Jake Tapper wonders where the outrage over the rape and murder of Israeli women is.

[Swede]

Gee, I wonder too.

Link to tweet

[edhopper]

1. Me as well

[WarGamer]

2. All I heard was outrage and empathy for the Israelis...

Until they started flattening residential city blocks.

IMHO.

[yardwork]

5. When? I didn't hear any sympathy at all.

The day of the Hamas attack the anti-Israeli propaganda began.

[WarGamer]

6. You were watching different news than I...

Nearly every country on the planet made statements of empathy... even ones who have since criticized the response of the IDF.

One can't help but feel sad and supportive of Israel for the horrible event they went through... but it's the reaction(over) that's caused the criticism.

And don't mistake that for being pro-Hamas. The vast majority of people are anti-Hamas and pro Palestinian.

[GuppyGal]

9. And you think the vast majority of Palestinians aren't Pro Hamas....Yeah OK

[Happy Hoosier]

14. Oh sure....

Plenty of sympathy so long as they did nothing to actually defend themselves. Jews as victims are fine… but lots of people seem to take issue with them actually taking action against Hamas…

[CincyDem]

29. Boom...exactomundo neighbor (assuming that handle is a geo-accurate as mine). n/t

[LauraInLA]

33. If you haven't read _People Love Dead Jews_ by Dara Horn, I recommend it.

[mcar]

46. This!

How dare they defend themselves?

[DFW]

64. Well.......

There are always thoughts, prayers and concern…..

[GuppyGal]

10. That lasted for a few days then the propaganda campaign began and I must say it's going very well

for Hamas, just as they planned.

[CincyDem]

30. The last WW was fought with bullets and bombs...

...the next WW will be fought with bits and bytes.

Personally - I think we're already in it and many don't realize it.

Starting with Cambridge Analytica's fueling Trump and Brexit, two concurrent events that weakened the west.

Hamas attacks on the ground followed by a well executed mind game through social media that started before their hostages (or their bodies) were out of the jeeps on 10/7.

TikToc explodes with some open letter from Bin Laden explaining to the 13-18 year old generation that 9/11 was really a US false flag (or some other BS...I honestly haven't read the damn thing).

So yeah - you're right...it's going exceptionally well.

[Straw Man]

31. Yup.

"Let's rape and murder a bunch of Israelis and then go hide behind Palestinian babies. When the Israelis come after us, the world will hate them for it."

And the useful idiots fall right in line ...

[Behind the Aegis]

32. Do you like "shits and giggles"?

If you do, or just are morbidly curious, search "Israel" in the titles of LBN, Editorials, and GD from October 7 to October 9. It is very eye-opening.

[yardwork]

40. I remember reading them in real time.

The anti-Israeli public relations campaign was obviously planned along with the Hamas attack. What's incredibly disappointing is how many people fell for it.

[krawhitham]

54. Give me a break, what total BS, your trying to rewrite history that is only a month old

[Cha]

7. This Isn't those Poor Israeli's Women Fault .. THIS

IS ALL ON the Butchers of HAMAS.

[Kennah]

21. Before Israel even responded, on Oct 8, the attacks on Israel ensued

https://peoplesforum.org/blog_post/statement-on-times-square-palestine-protest-held-on-october-8-2023/

[RandomNumbers]

48. Sort of ... but the news I saw never mentioned the rape and barbarism

It was basically couched as a terrorist attack, yes. But we were left to imagine the details. OF COURSE rapes occurred. Because, Hamas follows no normal laws of morality - and least not when it applies to non-Muslims I guess?

So many liberals want to be "both sides" on this (leaving out the ones that are uncompromisingly pro-Hamas). But there is NO valid "both sides" to the terrorism of Oct. 7. Yes you can question whether the IDF's tactics since Oct. 7 are appropriate*. But the question only exists because of what Hamas did on Oct 7 - and what they CONTINUE to do by refusing to release the hostages. (How much more raping are they doing while they are holding these hostages? Is a Hamas terrorist ever held accountable for war crimes by their own government? )

* Obviously there is room for energetic discussion about Netanyahu / Likud treatment of Palestine before October 7th. But the terrorist actions on Oct 7 have pretty much obliterated any channel for peaceful discussion. Return the hostages and turn over war criminals for prosecution. Then perhaps there will be some possible path to peace.

[MOMFUDSKI]

52. I wonder if DU could consider a ceasefire

anytime soon? None of us has any control over the situation.

[krawhitham]

53. This 100% true

[Sal_NV]

3. Me also.

[Cha]

4. TY for this.. so appreciate JT bringing this to LIGHT!

[TSExile]

8. It's about time someone in the media talked in depth about this.

My heart is absolutely broken for those women and girls. 💔

[LexVegas]

11. This kind of coverage is gonna make certain people upset. nt

[Cha]

12. Oh yeah :(

[Maru Kitteh]

13. Yup.

[JudyM]

15. K&R. DUers need to see this, to know about it.

As does the rest of the world.

There is no equivalent.

[Arazi]

16. It's Palestinian "resistance" doncha know

People fucking celebrating Palestinian “resistance”…

Sexual violence against Israelis by the terrorists was known from day 1. And yet the support for Oct 7th and Hamas’ continuing actions is unwavering.

[SoFlaBro]

18. I wonder if they would still "see Hamas' point" if they had a sister or wife or daughter that was raped.

"She had it coming."

[Skittles]

17. maybe because they are sick of everything going on

outrage fatigue

[SocialDemocrat61]

19. I prefer empathy and compassion

to outrage.

[JI7]

25. Those things can exist at the same time.

[SocialDemocrat61]

37. True

But I still prefer empathy and compassion because they lead to love and understanding. Outrage leads to resentment and division.

[edisdead]

50. How... TF...

How the fuck do you empathy and compassion out of mass rape? For the victims? Sure. But how do you preventing it from happening again?

There was a slogan once:

if you aren’t outraged you aren’t paying attention.

[SocialDemocrat61]

59. Thank you

for proving my point.

[edisdead]

60. You didn't have one.

There is a time for peace and there is a time to fight.

We can argue about what is the correct way to fight but you are making statements from I assume a pretty safe space while others watched their loved ones raped and slaughtered. That you pretend to be on some moral high ground is the epitome of ridiculousness.

[SocialDemocrat61]

63. I hope you find peace one day

[madaboutharry]

20. People don't care.

The world doesn’t care about Israelis or Jews.
The world has been screaming this fact since just hours after the massacre.
Many not only don’t care, they celebrated it. Some think October 7th was a great day.

[Kennah]

22. I tend to agree

The US cares deeply about Israel because it's a nuclear state. During the 73 war, there was a nuclear alert, and Golda Meir notified the White House. The US is committed mostly to ensuring there's no nuclear conflict, but the US is disengaged on the issue of antisemitism almost to the degree it was before WWII.

[Redleg]

45. I am sorry you feel that way

It does seem like a sweeping generalization.

[elleng]

23. Oh really, when we hear of deaths, rapes and murders of MANY it's assumed

it's bemoaning rapes and murders of those on ONE SIDE of a war, right?

[JI7]

24. Many people think they deserved it

They think Israel shouldn't do things to prevent it from happening again .

Screaming about killing babies and genocide. Why don't these people put pressure on Qatar and others to stop Hamas.

I understand wanting Israel to show restraint to prevent innocents from being hurt. BUt Not when there is nothing done to stop the other side .

So much dishonesty, bigotry , hypocrisy with people.

[RockRaven]

26. It's everywhere. Disapprobation of rape and murder is every-fucking-where.

What a ridiculous strawman.

[JI7]

27. This has revealed to me how much the UN is full of shitty people

they have their bigotry which s revealed in times like this . So much hypocrisy .

[JI7]

28. When I bring this up in certain spaces I also get responses about how it's all a lie and never happened

[yardwork]

41. Just like the Holocaust is a lie that never happened?

Some things don't seem to have changed as much as we like to think they have.

[elias7]

34. And everyone shouting "2 state solution" as if Israel hasn't been trying this for 75 yrs

I think it was the Harvard letter of 31 student groups condemning Israel on 10/8 that was the 2nd demoralizing blow. Then the blaming of Israel for bombing a hospital and killing 500 people, when it was actually and most likely a Hamas dud exploding in the parking lot. Where’s that outrage?

Regarding a solution, do people actually believe the Palestinians can self govern? Which Arab Muslim state are they going to pattern their authoritarian structure after? Hamas is the same thi;g as Al-quaeda and ISIS except they and a half dozen similar groups are in Israel’s backyard. Israel, the sole democracy and non-authoritarian regime surrounded by a sea of two dozen Arab Muslim nations who want Jews dead. Where’s the outrage?

And the calls for ceasefire when Gaza has not even offered terms of surrender, disarming, return of hostages? Who the actual f*ck thinks it’s ok to call “timeout” in the middle of a war. I am actually more appalled that so many of my liberal friends have been brainwashed by Arab Muslim propaganda. Everything is upside down.

[madaboutharry]

39. Israel has been libeled and slandered everyday of the last 75 years.

The history of the creation of Israel, one half of the original two-state solution, the immediate attack by the surrounding Arab nations, and the Arab nations condeming Palestinians to eternal refugee status has been replaced by a manufactured history of lies and propaganda. People believe that before Israel existed that there was a sovereign Palestinian country and that Jews came along and stole it. Bring up the 1947 Partition and the Arab rejection of a Jewish country, you will get a blank stare. People have no idea there was no country, that it was only an area of land controlled by the British.
It is ignorance and the centuries of baked-in antisemitism that brings us to this day.
Jewish hearts are so broken and bereft. I don’t believe that Jews have any trust left.

[yardwork]

42. "Everything is upside down."

Just like with Trump. It's intentional. The effect of propaganda is to make resisters feel like they're crazy.

[Redleg]

44. The current administration in Israel doesn't support a two-state solution

I understand that a good number of Israelis still do.

[Raine]

35. I wonder too because I'm sure not seeing it. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

36. More of this from the media

Jake Tapper is speaking the truth.

[Irish_Dem]

38. It is like the initial attack has been wiped from memory banks.

[Redleg]

43. I think people expect better behavior from the state of Israel than they do of Hamas

They expect Hamas to be a bad actor, hiding behind human shields, fucking over their own people in Gaza and aren't suprised when they commit atrocities. They expect better from Israel and criticize it when they believe it is doing something unbecoming of a democratic state.

This rationale obviously excludes those who hate Israel and Jewish people.

[obamanut2012]

49. Yes, say compare the IRA with the British government and military during The Troubles

[question everything]

47. See also: The obscene betrayal of Israelis who survived - and didn't survive - rape

https://www.democraticunderground.com/113815412

[claudette]

51. Maybe

it’s buried under the revenge deaths of thousands (including children) of innocent Palestinians?

[EllieBC]

56. Oh please. It was never there. You had people justifying

it on Oct 7th itself.

Masks fell off and hopefully this time most of us who are Jewish won’t be fooled again.

[claudette]

58. What?

I NEVER saw anyone justify the horror of what Hamas did on 10-7. Never.

I did, however, see MANY justify what the Israeli government is doing to Palestinians in Gaza. You may not believe this but the Jewish members of my family do NOT agree with Nuttyahoo’s revenge on innocents. And they are not fools

[BlueCheeseAgain]

61. If you haven't seen anyone, then you've purposely closed your eyes.

The DSA held a pro-Palestine rally on October 8. People chanted "Resistance is justified when people are occupied." AOC denounced the rally as anti-semitic.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/nyc-palestine-rally-democrats-israel-00120533

Cornell history professor said he felt "exhilarated" and "energized" by Hamas' attacks at a pro-Palestine rally. You can find video. Nobody in the crowd disagrees-- in fact, you can hear words of agreement.

https://cornellsun.com/2023/10/16/cornell-professor-exhilarated-by-hamass-attack-defends-remark/

And there's plenty more:

The Black Lives Matter Chicago chapter posted an image of a paratrooper with Palestinian flag. Students for Justice in Palestine called it "a historic win for the Palestinian resistance." Harvard student groups blamed Israel entirely for the attack.

https://time.com/6323730/hamas-attack-left-response/

Please, please, please-- stop saying that nobody approved of the massacres. It's false, insulting to our intelligence, and at this point, simply deceptive.

[sarisataka]

57. I believe the massacre was still in progress

While people began defending the terrorists with the "but Israel..."

[krawhitham]

55. Gee I wonder where the outrage over the 4000+ murdered children are.

When you killing more children than enemy combatants you are DOING IT WRONG.

Regroup and DO IT RIGHT, put you big boy pants on and go in the tunnels and get them. Flattening Gaza and killing anything that moves with no other clear path to victory is clearly not working, its just war crimes with a dash of genocide added in

[Patton French]

62. It's a great question.

Some people are more concerned with the terrorists than the victims of the horrific acts on 7 Oct. bizarre. And yes, those things did happen.

[Raine]

65. I do too. 😪 nt

[Joinfortmill]

66. Make no mistake, Hamas are brutal beasts to everyone. Everyone.