Protestors vandalized the NY Public Library yesterday.

[demmiblue]

Link to tweet

[underpants]

1. That doesn't help anything

[yardwork]

2. Not a good look.

[Sympthsical]

3. Are they protesting or are they threatening?

Because the general targeting of Jews seems more latter than former to me.

[yardwork]

4. Whether they intend it or not, this helps Republicans win elections.

One of the biggest motivators for Republican voters is fear of crime. They believe that Democrats allow violent protests and are "soft on crime."

Many people who see this horrific vandalism will react by thinking that "this is what Democrats do and I need to vote for Trump, even though I don't like him much."

I've heard that exact line of reasoning from Republican voters.

P.S. This is a carefully designed art installation. Somebody with skills designed and executed this, and they carefully placed it around a Jewish man's name. Think about that.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

98. NO.

[yardwork]

107. No, what?

You disagree that this sort of thing helps Republicans win?

Or, what?

[redqueen]

140. Back in the 60s, there was a saying

I can't remember it but the gist was that the person in any group who pushes actions that would reflect badly on the group is CIA

https://www.lib.berkeley.edu/about/news/fbi

[yardwork]

142. Yes, I remember that!

I figure we now we have an expanded roster of bad actors infiltrating groups.

It's kind of funny to imagine a meeting where every single participant is there undercover.



One thing I like about DU is that many of us are aware and alert to this. While we may disagree vehemently at times, it's coming from a sincere place.

[northoftheborder]

5. Sickening

[edhopper]

6. From the River to the Sea

is a call for genocide.

[murielm99]

9. "Palestinians" are claiming that there is genocide against them.

The nerve!

Six million, for crying out loud. Six million Jews!

[edhopper]

11. Israel could have wiped away Palestine

a long time ago. The exaggeration of a retaliatory attack for something the Gaza Authority started into genocide makes it hard to listen to these pro-Palestinian protesters.

[Cha]

109. Rec TY

[peggysue2]

112. I don't believe an act like this is pro-anything

It’s an act of hate for Jews, for Israel.

It’s an act of destruction and chaos to stir heated emotion.

It’s an act of contempt against knowledge and learning.

It’s a Fuck You to the future and civilized behavior.

It’s nihilistic in nature and it’s depraved and disgusting, period!

[GuppyGal]

68. And we've got plenty of people helping them promote that LIE. nt

[Violet_Crumble]

110. What's with the air quotes round Palestinians?

Are you denying they exist as a people? If so, how did you come to that conclusion?

[murielm99]

111. I just listened to a young woman, a recent college graduate

and a person who was born in this country, give a talk about her allegedly personal and family experiences as a Palestinian. Her talk was filled with propaganda, half truths and outright lies. She referred to the entire state of Israel as "Palestine" throughout her talk. She kept saying that her father was "from Palestine." I asked her where he was born and what it said on his passport. I asked her what it says on Gazan passports, and on the passports those who live in the West Bank.

If Palestinians want to be accepted as a people, they can work out a two state solution and recognize Israel's right to exist.

I was polite. She was whiny. She was defensive. She brought her own pack of flying monkeys. She said to me, "Why are you asking me all these questions?" The people surrounding her said, "Why are you asking her all these questions?" Our other speakers have answered questions.

She said things like, "You may see or hear....there was a list of slogans, including the usual "from the river to the sea" anti-semitism. I noticed a pattern to her talk. When she was saying something untrue, her voice would drop. She would slur over entire phrases, making them hard to understand. I asked her several times, politely, to go back and repeat something because I could not hear it. I was sitting right in front. She is not the first speaker I have tried to listen to who has behaved in this way. I am disgusted with this behavior.

I asked her before she spoke if I could tape her talk. She said no.

There are several ways Palestinians could earn respect and recognition as a people. Supporting Hamas terrorism is not one of them. Refusing to recognize Israels right to exist is not one one of them either. I will not respect or recognize them until they do just that.

[Violet_Crumble]

114. You think it's polite to deny a people's existence?

There's people like that where I live. They're extreme RW/Cooker types and deny the right to self determination of our indigenous peoples. I don't expect to see that sort of attitude at DU. In fact, prior to the jury system being introduced, denying the existence of the Palestinian people earned a tombstone.

Whether you like it or not, and clearly you don't, the Palestinians exist as a nationality. We beat them at some football thing last week. So there! On a serious note, and to pull you away from channeling Joan Peters, what nationality do you think the Palestinians are, and what's the country they're living in? Neither they nor Israelis need to gain your respect to exist.

I see some wilful blindness, or maybe just ignorance of the conflict in positions like yours. Israel has its fair share of terrorists. According to yr logic, you shouldn't be recognising Israel's right to exist because the Israeli govt (remember them? They're the extreme RW nutjobs who love Trump and hated Obama) not only supports terrorists who attack and murder Palestinians in the west bank, but encourages them to do more by handing out thousands of semi automatics.

How is this for a novel idea? How about thinking about both Palestinians.and Israelis as both equally deserving of respect and dignity and not being treated like shit by extremists on both sides? Attitudes such as I saw in your reply are just a bit nauseating, and you want to know why? It's the same attitude most Russians have towards Ukraine, where.theres a refusal to acknowledge Ukraine as being separate from Russia, and they'd also probs follow young people round and harangue them 'politely' and want to film them.

I always assume that people I encounter at DU are basically good people who sometimes aren't armed with all the info they need to make informed.decions about complex geopolitical issues. That's why I'm going to make a book recommendation for you. It's a book called The Palestinian People by Baruch kimmerling and Joel S Migdal, and it's well worth reading to get an understanding of the history of the Palestinians.

Anyway, it's dinnertime, so I'm off to politely tell at some random New Zealanders and demand to know why they think they deserve anyone's respect. They had their chance to gain our respect, dump all that Treaty stuff, and join us at Federation, but from now on they're 'New Zealanders' to all of us.

On edit- I've just read another post of yrs unrelated to the I/P conflict where we have something in common. I hope you don't mind if I PM you?

[obamanut2012]

139. Thank you

[betsuni]

120. +1

[Violet_Crumble]

123. -1000

[Cha]

150. +1,000,000,000

[Oopsie Daisy]

134. +1001

So, there!

[Rebl2]

138. Did you

ask her why she would not allow you to tape her speech? I am curious as to why she would not allow it.

[murielm99]

149. In Illinois, both parties have to agree to the taping.

I was more honest with her than she was with us. I told her that I did not know. It would depend on what she said. That is the truth. I may have kept the tape for myself and our group. I may have shared it with someone who is going to refute what she said.

She did have her little support team with her. They would not allow me to ask her questions when her talk was over. When I began asking questions, I think they saw where I as going and they did not like it. All of our other speakers have allowed questions. We need better guidelines for our own conduct and for that of our speakers. I was not there to brawl. Truly.

[paleotn]

19. Bingo.

Seems many on the other side of this debate aren't anti-genocide per say. just depends on who's getting genocided.

[Demsrule86]

7. Pure antisemitism period. And those responsible should pay to fix it.

I have no sympathy for those behaving like this.

[MichMan]

66. Pay to fix it ?

How about spending a few years in jail for hate crimes and ethnic intimidation.

[yagotme]

83. "Get both!" I'd say... nt

[womanofthehills]

113. It's graffiti - it's everywhere & easy to remove

Spray some GOOF OF or something similar & hose down with a power washer - probably take 15 minutes.

[Cha]

122. Oh so bc ".. it's everywhere" it's ok.. that's ridiculous.. It's Hateful Shit and

and there's NO GD Excuse to try and make it seem like it's nothing.

[ripcord]

136. It is amazing how easily you can shrug off hate speech

[Cha]

158. yeah.. it' really is.

[jaxexpat]

8. Why can't peoplejust donate anonymously?

through and through!

[Chicago1980]

14. They shouldn't have to.

[jaxexpat]

20. Ah, I see you've touched upon the......

[murielm99]

12. Who says anyone is more concerned about a building?

You are putting words into this poster's mouth.

Six million dead Jews. Think about that, and about the people who want to add to that number.

From the River to the Sea. Let's kill some more Jews? Disgusting.

[RainWalker]

16. This has zero to do with the Holocaust

It has everything to do with a public library in New York and dead innocent people. Stop it.

[JohnSJ]

17. You are right, it has nothing to do with the Holocaust, it is pure anti-Jewish hatred, and

for those that can’t see that, then perhaps those folks have a Jewish problem

[RainWalker]

24. Sorry I very much disagree

This message very much rings true IMO.
Obviously we disagree.

[Beakybird]

32. Libraries are sanctuaries of knowledge and wisdom and tie communities together.

It wasn't an oil company. It wasn't an army recruiting center. It was a library that was defiled in a hateful way because one of its donors was Jewish.

[LisaM]

60. A library is a lot more than "property".

There is a reason people still mourn the loss of the library at Alexandria. There is a reason the right wing is suddenly going after school libraries. Libraries are important to free speech.

I don't know what Emmeline Pankhurst actually meant by "property", she may have meant robber baron wealth for all I know, but I am certain she didn't mean a place sacred to the values of knowledge and ideas.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

85. The Library of Alexandria 'loss'

Sort of isn't. Most don't know its real history, because its history is mostly lost. What we do know is that the supposed fire didn't happen when people think it did, and it didn't happen intentionally.

Really:

The Burning Of The Library: The Evidence

The myth is that the Library was intentionally burnt. Julius Caesar did indeed attack the port of Alexandria. At the time a text tells us that “he burnt all those ships and the rest that were in the docks.” This means the wooden boats tied together in the harbor burnt one after the other and that the wind spread the flames to buildings on the seafront.

Did Julius Caesar Burn The Library of Alexandria?

However, the text describing the Museum previously quoted, written 25 years later, doesn’t even mention fire damage. Nor the tragic loss of a library.

{snip}

The very last time we find a mention of the Museum or Library is circa 380 AD, that is, more than 400 years after Julius Caesar supposedly destroyed it. The scholar was Theon, “the man from the Mouseion, an Egyptian, a philosopher.

https://www.thecollector.com/library-of-alexandria/

If that's not enough, most people don't realize Alexandria had not one but *TWO* great libraries. The other was known as the Temple at Serapeum and Theophilus, a christian ruler, ordered its destruction, along with that of *all* pagan temples. We don't know if the books were destroyed at that time. One would think so, but no one knows for sure because no evidence exists about books destroyed with the temple.

Evidence--such a pesky thing.

[Hekate]

128. Interesting & yet such a good way to miss the point

[Happy Hoosier]

73. So, vandalism is fine if you are mad?

Far more die every year from lack of food, access to clean water, and lack of access to adequate medical care. So why don’t we just destroy every public library in protest.

Yeah, fuckin’ ridiculous…

[Mountainguy]

92. You can't see the clear and intentional antisemitism in this?

The message being sent here is hard to miss.

[Cha]

96. Look Harder.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

151. Maybe there isn't an ophthalmologist among the 30 international doctor's nt

[lapucelle]

152. ....

[Cha]

157. Right?!

[Cha]

154. ..

Well you rock. lol

[lapucelle]

155. ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218477733#post153

[Cha]

160. omg.. Are you Kidding me?!!!

BUSTED!

[AZSkiffyGeek]

162. Nice to have suspicions confirmed, isn't it?

[Cha]

167. Oh yeah.

smh.. what a way to pull back the curtain.

[lapucelle]

163. Lots of folks post giant pictures, sometimes with no links.

It's not uncommon.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218480168
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218478454#post34

[tritsofme]

26. There is no "perhaps" about it.

[paleotn]

25. Dead, innocent Israelis? Or do they not count in your calculus?

[tritsofme]

27. Jews don't count. Haven't you been paying attention?

[paleotn]

34. For some, obviously.

And they call themselves Progressives.

[RainWalker]

42. Don't be silly

Of course they count. But let's be realistic, the kill count isn't close. You know this. And that's why the entire world is enraged.

Wait until you see the kill count from Indonesia Hospital from last evening when the IDF stormed it, killing several patients, doctor's, and nurses.

There's bodies strewn all over the streets of dead kids and women on major roads in Gaza right now who are just being discovered thanks to the ceasefire. Journalists are being allowed in. Get ready because it's very bad.

[paleotn]

52. So we're counting bodies now? And exactly how much do Israeli bodies count? 1/3 of a person?

Since, well, they're just Israeli oppressors vs terrorist...oops, "freedom fighters."

As to body count, if that's your bizarre measurement, I'll wait for a third party verification. I tend to not let my prejudice get ahead of me. How about you? And here I thought the death of just one innocent person on either side was too many and the concept of body counts was bullshit. Silly me.

Lets be straight about this. Vandalizing a building just because it has a Jewish name on it speaks volumes about the motivations of the vandals. If I were you, I'd be slow to defend them. Just saving.

[Cha]

78. They're Not the ones being "silly" as you

say.

[lapucelle]

153. There is no apostrophe in "doctor's [sic]" when you're pluralizing.

It's seems to be a common mistake. I know I've seen it before.

[Oopsie Daisy]

170. Familiar indeed, now that you mention it. You're a very good Hunter.

[sheshe2]

181. +1

[Happy Hoosier]

74. (((They))) had it coming!!!

[BannonsLiver]

144. Sock puppets.

[Major Nikon]

18. I thought about what you said and it sounds a lot like dichotomous thinking

The idea one can't simultaneously be against antisemitism and dead children doesn't sound like anything requiring deep thought.

[paleotn]

39. Sorry, but you're confusing the venn diagram. Think deeply on that.

There are those who are anti-both and there are those on both sides who are not. Both of the later groups are just as vile, except one segment of them seems to think they're actually liberal and progressive. They're not. They just won't admit their hatred. At least the Klan is up front about it. Can't say that for some to the left of me on the political spectrum. Ironic thing is, they and the Klan have gone so far off in opposite directions, they've met at the other side.

[Major Nikon]

56. I'm not talking about the posters motivations, just taking their post at face value

Regardless of what their motivations are, the post was a clear example of dichotomous thinking which is on the shallow end of the intellectual pool.

[RobinA]

104. Dichotomous Thinking

is the very deepest root of this entire situation. Always will be.

[Major Nikon]

105. I would have guessed religion

[RobinA]

180. Religion

is a HUGE excuse (or beard, put another way) for dichotomous thinking. Our way or the highway.

[yardwork]

21. Kristallnacht was not about the buildings.

[Sympthsical]

30. The German economy's in shambles, and you're worried about some broken windows?!

People really do not know what they sound like.

At all.

[paleotn]

33. Now that's a really bigoted statement.

Worried about broken windows? The German economy was in shambles (it wasn't buy that time). Is that all you got from Kristallnacht? That really says a lot about you and your motivations.

[yardwork]

35. The poster was being sarcastic.

Edited to note that you see the real problem here. Several of us are pointing out the same issue, each in our own way.

[paleotn]

43. Got it. Thanks!

I debated that but these days you just never know. Thank goodness for sarcasm emojis.

[yardwork]

45. So true!

Btw there's a post downthread that isn't sarcasm.

[paleotn]

23. It's the sentiment expressed in the vandalization. Think deeply about that.

Were you in this much of a twist over innocent Israeli children killed? Gee, for some reason I don't remember any pearl clutching posts from you on that subject. Wonder why?

[RainWalker]

28. I haven't seen

any posts from you critical of the actions of Israel or the massive death toll of innocent civilians. Touchè.

And remember, a massive majority of Dem voters support a ceasefire ❤️

[paleotn]

31. I've advocated a two state solution for ages. And Biden's response to Israel. Where have you been?

Oh, I remember now. Thinking "river to the sea". And don't change the subject. Where was your horror at the murder of over a thousand innocent Israelis? Nowhere to be found. Wonder why that is?

[RainWalker]

47. River to the sea?

Ok I'll play.
What's this?

/Mic drop

[paleotn]

53. Most Israelis don't follow that. You going to judge America by Donald J. Trump now?

It's also the mantra of many Palestinians, particularly Hamas, the PLO and on and on. To them it means Jewish extermination in Palestine. Are you down with that? Fair question.

[Cha]

80. This isn't a game.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

156. To be fair they didn't join until several weeks after 10/7

[Cha]

77. I have... and a questioned was asked.. I didn't

see an answer.

There's no "touche' there.

[EllieBC]

46. They vandalized the part with a Jewish name.

That was intentional. They were sending a message.

What’s a Jew in NY have to do with “free Palestine?”

Oh. Nothing. They just saw a Jewish name and decided to show how much they hate Jews.

[Mosby]

62. There were protestors at the home of AIPACs director yesterday

They set off smoke bombs, threw red paint everywhere and did their antisemitic chants.

The masks are coming off.

[womanofthehills]

115. I think people are pissed at AIPAC

Interfering in American elections. Deciding who they want to win and going after their opponents with big bucks.

The Guardian -Pro-Israel lobbying group Aipac secretly pouring millions into defeating progressive Democrats

American Israel Public Affairs Committee has disguised its efforts to undermine pro-Palestinian candidates https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/may/17/pro-israel-lobby-defeat-democrats-palestinians-2022

[Cha]

124. I think the Fucking Slimy Protesters Need to Piss Off.

[dalton99a]

13. Next they'll probably attack the Albert Einstein College of Medicine

Because, you know, Einstein was a genocider

[yardwork]

22. It would make exactly the same amount of sense.

[Cha]

161. Yeah, Fucking Idiot "protesters".

[Paladin]

15. Disgusting vandalism.

Nobody benefits from this sort of sick action.

[yardwork]

37. Oh, I disagree. I can think of several groups who benefit.

Those who want Trump to win in 2024 benefit greatly from this kind of thing. My Republican in-laws, for instance, dislike Trump and are desperately hoping for an alternative. Their number one concern is violence in U.S. society, which they believe Democrats "are soft on." They're still convinced that BLM burned down cities. They see this kind of thing, they go running back to Trump "to keep us safe. "

Millions of white suburban voters are convinced of this line of thinking. It's really very effective (for those wanting to elect Trump) when people do this kind of thing.

[womanofthehills]

116. Who benefits from the killing of 6000 children?

Priorities??

Damn - a power washer can take that off in minutes - what about all the toddlers who have to live the rest of their lives without limbs, sight, horrible scars from burns, no parents, dead siblings and you carry on about some graffiti on a very small portion of a building.

(The average age of the 6000 dead children is 3 to 5)

[lapucelle]

172. You're wrong about the ease of repairing the damage done to the landmarked library.

Protesters have caused at least $75,000 in graffiti damage to the famous New York Public Library’s Stephen A. Schwarzman building, where some carved reliefs may need to be replaced.

The damage was caused by at least three separate pro-Palestinian protests over the last few weeks, officials said. The worst damage, however, occurred on Thanksgiving Day when protesters sprayed “Free Palestine” in dark green paint and smeared red handprints on the steps, fountain and facade.

The protests that day also included efforts to disrupt the Thanksgiving Day Parade, and resulted in 34 arrests. Of those, 30 people were given court summons. It’s unclear how many of those arrests, if any, happened at the library.

The cleanup costs come as New York’s libraries brace for steep budget cuts, and have already canceled Sunday service starting next week.

https://gothamist.com/news/new-york-public-library-facing-steep-graffiti-cleanup-costs-after-protests

[lapucelle]

173. It appears that it's part of the Hamas strategy.

Hamas’ use of human shields in Gaza

Hamas relies on the Israeli government’s aim to minimise collateral damage, and is also aware of the West‘s sensitivity towards civilian casualties. Hamas’ use of human shields is therefore likely aimed at minimising their own vulnerabilities by limiting the Israeli Defense Forces’ (IDF) freedom of action.

It is also aimed at gaining diplomatic and public opinion-related leverage, by presenting Israel and the IDF as an aggressor that
indiscriminately strikes civilians.

Hamas’ most common uses of human shields include:

- Firing rockets, artillery, and mortars from or in proximity to heavily populated civilian areas, often from or
near facilities which should be protected according to the Geneva Convention (e.g. schools, hospitals,
or mosques).

- Locating military or security-related infrastructures such as HQs, bases, armouries, access routes,
lathes, or defensive positions within or in proximity to civilian areas.

- Protecting terrorists’ houses and military facilities, or rescuing terrorists who were besieged or
warned by the IDF.

- Combating the IDF from or in proximity to residential and commercial areas, including using civilians for
intelligence gathering missions

https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.pdf

[NCIndie]

36. Unfocused civil disobedience. Amateurs.

[yardwork]

41. I disagree that this was unfocused.

Somebody encouraged this, and whoever planned and executed it has artistic skill. It looks like an art installation.

I think it's very likely that whoever did this was encouraged to do exactly this because it's so over the top, many people will be frightened and thus inclined to vote for Republicans "to keep us safe." (The people who actually did it might be gullible fools, but even if they are, they're being led.)

I think this is a very clever example of infiltration and indoctrination.

One of the few advantages of growing old is remembering when I've seen this before. I've seen this before and it led to Nixon being elected.

[Mosby]

63. This guy

I think he is organizing and funding a lot of what we are seeing. He's a very dangerous person, sort of a cult leader.

https://www.berkshireeagle.com/news/local/james-fergie-chambers-cox-media-berkshire-communists-alford-hamas-antisemitism-israel-palestine/article_87042bcc-7fd5-11ee-99c1-5ff7316e4530.html

[yardwork]

95. Interesting. I think there's a whole bunch of them.

And some of them are foreign actors

[NCIndie]

71. Wow. A false flag conspiracy theory?

“Artistic” and “Republican” are seldom used in the same thought.

When the right attempts this kind of stunt, it is always clumsy and obvious.

No, this was random destruction against an illogical target. It was an act of cowardice (the only aspect of this that resembles the GOP).

[yardwork]

72. Definitely NOT a false flag.

Just useful idiots being used, as we saw in 2016.

[NCIndie]

86. Let the author of the OP that this was not a protest.

[yardwork]

87. Oh it was a protest all right. A stupid, evil, antisemitic one.

[NCIndie]

90. Ok. So this was a right wing fake out,

… but not a false flag. It was a straight up antisemitic act of hate.

And you know this to be true because…. Right wingers are so fond of Palestine and Palestinians that they littered the site with pro-Palestine slogans?

[yardwork]

91. Let me try again....

This was not a right wing fake out or a false flag.

It was indeed an antisemitic act of hatred.

But this act of hatred didn't arise in a vacuum. It was encouraged and helped along by the antisemitism being spread far and wide on social media and "antiestablishment" groups.

And who is benefiting from this chaos and anger and division? Certainly not children in Gaza. No, the people who benefit are those billionaires who seek to put Trump back in the White House. Encouraging Americans to do stupid, violent things that offend one another is a time-honored way to make sure that Democrats lose up and down the ballot.

Turn on Fox News and watch it for a while. It's all about how crime is running rampant, cities are burning, and Democrats are "soft on crime." An incident like this plays right into their hands.

[womanofthehills]

117. How can a protest against the murder of mostly toddlers & women be evil?

Have you seen the pics on social media. Our kids are seeing it - toddlers with half bodies, no skulls on their heads, kids screaming in pain from burns all over their bodies. Young American see these images on their phone very day and as the days go by - they get horrific - the worse images they have ever seen - of course they are marching and I’m glad they are. WHO gives a damn about a small patch of graffiti that can be washed off with a power washer in minutes ?

[yardwork]

133. So you're saying that ANY protest against the murder of babies and children is acceptable?

No protest - no matter how bad it is - is bad enough if the protest is against the murder of babies and children?

Hamas tortured and murdered babies and children last month. What you're saying is that any type of action protesting Hamas's actions is justified?

For instance, you would be ok with a protest that vandalized a library where a Muslim Arab name was featured? Or a protest aimed at ANY Muslim Arab? (Somebody in NYC did that recently and was arrested and charged with a hate crime. There were numerous threads about it on DU and I didn't see a single post supporting the bigot's words, but apparently you were fine with it? Because NO protest is too much if it's protesting the murder and rape of children?)

No, I don't agree with that.

[lapucelle]

159. Well-financed astroturf campaigns frequently exploit useful idiots.

They're not necessarily false flag operations.

Besides, in this case any false flag operatives would not necessarily be Republicans. After all, no one is accusing Democrats of being behind these anti-Israel activists, and there are plenty of Republican anti-Semites who are happy when Jews are targeted.

[Happy Hoosier]

75. That's not "civil disobedience"

Civil disobedience is a sit-in or unauthorized protest. This is criminal vandalism.

[Hekate]

129. By definition this act of vandalism & hate was NOT "civil disobedience"

[DFW]

38. Why would they damage a library? Well, what's in a library?

Books. Who hates books? Who likes to burn them?

Republicans, for example. And people who are like-minded, of course.

Oh, it’s just a coincidence, of course. Republicans have NO interest whatsoever in things like this happening, so …..

[womanofthehills]

48. They didn't go in the library or damage books

Graffiti on small portion of front. I doubt they signaled out library - it’s the corner where they were protesting and sitting in street during the Macy parade.

[DFW]

64. Oh, I get it.

So if they do the same to St. Patrick‘s, but don‘t bother any Catholics inside or outside, it‘s perfectly OK, and should be encouraged as an accepted form of free expression.

Right.

[tritsofme]

67. lol, right! It's just a very strange coincidence that they happened to vandalize a building with a Jewish name

with anti-Semitic graffiti. Why make excuses for this sort of scum? Very peculiar.

[Cha]

125. Trying to cover for the GD Hateful Ass Protesters...

Not working.

[lapucelle]

171. Where to start.

- The anti-Israel protestors didn't go into the library because it's closed on Thanksgiving. It's a lucky thing too because this research collection (endowed in 1897) is located on the first floor.



- Had they gotten into the library, there would be no easily available books to destroy. It's a research library with a world famous reading room, but the majority of the books are held in the subterranean Milstein Research Stacks and in the additional seven stack floors.

- The library is located on 5th and 42nd. The parade route does not include 5th Avenue.

- The protestors sat in the street at 49th and 6th, a half mile away from the library. The library is not located on the corner where they tried and failed to krazy glue their asses to the street during a holiday parade.

[lapucelle]

174. The 42nd Street Library was singled out.

It looks like it may have been listed on the "Globalize the Intifada NYC Zone of Operations" map.

Link to tweet

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The Thanksgiving Day vandalism was the third time that these anti-Israel asshats showed up to trash the library.

New York Public Library facing steep graffiti cleanup costs after protests

On Wednesday, NYPD officials said they expected protests at the Thanksgiving parade. But the library was closed on the holiday and staffing was minimal, Bergen said.

During previous protests, library staff and police were able to keep protestors from causing extensive damage by erecting barricades and taking other measures.

“The Friday before Thanksgiving we had more support from the police department, and we barricaded the fine art sculptures and the monuments,” Bergen said.

He said passersby have been offering verbal support to workers cleaning the building. Library officials say they don’t have any fundraising effort currently underway to pay for the graffiti cleanup.

https://gothamist.com/news/new-york-public-library-facing-steep-graffiti-cleanup-costs-after-protests

[Ocelot II]

55. In this case it wasn't on account of the books *in* the library,

but the Jewish donor's name *on* the library.

[lapucelle]

175. There's also this research collection (endowed in 1897) on the first floor.

[womanofthehills]

40. Your title makes it sound like they "vandalized " the library

They sprayed graffiti on a very small portion of the front of the library. Spraying “Free Palestine “ is not racist. At the same time they did this , Israel has ratcheted up its bombing of Palestinian right before the temp ceasefire killing even more children.

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[yardwork]

44. Good Lord.

[womanofthehills]

50. Good Lord! Gaza most dangerous place to be a child

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[Kennah]

79. Because Jews

[Cha]

82. Israel was the Most DAngerous Place for Babies to be on Oct 7...HAMAS

started this Fucking SHIT!!! . When they invaded and Raped and Butched and Slaughtered and grabbed Hostages and paraded them like Fucking Ghouls.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

99. It's horrifying.

And so is the absolute denial of suffering Palestinian children.

[Straw Man]

119. Yes, that's terrible.

Perhaps Hamas should stop hiding behind Palestinian children each time they've finished murdering a bunch of Israeli children.

[Ocelot II]

49. That makes it OK, then? And yes, they did vandalize the library,

but for some strange reason only the part with the Jewish donor's name on it. Spraying graffiti is vandalism, whether it's just a part or the whole thing.

[NickB79]

51. This sounds like a bad comedy skit

Where a KKK member is wondering why the homeowner is pissed they burned a cross on their yard.

"If wasn't that bad. We only burned a small portion of the lawn. Totally missed the tree and shrubs. What ya so mad about?"

And FYI, "River to the Sea" is racist as fuck.

[yagotme]

84. Vandalism...

Spray painting a small swastika on a large building wouldn't qualify, then? Many rednecks will thank you...

[LeftInTX]

101. Would you like them to spray those words on your house?

[lapfog_1]

127. what would happen if the military might was reversed?

Lets imagine that Hamas has the planes and tanks and armor, etc... and the IDF has only homemade rockets and AK-47s.

What would you imagine would happen if all the people in Gaza were Jews and the Hamas army came to attack with bombs and shells...

What do you think would happen?

I can speculate given the type of attack carried out by Hamas on Oct 7th... all 2 million jews in Gaza would be dead now... men, women, children. There would be no ceasefire, no aid trucks... nothing.

One more thing... not a single Palestinian supporter protesting today on campuses and libraries... not a single one, even those from Palestine, would want to go live in the new Islamic Republic of Palestine run by Hamas.

[BannonsLiver]

145. So you support this act then?

Because Israel is “ratcheting it up”?

[Polybius]

148. What does the library have to do with it?

The library is innocent in this conflict. Jail the sprayers.

[Snackshack]

54. What else do you expect?

Any criticism of Israel or its actions lately are immediately and automatically dumped into the antisemitic box so as has been said when peaceful demonstrations are not allowed violent ones will follow.

[yardwork]

58. Mind boggling.

Number one, there are quite a few protests - peaceful and otherwise - and as far as I know they've all been allowed. So I don't know where you're living because in my community there is no shortage of pro-Palestinian protests.

Number two, if you're being accused of antisemitism you might want to double-check that it isn't true, even if you're sure it's not. Just a suggestion.

Number three, this particular incident is antisemitic in numerous ways. Plus, it's gory, violent, threatening - it's just a mess.

Number four, as ya'll are fond of saying, "nothing justifies" a display like this. If you really want to help children in Gaza, there are relief organizations you can join or support.

[Sympthsical]

61. Oh, BS

People have been protesting all over the place. They’re not exactly getting shut down here.

However, peaceful antisemitic activities have come in for condemnation. D’aw. Getting clapback for their hate can be so triggering.

So what are you saying here? Allow them to run around spreading Jew hate without comment, or else they’ll flip over to violent Jew hate?

Gee, thanks for the options! I guess we’ll just have to sit around and quietly observe the antisemitism.

Which is actually pretty much what a lot of people have been comfortably doing since this started.

[Snackshack]

178. Thanks, I rest my case.

You understand you just got bent, twisted and felt emotionally compelled to reply to a computer screen right?

It is said Dionysus was viewed one day talking to statues on a road and when asked why he was doing this he said “I am preparing myself for disappointment.” Obviously it had more to do with one way conversations and idiots but he demurred on an honest reply for the sake of harmony.

People should really try to practice more emotionless based pc interactions or just limit that to the posting only, your call,… you want to toss the pc out the window… go right ahead.

If people did this however the internet could become a thing of value again as it is still in some small communities instead of being the virtual version of a Jerry Springer show audience/guest lineup through their finger tips. Also it would help w/ the Myopia which is detrimentally prevalent in the world of ones and zeros.

[Sympthsical]

179. You averred violence would come if "peaceful" antisemitism wasn't allowed

By winding up that tired "It's just Israel criticism!" gaslight. Hard pass, buddy. And there are some things worth getting a little rustled up about.

Jew hate is one of those things for me. I don't mind someone saying, "Gee, you're getting awfully worked up about Jew haters!" I'll wear that like a badge.

Those who don't care - or actively work to obscure it - can have their stickers, too. Not sure what that'd look like. Probably a gold star. But five-pointed only. If you managed six, you'd probably get "peacefully" protested.

[sarisataka]

57. Nothing antisemitic

Just a coincidence that section of wall was the only part available....

[LiberalFighter]

59. May they suffer the consequences.

[FHRRK]

65. Someone thought they were clever

In reality the person(s) was a complete idiot.

Hoping cameras picked up the idiot.

[keithbvadu2]

76. Was it done at night? Plenty of light by Trump republicans' tiki torches.

[Kennah]

81. I think we can rule out Trumpanzees. Graffiti appears correctly spelled.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

88. That's sure to win support for their cause

[republianmushroom]

94. Dumb and stupid is as dumb and stupid do and this is flat dumb and stupid.

[onenote]

97. Mind boggling

My synagogue was the target of a bomb threat last Friday. I suppose I should regard it as no biggie because there was no bomb. And, looking at some of the posts here, I get the impression that if there had been a bomb and it killed 40 or 50 worshippers present, some here would write it off because the body count would still be more Palestinians than Jews.

[Donkees]

100. Stephen Schwarzman, Blackstone CEO - Trump megadonor and 'long-time friend'

Stephen Schwarzman — chairman, CEO and co-founder of private-equity giant Blackstone — says in a statement to Axios that he's defecting from former President Trump for the 2024 presidential race.

https://www.axios.com/2022/11/16/trump-stephen-schwarzman-2024-presidential-race

He is a long-time friend of former president Donald Trump and provides outside counsel, and served as chair of Trump's Strategic and Policy Forum.

In 2020, Schwarzman donated $15 million to the Senate Leadership Fund,[42] a super-PAC tied to Mitch McConnell.

[LeftInTX]

102. So, that makes it OK?

We're supposed to vandalize buildings with Trump supporter's names on them?

Does that give me the right to vandalize Home Depot and Buc cees?

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Gheez....Is this Democratic Underground or Vandalism Underground?

[yardwork]

106. Shades of 2016..

[sarisataka]

108. Does that make it acceptable antisemitism?

[Hekate]

130. Andrew Carnegie was a genuine Robber Baron, yet between 1883 & 1929 funded 1,795 US libraries....

There’s one still standing in my town. In my life I’ve known a number of older well-educated people who started poor but had access to public libraries, which they remembered with affection that bordered on reverence. Carnegie gave them that.

Do I have to continue?

Carnegie funded the building of 2,509 "Carnegie Libraries" worldwide between 1883 and 1929. Of those, 1,795 were in the United States: 1,687 public libraries and 108 academic. Others were built throughout Europe, South Africa, Barbados, Australia, and New Zealand.
https://dp.la/exhibitions/history-us-public-libraries/carnegie-libraries#

[Ocelot II]

176. So what? He provided the funding, but that property belongs *to the library*

which is a public library, and Schwarzman won't have to pay to clean up the mess. The library - and the taxpayers who keep it going - will be stuck with the cleanup bill. The vandals aren't just vandals, they're morons.

[Demovictory9]

103. At least its not the inside. Hopefully they can rinse it off

[womanofthehills]

118. It's so easy to get off

https://youtube.com/shorts/ZkZOb3JM19w?si=SUUztgfwk7kodIBK


https://youtube.com/shorts/h982YvqNslk?si=NlmNnEg08pIQnDid

[Cha]

126. Oh that makes it all ok.. NOT.

[Ocelot II]

177. Oh, then that makes it OK because they don't have to sandblast it,

just spend taxpayers' money (it's a public library, after all, and the Jewish donor whose name is on the wall won't have to pay for the cleanup) hiring a crew (of minimum wage immigrants, probably) to come out in the crap weather and scrub it all off just because a bunch of morons thought vandalism was an acceptable form of protest? If somebody did that to your house would you just shrug and say, "It's fine, it comes off pretty easily"?

It is not OK. It's stupid and destructive.

[Raine]

121. Absolutely disgusting! 😡🤬 nt

[madaboutharry]

131. I have something to say after reading this entire thread.

There is no reason to read anything into this defacing of the library.

This is what Jew hate looks like.

And just a reminder, Jews do not need to be schooled on what is and was is not antisemitism. Jewish people know the difference between politics and hate.

[Sal_NV]

132. Luckily there's only a couple trying to downplay this incident of hatred and vandalism

and trying to use the emotional card to excuse this inexcusable act.

[EllieBC]

135. We are the only people not allowed to define

bigotry towards us. We don’t tell LGBTQA+ they can’t define homophobia or transphobia or biphobia. We don’t tell BIPOC they can’t define racism.

But Jews? We are told daily by non Jews what is and is not antisemitism.

[madaboutharry]

137. Which I think in itself is antisemitic.

Interesting how that works.

BTW, I always appreciate your posts.

[EllieBC]

166. It is antisemitic. I can't imagine

in what world people find it reasonable to tell Jewish people this is not antisemitic.

And thank you. I appreciate seeing you around here too!

[redqueen]

146. No, women are told the same all the time, by women and men. nt

[yardwork]

147. That is true. Every single day.

[EllieBC]

165. True. We claim we believe women but

we really don’t. See the current round of deniers that female hostages were raped by Hamas.

[redqueen]

168. It's sickening that they aren't believed.

I don't need pictures or video, only common sense to know this happened. It always happens, probably especially when the attackers are religious fundamentalists from backwards countries.

[BannonsLiver]

141. Antisemitic scumbags.

[muriel_volestrangler]

143. I wonder if you can get decent fingerprints from those palm prints?

Or if the palm prints are distinctive enough to be evidence once anyone if caught?

[Hekate]

164. Doubtful -- stone is not a good surface, and the paint is thick and sloppy. However, on the bright side...

If the vandals used any paper for posters and such, and if they handled said paper with clean hands or with hands only slightly tacky from paint —voila, helpful evidence.

[electric_blue68]

169. Oh Fuck that! 😬 Damn bigots!

One of my libraries. 😔

[NotVeryImportant]

182. Yeah, this sucks.

Emotions are high and people can take it a bit too far sometimes.