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tblue37

(65,227 posts)
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 12:23 AM Nov 2023

George Takei for the win:

A Democrat was in the White House when my family was sent to the internment camps in 1941. It was an egregious violation of our human and civil rights.

It would have been understandable if people like me said they’d never vote for a Democrat again, given what had been done to us.

But being a liberal, being a progressive, means being able to look past my own grievances and concerns and think of the greater good. It means working from within the Democratic party to make it better, even when it has betrayed its values.

I went on to campaign for Adlai Stevenson when I became an adult. I marched for civil rights and had the honor of meeting Dr. Martin Luther King. I fought for redress for my community and have spent my life ensuring that America understood that we could not betray our Constitution in such a way ever again.

Bill Clinton broke my heart when he signed DOMA into law. It was a slap in the face to the LGBTQ community. And I knew that we still had much work to do. But I voted for him again in 1996 despite my misgivings, because the alternative was far worse. And my obligation as a citizen was to help choose the best leader for it, not to check out by not voting out of anger or protest.

There is no leader who will make the decision you want her or him to make 100 percent of the time. Your vote is a tool of hope for a better world. Use it wisely, for it is precious. Use it for others, for they are in need of your support, too.


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George Takei for the win: (Original Post) tblue37 Nov 2023 OP
Saw this today. Saved it, knowing it would be important to remind people Attilatheblond Nov 2023 #1
Excellent! Thank you. tblue37 Nov 2023 #3
To be honest, sometimes Marriage isn't Marriage Seinan Sensei Nov 2023 #26
This 100%. oasis Nov 2023 #2
MAGATs would call Mr. Takei weak for not taking revenge Martin Eden Nov 2023 #4
Mr. Takei is such a treasure Skittles Nov 2023 #5
George Takei is brilliant, & more importantly, he is deeply wise Hekate Nov 2023 #6
He says what we all feel. ffr Nov 2023 #7
Takei is a very wise man. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #8
The perfect is the enemy of the good. Purists are enemies of pragmatists Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2023 #9
I cast thee out, o unpure one, for misspelling Hair Furor! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #16
George True Blue American Nov 2023 #10
They didn't put German Americans in camps. Lucky Luciano Nov 2023 #13
Maybe not, but True Blue American Nov 2023 #18
Are you saying that, because your grandparents were treated niyad Nov 2023 #20
You are totally and utterly misunderstanding. The point is that Americans whose roots were in Germany or Martin68 Nov 2023 #28
They weren't interned in camps, though. yardwork Nov 2023 #24
Reading comprehension is your friend. George did NOT say niyad Nov 2023 #14
Safely? lonely bird Nov 2023 #17
They weren't interested in taking in Jews ExWhoDoesntCare Nov 2023 #21
Nope. Nor children. ancianita Nov 2023 #27
George didn't say a Democrat started the war SpankMe Nov 2023 #22
No need to misrepresent the internment camps for Japanese Americans. yardwork Nov 2023 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #11
Beautifully stated by Mr. Takei. (nt) Paladin Nov 2023 #12
Thank you, George. niyad Nov 2023 #15
Beautifully said redqueen Nov 2023 #19
Got the chance to meet him at a comic con right before COVID hit Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #25
Mr. Takei is terrific.. whathehell Nov 2023 #29
SO TRUE!! TY & George Takei!! Cha Nov 2023 #30
I have always said UpInArms Nov 2023 #31
A wise good man who speaks truth. NoMoreRepugs Nov 2023 #32
Exactly, George. The Lib way is for OTHERS more than ourselves UTUSN Nov 2023 #33
Wise words... AmBlue Nov 2023 #34

Seinan Sensei

(351 posts)
26. To be honest, sometimes Marriage isn't Marriage
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 01:54 PM
Nov 2023

As in, Marriage is not "absolutely perfect"
Often Marriage is a lot like the proverbial bus ride
(But then there are those days when you get to Uber exactly to your destination!)

Martin Eden

(12,845 posts)
4. MAGATs would call Mr. Takei weak for not taking revenge
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 01:10 AM
Nov 2023

But George Takei possesses much greater strength and wisdom than they can comprehend.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
7. He says what we all feel.
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 03:27 AM
Nov 2023

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater! Vote to make a better future, if not for yourself, for others. We're stronger together.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,959 posts)
9. The perfect is the enemy of the good. Purists are enemies of pragmatists
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 05:44 AM
Nov 2023

I think reality is so complex it requires pragmatism to deal with it. By reality, I include dealing with people. That means controlling as needed and able and negotiating when reasonable and avoiding losing interactions if possible.

Purism is 2016 voting for Jill Stein (and hence tRump) because no Democrat is perfect enough.

Pragmatism is getting things done and not fighting battles until they can be won. Sometimes battles are forced on us, and then we fight.

Internal purism leads to Maoist Cultural Revolutions. A lot of good that did China. Not.
Internal purism leads to Wahabi fighting Shia fighting Sunni fighting Sufi.
Internal purism is the Republican Party become a rump party by demanding loyalty to Hair Fuhrer.

Pragmatism is a successful strategy that gets many needed things done.

Purism gets little done. The GQP is constantly primarying itself for purity. Part of the reason the Red Wave became a pinkish slush puddle, 15 votes for Speaker, two Speakers in one year, Continuing Resolutions, etc.

Christian nationalism is purism.
Banning books is purism.
White nationalism is purism.

Don't be a Puritan or a purist.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,254 posts)
16. I cast thee out, o unpure one, for misspelling Hair Furor!
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 09:43 AM
Nov 2023

Ok, maybe not casting so much as
k&r the OP and interesting responses.

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
10. George
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 06:16 AM
Nov 2023

A Democrat did not start the war. Germany amd Japan did. A Democrat did end the war.
George is a Japanese American who spent time in American camps as a child, safely.

niyad

(113,062 posts)
20. Are you saying that, because your grandparents were treated
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 11:48 AM
Nov 2023

badly, that made it okay to IMPRISON American citizens in camps? Confiscate their property? Destroy their lives? Please tell me that I am misunderstanding.

Martin68

(22,765 posts)
28. You are totally and utterly misunderstanding. The point is that Americans whose roots were in Germany or
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 05:25 PM
Nov 2023

Japan were treated as untrustworthy and second class US citizens during WWII.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
24. They weren't interned in camps, though.
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 01:50 PM
Nov 2023

They didn't have their belongings confiscated. They were allowed to go about their business.

niyad

(113,062 posts)
14. Reading comprehension is your friend. George did NOT say
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 09:37 AM
Nov 2023

Last edited Mon Nov 27, 2023, 11:49 AM - Edit history (1)

that a Democrat started the war. He SAID it was a President, who was a Democrat, who signed the papers authorizing the internment of AMERICAN CITIZENS. Safely??? Perhaps you could read up on the history of those camps. Visit Manzanar. Explain the appropriation of properties, businesses, LIVES.

lonely bird

(1,676 posts)
17. Safely?
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 09:46 AM
Nov 2023

Interesting word. Perhaps you would feel safe if Trump gets elected and decides to round you up and send you to a camp? Perhaps you would feel safe when your property or business is confiscated? Do you think the Jews felt safe when they were rounded up and their belongings confiscated before the “Final Solution” was implemented?

Btw, this country along with others wasn’t much interested in taking in Jews before the war started.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
22. George didn't say a Democrat started the war
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 01:47 PM
Nov 2023

He said a Democrat signed off on sending Japanese-Americans into camps.

It's better to read entire posts first and take away their larger points rather than take some isolated internal phrase from the post and use it to bang people over the head.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
23. No need to misrepresent the internment camps for Japanese Americans.
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 01:49 PM
Nov 2023

They were wrong, and the U.S. government has apologized for committing this wrong.

Accept Takei's gracious and important point.

Response to tblue37 (Original post)

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,905 posts)
25. Got the chance to meet him at a comic con right before COVID hit
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 01:53 PM
Nov 2023

He is a wonderful human. Talked to each person in line as an individual. Very sweet human. So is his husband.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
31. I have always said
Mon Nov 27, 2023, 07:20 PM
Nov 2023

I don’t even agree with myself 100% of the time, so why would I expect to agree with anyone else that often

AmBlue

(3,103 posts)
34. Wise words...
Tue Nov 28, 2023, 04:54 PM
Nov 2023

...for an exhausted and disillusioned America. I hope those who need to hear are listening.

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