The Top Ten Differences Between White Terrorists And Others

[HiPointDem]

Juan Cole‘s fantastic list regarding how our terrorists are defined:

•White terrorists are “troubled loners.” Other terrorists are always suspected of being part of a global plot, even when they are obviously troubled loners.

•The family of a white terrorist is interviewed, weeping as they wonder where he went wrong. The families of other terrorists are almost never interviewed.

•White terrorists are part of a “fringe.” Other terrorists are apparently mainstream.

•White terrorists are random events, like tornadoes. Other terrorists are long-running conspiracies.

•White terrorists are never called “white.” But other terrorists are given ethnic affiliations...

http://aotearoaawiderperspective.wordpress.com/2012/08/15/the-top-ten-differences-between-white-terrorists-and-others/

[former-republican]

1. How many terror attacks have been conducted by someone caucasian

Would KKK attacks be defined as terrorism under the law?

Oklahoma bombing , I really can't think of anymore recent ones perpetrated by someone caucasian

[HiPointDem]

2. how many terror attacks have been perpetrated by someone non-white since

911 (in the us).

none is the answer. they've all been "planned" attacks. planned with a little help from the fbi.

but there's a lot of dark-skinned folks in jail, nevertheless.

[former-republican]

4. thank the war on drugs for that

"but there's a lot of dark-skinned folks in jail, nevertheless"

[HiPointDem]

8. for "terror", i mean.

[quinnox]

15. never heard of Anders Breivik?

White norwegian who did a bombing and went on a killing spree just last year.

[HiPointDem]

29. you don't have to go so far afield. this isn't terrorism either:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin_Sikh_temple_shooting

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2012-08-12/news/chi-suburban-mosque-says-someone-shot-air-rifle-at-wall-20120811_1_muslim-education-center-mosque-site-morton-grove

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/06/mosque_burned_in_joplin_another_hate_crime/

The shooting at a Sikh temple in Oak Creek, Wis., is the day’s worst example of hateful violence — but it is not, sadly, the only one. Early Monday morning, someone set fire to the Islamic Society of Joplin during Islam’s holy month of Ramadan...The destruction follows earlier fires, including one on July 4, when someone threw a flaming object onto the mosque’s roof....

http://www.salon.com/2012/08/06/mosque_burned_in_joplin_another_hate_crime/

Suspect charged in Toledo mosque arson

Linn was charged with intentionally defacing, damaging and destroying religious property, and with using fire and explosives to commit a felony, the U.S. Department of Justice (DOJ) announced.

http://www.salon.com/2012/10/08/suspect_charged_in_toledo_mosque_arson/

Portland mosque office torched: arson expected

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2010/11/portland-mosque-office-torched-arson-expected/

Vigil Planned At Site Of Corvallis Mosque Arson

http://www.opb.org/news/article/vigil-planned-site-corvallis-mosque-arson/

shocking nyc mosque arson caught on camera

[Angry Dragon]

20. Giffords shooting, theater shooting, many arrested planning on killing the President

abortion doctors threatened and some killed,

[Confusious]

39. The only one on your list that qualifies as "terrorism"

Is abortion bombings and killings of doctors.

Terrorism is defined as an act of violence against cilivans to achieve a political end.

Giffords shooting? Ehh. Doubt it.

Aroura shooting? No

[Angry Dragon]

44. Terrorism

The calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear

[Confusious]

46. Yea

Giffords shooting? Ehh. Doubt it.

Aroura shooting? No

[JohnnyRingo]

24. Eric Rudolph.

Rudolph, a member of The Army Of God, went on a streak of terror during the '90s when he bombed abortion clinics across the South.

He upped the ante in Atlanta during an Olympic celebration at the Centennial Park when he planted a bomb that killed two and wounded 150 in 1996. The media was quick to blame security officer Richard Jewell, but when the FBI finally announced Rudolph as the bomber, he went on the run.

Protected by sympathizers he managed to stay holed up for nearly two years until found rummaging through a dumpster in (I think) North Carolina. He was already on the FBI top ten list for three years prior.

Rudolph was a terrorist in the true sense of the word. He invoked a sense of fear to exert political pressure. The Centennial Park bombing proved that it was no longer just about his "right to life" issues as he also used terror to bring attention to what he called "socialism".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Rudolph

[solara]

25. Are you serious?

You really cannot think of any others?

James Holmes in Aurora at the theater during the premier of Batman

Charles Carl Roberts IV - West Nickel Mines School- Amish children

Or what about the attacks on LEGAL abortion providers?

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin

July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before and was also bombed subsequently, in 1984 and 2012.

December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings.

January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph

October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[10] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against abortion providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp

May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at church in Wichita, Kansas

According to statistics gathered by the National Abortion Federation (NAF), an organization of abortion providers, since 1977 in the United States and Canada, there have been 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidents of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings committed against abortion providers.[12] Attempted murders in the U.S. included:[8][13][14]
August 19, 1993: Dr. George Tiller was shot outside of an abortion facility in Wichita, Kansas. Shelley Shannon was charged with the crime and received an 11-year prison sentence (20 years were later added for arson and acid attacks on clinics).
July 29, 1994: June Barret was shot in the same attack which claimed the lives of James Barrett, her husband, and Dr. John Britton.
December 30, 1994: Five individuals were wounded in the shootings which killed Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols.
October 28, 1997: Dr. David Gandell of Rochester, New York was injured by flying glass when a shot was fired through the window of his home.[15]
January 29, 1998: Emily Lyons, a nurse, was severely injured, and lost an eye, in the bombing which also killed Robert Sanderson.


And there are more.

What about The 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama which was bombed on Sunday, September 15, 1963 as an act of racially motivated terrorism. The explosion at the African-American church, killed four young girls.

Or.. the Sikh Temple of Wisconsin, where white supremacist Wade Michael Page opened fire and killed six members of the congregation.

Or.. When on January 8, 2011, a week into her third term, Gabrielle Giffords was a victim of a shooting near Tucson, which critically wounded her while thirteen people were injured and six others were killed in the shooting, The media called this a violent rampage but if it had been perpetrated by someone who looked middle eastern, you bet it would have been labeled an act of terrorism.

And yes, I think the violence done for so many years by the KKK could definitely be called acts of terrorism.

I could be wrong but I believe every one of these despicable acts was perpetrated by a white person.

And, I would call every single one of these incidences terrorist attacks. Just because the MSM doesn't call then acts of domestic terrorism, doesn't mean they are -not- acts of terrorism. These violent acts are often labeled 'hate crimes'. or 'violent rampages' but how can a hate crime be differentiated from a terrorist attack?

Seriously.

[Suji to Seoul]

36. Jared Loughner and his terrorist attack near my home in Tucson?

[Confusious]

40. Doesn't fit under the definition. Nt

[Suji to Seoul]

45. tell that to the dead people.

[Confusious]

47. They're dead

It kind of hard for them to care one way or the other.

Definitions are for the living.

[Scuba]

38. Thank you.

[AtheistCrusader]

26. Scott Roeder

[graham4anything]

32. the asswipe that politically assasssinated the kind meek doctor in a church

the asswipes that kill blacks on Danzinger Bridge during Katrina
the asswipes that killed Mathew Shepard

etc.

[quakerboy]

34. Most of them

The anthrax attacks. The Unitarian church shooting. The murder of tiller, and various other anti-choice terrorist acts. The guy who flew his plane into the IRS. The guy who shot gabby Giffords. the guy who shot up the movie theater. The guy who took hostages at discovery channel. the guy who shot up the sikh temple. for a short list.

But I think this makes the point of the op. If these had been done by nonwhites, you can bet they would be tied to the terrorist label by the media, and brought up again each time a new one happened, and pop into your mind much easier. But because they are white terrorists, they are lone agents, individual incidents with no bearing on each other or any other occurrence.

[BlueMTexpat]

37. Well - judging by your name, you may just recently have come out of the bubble,

but pay a bit of attention to other posters below.

They've named several white terrorists whose actions/death sprees have occurred since the Oklahoma City bombing.

And remember that Oke City was first blamed on non-whites!

[former-republican]

3. look at most of the names , I don't think most were white

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/08/9-11-anniversary-45-terror-plots-foiled-in-last-10-years.html

[HiPointDem]

5. that's because the white ones aren't called "terror plots". which is the point of the

OP.

45 "terror plots" and not one successful one. oh, thank you fbi!! thank you for buying the fake explosives and suggesting the targets!

i wonder why it's only these unemployed developmentally delayed losers trying to do "terror plots"?

the freaking 'shoe bomber' my ass.

and look at all those plans to attack commuter trains. it would be easy to disable a commuter train, and you wouldn't have to coordinate with people on the internet or even use a bomb.

who are these unprofessional "terrorists"?

oh, they're mostly poor black people caught through the use of provocateurs, surprise.

[former-republican]

6. Because they have a predisposition

"i wonder why it's only these unemployed developmentally delayed losers trying to do "terror plots"


Most sought it out first.
The FBI doesn't ask random people , hey are you interested in conducting a terror attack.

[HiPointDem]

7. unemployed retarded black people are disposed to blowing up subways? news to me.

i've not heard of any rash of such cases. and i wonder how they'd have the means...

most of the cases i've heard of people blowing up things have had a high involvement of intelligence operatives.

[former-republican]

9. lol

you're not making any sense to me.

I read most of your threads but this one is strange.

[HiPointDem]

12. some of the people arrested for these 'terror plots' have been described as

borderline retarded. sorry to be so non-pc, but it's clearer.

it's rather unlikely they were going to blow up anything. its more likely they were the victims of provocateurs, just as similar people have been the victims of police looking for convictions throughout us history.

not one person has died, or even been injured, on us soil as the result of a 'terror attack' since 2001 -- supposedly because the intelligence services are doing such a bang-up job.

but stuff like this happens on a fairly regular basis, and it's never described as a "terror attack":

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-08-08/news/33104772_1_sikh-temple-tattoos-racist-beliefs

even though it's clearly a targeted political attack.

[former-republican]

13. The FBI has infiltrated mosques , have snitches in prisons ( large muslim population there) , etc..

I'm sure some have been of a very low IQ and been dragged into making something a reality from a fantasy.

[HiPointDem]

17. "dragged in" by whom?

[former-republican]

23. Sometimes the FBI , sometimes by a snitch that has something to gain by handing over

a potential terrorist.

[HiPointDem]

31. retarded crazy people are potential terrorists? how so?

'Terrorist' killed in gunbattle turns out mentally-challenged man

A 'top Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) commander', whom police and security forces on Sunday claimed to have killed jointly in a fierce encounter in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir, has turned out to be a mentally-challenged Hindu youth picked up by an Army jawan and a Special Police Officer (SPO) posted with the state police.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/jk-terrorist-killed-in-gunbattle-turns-out-mentallychallenged-man/828768/1


yeah, all the security forces do it. they lie.

[Ash_F]

10. Many(most?) of those were COINTELPRO operations

Meaning a law enforcement official planted the seed of an attack in the suspect's head by expressing anti-American views to them to see if they would be receptive. They eventually float the idea of an attack. Basically entrapment.

Obviously, if you target only a certain ethnicity for this kind of OP, then the subjects that bite will be only of that ethnicity. Comically, it is not uncommon for the target to turn the agent in to authorities when violence is brought up, so they have to be careful that the person is really receptive before floating the idea. My favorite story about this was a few years ago when an undercover agent was banned from a mosque for spouting Anti-American views.

I am against this strategy because it doesn't catch people who would plot an attack on their own. And it mainly just serves to promote racial hatred as law enforcement disproportionately targets certain groups.

As for recent terror attacks involving Whites, there was the Norway massacre last year. Where 69 people were killed, almost all children of one political party. That was clearly politically motivated to incite terror. But it's not a contest.

[former-republican]

11. That's not really correct

"Obviously, if you target only a certain ethnicity"






They are not in Baptists Churches conducting these operations.

[Ash_F]

14. I am not sure I follow what you are suggesting 100%

But I'll take a stab at it. Hypothetically, if you went to some of the more conservative Baptist Churches and spouted stuff about Obama being a Muslim, Big Government violating states rights, Big Government trying to run our lives, take our guns, take our freedom, give our hard earned tax dollars to lazy black welfare queens, kill unborn babies ect(you've heard it all I am sure) then you would actually find a lot of people receptive to those views. If you worked at it persistently enough, then you can bet that you will eventually find someone who would want to do something about iy. Then you have your white terrorist.

But the FBI generally doesn't target Baptist churches for this kind of OP. And they shouldn't. They shouldn't target mosques either.

[former-republican]

16. No you didn't follow me

I'm saying they don't target baptists churches because most terror plots have a common theme of the person being Muslim.

Either born or converted to the religion of Islam.

[Ash_F]

18. OK, actually I did.

Previous response remains the same.

[HiPointDem]

21. richard reid, the 'shoe bomber,' was a career criminal whose career criminal father

told him to convert because he'd have an easier time in jail as a muslim.

he had no particular interest in islam at all.

you aren't getting it: most 'terror plots' have a common theme of the person being muslim BECAUSE THE CURRENT DEFINITION OF TERROR PLOT = PLOT OF MUSLIM. Or rather, plot which can be pinned on muslims or invented and pinned on muslims in order to justify the massive funding we're getting (& siphoning off into black operations).

Look, it may be hard to pull off a 911, but it is not hard to do damage to infrastructure, especially transportation/power/water -- or to kill a lot of people for the purpose of terrorizing them.

Do you think 'al-qaeda' couldn't figure out half a dozen ways to inflict damage if they wanted to?

Do you really think serious political terrorists are blabbing about their plots on the internet or to their friends? No, just stupid & crazy people do that.

Do you think al-qaeda members do that? or people with connections to al-qaeda (if indeed there is such a thing as 'al-qaeda,' but substitute any serious group that wants to do damage to the US).

Do you think al-qaeda uses retarded crazy people to buy supplies for them, or discusses its secrets with retarded crazy people? do you think al-qaeda is in such desperate shape that the only people they can get to do their bidding is unemployed crazy black men who attend mosque in the US?

Most of these alleged terror plots, when you start looking at the details, just don't pass the smell test. AND EVERY ONE I've seen has involved US intelligence provocateurs pressuring, suggesting, aiding the alleged "terrorist".

[HiPointDem]

19. you're saying because some of them went to mosque that in itself makes them

suspect?

did you read my link about the guy who shot up the mosque and killed six people? he probably went to a baptist church or its equivalent at some point in his life.

NO ONE has been killed or wounded in a 'terror attack' on US soil since 2001, but a lot of dark-skinned people have gone to jail for "PLANNING" THEM with the help of the FBI.

Here's one recent case: the guy saw witches and spirits, was unemployed, lived with his family who gave him $2 a day spending money, and spent a lot of time on his porch staring into space.

i.e. the guy had mental problems.

But documents show that police detectives assigned to the F.B.I.-led Joint Terrorism Task Force also interviewed the suspect themselves. Notes from their interview offer a fuller portrait of Mr. Pimentel, whom neighbors have described as a somewhat lethargic figure who was often seen sitting on a bench, with a blank look, for hours at a time.

The detectives noted that Mr. Pimentel was no longer seeing witches by the time he moved to the United States, but then “started seeing spirits.” The suspect told them that the visions stopped after he converted to Islam in 2004 at a mosque in Manhattan.

Mr. Pimentel told the detectives that his mother supported him, but provided an allowance of just $2 a day — not enough, Mr. Pimentel noted, for car fare to a mosque on 96th Street. Because it would take him an hour to walk there, he was unable to pray, Mr. Pimentel complained...

conversations with his personal FBI provocateur:

But at one point, Mr. Pimentel suggested that the informer take the lead in building the bomb.

“I live with my parents. So, you live with your wife,” Mr. Pimentel said to the informer. “You can make your own bomb, you know.” Mr. Pimentel went on to agree to accompany the informer to place the bomb. “But as far as making it, it’s you do it in your house or let me do it with you in your house. You feel me?”

A lawyer for Mr. Pimentel, Lori Cohen, said that “the totality of the tapes demonstrates that Mr. Pimentel would never had done anything without the government’s intervention.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/14/nyregion/fbi-had-greater-role-in-jose-pimentel-terrorism-case-documents-show.html

[former-republican]

22. No I'm saying in this day and age most terror attacks are conducted by Muslims

against U.S interests domestically and certainly globally.

If we were Brits in the 80's and 90's we would be looking at Irish Catholics .

Believe me I understand that some are coaxed into doing something where otherwise it would have remained just a fantasy.

A sick fantasy but still just a fantasy.

[AtheistCrusader]

27. I think you misunderstood the point of the OP.

I didn't see the Anthrax mailing dude in the list, did you?

Yeah, he was a white guy.

[HiPointDem]

28. Funny thing about the IRA wars: they were run by provocateurs.

Stakeknife[1] is the code name of an alleged spy who infiltrated the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) at a high level, while working for the top secret Force Research Unit (FRU) of the British Army. Reports claim that Stakeknife worked for British intelligence for 25 years...

Serious allegations have emerged to the effect that the British government allowed up to forty people to be killed via the IRA's Internal Security Unit or "Nutting Squad" to protect his cover....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakeknife


MI5 took one of Gerry Adams' personal drivers into protective custody yesterday after the man, Roy McShane, was unmasked as a British agent.

It is understood MI5 advised him to leave his west Belfast home after it emerged that an internal IRA investigation found he had been working for the British for more than a decade....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2008/feb/09/uk.northernireland


Past moles

Stakeknife, claimed to be Freddie Scappaticci, was one of the most important British agents working inside the IRA. He was head of IRA counter-intelligence whose job it was to smoke out informers but was in fact a top British spy. Scappaticci has denied he was a spy.

Denis Donaldson Confidant of Gerry Adams who rose up through republicans ranks to run Sinn Féin at Stormont. Accused of deliberately deselecting candidates whose loyalty to Adams was in doubt. As Sinn Féin's international spokesman had links with Hizbullah and the PLO. All the time working for both RUC special branch and MI5.

Sean O'Callaghan Former IRA southern commander who thwarted a number of bombings attacks in Britain for both the Garda Síochána and RUC special branch.

"Kevin Fulton" Former British soldier from south Armagh sent into the IRA by his handlers. "Fulton" has described how he worked for the security forces while helping to upgrade IRA bomb-making technology. He bugged arms dumps, the homes of south Armagh republicans and de-activated weapons.

Martin McGartland aka Agent Carol, a special branch informer working inside the IRA's Belfast brigade. His book Fifty Dead Men Walking has now been made into a film.


So the question arises, what were the british doing here? Trying to 'win' this war, or keep it going?

[Democracyinkind]

42. And the article explains exactly why you are suffering under this delusion. NT

[JustAnotherGen]

30. I consider

White Separatists to be terrorists. They can put lipstick on the pig - but it is still a pig.

[graham4anything]

33. How about Sean Hannity and Glenn Beck and the other far right extremists in the media

(I leave Rush off the list, because he is just a loudmouth dj making 50million a year and all and he would be a liberal if they would pay him 60 million).

I do think the titled believe every word they say and would say so regardless of their work status. they are inciting nuts in the audience to be violent, while hiding under the 1st amendment.

[cali]

35. this is simply factually not true.

[Democracyinkind]

41. What part is factually untrue?

I find myself agreeing with your opinion alot, so I'm quite curious - surely, the article by Juan Cole is written sharply and in a polemical tone, but there seems to be some truth in what he says...

I for one am convinced that if the FBI and local law enforcement agencies (such as NYPD Intel) would put as much effort into encouraging and abetting terror plots by (for example) christian fundamentalists as they do with the muslim community we would see pretty much the same result. I believe that all in all, ceteris paribus (politcal background and the kind of games mentioned above) muslims (or non-whites) are not more prone to terrorism than whites.

I'd be intersted in reading about which parts you found untrue... just curious

[Fumesucker]

43. I disagree, I think the characterizations are spot on

And I'm white.