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Many former Trump administration officials believe the former president is unfit to hold public office again and cannot comprehend why he still has a large fanbase of voters prepared to elect him, reportedThe Washington Post on Monday.
"Among their reasons for opposing a second Trump term, they cite the 91 criminal charges against him, his attempts to overturn the 2020 election, his false claims of election fraud, his incendiary rhetoric in office, his desire to weaponize the Justice Department, hischaotic management style, his likely personnel choices in a second term, and his affinity for dictators," noted Post reporter Josh Dawsey.
One of these former aides is retired Gen. John Kelly, who previously served as Secretary of Homeland Security and White House chief of staff. He helped implement some of Trump's harsh anti-immigration policies in the beginning but now believes his former boss getting back into office would be a disaster.
Whats going on in the country that a single person thinks this guy would still be a good president when hes said the things hes said and done the things hes done? Its beyond my comprehension he has the support he has, he said in a recent interview, adding, I came out and told people the awful things he said about wounded soldiers, and it didnt have half a days bounce. You had his attorney general Bill Barr come out, and not a half a days bounce. If anything, his numbers go up. It might even move the needle in the wrong direction. I think were in a dangerous zone in our country.
https://www.rawstory.com/john-kelly-trump-2666309900/
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)cilla4progress
(26,526 posts)think??!
I'll never understand why it took those like Kelly so long to see the truth of this monster...
NCIndie
(556 posts)They think he is a fine mine with a few, forgivable flaws who has their best interests at heart.
Absolutely nothing can sway them.
Gratefully, Trump never stops pandering to lower dregs. Most voters are not paying much attention to him or the news. When election day approaches, centrist voters will flock away from him.
Ocelot II
(131,242 posts)I think it has to do with the fact that people hate to have to acknowledge that they were wrong, so once they've previously accepted TFG's basic awfulness, subsequently rejecting him would be an acknowledgment that they were wrong in the first place. So instead they dig in their heels. Once you've supported the terrible things TFG has done in the past - and the list is long - how do you get off the train? They've accepted p***y-grabbing, putting children in cages, stealing classified documents, banned Muslims, calling veterans losers, giving classified information to the Russian ambassador, trying to extort Ukraine, trying to overturn an election, and on and on. If you finally get off the train now, you're implicitly saying you were OK with those things when he did them.
WhiteTara
(31,279 posts)at the situation to make sure they stay blind drunk with rage at the inequity of their lives and how those uppity whatevers are getting all the good stuff. Then hoodwink them with scam too good to be true things on the internet so for a minute they think they got the lottery and the next minute it's some something or other stole from me and the cycle begins anew.
Seinan Sensei
(1,645 posts)because TFG hates the things they hate
TFG hates the people they hate
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)But someone said what you just did, once upon a time:
― Carl Sagan, The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)Many of us have thought that since the day he walked down the escalator.
republianmushroom
(22,724 posts)34 months and counting
3catwoman3
(29,809 posts)
the moment I read the OP.
Its frighteningly disheartening that so many Americans are so gullible.
tanyev
(49,688 posts)Lonestarblue
(13,561 posts)But the one I hold most at fault for not helping to convict Trump in his first impeachment trial is John Bolton. Republicans carried on a sham trial, but Bolton could have gone public and encouraged the Senate to convict and prevent Trump from holding office again. Instead he saved his knowledge of how terrible Trump is for his book. He is a traitor to democracy.
Edited to add: Along with every senate Republican who voted to give him a free pass after his impeachment for January 6.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)Big grin on his face.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)Musk ( aka Space Nazi ), Sinclair, Koch, Mercer -- there is a gang of billionaires in the background. Conglomerated main stream media doesn't help a bit, either, because lots of the filthy rich think they will be richer without that pesky democracy in the way.
UpInArms
(55,378 posts)why did you not speak out when you were giving him everything?
freak ...
I hate General John Kelly, the chickenshit
hay rick
(9,724 posts)Mr. Sparkle
(3,725 posts)Warpy
(114,676 posts)about who he really is and what his pResidency was really all about, there would ge fewer people in the cult right now.
Your silence has identified you as a large part of the problem.
chouchou
(3,313 posts)When I go shopping, food/malls or wherever, my outlook on other citizens has changed.
It reminds me of some Grade B, 1950's movie "They walk among you"
Caliman73
(11,767 posts)why would anyone be surprised that certain people would follow that narrative to its extremes?
This is parallel with the rise of other authoritarian movements and regimes, including Franco, Mussolini, and Hitler. Conservative movements, which represent a very small group of wealthy people, often try to use populist rhetoric and racial, gendered, ethnic, or other biased language and grievances to consolidate power. When a charismatic speaker gains a following, they try to manipulate and use them to remain in power, but when you start moving toward the extreme, you either have to go with it to the end, or you have to disavow it and hope that you can stop it, but simultaneously, you destroy your own chances to stay in power.
I know that people want to think that there is such a thing as a moderate conservative, and yes, historically there was a limit for Conservatives, however they have edged closer and closer to their current situation for some time. Fundamentally, conservatives want the same power structure as more extreme right wing groups, it is the "who" at the top that varies. given enough time, Conservatives will arrive at authoritarianism, it is built into their ideology.
wiggs
(8,851 posts)sit down for an interview together and talk about the dangers of another Trump presidency. it would be money well spent by someone or some organizations interested in democracy.
Or interview them separately and create an add buy that plays 24/7 of former cabinet members and respected gop luminaries talking honestly about his limitations, sociopathy, and dangerous ambitions. THIS SHOULDN'T BE HARD to use daily lies, threats, misbehavior to make a difference. Irresponsible not to!
Need a national audience. can't let the right leaning outlets define him as they wish. Does no good for Rawstory or MSNBC to run this info...
Even if corporate media is reluctant, there are ways to do it!
wiggs
(8,851 posts)Wonder Why
(7,235 posts)meadowlander
(5,157 posts)totodeinhere
(13,688 posts)Where was he when he was Trump's chief of staff helping Trump to enable his policies? He is much too late to the party for me. Screw him.
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JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)RockRaven
(19,755 posts)Because from before he was ever sworn in, before he ever ran, everyone who bothered to pay attention knew exactly what kind of self-centered ignorant moral monster he is. What the hell is wrong with you that you ever worked for that guy for a single minute?
ecstatic
(35,135 posts)and enabled him for years. Had you yanked the cord then, we might not be at this point right now.
czarjak
(13,678 posts)Smarter than that General maybe.
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