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CNN's Christiane Amanpour asked former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak about whether he misspoke when, during this interview, he said that bunkers under the Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza were built by Israeli engineers. Barak responds that he didn't misspeak. Amanpour replies: "Okay. That's sort of thrown me a little bit."
Western Media Learning Israel Has Been Lying To Them For Decades
Now, I know that this clip of Christiane Amanpour's interview with former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak is from the infamous anti-Semite
, Sam Seder's show The Majority Report , so take this for what it's worth.
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2naSalit
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lapucelle
(21,061 posts)The tunnels connecting them to other terrorist underground hidey-holes were build by Hamas.
Sam isn't that bright, is he?
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)I suggest you read the other responses to your OP.
When you're done, you should self-delete your OP, because it's nonsense. Seder has no clue what he's talking about.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)I would suggest you watch the Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak interview.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)instead of "the paper of record".
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)
lapucelle
(21,061 posts) 
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)
LexVegas
(6,959 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)And why reporters won’t talk about it
July 29, 2014
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
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Senior Hamas officials in Gaza are hiding out in a "bunker" built by Israel, intelligence officials suspect: Many are believed to be in the basements of the Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City, which was refurbished during Israel's occupation of the Gaza Strip.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090313095323/http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054569.html
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The Israeli military has said Hamas is using a network of tunnels under Gaza's largest hospital, a claim denied by doctors at the medical complex
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/bunkers-gaza-al-shifa-hospital-built-them-2762272
LexVegas
(6,959 posts)Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)smh.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)
OAITW r.2.0
(32,159 posts)Up to news(?) to explain it clearly.
RockRaven
(19,381 posts)They won't learn it because they already know it, and always have.
Because every government lies. Tells half-truths. Misleads. Omits... Israel is not and never has been an exception. Neither is the US.
What is going to happen is that the public is going to learn that western media has been credulously, or lazily, or cynically, or manipulatively, repeating those lies as truths.
Rec
madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)Israel expanded spaces, basically built what are basements to expand the facility. Hamas turned the areas into command posts. This is supposed to be some big lie put over western media?
Ehud Barak was talking about a basement and called it a bunker…or it was a basement turned into a bunker. Shit gets lost in translation.
Sam Seder has always been a self-loathing Jew. And the woman sitting next to him is an idiot: “Lots of hospitals have underground tunnels.” JFC.
I am sick of these Hamas apologists.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)We all know that Ehud Barak said Israel built basements underneath the hospital.
Hamas turned these areas into terrorist command centers.
You are buying into Sam Seder’s bullshit attempt to turn something that was public knowledge into a scandal.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)Unless you know something that's in my mind that I don't know is in my mind.
Many mind readers out tonight.
Hieronymus Phact
(745 posts)Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)You think that my comments disabusing what people think I think is a copout?
How so?
Keep in mind that tarot card readers, palm readers, and astrologers attempt the same mind reading game.
Hieronymus Phact
(745 posts)Post something inflammatory (it's your headline isn't it) and then don't take responsibility: "I'm just posting a video" It's no better than the dishonest "People are saying..." rhetorical device used by fox news. It's just shit-stirring. No mind-reading necessary.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)I also posted the text description that went with it.
That's generally how I start discussions here. I thought it was the way it is done.
Hieronymus Phact
(745 posts)"It's not my headline i just typed it in and posted it, but I'm not responsible for it's clickbait content."
Usually people endorse the point of view of the videos they post, Do you endorse what Seder is saying?
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)So, when people post the crazy from the GOPee on DU, are they endorsing it?
My other comments are generally about the Christiane Amanpour / Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak interview clips.
Aside from a comment about Sam Seder's dyslexia, I think that is pretty clear.
Cop to that.
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Cha
(319,086 posts)Seder's gaslit bullshit.
madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)People are going to write books about it.
Cha
(319,086 posts)know they have willing participants.
On a much larger Scale there's the Traitor who Lies and Gaslights his way to a massive brainwashed cult. 
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Former Prime Minister Barak: Israel built the bunker.
Sam Seder: Israel built the tunnels.
Cha
(319,086 posts)Explain the difference between what Barak said and Seder's Gaslit Spin it..
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)He is confused? It's the translation? He knows the difference?
Maybe it's all three.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)
revmclaren
(2,613 posts)Sea tigers
Sea bears
Oh my....
Some will use any source to bash Israel.
elleng
(141,926 posts)who, I suggest, DUers should watch regularly; she's on PBS every night.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)You are buying into nonsense because it fits into your narrative.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)Do tell.
Many mind readers here tonight.
madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)That makes people think you very much want to believe his spin.
Read through this thread and take in what many have tried to point out and explain. Sam Seder is wrong. He twisted the facts in order to put forth an indictment against Israel.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)Nope. Just responding to the many who didn't watch the Amanpour interview clips.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)And why reporters won’t talk about it
July 29, 2014
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
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Last update - 14:17 12/01/2009
Senior Hamas officials in Gaza are hiding out in a "bunker" built by Israel, intelligence officials suspect: Many are believed to be in the basements of the Shifa Hospital complex in Gaza City, which was refurbished during Israel's occupation of the Gaza Strip.
https://web.archive.org/web/20090313095323/http://haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054569.html
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The Israeli military has said Hamas is using a network of tunnels under Gaza's largest hospital, a claim denied by doctors at the medical complex
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/bunkers-gaza-al-shifa-hospital-built-them-2762272
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)He doesn't need an intern.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)July 29, 2014
The idea that one of Hamas’ main command bunkers is located beneath Shifa Hospital in Gaza City is one of the worst-kept secrets of the Gaza war. So why aren’t reporters in Gaza ferreting it out? The precise location of a large underground bunker equipped with sophisticated communications equipment and housing some part of the leadership of a major terrorist organization beneath a major hospital would seem to qualify as a world-class scoop—the kind that might merit a Pulitzer, or at least a Polk.
So why isn’t the fact that Hamas uses Shifa Hospital as a command post making headlines? In part, it’s because the location is so un-secret that Hamas regularly meets with reporters there. On July 15, for example, William Booth of the Washington Post wrote that the hospital “has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices.” Back in 2006, PBS even aired a documentary showing how gunmen roam the halls of the hospital, intimidate the staff, and deny them access to protected locations within the building—where the camera crew was obviously prohibited from filming. Yet the confirmation that Hamas is using Gaza City’s biggest hospital as its de facto headquarters was made in the last sentence of the eighth paragraph of Booth’s story—which would appear to be the kind of rookie mistake that is known in journalistic parlance as “burying the lede.”
The Israelis are so sure about the location of the Hamas bunker, however, not because they are trying to score propaganda points, or because it has been repeatedly mentioned in passing by Western reporters—but because they built it.
Back in 1983, when Israel still ruled Gaza, they built a secure underground operating room and tunnel network beneath Shifa hospital—which is one among several reasons why Israeli security sources are so sure that there is a main Hamas command bunker in or around the large cement basement beneath the area of Building 2 of the Hospital, which reporters are obviously prohibited from entering.
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
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Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts)He should invest in a thesaurus.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)All of a sudden they're bunkers.
Still, built by Israel.
David__77
(24,731 posts)I found that interesting.
elleng
(141,926 posts)lapucelle
(21,061 posts) Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)Maybe not seem to be. Are.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Maybe someone can forward the pictures of the tunnels to Sam.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Is that what Sam is slandering Israel about? Sam thinks that if there are bunkers then that means there are no tunnels?
The Israel Defense Forces published two images, one showing the open door and the other further inside the tunnel.
Earlier this week, the IDF released footage showing the inside of the tunnel shaft and part of the tunnel. After around 55 meters, the tunnel ended with a blast door, likely protecting Hamas assets below ground.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-breaches-blast-door-in-hamas-tunnel-under-gazas-shifa-hospital/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/11/9/analysis-how-would-israel-find-map-take-and-keep-gazas-tunnels
https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-breaches-blast-door-in-hamas-tunnel-under-gazas-shifa-hospital/
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)It is common knowledge that Israel undertook a major renovation of the Al Shifa hospital in the 1980s:
A significant chapter in Al-Shifa's history unfolded in the 1980s when the hospital underwent a major renovation and expansion project under Israeli administration.
Designed by Israeli architects Gershon Tzapor and Benjamin Edelson, the project aimed to improve living conditions for Gaza residents and foster mutual existence between Jews and Arabs.
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/the-al-shifa-hospital-and-its-history-of-conflict-explained-for-dummies/ar-AA1k1S7q
The Al Shifa you see today was built by Israel. It is natural that Ehud Barak would credit underground structures of the hospital to Israel, and it is inexplicable why Amanpour would be so surprised by this "revelation"
What Hamas did to the underground parts of the hospital in the nearly twenty years after Israel left Gaza is a whole separate question.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)Thanks for not accusing me of hating Israel or Jews. (FTR, I am mishpocha.)
Beastly Boy
(13,283 posts)Just kidding. I know you were just using the header from your source. But I got to give it to you: in the context of Israel's history with Al Shifa, it sounds pretty facetious.
Marcus IM
(3,001 posts)It's as if my OP comment was not read.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...it's good to see the tunnels or bunkers or whatever, that hold the secret location of hamas' "headquarters" or "command centers" or whatever, have been discovered, breached, and are now occupied by Israel (with pictures!), as well as giving Israel access to whatever other hamas locations the tunnels lead to.
This should be the end of the Palestinian civilian deaths now that Israel has captured this infrastructure they were constantly saying was so important to hamas.