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RainWalker

(605 posts)
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:06 AM Nov 2023

An unbelievable comment from Netanyahu's spokesperson

This is rather surprising and what I'd consider to be illustrative why support for Israel has dropped so much. It's like watching the W administration defend their actions after we invaded Iraq.


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An unbelievable comment from Netanyahu's spokesperson (Original Post) RainWalker Nov 2023 OP
And Hamas Spokespersons Say Hamas Killed No Civilians On October 7th The Magistrate Nov 2023 #1
What's to clarify? RainWalker Nov 2023 #2
What Is The Topic, Ma'am The Magistrate Nov 2023 #4
So should we conclude the Israeli government and Hamas are as bad as each other? muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #6
The topic is RainWalker Nov 2023 #7
You Have Opened A Discussion Of Oficial Mendacity The Magistrate Nov 2023 #9
If it's this guy, then he's an advisor, not a spokesman. lapucelle Nov 2023 #99
Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #71
I Think I Rate A More Creative Insult Than That, Don't You? The Magistrate Nov 2023 #72
You do, sir. Respectfully, you are wrong. The two issues are independent and not the same or equal ... marble falls Nov 2023 #78
I Quarrel With 'Criminal' Here The Magistrate Nov 2023 #85
An opinion that is entirely one sided. ... marble falls Nov 2023 #94
No Side Whatever Was Taken The Magistrate Nov 2023 #96
+1 Omnipresent Nov 2023 #11
Isn't Hamas a pretty low bar? Army Brat Nov 2023 #59
Certainly Is The Magistrate Nov 2023 #61
+1. According to Hamas, all dead Hamas soldiers were civilians, and all dead Israeli civilians were soldiers. dalton99a Nov 2023 #86
Gaslight Hall of Fame Prairie Gates Nov 2023 #3
More Like 'Examples From Scrubs On A Middle-School Debate Team', Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #8
Eff the war criminals malaise Nov 2023 #5
Former Israeli Ambassador says AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #10
Mehdi said he's Netanyahu's adviser RainWalker Nov 2023 #13
Mehdi also says 2100 and 2400 are the same - so maybe not the best source for accuracy. AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #16
Ok RainWalker Nov 2023 #22
Don't see spokesman there either AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #27
You know who else says he's Netanyahu's senior adviser? Regev. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #23
Or there... AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #29
An adviser is more important than a spokesperson. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #31
Because words have meanings AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #35
It's not disingenuous - Regev speaks for the Netanyahu government muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #47
Are you saying that the Israeli government made an official announcement that no civilians have been killed? yardwork Nov 2023 #53
They said it's a comment from Netanyahu's spokesperson muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #60
You Have Settled That, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #66
Ironic inthewind21 Nov 2023 #64
Trying to say something? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #65
+1 n/t TubbersUK Nov 2023 #79
Wait, wait, wait. YOUR subject line says "Netanyahu's spokesperson." yardwork Nov 2023 #17
I'm not The Magistrate, but thanks! AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #19
I know, I was responding to the OP! yardwork Nov 2023 #24
I Did Not Say He Was Not An Official Spokescritter The Magistrate Nov 2023 #38
Sir, I stand corrected. yardwork Nov 2023 #45
I Agree The Magistrate Nov 2023 #49
So irrelevant. It's a war. Gaza has lost and needs to offer terms of surrender. That's how war works. elias7 Nov 2023 #12
Your last sentence RainWalker Nov 2023 #15
And you know he's NOT a spokesperson for anybody but himself. yardwork Nov 2023 #18
War when one side is a terrorist group rather than a nation's military treestar Nov 2023 #28
What he means, is that he doesn't know if they were burned to death, crushed in their homes, or vaporized in explosions. Chainfire Nov 2023 #14
He doesn't know squat because he's not an official spokesman. yardwork Nov 2023 #20
So logically from that POV treestar Nov 2023 #21
That's what I thought as well RainWalker Nov 2023 #25
As you've been informed, this is NOT an official spokesman for Israel. yardwork Nov 2023 #26
Regev is the senior advisor to the PM of Israel. OneBlueDotS-Carolina Nov 2023 #32
Senior advisor is not the same as official spokesperson. yardwork Nov 2023 #33
I disagree, Markie has been doing this for years... OneBlueDotS-Carolina Nov 2023 #95
We probably don't disagree. yardwork Nov 2023 #98
RainWalker - to expect an actual discussion here anymore is sort of self defeating. But thanks for trying. Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #30
Sadly I believe you're correct RainWalker Nov 2023 #34
Did you just "All Lives Matter"? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #39
Why do Gaza deaths not count? Why do Palestinian deaths count less or not at all? obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #67
Who said Gaza deaths don't count? AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #70
I pick a side opposite a death-cult SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #40
The only side I pick is humanity RainWalker Nov 2023 #51
That's good sentiment SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #52
It does RainWalker Nov 2023 #58
Yes, you made that clear during your previous incarnation here. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #88
Previous incarnation? RainWalker Nov 2023 #93
It's been a bad couple days, hasn't it? yardwork Nov 2023 #48
This is a difficult situation and everyone has an emotional reaction. Unfortunately those who Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #74
great post FHRRK Nov 2023 #89
If only we had a place here for discussion without the endless hordes of dismissive sound bites. Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #91
I will agree Deuxcents Nov 2023 #46
+1000 roamer65 Nov 2023 #75
I don't get the Iraq comparison SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #36
That poster has referenced this before. yardwork Nov 2023 #41
I'll try to explain RainWalker Nov 2023 #43
Again I'll agree to disagree SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #44
That's fine RainWalker Nov 2023 #54
Ok but too much can clog your arteries. SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #55
Well I am a bit lactose intolerant RainWalker Nov 2023 #57
It didn't happen quite that way. yardwork Nov 2023 #50
Well Netenyahu is hardcore racist and his government is full of maniacs. David__77 Nov 2023 #37
So Hamas thought "this is a great time to attack SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #42
Remember RainWalker Nov 2023 #56
I dunno they've managed to dupe a lot of people in the West AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #62
I think they thought it was a good time to attack Mossfern Nov 2023 #63
Yes, because an unprovoked attack should always be done at the right time SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #73
At a weak time Mossfern Nov 2023 #81
Hey Rain... The Pickers Of Nit Are Strong This Morning AndyJaque Nov 2023 #68
Hey thanks RainWalker Nov 2023 #69
I believe claudette Nov 2023 #76
Fair RainWalker Nov 2023 #77
Sealioning over 'spokesman' vs 'advisor' is fun! nt. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #80
Tomato v. Tomatoe RainWalker Nov 2023 #83
Makes me wonder if Dennis Prager is running the Likud government's PR. Crowman2009 Nov 2023 #82
LoL I never thought of that RainWalker Nov 2023 #84
Sounds like some of our republicans politicians when we have a school shooting. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #87
Basically, Putin is a rat faced piece of dirt gulliver Nov 2023 #90
Does Israel's Deputy Speaker of the Knesset speak for Israel? Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #92
Wow that's awful RainWalker Nov 2023 #97

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
1. And Hamas Spokespersons Say Hamas Killed No Civilians On October 7th
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:10 AM
Nov 2023

So you may have to clarify your point, if in fact you have one.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,153 posts)
6. So should we conclude the Israeli government and Hamas are as bad as each other?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:32 AM
Nov 2023

Since you bring it up. That's a pretty low bar.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
9. You Have Opened A Discussion Of Oficial Mendacity
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:42 AM
Nov 2023

I have a fresh cup of coffee.

It is my view that what spokespeople from parties to a war say to journalists is worth slightly less than the north end of a southbound rat.

lapucelle

(21,052 posts)
99. If it's this guy, then he's an advisor, not a spokesman.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:47 PM
Nov 2023
Israel Senior Advisor Talks Israel Hamas War, Diplomacy

Mark Regev, Senior Advisor to Israel Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the former Israeli Ambassador to the UK, discusses US diplomacy, Israel’s military strategy for victory, and the importance of escorting Palestinian civilians to safety. Regev spoke with Bloomberg’s Caroline Hepker and Anna Edwards on Bloomberg Radio.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/2023-10-17/israel-senior-advisor-talks-israel-hamas-war-diplomacy

Response to The Magistrate (Reply #4)

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
72. I Think I Rate A More Creative Insult Than That, Don't You?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:38 AM
Nov 2023

'Duckspeak' is my very favorite word of newspeak.

I am in your debt for this doubleplusgood example of it.

marble falls

(71,859 posts)
78. You do, sir. Respectfully, you are wrong. The two issues are independent and not the same or equal ...
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:02 PM
Nov 2023

... both sides are criminal in their separate murdering rampages.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
85. I Quarrel With 'Criminal' Here
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:30 PM
Nov 2023

One thing is worth settling at the outset: there really is no such thing as international law. There is no neutral arbiter with powers of enforcement. Therefore it is enforced only against the weak, and when it is in the interests of powerful states to do so. It is, like the fabled Pirate's Code, more a list of suggestions than actual rules, serving for no more than a rhetorical bludgeon in times of conflict. What no one likes to admit is that, in the absence of a neutral arbiter able to enforce a judgement, retaliation is the sole means available either for punishment or deterrence of anyone showing great disregard for the list of suggestions. One need not approve of reality to acknowledge it.

On October 7th, Hamas broke an existing 'peace' of day by day routine most were at least inured to, and did so, quite literally, in an orgy of sadistic murder. The entire reason for the state of Israel is to secure a place where Jews never have to worry someone will come kill them just because they are Jews. That state will now vindicate its purpose, to its utmost strength, and by the best means it knows. I do not expect perfection in military operations, and I certainly do not expect sainthood. I do expect people to refrain from disturbing the peace by an orgy of sadistic murder, one planned for years and aimed, to be blunt, at demonstrating, by whom it was wreaked on, that in the minds of the sadistic murderers there is no such thing as a 'good' Jew. They oughtn't to have done that.

marble falls

(71,859 posts)
94. An opinion that is entirely one sided. ...
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:34 PM
Nov 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

In 1987, after the outbreak of the First Intifada against Israel, Hamas was founded by Palestinian imam and activist Ahmed Yassin. It emerged out of his Mujama al-Islamiya (Islamic Centre), which had been established in Gaza in 1973 as an Islamic charity involved with the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood.[22] Hamas became increasingly involved in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict by the late 1990s;[63] it opposed the Israel–PLO Letters of Mutual Recognition as well as the Oslo Accords, which saw Fatah renounce "the use of terrorism and other acts of violence" and recognize Israel in pursuit of a two-state solution. Hamas continued to advocate Palestinian armed resistance, won the 2006 Palestinian legislative election,[64] gaining a majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council,[65] and took control of the Gaza Strip from Fatah following a civil war in 2007.[66][67] Since then, it has run Gaza as a de facto autocratic and one-party state.[68][69][70]

While historically seeking an Islamic Palestinian state over the combined territory of Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip,[71][72] Hamas began accepting the 1967 borders in the agreements it signed with Fatah in 2005, 2006 and 2007.[73] In 2017, Hamas released a new charter that supported a transitional Palestinian state within the 1967 borders without recognizing Israel.[74][75][76][77][78] Hamas's repeated offers of a truce (for a period of 10–100 years[79]) based on the 1967 borders are seen by many as being consistent with a two-state solution,[80][81][82][83] while others state that Hamas retains the long-term objective of establishing one state in former Mandatory Palestine.[84][85] Under the ideological principles of Islamism, Hamas promotes Palestinian nationalism in an Islamic context; it has pursued a policy of jihad (armed struggle) against Israel.[c] It has a social service wing, Dawah, and a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.[d][e] Since the mid-1990s,[22] Hamas has gained widespread popularity within Palestinian society for its anti-Israeli stance.[89][90] The group's attacks, including suicide bombings against civilian targets and indiscriminate rocket attacks, have been described by academics as acts of terrorism[61] and has led many countries to designate Hamas a terrorist organization.[91][92][52] A 2018 attempt to condemn Hamas for "acts of terror" at the United Nations failed.[f]



Blame Netanyahu for driving the PLO out of Gaza and putting Hamas in charge.


There's plenty of blame to go around. Too bad Bibi loathed Yassir Arafat.

https://www.timesofisrael.com › liveblog_entry › netanyahu-brandishes-map-of-israel-that-includes-west-bank-and-gaza-at-un-speech
Netanyahu brandishes map of Israel that includes ... - The Times of Israel
Sep 22, 2023Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu uses a red marker on a map of 'The New Middle East' as he addresses the 78th session of the United Nations General Assembly, September 22, 2023.

https://www.jpost.com › israel-news › politics-and-diplomacy › article-760189
Netanyahu under fire for using Greater Land of Israel map at UN
Sep 22, 2023Netanyahu under fire for using Greater Land of Israel map at UN Netanyahu used the map to illustrate a new era of peace in the Middle East that would include the Palestinians, but critics say he ...

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com › 20200428-greater-israel-is-the-objective-as-netanyahu-plans-to-wipe-palestine-off-the-map
Greater Israel is the objective as Netanyahu plans to wipe Palestine ...
US President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu participate in a joint statement in the East Room of the White House on 28 January 2020 in Washington, DC.

If the Israelis drive all Palestinians from Gaza, shouldn't Gaza revert to Egypt?

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
96. No Side Whatever Was Taken
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 03:18 PM
Nov 2023

Unless abhorrence of sadistic murder sprees counts as taking a side in some question of whether sadistic murder is a thing which might possibly be applauded rather than condemned.

I did not engage with how Israel came into being, merely noted the purpose for which it was brought into being. I did not engage with how matters came to their present pass, or with the origin of Hamas, or any of that. I did not engage with whether one party or the other has justice on its side over the whole course of the conflict, nor whether both do, or neither does. None of it matters, not at present.

All that matters at present is that sadistic murder on a grand scale was carried out by people styling themselves the armed representatives of God and Palestine, and the offended state is coming in force to liquidate even the possibility such sadistic murder of its citizenry could occur again. Nothing will constrain its actions but its own capacity for self-restraint, and its pragmatic concern for what may be tolerated by larger powers. The most important of these seems inclined to indulgence, at least for the moment.



"'Boys,' said the Colonel, 'I don't want to see you taking anything out of that house.' Then he turned his back and lit a cigar."



 

Army Brat

(151 posts)
59. Isn't Hamas a pretty low bar?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:44 AM
Nov 2023

This country is supporting Israel because they are supposedly operating from higher moral ground. We wouldn't expect them to sound like Hamas, would we?

dalton99a

(94,084 posts)
86. +1. According to Hamas, all dead Hamas soldiers were civilians, and all dead Israeli civilians were soldiers.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:38 PM
Nov 2023

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
8. More Like 'Examples From Scrubs On A Middle-School Debate Team', Sir
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:37 AM
Nov 2023

What is called 'gaslighting' requires it to be at least conceivable the statement is true rather than a lie, for it must be believed to have the intended effect. I doubt even the man himself thinks this could be true.

Rather than 'gaslighting', I would class it as a display of insolence, of utter unconcern whether one is believed or not, a thing often indulged in by people who feel their superiority to those they address is both self-evident and in dire need of reinforcement.

At bottom, it's a pre-schooler found in close proximity to a weeping sibling who when confronted yells you don't know I bit him, anybody could have....

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
10. Former Israeli Ambassador says
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:45 AM
Nov 2023

Nothing says he is an official spokesperson. But you probably knew that already.
I also like how Mehdi puts up IDF and Hamas' casualty numbers and says they match when they're 10-20% off.
Another disengenous post - but after trying to insinuate that American gun owners are worse than Hamas last night, not really surprising.

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
13. Mehdi said he's Netanyahu's adviser
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:52 AM
Nov 2023

So don't blame the messenger here and focus on the content please. What I said in a previous post is irrelevant to the topic at hand and current discussion so let's focus on this.

I think it's a pretty bad look to say what this person is saying. I think a vast majority of us would likely agree too and I hope you would as well.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
16. Mehdi also says 2100 and 2400 are the same - so maybe not the best source for accuracy.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:54 AM
Nov 2023

And your previous posts are absolutely relevant because they show a pattern of bad comparisons attempting to show terrorists in a positive light.

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
22. Ok
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:00 AM
Nov 2023

What does this say?

Have a nice day.
I try to be positive and avoid arguing with people on the Internet because it's akin to clapping with 1 hand. I don't do toxicity. I find it works wonders for one's mental health ❤️


muriel_volestrangler

(106,153 posts)
23. You know who else says he's Netanyahu's senior adviser? Regev.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:01 AM
Nov 2023
https://www.facebook.com/AmbassadorMarkRegev/

And CNN:

https://edition.cnn.com/audio/podcasts/amanpour/episodes/c69879a0-4c13-11ee-9cab-6390e4a44e8b

And CTV:



and ...

This "a simple, uncontested, googlable fact was said by someone with whom I disagree, so I'll waste people's time contesting it" nonsense is pathetic.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
29. Or there...
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:05 AM
Nov 2023

Keep trying, I'm sure you can find the word "spokesperson" somewhere, why else would you call him that?

muriel_volestrangler

(106,153 posts)
31. An adviser is more important than a spokesperson.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:13 AM
Nov 2023

A spokesperson just presents other people's decisions. An adviser helps make them.

He was a simple spokesperson, before he was promoted to ambassador. Then he became an adviser.

Really, I am amazed to find this kind of shit on DU. Regev has been the person sent by the Israeli government for the past month to do interviews for them on English speaking media all over the world, and you think you're making a point about anyone apart from yourself by fixating on the word "spokesman" in a DU thread title? Wow.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
35. Because words have meanings
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:24 AM
Nov 2023

And when the poster uses disingenuously - that makes the poster less credible.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,153 posts)
47. It's not disingenuous - Regev speaks for the Netanyahu government
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:32 AM
Nov 2023
Mark Regev: the man from Melbourne running Israel’s PR war

There are two wars being waged from the upper floors of Israel’s Ministry of Defence in downtown Tel Aviv. The first is an old-fashioned ground war, already on the verge of routing Hamas from Gaza barely six weeks after the incursion began.

The second is a PR war, one that cannot be settled with tanks and weapons. It’s a shadow campaign for hearts and minds taking place in lounge rooms across Britain, the US and even Australia, led in part by Mark Regev, a diplomat who’s spent more than 15 years serving as a bulwark for the Jewish state in times of calamity.

Born in Melbourne, he’s been a familiar sight on television during all manner of skirmishes and ­sorties with Hamas, whose formidable propaganda machine is often run unchecked, he says, by news organisations covering the conflicts. “Hamas gets a free ride because of their ability, through coercion, to control the message coming out of Gaza,” Mr Regev told The ­Australian.
...
On the morning of October 7, he was enjoying time away from public life as the head of a think-tank specialising in foreign relations and diplomacy. Israel’s darkest day had just started in the country’s south when the phone rang with a call from the Prime Minister’s office. It wasn’t Mr Netanyahu, but someone speaking on his behalf was asking Mr Regev to return to his old job as Israel’s loudspeaker to the foreign media – an offer he could hardly refuse in a time of war.

https://archive.is/CicYb#selection-245.5-254.0

But his title is now "senior adviser", not just "spokesman".

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
53. Are you saying that the Israeli government made an official announcement that no civilians have been killed?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:38 AM
Nov 2023

Because that's what the OP says happened.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,153 posts)
60. They said it's a comment from Netanyahu's spokesperson
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:45 AM
Nov 2023
In spite of the severe criticism, Israel’s hasbara efforts have improved significantly in the course of the war. Hundreds of civilian organizations, influencers, and ordinary citizens have taken to social media to share the terrible sights and events of October 7 with the international public. IDF Spokesperson Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari became a leading source of reliable reports to the public in Israel and worldwide, and he provides effective information and explanations about developments in his regular briefings and on his website, which includes numerous videos from the battlefield in the Gaza Strip as well as intelligence that supports the Israeli version of the background to the war and the objectives that Israel wishes to achieve. In addition, since his return to the National Public Diplomacy Directorate in the Prime Minister’s Office, interviews given by Amb. Mark Regev to the international media have contributed a great deal to explaining Israel’s response and actions in Gaza.

https://www.inss.org.il/publication/hasbara/

The National Public Diplomacy Directorate
The Public Diplomacy Directorate coordinates the activities of the Prime Minister and the Prime Minister’s Office on the one side, and the media. This work includes routine activity as well as events and tours. The Prime Minister’s Media Advisor heads the Directorate.

The main activities of the Public Diplomacy Directorate and Media Advisor to the Prime Minister include:

• Communicating the policies and decisions of the government and the Prime Minister.
• Planning, administering and implementing the State of Israel’s public diplomacy campaign vis-à-vis media outlets in Israel and abroad.
• Providing media advice, both day-to-day and in times of emergency, and managing media crises.
• Formulating and analyzing current situation reports regarding the media-related agenda.
• Advising the Prime Minister and the various bodies in the Prime Minister’s Office on media-related affairs.
• Responsibility to publicize ceremonies, visits to various locations and attend various national events.

https://www.gov.il/en/departments/about/about_pm_office

I think calling him Netanyahu's spokesperson is probably the most accurate thing in this entire thread. Certainly more accurate than what Regev said.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
66. You Have Settled That, Sir
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:07 AM
Nov 2023

To continue in a course of reason, I expect what occurred was the fellow making a clumsy beginning to a speech about Hamas killing their own in flight, and that it is Hamas who kills the children by concealing its positions among them. Both these things are true enough, but meaningless if cited in an attempt to wave away responsibilities which do fall on the person who pulls the trigger. Each strike represents a decision that military advantage gained outweighs the harm to civilians likely. When you are deciding that destroying some facility or depot is worth killing and maiming people who just happen to be in the way, that has to be owned up to.

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
17. Wait, wait, wait. YOUR subject line says "Netanyahu's spokesperson."
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:56 AM
Nov 2023

Now I read that this person is a self-declared "advisor?"

He's not an official spokesperson. The Magistrate is correct.

Correct your subject line.

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
24. I know, I was responding to the OP!
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:02 AM
Nov 2023

The Magistrate responded to this thread in some posts above. He's not polite at all this morning!

And good morning to you! Thank you for pointing out that this "spokesman" dude is a fake.

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
38. I Did Not Say He Was Not An Official Spokescritter
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:26 AM
Nov 2023

I apologize for any lack of clarity.

I intended saying I do not attach any weight to what is said to journalists by people parties to a war.

This particular statement is bush-league blather, of no better quality then the tripe shoveled recently and regularly by his opposite numbers. Whatever he's paid exceeds his worth by far.

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
45. Sir, I stand corrected.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:30 AM
Nov 2023

As I noted down-thread, it's not at all surprising that one of Netanyahu's cronies, advisors, whatever, said something stupid.

However, this person was not making an official statement announcing the government's position on anything.

The OP's framing is disingenuous.

elias7

(4,229 posts)
12. So irrelevant. It's a war. Gaza has lost and needs to offer terms of surrender. That's how war works.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:50 AM
Nov 2023

if we want to micromanage the minute to minute, blow by blow, we can see this as a war like no other. I see a conflict that is under the magnifying glass of social media and an Islamic PR machine that is trouncing the Israeli PR machine, because, well, facts.

This guy is slippery and obfuscative and a bad spokesperson for Israel. But compare...

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
15. Your last sentence
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:53 AM
Nov 2023
This guy is slippery and obfuscative and a bad spokesperson for Israel.


I fully agree with.

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
18. And you know he's NOT a spokesperson for anybody but himself.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:58 AM
Nov 2023

Correct your subject line in the OP.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
28. War when one side is a terrorist group rather than a nation's military
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:05 AM
Nov 2023

Is not going to operate the old way. I've seen here many times the comment Hamas does not want peace and that they want Gazans to die. Doesn't make a lot of sense, as what they are going to get out of that does not seem obvious.

But it does seem unlikely that the Hamas leadership is going to ask for peace. They started it, after all. Their chance of reaching their stated goal of destroying Israel was nil from the beginning, and if that is their goal, they can't be negotiated with - that claim has been made many times.

That Hamas is destroyed is the Israeli goal, and when is that goal met? This is why it would be better to treat terrorism as a criminal act rather than consider the terrorist group a party to a war.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
14. What he means, is that he doesn't know if they were burned to death, crushed in their homes, or vaporized in explosions.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:53 AM
Nov 2023

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
20. He doesn't know squat because he's not an official spokesman.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:59 AM
Nov 2023

Apparently he's a former member of the administration.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
21. So logically from that POV
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:00 AM
Nov 2023

No one is getting killed in these bombings, because we have no way of knowing a death toll, since the information comes from a source that cannot be believed. Anyone killed could have died in some other way than from being bombed.

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
26. As you've been informed, this is NOT an official spokesman for Israel.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:04 AM
Nov 2023

Therefore, your whole argument falls apart.

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
33. Senior advisor is not the same as official spokesperson.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:22 AM
Nov 2023

Stupid things he says to the media are his own stupid comments, not official Israeli positions.

Is it astounding and amazing that members of Netanyahu's circle say stupid things? No it is not. It is business as usual for this stupid administration that has caused immeasurable harm.

So what is the point of this thread? To observe that one of Netanyahu's cronies has again said a stupid thing? That's a daily occurrence.

What it's not - as the OP is trying to imply - is an official statement by the Israeli government.

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
98. We probably don't disagree.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:15 PM
Nov 2023

My point is that this is not new news. It's not surprising or odd or anything new. It's just more stupid stuff being said by a stupid administration.

Nanjeanne

(6,574 posts)
30. RainWalker - to expect an actual discussion here anymore is sort of self defeating. But thanks for trying.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:11 AM
Nov 2023

I’ll leave this just because…

We will not learn how to live together in peace by killing each other's children. Jimmy Carter.

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
34. Sadly I believe you're correct
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:23 AM
Nov 2023

It seems anytime someone posts something critical of Israel there's a select few who like to pile out. I'm not about that and refuse to be baited into arguments. That's not what I joined for but rather actual discussion.

And while I understand people are passionate about things, I much prefer logical and rational discussions over ones based in emotions.

There's many dead innocent people on both sides. All of them matter. These were people who had lives, families, loved ones, and children. Many are in fact kids. I find the means testing of who died absolutely repulsive. Death doesn't pick a side. Sadly, many are doing just that ....

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
39. Did you just "All Lives Matter"?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:27 AM
Nov 2023

Interesting choice of words, where have I heard that before?

obamanut2012

(29,346 posts)
67. Why do Gaza deaths not count? Why do Palestinian deaths count less or not at all?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:09 AM
Nov 2023

This is not a "both sides" thing like you are saying. All the deaths of civilians count, and the fact you are saying poeple saying those deaths matter are "whataboutists" is appalling.

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
58. It does
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:44 AM
Nov 2023

I just hate violence.
I've lost several family and friends to it. Mostly all from guns. Life is incredibly prescious and I truly feel we should respect it much more than we do. Sadly, I don't know if that will ever happen....

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
93. Previous incarnation?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:31 PM
Nov 2023

This is quite strange. I've lurked for some time but recently decided to join because I don't have any social interaction as I'm sick and in a nursing home and I thought being around like minded people would be good for me.

Why are you saying this to me?

Nanjeanne

(6,574 posts)
74. This is a difficult situation and everyone has an emotional reaction. Unfortunately those who
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:48 AM
Nov 2023

believe, as Albert Einstein said - “We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them” are accused of many things.

I am Jewish on all sides - French, Swedish, Hungarian and Russian. I lost two uncles who fought in the French Resistance. I have cousins in Tel Aviv who knew Vivian Silver, the peace activist murdered by Hamas. They worked for peace with her organization, Arab-Jewish Center for Equality, Empowerment and Cooperation.

And yet I have been accused of being pro Hamas, naive, blindly believing terrorists etc.

It’s understandable that people will react emotionally. It’s sadder when rational thought and research are dismissed outright. I only know this to be true: What Hamas did was horrific and wrong. What Netanyahu is now doing to innocent civilians in Gaza is horrific and wrong. Where we go from here, I don’t know. But I’ll refer back to the Einstein quote.

FHRRK

(1,410 posts)
89. great post
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:52 PM
Nov 2023

Hamas deserves to be crushed, almost everyone agrees with that. There just seems to be a lack of logic, that is by blowing up everything, with some innocents killed, is equal to crushing Hamas. Many here argue that it is all due to Hamas because the innocent are being used as human shields by Hamas to facilitate Arab hate against Israel.
So the argument seems to be Hamas is forcing us to do something that Hamas wants us to do! FUCKING MIND BOGGLING!

Nanjeanne

(6,574 posts)
91. If only we had a place here for discussion without the endless hordes of dismissive sound bites.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:14 PM
Nov 2023

SouthernDem4ever

(6,619 posts)
36. I don't get the Iraq comparison
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:25 AM
Nov 2023

W took us to Iraq under false pretenses. This isn't the case in Gaza.

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
41. That poster has referenced this before.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:27 AM
Nov 2023

It's a highly inapt comparison dropped into comments in an apparent effort to appeal to our emotions.

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
43. I'll try to explain
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:29 AM
Nov 2023

It reminded me greatly of the daily press briefings that Rumnsfeld (remember that guy? Awful person) would get on national TV and keep repeating how there were WMD's despite overwhelming evidence there wasn't or how we heard the excuses made for troops committing torture at that prison who's name escapes me.

Hope that helps.

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
54. That's fine
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:38 AM
Nov 2023

If we all thought alike life would be like a giant bowl of vanilla ice cream 🍦

I'll take Ben & Jerry's Chunky Monkey any day 🙂

yardwork

(69,307 posts)
50. It didn't happen quite that way.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:36 AM
Nov 2023

His name was Rumsfeld (I'm sure that was an inadvertent typo).

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
56. Remember
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:40 AM
Nov 2023

Hamas is so smart they could lock themselves inside a grocery store and starve to death.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
62. I dunno they've managed to dupe a lot of people in the West
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:50 AM
Nov 2023

Into thinking they're no worse than American gun owners.

Mossfern

(4,710 posts)
63. I think they thought it was a good time to attack
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:52 AM
Nov 2023

because Netanyahu was losing popularity and Israelis were protesting against him.
Hamas took their chance that he could not get cooperation for a meaningful response to
the October 7th massacre.

Crowman2009

(3,521 posts)
82. Makes me wonder if Dennis Prager is running the Likud government's PR.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:09 PM
Nov 2023

Because they're BS is so easily debunkable.

republianmushroom

(22,297 posts)
87. Sounds like some of our republicans politicians when we have a school shooting.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:46 PM
Nov 2023

Just a political hack saying what he is paid to say. They lie a lot.

Nanjeanne

(6,574 posts)
92. Does Israel's Deputy Speaker of the Knesset speak for Israel?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 01:22 PM
Nov 2023

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All the preoccupation with whether or not there is internet in Gaza shows that we have learned nothing. We are too humane. Burn Gaza now no less!
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