Times of Israel: Video shows Israeli hostages being brought in to Al Shifaa hospital

[brooklynite]

Link to tweet

(Multiple tweets/clips)

[Sal_NV]

1. This ought to be interesting, now there's video proof of Hamas using this hospital

for purposes other than medical treatment.
Let the debate begin.

[Bad Thoughts]

13. The debate is over

The hospital staff was not forced to accommodate Hamas, it was complicit in the abductions. Al Shifa was not just a place where fighters hid, but a place from which their operations were carried out.

[Sal_NV]

16. Oh I know,

I was just being facetious.

[mymomwasright]

2. What? No Way!

[mcar]

3. What these people have been through

and all the hatred Hamas has engendered. I await the doubters' responses.

[Sal_NV]

4. In 3.2.1.

[RainWalker]

5. Wow there's a ton of stuff in that thread

Did you see this?

Link to tweet

[CincyDem]

8. Damn...beat me to it.

[FBaggins]

72. That one is different in relevant ways

Assuming that it's an Israeli captive, the person was clearly heavily wounded in the attack. Hamas can't legally abduct him, not can they hold him hostage (in or out of the hospital)... but they are required to provide essential medical care. So a gurney with a wounded captive on it probably doesn't add weight to the mountain of evidence that Hamas misused Al Shifa

Though it would probably make more sense to see that at the Indonesian hospital

[RainWalker]

79. That didn't even occur to me

[LeftInTX]

88. Neither of these two were Israelis. One was from Nepal, the other was from Thailand.

[LeftInTX]

74. Hamas response. If this wasn't so tragic, it would be a joke.

BREAKING: HAMAS OFFICIAL STATEMENT EXPOSING ISRAEL ON AL- SHIFA HOSPITAL

Izzat Al-Rishq;

"Regarding what the spokesman for the terrorist enemy army said about the arrival of prisoners of the occupation to Al-Shifa Hospital, we said early on that the resistance transferred many prisoners of the occupation to hospitals to receive treatment and undergo surgical operations, especially after some of them were injured as a result of the occupation’s aircraft bombing them.

We risked our fighters to guarantee the injured prisoners the best treatment. Possible in hospitals in the Gaza Strip.

We have published many pictures about this; Now their army spokesman presents it as if they have discovered something great.

What the spokesman for the occupation army says completely condemns them. These are points that are recorded for us and not for us.

Taking care of the prisoners, treating them, and giving them possible medical care is a point for us and not for us."

Link to tweet

[RainWalker]

77. Thanks for sharing this

[CincyDem]

6. The entire thread of videos on X is even more conclusive.

But I’m sure the silence will be deafening.

What’s the phrase…a lie makes it twice around the world before the truth gets its shoes on.

Looks like some truth got laced up.

[sarisataka]

7. I can't wait to see

how this will be hand waved away...

[Tomconroy]

9. And the medical people said nothing!

Unfucking believable.

[Sal_NV]

10. Honestly, what could they say?

Hamas would have probably shot them.
I'm at odds trying to figure out why Hamas didn't destroy the video before IDF forces arrived.

[Tomconroy]

14. More likely, they are supporters of hamas.

[Sal_NV]

17. No doubt anymore about that.

[brooklynite]

18. Per another tweet, a number are foreign workers

[JI7]

76. Even foreign workers can be supporters

or anti Israel that they are willing to cover for them.

[sarisataka]

12. Worse, they did say something

They said over and over they said they never saw any sign of Hamas in the hospital

[GuppyGal]

11. If you were a terrorist would you not embed yourself among the most sensitive civilian establishments?

It's common sense for fucks sake ! !!!

[LexVegas]

15. Silence from the propaganda crew? nt

[Azathoth]

19. What is this supposed to show?

In the first clip, a band of armed men dragging what appears to be a hostage burst into the hospital while unarmed hospital staff jump out of the way. In the second clip, they seem to be loading one of their own, who is wounded and bleeding, on a stretcher and rushing him into a treatment room.

At best, these clips seem to show that one of the armed gangs that attacked Israel suffered casualties and rushed their pal to the hospital with a hostage in tow.

Claiming this proves the hospital is "run by terrorists" and somehow a legitimate military target is beyond deranged.

[Tomconroy]

20. The victim was id'd as a hostage by Israel.

Is there no excuse for hamas that you will not make?

[Azathoth]

21. The one rushed into the treatment room on a gurney?

So Hamas brought a wounded hostage to the hospital?

[Tomconroy]

22. No. There is no excuse you will not make for hamas.

Hostages were murdered on the grounds of the hospital.

[Tomconroy]

31. Why did you claim in post 19 that the person

On the stretcher wasn't a hostage?
You were inventing hamas propaganda.

[Azathoth]

39. Because nowhere did it say he was a hostage, genius

The only apparent hostage was the guy being dragged along in the first clip.

And, frankly, I assumed that video evidence of Hamas rushing a wounded hostage into a hospital, putting him on a gurney and rushing him into a treatment room would undermine your narrative. My mistake was in assuming there was some kind of rational case being made here.

[LeftInTX]

48. It's in the Times of Israel

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/surveillance-footage-shows-hamas-bringing-hostages-into-shifa-hospital-on-oct-7/


The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center.

One of the hostages is visibly wounded in his arm and is brought on a hospital bed, while the second is forcefully dragged into the hospital.

“These findings prove that the Hamas terror organization used Shifa Hospital on the day of the massacre itself as terror infrastructure,” the IDF says.

In an evening press conference, IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says the two wounded hostages were later taken by Hamas to hideouts, and that the Red Cross was unable to visit them. He says their locations are currently unknown.

[LeftInTX]

29. Both are hostages

One is from Nepal (one on the gurney).

The one walking is from Thailand.

What's telling: All the men surrounding them are armed to the teeth.

[Azathoth]

36. Why is that telling?

They just launched an attack, then apparently rushed one of the wounded hostages straight to a hospital for treatment.

You would have preferred them to stop by a (non-existent) military base first to drop off their weapons, shower, change clothes and debrief before taking the bleeding hostage to a hospital?

Nothing I'm pointing out in any way justifies or excuses the Hamas attack. On the other hand, it seems some people are using these rather underwhelming clips to justify classifying a freakin hospital as a legitimate military target. This kind of "evidence" makes the "evidence" Putin used to declare Ukraine run by Nazis seem sane and rock solid by comparison.

[Nanjeanne]

44. It's a losing battle. No one on DU excuses the Hamas terrorist attack. But anything beyond a

knee jerk reaction is accused of being a Hamas sympathizer. It’s actually sickening - especially to me as a Jew with family in Israel.

[LeftInTX]

50. Well, they were finally able to get CCTV footage. As to whether it is worth all the bombs, is another issue.

I don't think Al Shifa would have handed over the CCTV footage if the IDF was not there.

Shifa could have sent it weeks ago, but they didn't. So, IDF took over the hospital and found evidence.

Now, they have proof of abduction and maybe can find their whereabouts.
I know they're not in the hospital and doubt they were held captive there.

But the hospital did not really aid in the investigation either. "Oh Hamas wasn't here" It's pretty obvious they were there.

[Beastly Boy]

66. Understandably, you appear to be certain of the presence of both Hamas militants and hostages in the hospital.

Either one constitutes the non-medical use of hospital facilities in the course of military conflict. Either one constitutes a war crime and renders the protections ordinarily given to hospitals under the Geneva conventions null and void. Either one makes the hospital a legitimate military target.

This leads me to conclude that you consider the Al Shifa hospital a legitimate military target. Am i wrong?

[Beastly Boy]

43. So Hamas just walked into the hospital?

With the hostages? But... but... Hamas denies ever being there, and denies the hostages were there!

[Azathoth]

47. Hamas denies hostages were held captive in the hospital

Which may or may not be true, but which these clips don't really clarify since I'm pretty sure they claimed at one point that some wounded hostages were taken for treatment. A claim that was of course mocked at the time by the same people now eager to bomb a hospital.

[revmclaren]

58. Hamas denies???

Were listening to Hamas terrorists now on DU? Taking them seriously?

WOW! Anything in a storm ...

[mcar]

67. Oh well if Hamas denies it then it must be true

Holy sweet jeebus on CCTV. I cannot believe what I read here sometimes.

[LexVegas]

23. There it is. nt

[Sal_NV]

28. Right on cue,

I'm surprised it took this long.

[sarisataka]

25. And Theresienstadt was just a spa camp

To allow the elderly to live out their lives in comfort...
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/theresienstadt

[Nanjeanne]

26. It was reported quite a while ago by Al Quassam Brigade that hostages were taken to hospital for treatment.

The date of 10/7 shows that date. So this shows what was previously reported, that hostages were taken to the hospital for treatment. Which we already knew.

[LexVegas]

27. It was reported by Hamas? Heh. nt

[Nanjeanne]

41. Yes and that's what the video shows. So are you saying you don't believe the video? Very confusing.

[LexVegas]

52. ...

[AloeVera]

84. Confused here too

Yeah it's funny how what they reported turned out to be true. But Hamas always lies so the video must be a fake. I think.

[Tomconroy]

32. How did the world miss that report?

Is there no hamas lie that won't get repeated on DU?

[Nanjeanne]

40. It was reported in a number of places. Where is the lie. I'm stating that the video shows

what we were told. Hostages were taken to the hospital. So where’s the lie. The tweet shows confirmation that there were hostages taken to the hospital.

You are accusing me of agreeing with the video? It shows exactly that.

[mcar]

69. Apparently not

[lapucelle]

63. Do you have a link to the report? Isn't the Al Quassam Brigade the branch of Hamas that carries out the torture,

rape, murder, and desecration of bodies?

[Nanjeanne]

70. Sorry I don't. My cousins and I discussed it when I spoke with them on Friday - I believe it was in Jerusalem Post

but I can't be sure. But what difference does it make to you?

No one is disputing Hamas is a terrorist organization or saying Al Quassam Brigade is a troop of boy scouts so I don't get your point. Simply put - the video shows some people (hostages) being brought to the hospital in the front door by armed people (Hamas) - and that is what was said by Hamas on Friday according to my family when we talked who had read it in a newspaper (I believe Jerusalem Post). It could have been reported elsewhere.

That's what the video shows - although the clock shows 4 pm and the CCTV footage shows around 11 AM - but forgetting that - let's all agree that's what the video shows. I agree that's what it shows. I can't speculate that what it shows means the hospital was a command center for Hamas operations. I don't see that in the video.

[lapucelle]

73. What does it matter to me? I'd like to see the reports from "quite a while ago"

saying that the Hamas terrorists brought hostages to the Al Shifa hospital on October 7.

Did the Health Ministry report on it as well?

[Tomconroy]

81. Ah. The claims about the clock.

Grabbed straight from Hamas propaganda on xitter. Just like the hospital treatment was announced claim.

[sarisataka]

82. A close observation of the video

Would note the second hand of the clock is not moving... It still probably shows the same time today

[LeftInTX]

83. Clock is broken. Unfortunately, clocks are becoming a relic these days.

[Nanjeanne]

92. Ah that explains it. Thanks

[Disaffected]

30. I dunno what is actually happening in the two videos but

I also see no indication therein that both those brought in were hostages. I also see nothing in the videos that those who brought the two in were armed or Hamas terrorists.

Where's the beef??

[LeftInTX]

33. Well, one is literally being dragged in and it appears to be against their will

Person behind them is brandishing a meat cleaver. Everyone is armed.

Link to tweet

/photo/1

Link to tweet

/photo/2

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F_UT9-cW8AAGR31?format=jpg






Looks like a nice crowd!

[Disaffected]

38. I still don't see it.

Yes, it appears the first person is perhaps being forced in (emphasis on the "appears" ).

I've watched the first video several times and still cannot anything being carried that looks like a weapon (including a meat cleaver of all things). Which one has the meat cleaver?

Such "evidence" would never stand in court IMO.

[LeftInTX]

45. Gray tank top. Don't you see the rifles??? You're OK with AR in hospitals???

[Disaffected]

49. Sure but that doesn't look like it came from the second video.

However, looking more closely at the second video, I do see two with guns. I also see someone wounded on the stretcher but no evidence from that video that he is a hostage.

WhoTF said I was "OK" with ARs in hospitals?? Can't we debate this without the cheap shots?

[LeftInTX]

55. You did not acknowledge the guns in the previous post, even though they were there.

[Disaffected]

86. I looked but was mistaken. nt

[Tomconroy]

34. This is satire, right?

[Disaffected]

35. Wrong.

Instead of rude, meaningless responses, do tell where the videos show what was claimed.

If I'm wrong, I'm glad to be shown why.

[Tomconroy]

37. Post 29.

[Disaffected]

42. Post 29 has nothing to do with

what was in the two videos themselves, which is to what I was addressing my comments (whether post 29 is in fact right or wrong).

This is just another rush to judgement IMO based on flimsy "evidence".

We decry right-wing propaganda of the same nature - let's not do it ourselves.

[edisdead]

64. What I see is a ridiculous mockery of the thread

Your responses are disingenuous at best.

[Disaffected]

68. More cheap shots.

Oh well, I guess that is to be expected, at least from some here.

[edisdead]

80. Your troll game is weak.

You’ve purposefully neglected the evidence being shown to you and have baited posters in the thread. There is really only 1 reason to do this and that is to troll a forum. Then when called out on it you play the victim. probably will alert on me for being mean in doing so. It’s a great tactic but that pattern is pretty old school. On the off chance that you aren’t intentionally trolling perhaps it is good that I let you know that is exactly what you are doing.

Cheers!

[Disaffected]

87. Your comprehension of the issue is weak.

As is your depiction of my motives. Just another example of a rush to judgement based on little evidence.

Good day.

[sjr2323]

96. I don't see a murder either. The captions seem to be way off from what is shown on video.

I don't think you could take those two videos in a legitimate court room and plead the charges as stated in the captions. Just me, I guess?

[TheProle]

62. Deranged.... Heh

Go to 6:38. The hospital was a camp.

Where does your goalpost move now? “Jewish Media”?

[AloeVera]

97. Did I get this right?

According to the IDF statement:
Hostage Noa Marcian was injured during an IDF strike on the building in which she was held. The strike killed her captor. She suffered non-life threatening injuries, according to an independent pathologist.

After the strike, she was taken by the terrorists to the hospital and killed there, according to concrete IDF intelligence information.

Not addressed in this video but according to IDF statements earlier in the week, her body was found in a building adjacent to the hospital. It appears then that after killing her in the hospital, the terrorists moved her body outside the hospital.

[Behind the Aegis]

46. Oh please!

Were they wearing uniforms? No! Did they have signs saying they are Hamas? No! Were they providing health care? Yes! So it couldn't be Hamas. Did the hostages hold up newspapers? No! So, not really hostages.



for those that need the tag!

[mcar]

71. Yes! Poor, noble, misunderstood Hamas

just taking those poor wounded people, who obviously fell or something because Hamas totally had nothing to do with it, into the hospital for care. Dragging one? No, no, just tenderly helping him, that's all.

Weapons? What weapons? Even if they are weapons, someone upthread said they were AR-15s but I bet you don't know what AR stands for so whatever they are carrying is irrelevant.

Besides, Hamas denies it all so, really, it's the IDF who are being big meanies to Hamas.

[revmclaren]

51. Masks have really been coming off.

Deny evidence...dont believe your lying eyes...

The silence is deafening from usually voluminous posters.

Short straws drawn?

As more comes out I see many fading into the background across the internet.

IMHO of course.

[LexVegas]

53. Hamas were taking the hostages to the hospital for treatment. Nothing to see here. nt

[revmclaren]

54. Thats it. They were armed with rifles

and weapons simply to make the hostages...I mean patients feel safe.


Some posts in this thread are unbelievable.

[Nixie]

56. The guy with the meat cleaver must be the surgeon.

They're always running around with meat cleavers trying to help, so it must be that.

[revmclaren]

57. Meat cleavers are standared surgical tools doncha know.

Waiting for someone to explain this away.

[Tomconroy]

59. Actually we have no idea what was done to those hostages

Torture, murder?

[revmclaren]

65. Being Hamas, probably both Unfortunately.

[Ace Rothstein]

60. Have we heard from the UN, WHO or MSF on this yet?

I'm guessing we won't.

[LeftInTX]

94. ICRC...There is so much going on with this video....

Looks like the guy in shorts came in on an ambulance stretcher. They appear to have access to an area where other people just don't get sudden access, especially with the hostage being dragged in. Within a couple of minutes of running through the front door, they're already behind secure fire doors in a treatment area. No waiting required.

Then, the International Committee of the Red Cross was supposed to be notified. Didn't happen here.

[LeftInTX]

75. When you're pals with MAGAT Nick Fuentes

PALESTINE ISRAEL | CENSORSHIP & BANNING OF PRO-PAL W/ NICK FUENTES

Link to tweet

These Christian Nationalists and Hamas BFFs deserve each other. Maybe John Hagee can go support Hamas now.

[Jedi Guy]

78. The usual suspects are nowhere to be found on this thread. Very curious, that.

All those folks who just couldn't believe Hamas would have personnel in a hospital and that the IDF was right.

[AloeVera]

85. Sorry I was delayed.

Bit late to the news. Can you catch me up on how it has been proven Hamas has personnel in the hospital?

[revmclaren]

93. CNN is now carrying the story, but Hamas

and the Palestinian Authority (the ones who are calling the slaughter of innocent men, women, and babies a Israeli false flag) are of course denying it.

Give it a day or two. I'm sure there will much more proof to deny.

[GuppyGal]

95. They found a Home Sweet Home sign hung by a tunnel - besides the dead mutilated hostages found nearby

[lapucelle]

89. Some folks on twitter don't believe what the CCTV footage clearly shows.

[Jedi Guy]

90. Some folks right here on DU don't believe it.

See post #85. I laughed, hopefully you will, too.

[lapucelle]

91. I wonder what the hostage being dragged down a hall with a meat cleaver at his back

was being treated at the hospital for.

[Jedi Guy]

98. An acute case of hostagitis.

God bless those good-hearted Hamas fellows for taking such good care of him. They're such nice people. I can't imagine why those mean old Israelis dislike them so much.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

99. Haven't doctors there sworn up and down that they never saw Hamas there?

So... were they lying?