 posts)
88. The electoral college doesn't let me trust that feeling.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:16 AM
Nov 2023

Trump and his pigs will certainly try to control vote counting in a few critical states again, but this time they’ve had practice.
No matter how strong the blue wave is, there are other criminal and ignorant forces that might overpower it in the electoral college.

DFW

(60,186 posts)
94. AT THIS TIME, the Republicans probably feel the same way. BUT:
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:22 AM
Nov 2023

They feel, probably correctly, that they still have the time (and money) to do something about it. Cheating, illegal activity, “protests (yeah, sure it was) “ that benefit one party only, coordination with hostile powers, NONE of these are overstepping the line for the Republicans. They HAVE no lines, just winning and losing.

Forget their phony “anti-kommanism.” Their role model is Stalin—“Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything.”

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