Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Donkees

(32,423 posts)
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 08:20 AM Nov 2023

CNN analysis: Video suggests IDF might have rearranged weaponry at Al-Shifa prior to international news crew visits

From CNN’s Katie Polglase and Gianluca Mezzofiore

An Israel Defense Forces (IDF) video on November 15 showing a tour of Hamas weaponry found at Al-Shifa hospital shows less weaponry at the scene than in later footage filmed by international news crews, indicating the weaponry may have been moved or placed there prior to news crews arriving.

CNN compared footage published by the IDF online with footage taken by Fox News which was granted access to the site in the hours afterwards. IDF spokesperson Lt. Col. Jonathan Conricus leads the tour in the IDF video and a watch on his arm shows the time to be 13:18.

Fox News Foreign Correspondent Trey Yingst later visits the scene when it is dark. He says in his report it is “the middle of the night.” Yingst is shown a bag located behind an MRI machine inside the hospital with two AK-47 guns visible on top of it. However, the IDF video filmed earlier shows only one AK-47 gun. It is unclear where the second AK-47 gun came from and why it is not visible in the earlier IDF clip.

In the intervening hours, the IDF also posted online a photo of the weaponry purportedly found at Al-Shifa hospital. The WhatsApp file name for this photo indicates it was taken at 17:35; this places it after the IDF tour of the MRI compound but almost certainly before the Fox News crew arrive.

It is possible the weaponry was removed from the scene and replaced prior to the news crews arriving. However this does not explain why more guns are visible when the press arrive than in the original IDF video. The BBC was also granted access to the hospital the following day, November 16, and two AK-47 guns are still visible on top of the bag inside the MRI room.

CNN has reached out to the IDF for clarification on the apparent discrepancy but has not received a response.

https://www.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-11-18-23/index.html
20 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
CNN analysis: Video suggests IDF might have rearranged weaponry at Al-Shifa prior to international news crew visits (Original Post) Donkees Nov 2023 OP
Unbelievable! As search of the hospital was ongoing, new weapons were found Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #1
It seems the IDF... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #2
Of course. Just surprised news orgs are talking about it. David__77 Nov 2023 #3
Oh My malaise Nov 2023 #4
Well, the IDF is engaged in heavy fighting around the hospitals, likely with the patients! mymomwasright Nov 2023 #5
This is beginning to smell like ... PSPS Nov 2023 #6
IDF Intelligence-based 3D Diagram Video: Donkees Nov 2023 #7
The IDF BETTER be right about this. GuppyGal Nov 2023 #8
Good lord obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #11
The "Bin Laden fortress" thing was also purportedly "intelligence-based" PSPS Nov 2023 #18
Perhaps Fox new provided the extra weapons for the interview. Autumn Nov 2023 #9
The conspiracy theorists never sleep, I see NickB79 Nov 2023 #12
Some people get salty as fuck when Hamas gets bad press. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #13
Holy Toledo RainWalker Nov 2023 #14
Really, why were there any AK-47s inside hospital? For God sake Walleye Nov 2023 #15
That question never gets answered sarisataka Nov 2023 #16
Absolutely RainWalker Nov 2023 #19
Release all the hostages Mossfern Nov 2023 #17
Hamas did move hostages through this hospital LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #20

Beastly Boy

(11,249 posts)
1. Unbelievable! As search of the hospital was ongoing, new weapons were found
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 08:43 AM
Nov 2023

Who would have thought this was possible?

More weapons as time went on is totally predictable. I would only question if there were fewer weapons on display as time went on.

Think. Again.

(18,570 posts)
2. It seems the IDF...
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 08:44 AM
Nov 2023

...is going out of their way to provide media visuals during a very harrowing time.

Was the IDF really more concerned about the media getting pictures of the guns than they were about leaving those guns lying around in a working hospital struggling under chaotic and severe conditions?

mymomwasright

(371 posts)
5. Well, the IDF is engaged in heavy fighting around the hospitals, likely with the patients!
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 08:52 AM
Nov 2023

Because that is their primary goal!

Response to Donkees (Reply #7)

PSPS

(14,171 posts)
18. The "Bin Laden fortress" thing was also purportedly "intelligence-based"
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 01:12 PM
Nov 2023

Plus, it's worth noting that Bibi is "Israel's trump." So there's that, too. Right-wing crooks aren't exactly the most reliable or trustworthy people.

NickB79

(19,654 posts)
12. The conspiracy theorists never sleep, I see
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 11:28 AM
Nov 2023

Simple answer: they found, and are still finding, more weapons as they search a massive building complex. Most likely, they're STILL searching it.

Let me guess: the bodies of the two dead hostages they found at Al Shifa were also planted?

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
14. Holy Toledo
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 11:53 AM
Nov 2023
Yingst is shown a bag located behind an MRI machine inside the hospital with two AK-47 guns visible on top of it. However, the IDF video filmed earlier shows only one AK-47 gun. It is unclear where the second AK-47 gun came from and why it is not visible in the earlier IDF clip.


Wow.

sarisataka

(21,211 posts)
16. That question never gets answered
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 12:24 PM
Nov 2023

Since the appropriate number of AK 47s in a hospital is zero.

Much like how could the staff not know Hamas has taken over the MRI unit?

 

RainWalker

(605 posts)
19. Absolutely
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 03:05 PM
Nov 2023

But it's also a bit questionable why were they placed directly in the field of a gigantic magnet; an MRI machine.

It's a bit strange. There's horror stories about guns and MRI machines. IIRC there was a right winger who took his AR-15 into one and was disemboweled. But then again my memory isn't the best.

There is this example however, one of several https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/lawyer-dies-hidden-gun-goes-182941782.html]

Mossfern

(3,210 posts)
17. Release all the hostages
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 12:29 PM
Nov 2023

alive, and dead for proper burial.
Hamas is to blame here.

Hamas can end this.
Some people here are either being side tracked, or have an agenda.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»CNN analysis: Video sugge...