"anonymous" firewall the new birth certificate?

[arely staircase]

what more evidence is there that anonymous people stopped karl rove from rigging the election than there is that the president was born in kenya?

seriously

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. Actually there is more CIRCUMSTANTIAL evidence of this

than the birth certificate. It helps if you know the culture and a tad about computers.

Alas circumstantial it will remain unless a level of forensics rarely done on computer systems (it is the cost stupid) is done

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021845743

[arely staircase]

3. there is no evidence whatsoever of either

circumstantial or otherwise.

both are baseless claims.

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. Ok

[Coyotl]

15. I agree also

[Raine]

19. I LOVE that picture, so cute and sweet of Obama to pose that way. nt

[aletier_v]

4. Disagree. The origin of the original BC issue was that it was photoshopped by someone

I'm very suspicious of the OH vote in 2008
and the subsequent death of the GOP IT Guy
but I've seen nothing to support this latest Anonymous Hacked theory.

The technical explanation is Wizard of Oz mumbo jumbo at its finest.

[nadinbrzezinski]

13. We can disagree

I am not saying it happened, just that it is possible.

[BlueCaliDem]

28. I like the idea that this is possible.

It would be nice if Anonymous would have a deeper and closer look at Wisconsin where something fishy appears to be going on. Too many Republicans are stealing elections left and right using voter suppression. Texas would be another great state to watch, too. Oh, and Aryanzona.

[RomneyLies]

2. Are BeBeVers the new Birthers?

I think so.

[RobertEarl]

30. What are BeBeVers?

[aletier_v]

5. It's certainly possible that the voting system was hacked.

Having hacked a couple of systems myself,
I know it can be very easy under the right circumstances.

But I also know that half of being a magician
is convincing the audience that you are a magician.

I have no doubt Rove revels in his reputation as an Evil Genius,
because half the trick of being an evil genius is making people believe it,
and react to it.

But as near as I've seen so far,
the entire hacking theory is based on Rove's reaction.

Be honest here.
Romney's camp was deluded into believing they were winning.
Rove's reaction could just as easily be attribute to that.

[arely staircase]

7. i don't doubt rove's willingness to steel an election

i am specifically talking about the anonymous saved the day business.

[aletier_v]

10. I think the anonymous post is

a) a practical joke

b) an attempt to elevate the reputation of anonymous by capitalizing on a coincidence.


I did the same thing for a few years.
Once you have a reputation as a magician,
it becomes almost self-fulfilling. The audience
almost fills in the blanks for you.

[aletier_v]

12. Well, I'm being censored and shit on now for telling the truth

I should have expected as much on this board.

Have a good night.

[Raine]

21. No one censored you, you put up your opinion but people have the right

to agree or disagree ... that's freedom of speech not censorship.

[RomneyLies]

24. It's certainly possible Barack Obama's birth certificate was forged.

Please, stop the CT crap.

[hedgehog]

26. Connecticut?

[RobertEarl]

31. What is that supposed to mean?

You think Obama forged his birth certificate?

You've gone over the edge.

[WinkyDink]

6. Sounds like a good little Republican argument.

[arely staircase]

8. i have simply asked a question

have an answer?

[WinkyDink]

9. Oh, you read my answer, and quite well, I presume.

[arely staircase]

11. i read your poorly thought out comment

but have seen no answer to my question.

[WinkyDink]

37. First of all, try some correct grammar in the OP. Secondly, apples and oranges?

[Warpy]

16. It's just one of those things we'd like to be true.

There is no proof Rove was hacking Ohio beyond his meltdown when it was called for Obama. There is also no proof that Anonymous had anything to do with the fact that such hacking didn't work.

It's just one of those stories that people will enjoy telling for many, many years, so get used to it.

[GeorgeGist]

17. How about: The President never claimed to be born in Kenya.

[nadinbrzezinski]

18. +1

[Overseas]

20. Sounds so nifty. You're so cool. Laugh away electronic vote manipulation. It's silly.

Nothing to see here. Those folks are all kooks.

You are the smart ones. You know they are fools. Don't you feel smart and strong?

[Mr. Mojo Risen]

22. I believe in electronic vote manipulation

I also believe that letter from anonymous is likely a fraud.

[Overseas]

23. But you know the difference between a proven falsehood and a possible one.

You're not jumping in to crush all discussion by equating a proven falsehood with a potential one.

We don't know if the Anonymous things were hoaxes issued by the same people that may or may not have interfered with electronic vote manipulation,

or hoaxes issued by those with or without a relationship to Anonymous, just to intimidate potential vote manipulation efforts, or to draw attention to the possibility of it being tried.

Those still attempting to craft better means of electronic vote manipulation would very much like us to relegate all such discussion to the taboo Conspiracy Theory department. To make all who talk about it into CT nuts. Issuing bold claims of victory on behalf of Anonymous could be one way of making all such talk appear more ridiculous.

We may never know.

But we do know our president was born in Hawaii. We knew that before he won the primary. Before he was elected to the Senate already.

[arely staircase]

35. I am not laughing at vote manipulation

I am laughing at the claim (presented with zero proof) that anonymous prevented it on a large scale.

[pa28]

25. Election integrity is a serious issue.

Unless anonymous has evidence they are cheapening the issue.

[hedgehog]

27. Here's what I'm looking at -

- it has become accepted in many quarters that Gore won in 2000, but that the Supreme Court interfered with the vote count and declared Bush President in a judicial coup d'etat.

- the Ohio Secretary of State openly tampered with the vote in 2004 by manipulating the placement of polling booths to depress the vote in Democratic districts.

- Gerrymandering, albeit a hallowed American tradition used by both parties, has been raised to an art form by the Republican Party to ensure a Republican House.

- Open attempts to suppress the Democratic vote were made in several states.

- People backing Romney had so much money to spend that in the final days there was literally no more commercial time left to purchase in many markets.

Somehow, the theory that Karl Rove engineered or knew of a plot to give Ohio to Romney does not seem far fetched to me!

[arely staircase]

32. and that is evidence that anonymous prevented an election theft?

really? that is what I am asking about.

[RobertEarl]

29. Rove loves the birthers

And explain Rove denying the fact that Ohio's votes were going to Obama. It was on camera. What is your explanation for that?

Frankly, you trying to equate a total proven falsehood - "Birthers" with a known problem of computer code vote counting is the worst kind of political persuasion. It's bald faced trash talking. And is not much more than an attempt at flaming.

Explain Rove denying, on national TV, the Ohio vote outcome.

[arely staircase]

33. how do you get from rove's meltdown to anonymous saved the day?

you are confusing

a. Rove tried (or would try) to steel an election

with

b. Anonymous stopped Rove from steeling an election.

my post is about the latter

[Comrade_McKenzie]

34. Anyone with moderate knowledge about IT knows the story is full of holes and is 100% bullshit. nt

[Egalitarian Thug]

36. K&R&LOL n/t

[WinkyDink]

38. Why are you trying to compare a scurrilous and baseless ATTACK on the DEMOCRATIC President with

a claim by Anonymous---WHO, IF LEGITIMATE, WAS ANTI-ROVE AND ANTI-ROMNEY---that would explain what people witnessed: Rove's panic and incredulity at the Ohio results?

There has been anecdotal evidence FOR YEARS of Republican-owned voting machines (Diebold, e.g.) "flipping votes." INDEED, we have video evidence from this past election.

"Anonymous" exists.

Vote-tampering has happened.

NONE OF THIS COMPARES TO THE "OBAMA BIRTH CERTIFICATE" REPUBLICAN INSANITY.

[arely staircase]

39. because believing baseless claims by anyone is foolish

one should be a little more discriminating before jumping on bandwagons - be they racist birtherism or comic bookish worship of anonymous people on the internet who claim to have performed daring deeds that saved democarcy.