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[gab13by13]

The big news from yesterday was proof how involved that Congressional Magats were involved in the coup to overturn our democracy.

We have more evidence now about the plot to not certify Electoral votes from several states that Joe Biden won, but to send them back to the states that were controlled by Magats.

The plan was for several coup plotting Senators like Hawley and Cruz to object to certifying several states won by Biden, then VP Pence would block the certification.

Magats didn't know if Pence was on board so they went with plan B; Pence would take a powder and the next man in line was Chuck Grassley and Grassley was more than willing to help with the coup.

Lucky for democracy, Mike Pence's son convinced his dad to do the right thing and our democracy was saved: for now.

I clicked on DU fully expecting this to be at the top of the greatest hits list. If we can't make what was revealed yesterday the top news of the day at DU then stop expecting the MSM to do it.

Rant off; no wait. Magats learned from the last coup so they won't try to overturn the election at the time of the Electoral vote count. Magat election officials in several districts in several states that Biden will have won, will claim some bogus election fraud and stop the states from certifying the election. You can bank on that happening.

[muriel_volestrangler]

1. So I looked for an item in Google News involving Hawley, Cruz, Pence and Grassley, as you reported

and the most recent was Daily Kos on 2 Aug.

Maybe you could link to an article you thought so many DUers had already read and expected to be talking about?

[MiHale]

4. Liz Cheney's book ...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/28/politics/liz-cheney-trump-mccarthy-book/index.html

In her new book, former Rep. Liz Cheney paints a scathing portrait of the Republican Party, condemning her former colleagues and party leaders as “enablers and collaborators,” who after the 2020 election were “willing to violate their oath to the Constitution out of political expediency and loyalty to Donald Trump.”

Very interesting article.

[malaise]

2. I tried 😀

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218488361

[Prairie Gates]

3. Too busy defending Melania, sorry!

[obamanut2012]

8. No one defended Melania

[Hotler]

19. +1

[redqueen]

22. Wow. Three recs for this. Welcome to du

[PatrickforB]

36. I have seen no one defending Melania. I am assuming you are referring to her dress at Rosalynn Carter's funeral.

While gray is generally accepted at a funeral, black is better and light gray is a bit 'off.' There is also some nuance as it was a gray coat which she did not remove. We cannot excuse her by saying it is cultural, because in Eastern Europe, black is derigeur.

I can remember remarking on one post that at least she did not wear her "I don't care, do you?" coat. That was good...

But I have not seen one single post defending her. Why would anyone do so. I did have compassion for her because when Trumpy was elected it became clear she was far, far out of her depth in her new role as First Lady. She did lose me with the 'I don't care' label on the back of her coat, which marked her as low-class, or perhaps proletarian.

Her father was a member of the Communist party in Slovenia, and she was set to study design and engineering to serve the state when she won a modeling contest. This led to a contract with a European agency and some nude modeling. She was trying to get out of Eastern European post USSR poverty, you see.

She met Trumpy through Paolo Zampolli, who was an owner of the european modeling agency, and then moved to NYC where she continued her modeling career. She dated Trumpy and they married in '05, but apparently there was a 'lewd' interview in 1999 with Howard Stern that put her on the 'front page.'

It is sad to me, as the father of three daughters and grandfather of two girls, that Melania had to trade on her looks just to escape grinding poverty. It sickens me that women are always judged on how they look instead of on their accomplishments and abilities.

It is a sad story, and I think a nightmare for her with all that is going on now. She was never ready for the First Lady role, probably never wanted it. For me, I guess I feel sorry for her and millions of other women who do exactly what she did to try and escape hard, hard lives.

[Ferrets are Cool]

5. SMFH

[gab13by13]

6. I get a lot of my news from places that I can't link,

I will be going over to Stephanie Miller soon, I go to Thom Hartmann at noon, I religiously watched Nicolle Wallace but bless her, I will miss her. There are several liberal sites that I will click on, I used to subscribe to The Nation when it first came out. Daily Kos is good, several others I will click on.

I see the headlines scroll across my computer home page with right wing propaganda and I never click on them. It bugs me when The Hill gets sourced here, the rag that employed John Solomon.

This is scary shit. As far as I am concerned the vast majority of Congressional Magats are actively working to bring down our democracy. That should be splashed across MSM headlines. Who isn't involved? Mitt Romney? People who aren't involved are retiring. I don't even see where Susan Collins is concerned.

[Traildogbob]

11. Yesterday

Randi Rhodes showed two videos, one of Roger Stone and one of Bannon, ranting prior to elections explaining exactly what the 6th turned out to be, in detail and bragging about taking the country over.
I assume Jack has that but why is Randi the only place I have seen it?
Our TV’s are in sync, but I also watch Rachel and O’Donnell as well .

[gab13by13]

13. Yes Yes Yes

We knew about Chuck Grassley from the beginning,

WTF hasn't the FBI had a sit down with him? WTF

Andrew Weissmann yesterday, asked the same question. Grassley should at least be questioned otherwise they flaunt their Congressional immunity from prosecution.

[Autumn]

14. Investigating them would set a bad precedent. So would putting them in prison.

I ask myself every fucking day as to why they aren't on trial. There should be updates every fucking day on them from the so called doj.

[redqueen]

23. So-called DoJ is right.

Still keeping their powder dry, I guess

[Autumn]

28. Not investigating those bastards is a disgrace. Might as well do away with the doj because there is no

justice. What they did was so open.

[Hekate]

50. "Might as well do away with the DOJ" ?! Seriously, you said that. MAGA-GOP wd be overjoyed.

[Autumn]

60. Why yes I did say that. They have done nothing with those insurrectionist traitors. And they won't.

I stand by it and I have seen nothing that proves me wrong. Not one damn thing.

[Hekate]

61. A bunch of people doing prison time for 1/6 would beg to differ

[Autumn]

63. Trump's idiots are not who is under discussion. You might want to read the sub thread, you might understand the

conversation then. Congressional traitors have not been investigated.

[triron]

58. When weissmann questions it makes one wonder.

[Goddessartist]

12. Same here

It is scary shit. I was wondering when Grassley would come up.

I did read this yesterday, but had my 2 year old grandson, and will have him again today.

Love your posts, and thank you for your OP.

[RB77]

7. Thank You

I certainly agree. Sometimes I feel that folks here are obsessing in their pet issues while the foundation of democracy is being ripped out from underneath us. My imagination might be running wild, - however I’ve been wondering if all the crazy things that have been happening in Congress are a subterfuge to keep us occupied while they (republicans) are gaming the system to cheat their way into permanent power. As Beau would say, - - - “Just a thought”

[Delphinus]

10. Welcome to DU!

[RB77]

17. Thanks for the welcome

Actually, - I’ve been lurking here for a very long time, since George W. was elected. I’m kinda shy therefore I don’t like to post an opinion unless I’m convinced that what I have to say is prodigiously brilliant! (tee- hee)

[gab13by13]

18. It's not just a thought

Google Project 2025 being spearheaded by the Heritage Foundation, scary shit.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

67. Project 2025

Terrifies me. I dont know if they would go after me being trans,very left,a satanist/ pagan/ malthiest,having mental illness being disabled and poor. I seem to hit every checkbox for what these right wing asshole people hate.

[twodogsbarking]

24. DUers post on many topics that aren't at all related to saving democracy.

Keep on postin'.

[TwilightZone]

32. Welcome to DU.

You'll quickly find that we freak out about pretty much everything, so it may seem that we're obsessing about our pet issues (and we are), but we're also well aware of the threats to democracy, and you'll find a lot of discussion about them here.

That being said, not everything is worthy of the same level of outrage, and that's something that we'll always have to work on. Melania attending a memorial service, for example, is not on the same level as Trump wanting to use the military to "fix" liberal cities, but it sometimes seems like they get the same attention. We could use a filter.

[czarjak]

9. Jodey Arrington is in that mix.

A real piece of work.

[relayerbob]

15. The only part of it that was news ...

is that a little more has been brought out into the light. We've known all along that they didn't expect Pence to show up if he wasn't willing to decertify the vote. Hawley and many others in both chambers were obviously involved. That Pence's son was involved to convince Pence to do the right thing is, frankly, of little consequence. Remember he also spoke to Dan Quayle, and likely others about it. The part that disturbs me is that these assholes are selling books about it, and profiting off their treason.

[gab13by13]

16. Congressman Ken Buck of Colorado

is as Magat as it gets, but he came out and blasted Republicans for lying to the American people about the stolen election.

He is quitting, others are quitting because the fascists are pushing them out.

Honest state election officials got pushed out by Magats, can you blame them, they got death threats and we were told 2 years ago that when Kristen Clarke was confirmed to the Civil rights division of DOJ that those threats would be addressed. BS, we have had thousands of threats and only 3 people have been arrested.

The Insurrection did not end on J6, it is growing, the Project 2025 group has been working hard.

We need the coup planners to be held accountable, sooner rather than, oops, it's too late.

[Kingofalldems]

26. So should we give up?

[gab13by13]

29. Absolutely not,

When I hear how corrupt that Magats are it fires me up.

I will donate money to my Senator up for reelection. My district is hopeless, we only had a write-in candidate it is so bad.

I used to write letters to the editor to my local red neck newspaper, until they began editing and then rejecting my letters. I stopped subscribing and I went right to their office and told them why.

Knowledge is power, we must stay informed.

[Scrivener7]

41. You post all the time suggesting we should give up. No one else wants to give up,

as you have been informed many, many times. If you do, that's up to you. But it's ridiculous that you keep suggesting that others do the same. You should stop.

[Kingofalldems]

57. No I keep reading posts where Trump wins in the end.

This is the latest where Trump has people in place to steal the election and it is too late to stop him. The 'should we give up' is sarcasm directed at the OP with the tiresome 'Trump wins again' posts.

[Scrivener7]

59. No, you don't keep reading that. No one has said that.

YOU are the only one who has said it's too late to stop him.

Your constant refrain that we should give up is not witty.

It is not making your point.

It's just a guy repeating over and over that we should give up.

[Kingofalldems]

65. Read the thread.

And BTW, I will continue to respond to 'Trump wins again' threads with sarcasm.

[Scrivener7]

66. You respond repeatedly to threads that don't say that with suggestions we give up.

Again, you aren't making the point you think you are. You're just a guy saying over and over that we should give up.

[Ohio Joe]

39. Only 3? Got a link for that?

Silly me, of course you don’t. I do though:

https://www.unomaha.edu/ncite/news/2023/08/simi-report-compressed.pdf

In 2020 it was 62, 2021 it was 58, 2022 it was 74 and this year it’s on track to continue the trend upward.

[Ponietz]

20. Send a memo to Wray

The FBI was “hands off” or complicit.

[gab13by13]

21. Federalist Society member Chris Wray,

lied to Congress about the intelligence leading up to J6. He should be fired for that. Peter Strzok would make a great FBI Director.

[Ponietz]

48. Wray's former law firm represented Gazprom and Rosneft

Last edited Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:30 AM - Edit history (1)

Suppose Wray had gone to another firm that was adversarial to Russian energy interests. Vladimir Putin’s stoolies are former clients of his law firm.

The Rules of Professional Conduct impute Wray’s disqualification from all matters substantially related to the former course of his firm’s representation. Great pick in 2017 — the FBI Director is involved in matters he would be excluded from if he were a personal injury attorney. ETHICAL DISGRACE.

[obamanut2012]

25. Did you post an OP about it?

[CrispyQ]

27. Except for the part about Pence's son telling him to do the right thing,

most of DU was already aware that Grassley stepped in it regarding Pence not being there & then suddenly Pence announced he would be there. We've known this almost since it happened, although the original story it was Dan Quail who advised him. Maybe it was both since holy Mike was so conflicted about the right thing to do.

[dweller]

31. Judge Luttig

was also consulted Jan 4th, 2021 by Pence, and told Pence he had no power to alter electoral count.


✌🏻

[CrispyQ]

33. Too bad there isn't an "Oath App" you know, like Speaker Mike's porn app. -nt

[TwilightZone]

30. We knew most of that already.

That's why it isn't news. I'm not sure why it's news to you. The only thing that's new is the confirmation that if Pence intended not to go, Grassley was planning on stepping in.

That's pretty much exactly what Grassley said, though he also initially said he didn't expect Pence to attend, of course, which he clarified almost immediately.

We somehow made that into some kind of silly conspiracy that never existed. There's also zero evidence that Grassley intended not to certify. We pretty much made that up, too.

[gab13by13]

34. The news about Pence's son

shoots down your defense of Grassley, and that is new.

I already said we knew about the Grassley plot when it unfolded and now we have more confirmation about their plan.

Why in heaven's name would Chesbro send a text that showed Grassley as a replacement for Pence? Chesbro was in on the coup.

You did make me laugh when you said we have no proof that Grassley was going to go along with the coup, maybe someone in law enforcement should investigate him to get some evidence?

[catbyte]

35. Yeah, I was surprised, too. I posted about it yesterday and got 4 recs and 2 comments.

https://democraticunderground.com/100218487539

I thought it was pretty damning, but with the non-responses, maybe I was making a bigger deal of it than it was?

[gab13by13]

40. Sorry I missed your thread

I was out shopping for tires for my car.

Why this is important news to me is that it shows more evidence how so many members of Congress were involved in the coup plot, and that is scary. Even no statement from Susan Collins that she is concerned.

The bigger picture for me is that Trump has everyone fearful of him and his horde of Magats.

[muriel_volestrangler]

52. I can't see how we went from "Pence needed his son to remind him of his oath" to "more evidence of Congress member ...

... involvement in the coup plot". Different people. Maybe this confusion is why no one on DU was able to write a thread title saying "new evidence on plotting by Congress members" - because there wasn't anything new.

[Qutzupalotl]

37. Liz Cheney will be on with Rachel on Monday.

Rachel typically reads the highlights, so that will give them more play.

[gab13by13]

38. Cheney wants to show everyone that Trump knew he lost

but from what I hear from her book she gets that information second hand from Mark Meadows.

I'm sure there will be more to it than that and I certainly plan on watching.

Will the MSM even cover proof that Trump knew he lost?

Meadows is the guy who will bring Trump down, he was involved in everything.

[oasis]

51. Liz Cheney on Rachel M.

Definitely a “must see”.

[flashman13]

42. I'm with you gab13by13. That article should be printed in red

on every news platform in the country. Olbermann thought so too in his rant this morning.

[Irish_Dem]

43. It is old news. We already knew about it.

Hawley, Cruz, Grassley plot.

Americans didn't care then.
They won't care now.

[LudwigPastorius]

44. Sorry, I didn't talk about what you thought I should talk about.

[Baitball Blogger]

45. What a feeling of despair knowing that there's no way to fight this battle because

there is no way to stop them when they're so embedded in our political body. We have to pass laws to protect the next generation from these kinds of abuses.

[republianmushroom]

46. And very little investigation of the insurrection by the DoJ of sitting Senators or house members.

[gab13by13]

53. As I said a year ago,

Congressional Magats have immunity. They seized Scott Perry's phone and can't access it because of the speech and debate clause.

I said back then that when they do something to Perry then I will change my tune. Perry is the head of a committee investigating the FBI.

[republianmushroom]

55. 34 months and counting

[librechik]

47. Grassley needs to get a subpoena, He's clearly an insurrectionist.

However he spun around and voted for certification in the end. Needs investigation.

[usonian]

54. The court of public opinion can get the job done if energized.

I believe that the Jan 6 hearings had a lot of influence. They were masterfully produced.

A book will probably have less impact, but should help.

Repeating the facts, for example, in the senate and house, would keep the sedition in focus, as will the Georgia trials.

Denials and coverup attempts would just reinforce the valid points being made.

[redqueen]

56. Yet another thread

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218488725

Did you do a search?

[ProfessorGAC]

62. There Was A Thread Yesterday About This

I'm sure because I posted to it.

[canetoad]

64. It doesn't sit right with me

When we, DU as a whole, is castigated for not discussing a certain subject.