Still NO "Command Center" At Al-Shifa Hospital

[T_A]

Matt Gutman of ABC News showed video during 'World News Tonight' and 'GMA' of the tunnel that was more than 150 yards on one side of a hatch and far more than 150 yards on the other side, which is FAR longer than the breadth of the Al-Shifa hospital. So the tunnel is not so much "under" the hospital, as it happens to transit beneath the hospital on it's way in both directions.

NO "Command Center" found under Al-Shifa hospital.

[T_A]

6. Old News

That was before they traversed the tunnel and found nothing.

[Turbineguy]

2. Is it possible they moved?

In seven weeks time?

[lamp_shade]

4. That would be my bet.

[T_A]

7. Moved?

An entire military "command and control center"?

NAH.

[sarisataka]

40. How hard is it to move an "entire command and control center "

In your opinion?

[T_A]

59. With The Infrastructure

above ground, with trucks, and a large team, months.

Underground, with no trucks, and without a large team, much much longer.

[Sal_NV]

69. BS,

This isn't a NORAD type of command and control, it was probably a small staff with some radios to command and control the front line terrorists.
I guess even with all the evidence, some still can't bring themselves to admit that Hamas is an evil entity who used civilian, including hospitals, facilities for military ops.

[ExciteBike66]

74. So why all the fuss about a normal room with some walkie talkies?

"Command Center" is a bit of Hollywood it seems...

[Sal_NV]

77. It doesn't matter how big or how small a command and control center is,

its still a command and control center and taking it out disrupts the enemy's operations and hinders their ability to coordinate attacks.

[Sal_NV]

79. When I was in the Army, we were taught to take out the Soviet tanks with multiple

antennas, they were the commanders' tanks coordinating the attack.
Every NATO/Western military is taught that.

[Lithos]

119. That was a generation of warfare ago - now considered obsolete.

Read Team of Teams by General McChrystal.

From the review.

When General Stanley McChrystal took command of the Joint Special Operations Task Force in 2004, he quickly realized that conventional military tactics were failing. Al Qaeda in Iraq was a decentralized network that could move quickly, strike ruthlessly, then seemingly vanish into the local population. The allied forces had a huge advantage in numbers, equipment, and training—but none of that seemed to matter. To defeat Al Qaeda, they would have to combine the power of the world’s mightiest military with the agility of the world’s most fearsome terrorist network. They would have to become a "team of teams"—faster, flatter, and more flexible than ever.

Do not get hung up on old style language of a Command Center. There is no head to kill. Hamas has long ago adopted a set of tactics which operate at a lower unit level and only loosely connected. Units come and go as needed.

[LeftInTX]

126. Exactly

[Sal_NV]

142. I agree that it's radically changed since my time in the Army,

but some here don't seem to grasp that command and control centers aren't big rooms with video screens, mainframe computers, lots of personnel, and so on, all one needs to become a "command and control center" nowadays is a laptop and a radio.

[Lithos]

156. Ok - was reading the opposite

Everyone thinks these days that a command center is the stereotypical "NORAD" bunker often depicted by Hollywood. Frustrating.

I also would argue that Hamas knowing their COMINT defense is weak would likely use runners instead of radio.

[NoRethugFriends]

102. And your expertise is?

[Sal_NV]

104. US Army.

[sarisataka]

90. I think I see the problem

We are not talking moving the Pentagon.

It would take several hours to move at a relaxed pace. An hour or less if they needed to bug out

[Sal_NV]

91. Some here have no concept of what a command and control center really is,

it can be huge like NORAD or it can be small, like a Bradley track, but the bottom line is that a command and control center is just that, no matter how big or small.

[sarisataka]

111. Some seem to think

A command center needs to be a high tech installation with mainframe computers and multiple video displays

A couple radios, field telephones, some wall space for maps and a table or two is more than sufficient to run an operation involving hundreds.

[AloeVera]

124. You have to admit the gap is wide between what was sold and what was discovered.

It seems a bit of a letdown after the "intelligence-based" 3D animated video put out by the IDF showing tunnels connecting elaborate multi-story war rooms. Turned out it was one tiny room with a toilet and a kitchen sink.

Interesting too you refer to "hundreds". All of this to kill a few hundred Hamas fighters?

[Sal_NV]

45. It's not hard to move an entire command and control center and Hamas had

7 weeks to do so.

[LeftInTX]

125. Well, Israel sure made a slick video. Plus Hamas has centers all over Gaza.

In houses, in mosque basements, near Indonesian Hospital. I can't find the pic of Ibrahim Biari's compound. (Oh the govt of Israel is constantly deleting tweets with pictures of these centers)

Here is a rocket launcher near a playground.

&t=28s

I don't trust either side in this fiasco.

[Tomconroy]

51. It happens all the time.

[madville]

144. We used to do it in hours

When we deployed to the field we could have our command and communications center setup and running within hours, SATCOM, LOS, encrypted network, TVs, generators, tent, etc. Everything fit in cases which all packed in a shipping container, and could fit in a C-130. Could break it down even faster.

A satellite phone and a few guys could be a “command and control center” if they are issuing operational orders.

[David__77]

3. Hamas's HQ is in Khan Yunis, not Shifa hospital - former Israeli PM

“ Khan Yunis, which is in the southern part of the Gaza Strip, is the real headquarters of Hamas,” Olmert said. “There they have the leadership, they are hiding, they have the bunkers, they have the command positions, they have the launching pads.”

https://m.jpost.com/israel-news/article-773923

It sounds like maybe people should be moving back north.

[T_A]

8. HEH

Look over there!

[NoRethugFriends]

12. You can take your "heh" and ....

[Mosby]

13. Why is this funny?

WTH?

[lapucelle]

39. It's not funny. Given the pervasive influence of pop culture

folks might have been expecting to see this



============================

or this



============================

instead of this

Link to tweet

[T_A]

61. Tunnels

are NOT a "command and control center".

[lapucelle]

72. ...

[T_A]

60. It's Hysterical

the level of lies the IDF will stoop to.

They get caught lying over and over again, and they lie again with a straight face, and expect the world to believe them.

[Sal_NV]

78. You just outed yourself,

no matter what the IDF finds, you'll find some reason to excuse Hamas and condemn Israel.
You've been very transparent here.

[revmclaren]

127. They outed themselves too many times.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=370159

[Cha]

139. Wow

TY!

[AloeVera]

87. Yeah it looks like it.

Back to their bombed out homes.

Or they could just move to the Sinai desert for now. Open-air tent living is surely a step up fom an open-air prison.

I'm sure they'll be let back in later.

Oh wait...

[malaise]

5. Truth will out

and it will shock some folks

[Marcus IM]

10. But will they care?

Confirmation biased denial is strong.

Try to defend Cuba(ns) with actual experience and knowledge ... it won't budge many.

[onecaliberal]

37. They will not care. They can't even admit the disproportionate response.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

57. Nope.

And I'm really getting tired of the "they started it!!" nonsense.

[onecaliberal]

58. It reminds me of elementary school.

[Arazi]

11. Does it matter if it's a "command center" or just a "center"?

It looks like there’s a main intersection between two long tunnels that meet right under the hospital.

Intelligence during a war is typically difficult to be 100% accurate. Does it matter if it was a central hub or a command center? This feels semantical.

Nothing should have been under the hospital is the obvious answer but there was. Hamas deliberately set up a hub right there. Why are we quibbling over the size and quantity of the terrorist shit under the hospital?

[malaise]

15. Only for some countries apparently n/t

[Arazi]

16. Yes but hospitals are legit targets if they're being used for combat

Civilian objects and protected places (like hospitals) lose their protection if employed for military purposes, such as hosting a military headquarters, or being used as a firing position. (Rule 10. Civilian Objects’ Loss of Protection from Attack) and using a hospital (presumably, marked with Red Cross/Crescent/etc to distinguish it) as such is a breach of Rule 59

[Hekate]

21. The electrical system and plumbing were hooked directly into the hospital. The Accounting Office...

… surely noticed.

[Cha]

88. Something happened to somebody..

[Hekate]

115. It surely did

[Cha]

118. 🕯️🕊️💙🌊🇺🇸🌈🏝️

And another one bites the dust

[Hekate]

120. Sorry that...

Sorry that I didn’t memorialize their name in my post so I could tell who the dearly departed was.
Sad.

[Cha]

133. Oh I know..

I can PM?

[Hekate]

134. Any time at all

[revmclaren]

130. And again.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=370159

Some truly dont know what battles to choose.

[Hekate]

135. All righty

Oh yeah

[Think. Again.]

27. You wrote...

" Yes but hospitals are legit targets if they're being used for combat"

Which this one obviously wasn't, it being a small empty room and 2 long narrow hallways.

[Arazi]

42. They found weapons, dead hostages, plans, calendars etc

It’s been demonstrably proven it was some sort of Hamas center - whether a transit hub or command feels semantical.

Hamas was using the area under the hospital (and inside in various exam rooms like the MRI room) for combat operations.

The hospital is definitely not protected anymore under any rules of engagement.

[Think. Again.]

53. The calanders were proven...

...to not have anything to do with hamas.

That puts any other "evidence" in question.

Look, hamas is not acceptable and needs to be ended forever. But that does not need to be justified, and that does not allow for any other unacceptable actions, taken by anybody.

All this "Israel can do no wrong!" stuff is not right.

netanyahu is a far right sleazebag and needs to be called out for the extreme, and unneccesary harm and death is causing to non-hamas civilians.

Bash me for that if you wish, but maybe take a moment to consider that these non-hamas Palestinians are literally innocent civilians just like you and me.

[NickB79]

54. Two dead women, hostages from 10-7, found at Al Shifa

That evidence is "in question" to you?

Please, enlighten us on how you think they came to be there, if not for Hamas?

[Think. Again.]

75. I'm sure hamas brought the hostages to the hospital, and I'm pretty sure hamas killed those women.

I think the tunnel and room are an abandoned "safe" medical facility of the hospital, and various videos and journalist reports show that the weapons were moved around and staged by IDF. Why?

As I said, there's no need for Israel to justify completely taking out hamas, so that raises the question of why they keep going out of their way to do all these media stunts, and tours of tunnels, and explanations of petty details like fake hamas calanders and "guns under kid's beds!" and all the other stuff.

I have my own suspicions of why all this nonsense is being presented to the world's press, but I won't share it here to avoid the backlash of close-minded harassment I'd get.

[AloeVera]

145. Near Al Shifa not in it.

Found "near" Al Shifa. It could be blocks away. They were found in buildings near Al Shifa. This kind of stuff is important to get right imo.

[Arazi]

76. Did I say Israel can do no wrong?

Please point me to that. TIA

I can see however that no amount of evidence that Hamas was indeed operating in and under the hospital will suffice for you.

Feel free to have the last word. I’m out

[Think. Again.]

80. You are correct that...

...no evidence so far presented has convinced me that the hospital and innocent civilians and patients needed to be so broadly attacked by IDF.

[Sal_NV]

82. I think that no amount of evidence will ever convince you of there being a command and control

center below that hospital.

[Think. Again.]

83. No evidence presented yet has convinced me of that, no.

[Sal_NV]

85. There's plenty of evidence,

you just refuse to acknowledge it.
My post stands.

[Think. Again.]

94. I don't agree that there has been any convincing evidence.

[Sal_NV]

95. Fine, you don't agree, but the evidence is there for those without blinders on.

[Think. Again.]

97. A lot of people are...

...working hard to convince others, yes, and a lot of people are still unconvinced, myself included.

[Sal_NV]

98. Like I said............

[Think. Again.]

100. Please continue?

[Sal_NV]

99. Do you understhat that it takes only one person with a radio to be a command and control center?

Do you have any military experience at all?
Do you really have a grasp on what command and control is?

[Think. Again.]

101. So $3bn/yr IDF only needed to take out...

...one hamas member but took out over 10,000 non-hamas innocent civilians instead, and you're implying that I have no military competence?

[Sal_NV]

103. I didn't say that it was only one person with a radio in the case of Hamas,

I said that one person with a radio can be a command and control center.

[Think. Again.]

105. Let's stop...

...this is becoming embarassing for you.

[Sal_NV]

106. Says you.

The only embarrassing thing here is that you have no concept of what command and control is.

[Think. Again.]

109. I'm sure that wouldn't be...

...widely considered as embarrassing.

[Sal_NV]

110. And neither would my comments to you.

[Mountainguy]

123. Do you think

10k people dies at that hospital?

Last I checked it was still standing and operating. I think the idea that it was "bombed" is wildly exaggerated considering Israeli munitions could easily flatten it.

[LeftInTX]

128. This morning - Before the cease fire

[Mountainguy]

132. Looks like a controlled explosion to me

Buildings in good shape and the IDF certainly isn't bombing a position that it holds.

[LeftInTX]

136. They bombed the tunnels. I would show the video, but they threw in all their other overnight bombings in it

So, it was confusing.

You can see the video here

https://www.ynetnews.com/article/ry62sc6nt

A photo supposedly showed patients at Shifa today, but they looked more like they were just laying around as opposed to being a unit. I assume they weren't in the blast area. Who knows.

[Mountainguy]

137. Thats what i assumed was happening.

Looked like an explosion that originated below ground.

[Think. Again.]

141. Wait... are you saying the IDF destroyed the tunnel evidence?

[sarisataka]

112. Benn there, done that

Although is was two of us with a single PRC-77. We provided C3 for an entire regiment for four hours due to a weird communications quirk

[Sal_NV]

93. What would it take for you to acknowledge that there was a Hamas command and control center?

Something like this,

[Think. Again.]

96. It would take convincing evidence...

...which in my opinion, has not been presented.

It would have helped if IDF had not presented staged evidence which, in my opinion, decreased their credibility.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

152. I think it would need a big sign saying "HAMAS SECRET COMMAND CENTER"

But not in Arabic, cause then you'd just have the translation questioned.
And not in Hebrew, cause then it's obvious the IDF did it.
And not in any Western language, because then the IDF did it to garner international sympathy.

[Sal_NV]

153. LOL, probably so.

[Hekate]

121. I think you are correct

[T_A]

64. False

[NH Ethylene]

146. Unfortunately, Israel leaders have no qualms about lying for PR benefits.

So we simply have no idea what the actual truth is.

[T_A]

63. Nope

According to 'Human Rights Watch', reversing the 'protective status' is a very high bar which has NOT been met.

[Arazi]

73. HRW is notoriously anti-Israel

They are consistently bashing Israel and ignore far worse atrocities by other bad actors.

Any military action against a hospital is always fraught but it is legal to act when it’s clear military combatants are using it for combat

[Hekate]

19. How very convenient to install terrorists underneath a hospital. What is this, a game of Tag?

Allee allee oxen, free free free! Cant’t touch me!

[Hekate]

20. Aren't there certain rules about installing a military base beneath a hospital?

Just asking.

[Hekate]

30. So that makes it all okay, and the 1,400 (or was it only 1,000) Israelis slaughtered w/o warning

…on October 7 was just another day at a dance festival.

On October 6 there was an existing truce between the two sides. On October 7 Hamas decided it was time for that nonsense to be over.

Cool, according to American apologists.

[Butterflylady]

46. Because there wasn't any.

[Arazi]

48. Wasn't any... what?

Your comment makes no sense

[T_A]

62. Eh

The IDF stated "command and control center".

Let's stick with the facts.

[AloeVera]

114. Hold on there.

Nothing should have been under the hospital is the obvious answer but there was. Hamas deliberately set up a hub right there.

There's a good chance that the underground room we are being shown as "proof" were built by Israel some 40 years ago. If that is the case, then it was Israel who made the determination that underground infrastructure under a hospital was acceptable.

In case you doubt the veracity of this, it was confirmed by former Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak a scant few days ago on CNN. A fact check by Newsweek found it to be true.

Seems a bit sketchy to me to show rooms/tunnels you knew were there because you built them, and that are completely empty, in support of a claim that Hamas built this infrastructure and was actively using it as a command centre.

It's also a far cry from the 3D "intelligence-based" animated video released by the IDF showing multi-story tunnels leading to an elaborate, multi-story command centre. It's one room with a washroom and a kitchen sink.

https://www.newsweek.com/fact-check-did-israel-build-bunker-under-shifa-hospital-1844107

[Kennah]

17. Radios, phones, computers, CDs, AKs, ammo, grenades were found

Arguing it's a command center, it's a center, it's a headquarters, it's whatever is silly at best.

Was Hamas there? It appears so.

[pwb]

22. Weapons often come in with the wounded.

And are stored.

[Kennah]

24. Possible, but there would likely be one central locked storage of said weapons, not scattered throughout

[pwb]

25. In peace time yes.

In war the rules fall apart. It is very hectic and hurried.

[Kennah]

41. And for a militant force, hectic action is the norm--thus this points clearly to Hamas

[AloeVera]

147. Hectic action vs...

Hamas is wildly inconsistent.

They scatter weapons and gear throughout the hospital and forget them there.

But they immaculately clean up the command centre, not leaving one candy wrapper or unwashed dish in the sink let alone a lone weapon.

[revmclaren]

116. In bugout bags behind MRI machines?

Stored on top of cabinets along with medical supplies?

Have you watched the walkthrough videos? I have.

[Butterflylady]

47. Do you really think Hamas was that dumb

They would leave stuff behind to prove they were there.

[Tomconroy]

52. Yes

[Kennah]

56. Not dumb, but an expeditious exit gets people out and leaves equipment behind

The US left a LOT of functioning military hardware behind in Afghanistan

This happens in war

[RockRaven]

26. It doesn't matter.

People who want to justify the death and destruction will do so no matter what the evidence shows about any command center, or whatever the next excuse is.

[Think. Again.]

28. It's shockng how...

...that statement can apply to both sides of this debate.

[RockRaven]

33. There is a seemingly infinite pile of grievances to pull from, and the excuses

are so quickly shifted, that IMO the only thing to do is judge actions based upon their direct results. Any talk about goals or reasons is just quicksand, it will be shifting as soon as you try to build anything on it or probing it.

And yeah, that isn't a characteristic of only one entity here.

[NickB79]

29. Two dead hostages found there so far though

Strange how you failed to mention that.

A young woman and a grandmother fighting cancer. With signs of bodily mutilation.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/israel-says-second-hostage-noa-marciano-found-dead-near-gazas-al-shifa-hospital/

Getting my popcorn ready for your attempt to spin that away.

[AloeVera]

55. Not true.

You state that the hostages were found at the hospital. No. They were found "near" the hospital as clearly stated in various articles.

They could have been found many blocks from the hospital and it would be described by the IDF as "near".

That's how propaganda works. People then run with it and say it was at the hospital.

Here's a little nugget to ponder: we know that the IDF was launching aerial attacks, shelling etc on the vicinity of the hospital. If the hostages were found near the hospital, is it not within the realm of possibility that these two hostages were in fact killed and "mutilated" by the Israeli attacks?

Take the case of the 19-year old soldier. The IDF claims that she suffered non-life threatening injuries from the Israeli air strike on the building where she was held captive near the hospital. Her captor was killed. Then she was taken by other terrorists to the hospital, where she was killed - according to the IDF. Then the terrorists removed her body from the hospital and left it in a building near the hospital.

Does that story make any kind of logical sense when you think about it - why would they take her to the hospital, if the intent was simply to kill her? The simpler and more logical explanation is that she was killed by the Israeli airstrike and it is being covered up.

[LeftInTX]

131. She did not die from an airstrike

I saw her video.

She had her achilles tendon sliced off (foot was more or less amputated). A clean slice with raw bone exposed and what appears to be a gunshot wound to the back of her head.

I did not see blunt force trauma etc. She was also clean (no bomb debri) and she was wearing a black sweater and black sweat pants. She also had no visible bruises and no other injuries.

She died from a gunshot wound.

[AloeVera]

148. That's awful.

I'm so sorry. I had no idea there was such evidence. Just awful.

[LeftInTX]

150. That foot thing is really weird and gruesome I took a screen shot of it.

I read that it may have been sliced to prevent her from walking.
It appears a freshly amputated foot is placed next to the lowest part of her leg.


She has a small gunshot wound to the back of her head.

Hamas sent out the photo and claimed it was an airstrike. The photo has been removed throughout much the internet, but Hamas uses telegram, which is uncensored, so copies leak out here and there.

[Sal_NV]

151. I've seen some pretty horrific acts of cruelty towards other humans in my life,

but nothing like some of the pics I've seen of the brutality that Hamas committed on 10/7 and beyond.

[T_A]

65. Why Would I Mention

a Non Sequitur?

[Mr.Bill]

31. One thing is clear,

and you can apply this to either side. If you are fighting a war and obeying all the rules while your opponent is not, you are going to have a hard time winning.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

32. The BBC has admitted that it was wrong to question Israel's claims about Hamas tunnels under Shifa hospital

The BBC thinks that there was a command center under this hospital

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[RainWalker]

34. Dr. Eli David is an antivax right winger

Sad to see stuff from this far right grifter posted on here.

He's also incredibly anti-Democrat and anti-Biden as most anti-science right wing weirdos are.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

66. Weird, huh?

Thanks for pointing this out. It really puts things into perspective, for me. Enlightening.

Nothing binds like hate, I guess. SMDH.

[RainWalker]

71. Many supporters of Israel are very far right wing

And given that Netanyahu is far right, it makes sense

[T_A]

67. Tunnels

are NOT a "command and control center".

[BannonsLiver]

155. Shalom

[underpants]

35. This is about bombs and missiles

not personnel entering the site.
In order to hit the military site the hospital will be damaged

[Oneironaut]

36. I don't understand the need for making up Hamas "command centers."

Hamas is bad enough, and, it wouldn’t be out of character for them to put a command center with grenades and shit in a kindergarten, even.

Not sure if the command center under the hospital ever existed, but, if it was made up, why? It seems pointless to stick to a lie when there are probably many other examples of Hamas treating Palestinians like pieces of dirt.

[AloeVera]

92. Pretty grim.

There's a perfectly good reason if your goal is to make all hospitals inoperative and/or damaged.

There's a lot to unpack there. For those who wish to see.

[NoRethugFriends]

107. Your assertion that that they just want to damage hospitals for the hell of it is crap.

[AloeVera]

117. It would be if I had said that.

Having a goal implies it is not just "for the hell of it".

How many hospitals are now operating in North Gaza? I'm pretty sure it's now none. Why are they not operational unless the goal was to shut them all down?

What happened to the patients? Driven out or still trapped, with no medical care.

How many patients died from the shut down of power due to no fuel? Many. Including premature babies and ICU and dialysis patients.

How many are dying a painful death in the streets or under rubble because there is no fucking medical care in North Gaza??

Go ahead and defend the indefensible.

[lapucelle]

154. Isn't that the fallacy of false dilemma?

Why are they not operational unless the goal was to shut them all down?

The Israeli goal is to target and destroy Hamas, a well-funded terrorist organization that openly, publicly, and, by its own admission, is engaging in genocide against Israel.

Unfortunately, Hamas has no problem using and exploiting civilian infrastructure. This particular war crime is a win-win for Hamas.

Perhaps if there were more anti-Hamas marches by pro-Palestinian activists it would raise awareness concerning Hamas's war crimes against the people of Gaza.

[sarisataka]

38. I have seen more than enough evidence

That Hamas was using the hospital for military purposes contrary to the laws of war.

Was it likely also a point that coordinated operations? Very likely. Debating if it was a "command center" is splitting hairs.

A terrorist organization will not have a central command point that looks like NORAD.

[SoFlaBro]

43. How much "command and control" do you need to hand out suicide vests and machetes to behead children and old ladies?

Fuck the Hamas KKK faction.

[lapucelle]

89. Maybe folks were expecting this

====================================

instead of this

[Sal_NV]

143. The Cone of Silence.

Geez I'm old.

[Torchlight]

49. Sounds serious

Good luck.

Odd though the remnants that were left behind after Hamas fled. Again.

[LeftInTX]

50. If there was, any evidence was destroyed by Israel this morning, minutes b4 the ceasefire.

I don't think there was. Centers have been located in residential areas, where rocket launchers are easier to play.

I don't believe they had a command center under Shifa. They can easily put one at a house.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

70. JFC

[lapucelle]

84. Command centers are located in residential areas?

That would be additional confirmation that Hamas is using Gazans as human shields.

Do you have a link for that photo?

[LeftInTX]

86. Lots of images on IDF's twitter

Here are some. I don't have time to go through all of them

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

There are bunch more

[WarGamer]

68. But But But... the IDF produced an animated video showing a Bond Villain underground lair there...

You mean there's not??? Not even a single shark with a freekin' laser on his head?

[David__77]

81. Silly propaganda style.

[AloeVera]

157. No, sorry. But...

They did discover a terrorist with superhuman abilities. This lone terrorist prevented 1,000 people from leaving the hospital!! True story.

[Patton French]

122. Good grief.

Are some people standing by the ridiculous position that Hamas doesn’t use human shields?

[Think. Again.]

140. I haven't seen anyone claiming or standing by that....

...could you point us toward a post?

[RandySF]

129. So?

They found guns, body armor in the hospital and a tunnel underneath. Does it matter if there is a command center?

[revmclaren]

138. The OPs author cannot respond.

Thay have been FFRed.

[likesmountains 52]

149. Fianlly.