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Tom of Temecula

(1,632 posts)
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 11:33 AM Nov 2023

People are leaving Texas over rising costs, partisan politics, and a sense of disenchantment

While some homebuyers seek the American dream in Texas, many are leaving the state to find it elsewhere. "Lifelong Texan here. I am definitely preparing an exit strategy," one anonymous user posted on a Reddit thread about leaving Texas. "From the heat to the stripping away of human rights, I'm just done."

Another poster struck a similar chord. "I've been in Texas most of my life, and my husband and I were always planning on retiring here (in about 5 years from now)," they wrote. "But between this intense heat, crazy politics, and cost of living, we've decided to leave for good and head to Knoxville."

While people have been moving into the Lone Star state to take advantage of its relatively affordable real-estate market, political atmosphere, and work opportunities, some of those same qualities are driving others out. Over 494,000 people left Texas between 2021 and 2022. It's a trend that could intensify as housing costs surge and the state's political landscape becomes more polarized.

As Texas starts to lose its edge as an inexpensive and affordable housing choice, many locals are shifting their focus to the Midwest.

https://www.businessinsider.com/leaving-texas-political-freedom-property-taxes-housing-costs-2023-11

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People are leaving Texas over rising costs, partisan politics, and a sense of disenchantment (Original Post) Tom of Temecula Nov 2023 OP
May they lose congressional seats bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #1
As a 5th Gen Texan, I'm staying put for awhile MagickMuffin Nov 2023 #5
My dad's family has been in Texas since before the Civil War. ananda Nov 2023 #19
Wish they left before 2020! LeftInTX Nov 2023 #10
Our neighbors left Texas Charging Triceratops Nov 2023 #2
Wouldn't Knoxville largely have the same problems? Nt spooky3 Nov 2023 #3
That's what I was thinking. I mean, Knoxville? ananda Nov 2023 #20
Austin is way overhyped by greedy speculators, rapacious developers and corrupt politicians dalton99a Nov 2023 #4
I haven't lost anything in Austin, as my mom would say. Susan Calvin Nov 2023 #21
Hope they are going to Arkansas and not some blue state. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #6
Arkansas is hot too. Emile Nov 2023 #9
Build that wall Traildogbob Nov 2023 #7
If Texas cannot even maintain it's roads ... Kennah Nov 2023 #15
That's where Bannon Traildogbob Nov 2023 #16
Interesting that the heat is getting mentioned NickB79 Nov 2023 #8
Similar articles about Florida, especially insurance costs which DeSantis ignores. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #11
Texas affordability is a Myth FHRRK Nov 2023 #12
I don't live in Texas but it simply Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #18
I live in Texas Horse with no Name Nov 2023 #13
Come to Northern Virginia and help us become more blue. Medical care is outstanding spooky3 Nov 2023 #14
The trouble is... due to the planet's overpopulation and COL increases pinkstarburst Nov 2023 #17
Especially as the population has to move ever more northward. roamer65 Nov 2023 #22
Born and raised in Texas. Moved to Washington State. Aristus Nov 2023 #23
People move because they watch Fox and it fills their head with garbage. Initech Nov 2023 #24

MagickMuffin

(18,345 posts)
5. As a 5th Gen Texan, I'm staying put for awhile
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 12:35 PM
Nov 2023


When people get fed up and leave then we are definitely giving away the State to the haters instead of fighting them at the ballot box and beyond.


ananda

(35,297 posts)
19. My dad's family has been in Texas since before the Civil War.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 07:16 PM
Nov 2023

Some of my siblings live in other states,
but I don't see any of the rest of us leaving.

I'm OK here right now, though the heat is
pretty bad in the summer.

dalton99a

(94,745 posts)
4. Austin is way overhyped by greedy speculators, rapacious developers and corrupt politicians
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 12:20 PM
Nov 2023

who can't wait to push bullshit bond issue after bullshit bond issue and raise property taxes to enrich their cronies and patrons

For all the exorbitant taxes and fees extracted from residents, there is practically zero traffic enforcement to deter road rage violence. And road maintenance is nonexistent.

The population explosion is ridiculous. The commute traffic is horrific, and the airport is generally a disaster - you can't even find a parking space if you want to leave your car there for a trip

Susan Calvin

(2,449 posts)
21. I haven't lost anything in Austin, as my mom would say.
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 09:21 PM
Nov 2023

I used to have to go there quite a bit for work, and I just don't get the hype at all at all.

NickB79

(20,389 posts)
8. Interesting that the heat is getting mentioned
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 01:09 PM
Nov 2023

Texas has always had heatwaves, but it appears ifelong Texans are finally noticing that these aren't the heatwaves of their youth.

FHRRK

(1,410 posts)
12. Texas affordability is a Myth
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 03:51 PM
Nov 2023

Full disclosure, I despise Texas.

Quote from General Sheridan (General for the moral and winning side of Civil War) - "If I owned Hell and Texas, I’d rent out Texas and live in Hell."

That quote was from 1866. I use it to emphasize that Texas has been a cesspool for a very long time.

As for affordability, two people left college, one went to CA (me) one went to TX. Both bought extremely comparable houses in the 90's. Now with property taxes, (TX is expensive) utilities, etc. the monthly cost of living in TX end up being the exact same if not a bit higher.

Add opportunity costs and the Texan spent about 2k per month for the 'privilege" of residing in TX.

Now another neighbor grew up in CA, got transferred to TX. Was lucky/wise enough to hold CA house. After three years in TX he laid down an ultimatum, transfer me back to CA or I will have to quit!

Reason being, his wife keeps a detailed budget, turns out between 2018 to 2021, they "saved" $300 per year by living in TX! WTF!!!! deal with the weather and Texans for $300 per year! Hell no! and they are Conservatives.

Don't flame me Texas dems, come back with Texas will turn blue. That one is right up there with tRump supporters will come to their senses and condemn the Orange Shitstain.

It ain't going to happen, Texas if run by Oil and Gas, always will be. The OP example of moving to Knoxville is a much better solution. TN will turn blue before TX.

Elessar Zappa

(16,385 posts)
18. I don't live in Texas but it simply
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 07:10 PM
Nov 2023

isn’t true that Tennessee will turn blue before Texas. Every election, the Dems get closer to winning the electoral votes of Texas. This is a fact, a confirmed trend. The blue cities and suburbs keep growing and the red rural areas keep shrinking. Unless the change stalls, Texas will be blue by 2032 or 2036, just based on current trends, Tennessee is far more red and far less likely to turn blue.

Horse with no Name

(34,245 posts)
13. I live in Texas
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 04:00 PM
Nov 2023

This last summer, I heard more people who lived here a long time or forever, say they were looking to move to more temperate climate. Last summer was brutal and the electric bills were even worse.
Unfortunately, many of these people are also liberal so I expect the elections won’t be as close as they have been.
I work at an academic medical center. There is a huge problem with access at this point. It is months to over a year to get appointments with specialists. Very close to half of our OB/Gyn department providers have left the state.
Texas is getting a little scary for us liberals.
I had planned to retire in 9 years. Not sure I will make it.

spooky3

(38,727 posts)
14. Come to Northern Virginia and help us become more blue. Medical care is outstanding
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 05:37 PM
Nov 2023

and reasonably priced. Weather can be extreme but not nearly as bad, for as long, as in some other parts of the country. Housing and food are expensive and traffic is bad in parts.

pinkstarburst

(2,062 posts)
17. The trouble is... due to the planet's overpopulation and COL increases
Sun Nov 26, 2023, 07:01 PM
Nov 2023

people are moving in droves to any place they believe is affordable and driving the prices through the roof. Californians did this to Texas already. Now middle income earners in Texas are being forced out and those who are moving to the Midwest, or Tennessee, will soon drive the prices in those areas so high that people living in those states won't be able to afford to live there either. Any place where you can afford to buy a house that isn't a complete hellhole isn't a secret for long, and the prices are only going to go up.

Say what you want about sucky Texas politics (yes, I agree they suck. I live here.) But if people hated them THAT much? Our housing costs would be coming down. They're not... which goes to show you that for the people leaving, there are plenty (from California) eager to come and take their place.

Initech

(108,967 posts)
24. People move because they watch Fox and it fills their head with garbage.
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 12:03 AM
Nov 2023

Then they actually do and hate it. Stop watching Fox News!

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