Israel Can't Imprison Two Million Gazans Without Paying a Cruel Price (10-9-2023)

[Army Brat]

Behind all this lies Israeli arrogance; the idea that we can do whatever we like, that we’ll never pay the price and be punished for it. We’ll carry on undisturbed.

We’ll arrest, kill, harass, dispossess and protect the settlers busy with their pogroms. We'll visit Joseph’s Tomb, Othniel’s Tomb and Joshua’s Altar in the Palestinian territories, and of course the Temple Mount – over 5,000 Jews on Sukkot alone.

We’ll fire at innocent people, take out people’s eyes and smash their faces, expel, confiscate, rob, grab people from their beds, carry out ethnic cleansing and of course continue with the unbelievable siege of the Gaza Strip, and everything will be all right.

We’ll build a terrifying obstacle around Gaza – the underground wall alone cost 3 billion shekels ($765 million) – and we’ll be safe. We’ll rely on the geniuses of the army's 8200 cyber-intelligence unit and on the Shin Bet security service agents who know everything. They’ll warn us in time.

https://archive.ph/IIxEd

https://archive.ph/IIxEd#selection-841.0-905.293

[TwilightZone]

1. Justifying terrorism.

"Just as the smoky old Palestinian bulldozer tore through the world’s smartest barrier Saturday, it tore away at Israel’s arrogance and complacency."

(snip)

"On Saturday, Israel saw pictures it has never seen before. Palestinian vehicles patrolling its cities, bike riders entering through the Gaza gates. These pictures tear away at that arrogance. The Gaza Palestinians have decided they’re willing to pay any price for a moment of freedom. Is there any hope in that? No. Will Israel learn its lesson? No."

There's more, but that's the general tone. It wasn't "The Gaza Palestinians". It was Hamas. Conflating the two has been part of the problem all along, on all sides of the debate.

[Cha]

3. Rec.. Yes they are.

[Cha]

2. FUCK the GD HAMAS FUCKING TERROISM

Link to tweet

Hamas Butchers Started Their Genlocide Shit on Oct 7th..

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And Shit yeah they promise to Repeat it Ad infinitum..

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[Cha]

4. And Now the Butchers of Hamas are "paying a cruel price" IF

they gave a SHIT About Palestinians.. Which they Don't.

[SunSeeker]

5. Exactly what did Israel do to justify Shani Louk being raped, killed and her body paraded around by Hamas?

Link to tweet

?s=20

[Cha]

6. Yeah Raping Women and shooting

Palestinians who tried to leave.. But oh yeah Poor Fucking HAMAS. And, what did those Babies do to the Fucking Efil Hamas Torturing them?

[Sympthsical]

7. The writer uses Palestinian and Hamas synonymously

You sure you want to share that view, that it was Palestinians in general who are responsible for Oct. 7th and not Hamas?

Because that seems to work very hard against one of the core arguments of Israel critics - that Hamas is separate from the Palestinian people.

Lumping them together in that way is a choice.

People need to think through what they’re spamming around. This article undermines a lot of anti-Israel arguments, but it doesn’t seem anyone’s noticed.

Maybe study things beyond a “Does this say Israel bad? Ok, I’ll share it!” motivation.

[Mosby]

10. The author is an anti-Israel radical

This article was reprinted on a communist website. That's the crowd Haaretz English is aiming for.

https://thecommunists.org/2023/10/17/news/gideon-levy-israel-cant-imprison-two-million-gazans-without-paying-cruel-price-palestine/

Eta - It recently came out that Haaretz articles content differ depending on the version, English or Hebrew.

[Cha]

12. TY for that info, Mosby.

[malaise]

8. That simple

This is worse than apartheid

[multigraincracker]

29. In the name of their God.

Two and three thousand year old text to go by, even with that many years of death and violence.

[malaise]

31. Religion is their excuse

This has always been about land and resources. And the name of the religion does not matter.

I’m so glad I have no gods and no religion. It clears one’s vision.

[Cha]

9. Still Crickets.. do you have

anything to say about this sick attempt to justify Terrorism on Israel Oct 7 when women were raped, Slaughtered and babies Tortured by Hamas.. and then the Fuckers grabbed Hostages to take back and Parade around like fucking Ghouls?

[William769]

13. Who attacked who on October 7th, 2023?

It was Hamas that brought this on the Palestinian people. Hamas are terrorists, and it was Hamas that took women & children hostage.

Hamas has shown to be the cowards that they are and the people that support them are cowards.

[Cha]

17. Ain't that the truth.

[Cha]

14. The person who wrote this article Supports HAMAS

Brutal Murders on October 7, 2023.

This couldn't be More Clear .

[marybourg]

15. DU is seeing an onslaught of new proHamas trolls.

[Cha]

16. TY.. I know! That's why I've been

keeping this kicked.

[Think. Again.]

28. I haven't seen any "PRO-hamas" posts...

...could you point out one or two?

I reaaaaalllly don't think any honest DU member is pro-hamas, but if there are trolls trying to disrupt us, I'd like to note their usernames for my own reference. I try to keep aware of who may be trolls and who is an honest DU member.

[marybourg]

35. Sorry. But not only don't I bookmark them,

I put them on “ignore” if I see a second, similar post. But I’m sure you’ll be able to spot them for yourself: newly joined, posting only pro-hamas, anti-Israel screeds usually featuring dead Palestinian babies, never mentioning the attack on Israel that precipitated the war, ignoring terrorism against Israel for 75 years, you know, that sort of thing.

[Think. Again.]

36. Haven't seen any PRO-hamas posts...

...but I'll keep an eye out.

Thanks.

[Maru Kitteh]

34. Pro-Hamas, Pro-Putin trolling has been ubiquitous lately.

It's like a damn disease.

[Think. Again.]

37. Haven't seen any myself.

[Cha]

18. "Rape is Not Resistance"... take note Please.

[betsuni]

27. Thank you.

[multigraincracker]

30. Please show post that said it was.

I see secular arguments against both sides.

[Cha]

32. This very OP that Israel brought h this

on themselves when the Raping ,Butchering, Mutilating, HAMAS Terrorists Invaded Israel.

And the Denying it Ever Happened!

Canadian sexual assault centre boss sacked after signing letter denying Hamas rape cases

Snip//

The letter, signed by 2,100 people, was authored by Sarah Jama, a member of Ontario's provincial parliament and Susan Kim, a city councillor in Victoria, British Columbia and addressed to all members of Canada's parliament.

It reads: “We, the undersigned, residing in so-called Canada, urge Canadian political leaders to end their complicity in the ongoing massacres and genocide in Gaza, Occupied Palestine.”

The letter took particular issue with NDP leader and Canada's leader of the opposition Jagmeet Singh, who “repeated the unverified accusation that Palestinians were guilty of sexual violence.”

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https://www.thejc.com/news/world/canadian-sexual-assault-centre-boss-sacked-after-signing-letter-denying-hamas-rape-cases-edsg8yhx

[Uncle Joe]

19. Yes, occupation will screw up the souls of the occupier and the occupied.

Thanks for the thread Army Brat

[Hekate]

20. When you are quoting someone else's words, please tell us who & where in the first lines at the head of yr post

Otherwise it is confusing to the reader

[Army Brat]

21. I thought linking it would be enough

Hopefully we can all respect the opinion of Gideon Levy.

[Hekate]

22. I thought that was you

[Cha]

23. FUCK the "Arrogance" of GD RAPING & BUTHCERING HAMAS

I don't "respect" SHIT of gideon levy.

[NotVeryImportant]

24. This sounds like terrorism.

[LeftInTX]

25. I'm getting sick of the pro-Israel lies...

Israel supporters are calling the Red Cross a terrorist organization, they are also calling the UN a terrorist organization. It's pretty disgusting.

They are quoting shit like this:

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?


They're big supporters of Andy NGO. And John Hagee.

I don't support the Palestinians because they're all radical, but the people who support Israel in other forums are spreading horrible conspiracy theories. Even Israel's press person spreads BS rumors.

I'm sick of it.

I tried reporting fake news on another site that I'm on and the mods ignored. (So now things such as the Red Cross is a terrorist organization, the United Nations is a Jihad training camp is being spread around. It's all sick. ) It's 1 million times worse than after 911. All Islamophobia all the time.

Meanwhile, Israel is destroying ancient Armenian Church property in Old Jerusalem. I was baptized by the Armenian Patriarch of Jerusalem many years ago. Armenians must live on church property in Jerusalem. We are not welcome in Israel. It's all pretty disgusting and hurtful.

I've tried to be objective. But the people on both sides are rude. People on Israel's side are ruder. (Not on DU, but on other forums. It's a huge anti-immigrant, anti-muslim thing)

But please keep in mind, despite the disgusting, annoying protests of the Pro-Palestinians, this country is rapidly heading into full blown Islamophobia again. Much of it is due to the intimidating nature of the Pro-Palestinian protests. Everyday Americans see them as "terrorists all over the country". They see American as becoming indoctrinated with Islam. It's really scary. They see Biden as "negotiating with terrorists".

I'm really bummed.

I wish the US was not involved in this war.

[David__77]

33. To say it is involved is a big understatement.

It is critical to stop US military aid and diplomatic support for this war.

[RandySF]

26. You're endorsing terrorism.