Emily is alive!

[senseandsensibility]

Some of you may be familiar with the 8 yr old girl whose father has the touching Irish accent. She is being released according to CNN! I am so happy for her and her father!

Like many, I am concentrating on the good news to get through the daily tragedies. I hope she recovers well.

[Sal_NV]

1. I can't even imagine the horror and trauma this little girl went through

at the hands of Hamas, the terror she must have felt is staggering, all this on an innocent 8 year old girl take by these butchers.

[senseandsensibility]

2. Exactly

but it sounds like she will be receiving extensive psychological/medical help. Nevertheless, no doubt it will be a long and difficult journey to recovery.

[claudette]

27. It surely must have been

traumatizing to her - and all of them. So, far, the rescuers are not reporting any hostages who are in ill health. I know that psychological pain doesn't show up, but that will be healed with time.

[herding cats]

3. Thank goodness she's been released!

[Mountainguy]

4. For anyone unfamiliar

This is an 8-year old girl who was having a sleepover at her neighbors home when the attacks took place. Her father was told she had been killed, but later it was determined that her and the friend and friends mother had been taken hostage and were in Gaza.

The father did a famous interview days after the attack when he said he was relieved when he was told she had been killed instead of having to endure the things that would happen in Gaza.

[senseandsensibility]

5. Thanks for adding those details

His reaction when he was told she was dead originally was heart wrenching.

[Raine]

6. That's wonderful, I'm so happy for her father,

for her and the family.

[senseandsensibility]

19. Yes, it is fortunate

that she's alive although the road ahead will probably be difficult. Still, it is so much better than the alternative as long as she gets the help she needs.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

7. What evil monsters to be holding little kids hostage.

There's no word strong enough to describe how evil these people are.

[SoFlaBro]

8. Fuck a piece of shit Hamas terrorist. They are subhuman garbage and fetid shitstains of humanity.

[leftyladyfrommo]

9. Hillary agrees with you. I have never heard

her be so callous about a group of people.

[BlueCheeseAgain]

10. What did she say?

[littlemissmartypants]

17. Archive link, no paywall...

https://archive.is/FE3mh

[Rebl2]

12. What did she

say exactly.

[littlemissmartypants]

18. Archive link, no paywall...

https://archive.is/FE3mh

[ShazzieB]

21. Thanks for this!

When I linked to the article, I forgot about the paywall. D'oh!

I hope lots of people read it!

[littlemissmartypants]

23. You're welcome. It's a very interesting article. ❤️

[SoFlaBro]

24. That is the first time I have seen that article.

[ShazzieB]

35. Same here!

I found it by typing "hillary clinton hamas" into Google, because I was so curious to know what she's been saying on this subject. I'm really glad I did!

As I said in another reply, I'm going to do an op, to bring this article to more people's attention.

[marybourg]

22. #1 that Israel has the right and duty to defend itself.

#2 that a cease fire (as distinct from a brief humanitarian pause) is a ploy that Hamas has cynically used to everyone else’s detriment over and over and which should not be repeated.

[pnwmom]

13. Why shouldn't she be outraged about the terrorists? nt

[ShazzieB]

14. Got a quote? A link?

I'm dying to know what she said!

EDIT: Never mind, I think I found it: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/11/hamas-israel-ceasefire-humanitarian-pause-gaza/675992/

[leftyladyfrommo]

16. No. I just caught an interview on some

Social media. I noticed it because I've never hard her talk that tough. She just had no use for them.

[ShazzieB]

20. Well, in that case, I highly recommend reading the article i linked to.

It's an opinion piece that she wrote herself, and I think it will give you a much more nuanced picture of her thinking on the Israel/Hamas issue.

She lays out everything she thinks Israel needs to do; and yes, "eliminate Hamas" is on the list, but that's just the tip of the iceberg. She has a whole bunch of recommendations, some of which I'm sure Israel won't be thrilled with, and I think she's right about all of it.

Perhaps most importantly, she explains her reasoning for everything she recommends, and she's very clear about certain things Israel has been doing that need to stop.

As for her being "callous" about Hamas, she's very clear about exactly what they've done to deserve just that. They are terrorists who have deliberately put the Palestinian people in Gaza in harm's way again and again. High death tolls in Gaza are regarded as a "win" by them, because it causes negative attention to be focused on Israel instead of on themselves.

[Rebl2]

30. Your summary

of that article is right on point.

[ShazzieB]

34. Thanks!

The quality of Hillary's writing made it easy. That woman really knows how to express her thoughts clearly.

[Rebl2]

38. Yes she does

unlike me who stumbles around while trying to explain things.

[Amaryllis]

31. That article was a masterpiece of nuance. Thanks for calling attention to it.

[ShazzieB]

36. It was my pleasure!

I'm getting to do an op about this article. I think it needs to be spread far and wide. I hate the way DU is being rolled by this issue right now. Maybe this will help a little.

[Think. Again.]

29. Here are her closing statements from her essay...

-snip-

Going forward, Israel needs a new strategy and new leadership. Instead of the current ultra-right-wing government, it will need a government of national unity that’s rooted in the center of Israeli politics and can make the hard choices ahead. At home, it will have to reaffirm Israeli democracy after a tumultuous period. In Gaza, it should resist the urge to reoccupy the territory after the war, accept an internationally mandated interim administration for governing the Strip, and support regional efforts to reform and revive the Palestinian Authority so it has the credibility and the means to reassume control of Gaza. In the West Bank, it must clamp down on the violence perpetrated by extremist Israeli settlers and stop building new settlements that make it harder to imagine a future Palestinian state. Ultimately, the only way to ensure Israel’s future as a secure, democratic, Jewish state is by achieving two states for two peoples. And in the region, Israel should resume serious negotiations with Saudi Arabia and others to normalize relations and build a broad coalition to counter Iran.

For now, Israel should focus on freeing the hostages, increasing humanitarian aid, protecting civilians, and ensuring that Hamas terrorists can no longer murder families, abduct children, exploit civilians as human shields, or start new wars. But when the guns fall silent, the hard work of peace building must begin. There is no other choice.

-snip-

Full article no paywall: https://archive.is/FE3mh

[BlueCheeseAgain]

11. I have followed the story of her and her tormented father...

... who at first was relieved that she was dead and not suffering. So of course, I'm very happy that she's alive and free.

But remember-- because the agreement was for a set number of people, for each person released today, someone else had to remain behind in Hamas's evil grip. This is the depravity of Hamas.

[Danmel]

15. Great news indeed

But they are still holding the 10 month old baby.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

25. The touching Irish accent with which he said he hoped she'd been murdered rather than be abducted by Hamas.

Hope she never has to hear that.

[Happy Hoosier]

32. Do you wonder why?

Because he was afraid of what those monsters would do to her, knowing what they did to other women and girls. Way to victim blame!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

33. If anyone did hurt her, it's unclear to me how his words would be helpful for her.

If anyone did hurt her, who's the victim?

[BannonsLiver]

37. ...

[claudette]

26. Yes, that is great news!

He must be SO relieved and happy!

[leftyladyfrommo]

28. All I care about is that she is home. nt