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SocialDemocrat61

(7,648 posts)
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:14 PM Nov 2023

New York Times Calls Trump 'Vague' On Abortion--But His Own Words Say Otherwise

New York Times Calls Trump 'Vague' On Abortion—But His Own Words Say Otherwise

After The New York Times called former President Donald Trump "vague" on abortion rights, President Joe Biden's campaign posted an ad and a video of Trump's own statements that say otherwise.

Earlier this week, the newspaper published an article by journalist Ruth Igielnik titled "Why Trump Seems Less Vulnerable on Abortion Than Other Republicans," in which she said that Trump "appointed judges who overturned Roe, but his vague statements on the issue may give him some leeway with voters."

Igielnik wrote that Trump "has held steady in recent surveys even among voters who favor keeping abortion mostly legal" and that he "seems to have effectively neutralized abortion as an issue during the Republican primary" because he "appears to be attending to general election voters by employing vagueness and trying to occupy a middle ground of sorts."

https://secondnexus.com/biden-campaign-video-trump-abortion
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Walleye

(44,807 posts)
1. Please, New York Times, quit covering this guy like he has some kind of principles or policy
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:17 PM
Nov 2023

He’s “vague” is he. He’s a lying sack of shit don’t repeat anything he says

Bev54

(13,431 posts)
10. They try very hard to make their articles about him bland, as if he is just a normal candidate.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:47 PM
Nov 2023

They make me sick!

Walleye

(44,807 posts)
12. They are complicit, I hope they know what he plans to do to them if he gets an office
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:51 PM
Nov 2023

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
2. He is on camera saying he picked the judges to outlaw abortion
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:17 PM
Nov 2023

I guess the NYT missed that video or they want the TFG re elected because he’s more exciting to write breathless headlines about!

But he has said he is responsible for the new ban and there is multiple instances of him saying it!

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
3. These scumbags never can admit the truth, that they liars thru-and-thru. I am guessing that this is going to
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:25 PM
Nov 2023

be an serious issue in the 2024 election, and republicans are going to feel the wrath of voters, and not just because of their lies, their incompetence, and their abortion stance, just like desantis is in FL.

Since these guys are so insistent and quick on women paying the price for abortions and such, when these women are taking control of their bodies as they should be allowed to do, w/ unfettered access and rights, if they pass another legislative attempt on abortion, they should include cutting someone's testicles off too, as part of the family plan too. Fair is fair, eh?

TSExile

(3,363 posts)
5. Thank you!!!
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:29 PM
Nov 2023

Then, now and forever - the onus has been, is now and ALWAYS will be on the woman. UNFAIR!!

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
7. Who is surprised that the NYT posts a misleading story favorable to TFG
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 04:36 PM
Nov 2023

The NYT always favors TFG in its coverage

SharonClark

(10,497 posts)
8. I must have read a different article.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:16 PM
Nov 2023

The author was writing about how some people who purport to support abortion rights plan to vote for trump 1) because economic issues are more important to them than social issues or 2) they are willfully ignorant of trump’s statements about abortion or 3) they don’t connect trump’s actions and the actions of the Supreme Court.

Seems to me that the author was providing much needed information about how some voters who are vaguely “pro-choice”, and also low information, plan to vote for trump.

We can’t assume that so-called “pro-choice” voters really care about the issue at the same level we do. This article is a reminder.

maxrandb

(17,428 posts)
9. Sure Jan!
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:35 PM
Nov 2023

If only the New York Times had some type of medium they could use to point out his lies.

The MSM "fretting" about "low information voters" is like a school asking why their students failed Algebra II after they spent the semester teaching them Woodworking.

In It to Win It

(12,651 posts)
13. I read something like that in the NYT
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 05:55 PM
Nov 2023

I recall reading one young lady's words that abortion rights was a big issue for her, and because states started banning abortion while Joe Biden is President, she thought it was Joe Biden's fault.

Imagine how hard of a facepalm I did.

I found it... here is what I read: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/16/upshot/kamala-harris-biden-voters-polls.html?unlocked_article_code=1.-0w.XrC4.L8_8TwcpKIbz&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

progree

(12,977 posts)
14. Viewable link to Ruth Igielnik article
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 06:29 PM
Nov 2023
https://archive.li/hpmEj

I post this because the secondnexus.com link that had a link to Igielnik's article popped up a McAfee security alert that I couldn't get rid of without clicking on something inside the pop-up which is always a bad idea.

Igel

(37,535 posts)
15. Quoting anything he says as indicative of what he thinks "mid-term" is pointless.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:41 PM
Nov 2023

"Long-term"? Risible.

He speaks today. Says X.

He speaks tomorrow. Says Y.

Next day he speaks, "I didn't change. I said W."

And on fourth day? Says Z.

Quoting his beliefs, outside of his inherent narcissicism, as anything approaching a fact shows far, far too much consumption of intellectual sugar of lead over the course of the last decade.

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