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Tom of Temecula

(1,632 posts)
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 11:37 AM Nov 2023

'Beyond my comprehension': Former Trump official shocked that anyone still supports him

Many former Trump administration officials believe the former president is unfit to hold public office again — and cannot comprehend why he still has a large fanbase of voters prepared to elect him, reportedThe Washington Post on Monday.

"Among their reasons for opposing a second Trump term, they cite the 91 criminal charges against him, his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, his false claims of election fraud, his incendiary rhetoric in office, his desire to weaponize the Justice Department, hischaotic management style, his likely personnel choices in a second term, and his affinity for dictators," noted Post reporter Josh Dawsey.

One of these former aides is retired Gen. John Kelly, who previously served as Secretary of Homeland Security and White House chief of staff. He helped implement some of Trump's harsh anti-immigration policies in the beginning — but now believes his former boss getting back into office would be a disaster.

“What’s going on in the country that a single person thinks this guy would still be a good president when he’s said the things he’s said and done the things he’s done? It’s beyond my comprehension he has the support he has,” he said in a recent interview, adding, “I came out and told people the awful things he said about wounded soldiers, and it didn’t have half a day’s bounce. You had his attorney general Bill Barr come out, and not a half a day’s bounce. If anything, his numbers go up. It might even move the needle in the wrong direction. I think we’re in a dangerous zone in our country.”

https://www.rawstory.com/john-kelly-trump-2666309900/

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'Beyond my comprehension': Former Trump official shocked that anyone still supports him (Original Post) Tom of Temecula Nov 2023 OP
You should have come out in real time. The fascist party is trying to overthrow the government and end democracy. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #1
Ya cilla4progress Nov 2023 #2
As we all know, his supporters don't believe any of that. NCIndie Nov 2023 #3
Perversely, the worse TFG gets, the more his base supports him. Ocelot II Nov 2023 #4
their overlords throw plenty of money WhiteTara Nov 2023 #11
Base loves TFG Seinan Sensei Nov 2023 #21
I've posted it before ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #25
Welcome to the party, pal! TwilightZone Nov 2023 #5
I'm shocked that anybody ever did support him. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #6
The exact same sentence leaped to mind... 3catwoman3 Nov 2023 #15
You helped put us in that dangerous zone, John. tanyev Nov 2023 #7
These people should have spoken out during Trump's presidency. Lonestarblue Nov 2023 #8
And he mocked Democrats for that first impeachment effort. shrike3 Nov 2023 #30
That kind of support isn't organic there are media resources tilting the scale to make Benedict Donald viable uponit7771 Nov 2023 #9
Yep, and Fascist Oligarch eXtremists propaganda network is not alone Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #31
asshat UpInArms Nov 2023 #10
Trump support is a mental disorder. nt hay rick Nov 2023 #12
Those who support him are still inside the bubble. For me, it shows the size of the right wind media hate sphere. Mr. Sparkle Nov 2023 #13
Gee, John, perhaps if you had been more forthcoming Warpy Nov 2023 #14
There's one thing for sure. chouchou Nov 2023 #16
When a movement spends 50 years spinning a particular narrative... Caliman73 Nov 2023 #17
Not too late: Money well spent if an outlet gets three serious former staff members, such as Kelly, to wiggs Nov 2023 #18
Perhaps Kelly, Luttig, Bolton on a panel for an hour? nt wiggs Nov 2023 #20
If the foul one wins, I hope they are the first executed. Wonder Why Nov 2023 #19
"I propped up a cult and now can't comprehend why the cult members won't listen to reason." meadowlander Nov 2023 #22
Now he says that. totodeinhere Nov 2023 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Nov 2023 #24
Anyone who doesn't vote or voted third party is voting for Trump, just like the jackasses did in 2016 JohnSJ Nov 2023 #26
John, that's how most people feel about turds like you who served in his admin. RockRaven Nov 2023 #27
because, kelly, you covered for him when Americans really needed to hear the truth. You empowered ecstatic Nov 2023 #28
Beyond comprehension? czarjak Nov 2023 #29
 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
1. You should have come out in real time. The fascist party is trying to overthrow the government and end democracy.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 11:41 AM
Nov 2023

cilla4progress

(26,526 posts)
2. Ya
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 11:43 AM
Nov 2023

think??!

I'll never understand why it took those like Kelly so long to see the truth of this monster...

NCIndie

(556 posts)
3. As we all know, his supporters don't believe any of that.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 11:47 AM
Nov 2023

They think he is a fine mine with a few, forgivable flaws who has their best interests at heart.

Absolutely nothing can sway them.

Gratefully, Trump never stops pandering to lower dregs. Most voters are not paying much attention to him or the news. When election day approaches, centrist voters will flock away from him.

Ocelot II

(131,252 posts)
4. Perversely, the worse TFG gets, the more his base supports him.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 12:05 PM
Nov 2023

I think it has to do with the fact that people hate to have to acknowledge that they were wrong, so once they've previously accepted TFG's basic awfulness, subsequently rejecting him would be an acknowledgment that they were wrong in the first place. So instead they dig in their heels. Once you've supported the terrible things TFG has done in the past - and the list is long - how do you get off the train? They've accepted p***y-grabbing, putting children in cages, stealing classified documents, banned Muslims, calling veterans losers, giving classified information to the Russian ambassador, trying to extort Ukraine, trying to overturn an election, and on and on. If you finally get off the train now, you're implicitly saying you were OK with those things when he did them.

WhiteTara

(31,279 posts)
11. their overlords throw plenty of money
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 01:45 PM
Nov 2023

at the situation to make sure they stay blind drunk with rage at the inequity of their lives and how those uppity whatevers are getting all the good stuff. Then hoodwink them with scam too good to be true things on the internet so for a minute they think they got the lottery and the next minute it's some something or other stole from me and the cycle begins anew.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
25. I've posted it before
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 10:23 PM
Nov 2023

But someone said what you just did, once upon a time:

One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back.

― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
5. Welcome to the party, pal!
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 12:36 PM
Nov 2023

Many of us have thought that since the day he walked down the escalator.

3catwoman3

(29,810 posts)
15. The exact same sentence leaped to mind...
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 02:07 PM
Nov 2023

…the moment I read the OP.

It’s frighteningly disheartening that so many Americans are so gullible.

Lonestarblue

(13,561 posts)
8. These people should have spoken out during Trump's presidency.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 01:00 PM
Nov 2023

But the one I hold most at fault for not helping to convict Trump in his first impeachment trial is John Bolton. Republicans carried on a sham trial, but Bolton could have gone public and encouraged the Senate to convict and prevent Trump from holding office again. Instead he saved his knowledge of how terrible Trump is for his book. He is a traitor to democracy.

Edited to add: Along with every senate Republican who voted to give him a free pass after his impeachment for January 6.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
9. That kind of support isn't organic there are media resources tilting the scale to make Benedict Donald viable
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 01:01 PM
Nov 2023

Hermit-The-Prog

(36,631 posts)
31. Yep, and Fascist Oligarch eXtremists propaganda network is not alone
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 11:53 PM
Nov 2023

Musk ( aka Space Nazi ), Sinclair, Koch, Mercer -- there is a gang of billionaires in the background. Conglomerated main stream media doesn't help a bit, either, because lots of the filthy rich think they will be richer without that pesky democracy in the way.

UpInArms

(55,393 posts)
10. asshat
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 01:36 PM
Nov 2023

why did you not speak out when you were giving him everything?

freak ...

I hate General John Kelly, the chickenshit

Mr. Sparkle

(3,725 posts)
13. Those who support him are still inside the bubble. For me, it shows the size of the right wind media hate sphere.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 01:59 PM
Nov 2023

Warpy

(114,681 posts)
14. Gee, John, perhaps if you had been more forthcoming
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 02:02 PM
Nov 2023

about who he really is and what his pResidency was really all about, there would ge fewer people in the cult right now.

Your silence has identified you as a large part of the problem.

chouchou

(3,314 posts)
16. There's one thing for sure.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 02:29 PM
Nov 2023

When I go shopping, food/malls or wherever, my outlook on other citizens has changed.
It reminds me of some Grade B, 1950's movie "They walk among you"

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
17. When a movement spends 50 years spinning a particular narrative...
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 02:31 PM
Nov 2023

why would anyone be surprised that certain people would follow that narrative to its extremes?

This is parallel with the rise of other authoritarian movements and regimes, including Franco, Mussolini, and Hitler. Conservative movements, which represent a very small group of wealthy people, often try to use populist rhetoric and racial, gendered, ethnic, or other biased language and grievances to consolidate power. When a charismatic speaker gains a following, they try to manipulate and use them to remain in power, but when you start moving toward the extreme, you either have to go with it to the end, or you have to disavow it and hope that you can stop it, but simultaneously, you destroy your own chances to stay in power.

I know that people want to think that there is such a thing as a moderate conservative, and yes, historically there was a limit for Conservatives, however they have edged closer and closer to their current situation for some time. Fundamentally, conservatives want the same power structure as more extreme right wing groups, it is the "who" at the top that varies. given enough time, Conservatives will arrive at authoritarianism, it is built into their ideology.

wiggs

(8,857 posts)
18. Not too late: Money well spent if an outlet gets three serious former staff members, such as Kelly, to
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 02:35 PM
Nov 2023

sit down for an interview together and talk about the dangers of another Trump presidency. it would be money well spent by someone or some organizations interested in democracy.

Or interview them separately and create an add buy that plays 24/7 of former cabinet members and respected gop luminaries talking honestly about his limitations, sociopathy, and dangerous ambitions. THIS SHOULDN'T BE HARD to use daily lies, threats, misbehavior to make a difference. Irresponsible not to!

Need a national audience. can't let the right leaning outlets define him as they wish. Does no good for Rawstory or MSNBC to run this info...

Even if corporate media is reluctant, there are ways to do it!

totodeinhere

(13,688 posts)
23. Now he says that.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 03:28 PM
Nov 2023

Where was he when he was Trump's chief of staff helping Trump to enable his policies? He is much too late to the party for me. Screw him.

Response to Tom of Temecula (Original post)

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
26. Anyone who doesn't vote or voted third party is voting for Trump, just like the jackasses did in 2016
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 10:26 PM
Nov 2023

RockRaven

(19,755 posts)
27. John, that's how most people feel about turds like you who served in his admin.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 10:31 PM
Nov 2023

Because from before he was ever sworn in, before he ever ran, everyone who bothered to pay attention knew exactly what kind of self-centered ignorant moral monster he is. What the hell is wrong with you that you ever worked for that guy for a single minute?

ecstatic

(35,135 posts)
28. because, kelly, you covered for him when Americans really needed to hear the truth. You empowered
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 10:44 PM
Nov 2023

and enabled him for years. Had you yanked the cord then, we might not be at this point right now.

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