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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSchumer Condemns Antisemitism, Warning the Left Against Abetting It
In a deeply personal speech from the Senate floor aimed largely at members of his own party, Mr. Schumer, the countrys highest-ranking Jewish elected official, issued a more than 40-minute explanation and condemnation of antisemitism in America that has flared since Israel began retaliating against Hamas for its Oct. 7 terrorist attack against defenseless Israeli civilians.
In the wake of the attack, he said, many Americans had skipped over any expression of sympathy for the victims and instead attacked the past actions of the Israeli government against the Palestinians.
Can anybody imagine a horrific terrorist attack in another country receiving such a reception? he asked, noting that the long arc of history had taught Jews a painful lesson: ultimately, that we are alone.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/29/us/politics/schumer-antisemitism-israel-hamas.html
Thank you for always speaking truth and standing against hate, Senator Schumer!
claudette
(5,455 posts)Many need to be reminded of what you say. But, I don't personally know of ANYONE who "skipped over expressions of sympathy" for those who suffered and died on 10/7. But, I really don't understand how expressing compassion for the parents and families of dead Palestinians can be seen as something wrong? It proves that the Jewish people are NOT alone in their suffering. There is enough hatred to go around and it is deadly.
To express sympathy with ALL those who suffer is not anti-anyone. It is anti violence.
Of course, my heart hurts for the families of those who were killed on 10/7 and don't blame them for wanting to punish the people who caused that horror. But, one cannot easily erase (over 14,000 so far) the lives of Palestinians who were NOT involved in helping Hamas inflict such pain on Israelis.
So, I admire Senator Schumer and understand how he feels, but I don't think accusing others of abetting
anti-semitism simply because they don't want more death is really accurate. The Jewish members of my family are suffering in their mind for ALL those who are caught up in this conflict. Praying for peace and for leaders who actually WANT peace.
Please don't see this post as an attack on a Democratic Senator. I love my Senator and I want to end
anti-semitism and Islamaphobia as well. All hate is bad. Period. Rant over.....
Hekate
(100,133 posts)glad I missed it. All those in my family and my friends have expressed horror and sympathy for what the Israelis suffered on 10/7. One young Jewish member of my family has offered himself as a "friend to talk to" to those in his neighborhood who may need to share their feelings. It hurts him that much.
What we don't hear much in the news is from the innocent Palestinians who have also lost loved ones, their homes and almost everything. I think our hearts should be big enough to hold TWO sets of sympathy for those in pain on both sides. I don't see that as abetting anti-semitism.
MOMFUDSKI
(7,080 posts)treatment of the Palestinian people. Living in an open-air prison. Stop it
claudette
(5,455 posts)something like that in his speech. Not sure what the most EFFECTIVE solution would be, but bombing a land into oblivion doesn't seem like a good one.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,853 posts)What was happening then? There were approximately 6,000,000 European Jews killed between 1933-1945. What was happening then?
onenote
(46,143 posts)In the 1960s, I had pennies thrown at me in the school hallway while being called a kike. Also back in the 1960s, during the Kennedy Administration, a co-worker of my father, a federal government employee, was intentionally subscribed to Gerald L. K. Smith's antisemitic magazine, the Cross and the Flag. In the 1990s, I had a Clinton appointee drunkenly refer to me as "Jewboy" at a party.
So, if anyone should "stop it", it is you with your rationalizations and false justifications.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)The antisemitism prior to the creation of Israel?
I hear it got pretty bad in the 30s and 40s but was around long before then.
CincyDem
(7,392 posts)Hitler was just protesting the treatment of the Palestinians.
DemocratSinceBirth
(101,853 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)
at what is going on in my online home of 20+ years. Sick at heart and also a sense of physical illness.
I do hope you read The Magistrates post. Please.
Read it. Its not visible to me
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Reply to claudette (Reply #5)
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 01:08 PM
This is Hamas' battle drill.
First, commit sadistic atrocity against Jews.
Second, hide among non-combatants, so any military effort against them must kill non-combatants as well.
Third, point to the resulting corpses as evidence of Jewish war crimes and genocide.
Fourth, count on good-hearted human beings to say exactly that, that Israel is committing war crimes and genocide, and thus rein in efforts to break Hamas well short of achieving success.
The pretense that aligning with the propaganda efforts of Hamas is consonant with opposing, even detesting Hamas and its goals is insupportable. Echoing the Hamas propaganda line assists Hamas in achieving both its short-term and long-term goals. These being to survive as a force capable of mass atrocity in the short term, and in the long term to render 'Palestine' free of Jews from the river to the sea, and establish a theocratic order there similar to that of Iran or Afghanistan's Taliban.
"So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot."
claudette
(5,455 posts)ignores the history of this long-lived conflict. Long before Hamas existed Zionist governments believe the Bible gave the land to them. Unless there is a two state solution there will never be peace. All that does NOT mean Thai I support Hamas. I detest what they do
Now I realize why I didnt see that post. A while ago he replied so condescendingly to one of my posts so I said bye and put him on ignore instead of risking an argument.
Regardless of all those words he said I STILL dont think its anti-Semitic to express concern for the THOUSANDS of dead innocent Palestinians.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)
the organization you continue to excuse.
You may not like it, but it is true. Thats what using human shields means.
Im done. I do NOT excuse Hamas. How could you say that? I thought you understood what I said. Obviously you didnt. Bye
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Ill see you around, even if you dont see me. DUs a big place.
Cha
(319,086 posts)Last edited Thu Nov 30, 2023, 01:21 AM - Edit history (1)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18489157
HAMAS the Butchering Sadistic Terrorist org's Mission is Written and it's Not what you say.
Released on August 18, 1988, the original covenant spells out clearly Hamass genocidal intentions. Accordingly, what happened in Israel on Saturday is completely in keeping with Hamass explicit aims and stated objectives. It was in fact the inchoate realization of Hamass true ambitions.
The most relevant of the documents 36 articles can be summarized as falling within four main themes:
The complete destruction of Israel as an essential condition for the liberation of Palestine and the establishment of a theocratic state based on Islamic law (Sharia),
The need for both unrestrained and unceasing holy war (jihad) to attain the above objective,
The deliberate disdain for, and dismissal of, any negotiated resolution or political settlement of Jewish and Muslim claims to the Holy Land, and
The reinforcement of historical anti-Semitic tropes and calumnies married to sinister conspiracy theories.
https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2023/10/hamas-covenant-israel-attack-war-genocide/675602/
Not sure Why you're giving HAMAS a pass on this.
Over a month after Hamas brutal attack on Israel and her people, both parties have agreed to a deal on hostage and prisoner exchanges, and a ceasefire to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza. While civilians will receive food, water, and emergency care amid the exchange negotiations, Hamas radical indoctrination of antisemitism will continue to spread.
The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight Jews and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out: O Moslem, there is a Jew hiding behind me, come and kill him, reads the Hamas Covenant that outlines a path to the groups goal of destroying Israel through jihad. This mantra, riddled with blatant hate, was clearly reflected when the terrorist group broke an ongoing ceasefire with its attack on Israel on October 7 that prompted this wave of conflict. Footage of Israeli citizens being shot while driving their cars, children being murdered in their bunk beds, and families hunted in their own neighborhoods brings this atrocity of a covenant to the public eye.
https://newhouse.house.gov/media/weekly-columns-and-op-eds/hamas-israel-will-exist-and-will-continue-exist-until-islam-will
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18490673
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)And were justifiably criticized for it.
Something like well, Israel has killed a lot of kids too.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)I actually read that *somewhere* in a thread on DU today.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218488454
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I can't imagine anyone not knowing by now that Hamas's stated mission is to kill every Jew they can find and annihilate Israel.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)So much both-siderism, so little time.
Actually, according to our busy-busy members, only one side is really at fault.
Cha
(319,086 posts)I'm thinking crickets for a response.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)Goddessartist
(2,176 posts)It seems the same group is picking on her again. She's been accused of supporting Hamas over and over by these guys.
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)From Senator Schumer's speech:
In general, Jewish Americans represent 2 percent of the U.S. population, yet we are the targets of 55 percent of all religion-based hate crimes recorded by the FBI. This problem has been steadily worsening in recent years, but after Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th, hate crimes against Jewish Americans have skyrocketed.
The Anti-Defamation League estimates that antisemitic incidents have increased nearly 300 percent since October 7th. The NYPD has recorded a 214-percent increase in New York City.
It's not unreasonable to suspect that "antisemitic incidents" are far higher than reported.
Nor I.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Link to tweet
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Progressive allies of Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., promoted the Times Square rally Sunday, highlighting a divide over Israel on the left.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-condemns-hatred-antisemitism-palestinian-rcna119687
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Speakers mocked slain civilians and called for the elimination of Israel
At a pro-Hamas rally on Sunday in the heart of New York City, speaker after speaker praised the slaughter of civilians that had taken place in Israel the day before, after the militant group overwhelmed Israeli defenses in an audacious, unexpected raid.
And as you might have seen, there was some sort of rave or desert party where they were having a great time, until the resistance came in electrified hang gliders and took at least several dozen hipsters, one speaker joked about the Hamas assault on a desert rave, where horrific scenes of murder and rape took place.
https://news.yahoo.com/socialist-rally-in-times-square-praising-hamas-terror-attack-draws-widespread-condemnation-204123785.html
Mad_Machine76
(24,958 posts)Criticizing Israel's government for its actions against Palestinian CIVILIANS does NOT equal the following things:
1. We don't care about Israelis
2. We don't care about 10/7 and the victims of that day
3. We support Hamas
4. We are anti-Semitic or hate Jewish people or want to see them mistreated
I hate that we just keep going through this big song and dance all the time when it comes to being critical of certain aspects of Israeli policy towards Palestinians or of Netanyahu. Just like with our own country, we can be critical of our own country and still love it and want to defend it.
claudette
(5,455 posts)Amen and thank you!!
Chautauquas
(4,489 posts)BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)Butterflylady
(4,584 posts)And for that, my condolences.
BannonsLiver
(20,595 posts)JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)claudette
(5,455 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)This is Hamas' battle drill.
First, commit sadistic atrocity against Jews.
Second, hide among non-combatants, so any military effort against them must kill non-combatants as well.
Third, point to the resulting corpses as evidence of Jewish war crimes and genocide.
Fourth, count on good-hearted human beings to say exactly that, that Israel is committing war crimes and genocide, and thus rein in efforts to break Hamas well short of achieving success.
The pretense that aligning with the propaganda efforts of Hamas is consonant with opposing, even detesting Hamas and its goals is insupportable. Echoing the Hamas propaganda line assists Hamas in achieving both its short-term and long-term goals. These being to survive as a force capable of mass atrocity in the short term, and in the long term to render 'Palestine' free of Jews from the river to the sea, and establish a theocratic order there similar to that of Iran or Afghanistan's Taliban.
"So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don't even know that fire is hot."
Cha
(319,086 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)You say it so much better than I could ever do
mcar
(46,059 posts)CincyDem
(7,392 posts)betsuni
(29,078 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,140 posts)November 6, 2001 Posted: 10:13 p.m. EST (0313 GMT)
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush said Tuesday that there was no room for neutrality in the war against terrorism.
(snip)
"A coalition partner must do more than just express sympathy, a coalition partner must perform," Bush said. "That means different things for different nations. Some nations don't want to contribute troops and we understand that. Other nations can contribute intelligence-sharing. ... But all nations, if they want to fight terror, must do something."
Bush said he would not point out any specific countries in his speech.
"Over time it's going to be important for nations to know they will be held accountable for inactivity," he said. "You're either with us or against us in the fight against terror." (Full story)
(snip)
https://edition.cnn.com/2001/US/11/06/gen.attack.on.terror/
Fortunately, since then, humanity has grown beyond such simple mindedness.
The thing about history in Israel, Gaza and the West Bank is that it didn't begin and end with the atrocities of October 7th, and I believe too many people wish to ignore that critical dynamic or just sweep it under the rug.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)You cannot possibly believe this. Humans remain every bit as simpleminded as ever, and even the simplest mind knows some choices are this or that with nothing of note in between.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,140 posts)of embedded memory strands which shape us.
We have memories and biological information which have programmed us that humans from the year 400AD never had, just as their memories were altered from those of humans from 2000 BC.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)You will note the frequency with which some President or other is held less popular or more popular as prices for gasoline rise and fall. It's not because a President has any particular influence on the price at the pump. It's because people still 'think' with the same root attitudes that held a Chinese emperor responsible for poor rains or flooding. The ruler is interface between Earth and Heaven, and if Heaven does not smile it owes to lack of virtue in the ruler, while if Heaven does smile, it is because such virtue resides in the leader that all is in harmony, as it should be.
Uncle Joe
(65,140 posts)is taken into account, it's part of history.
That in turn affects how we think about our reality and then change from a neurological standpoint or grow from a societal standpoint which in turn affects more change to the individuals living in that society.
Whether we take our anxieties out on our political leaders or not, most humans living today, do not believe any ruler to be divine and this affects our actions.
I also believe the Internet is speeding this process up, and that's why the oligarchs are fighting against or trying to take it over.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)The feeling that the person in charge of the land is in charge of everything in it, and responsible for everything happening in it, is the 'default settling' of the human mind in societies of any complexity, and has been so long as these have existed. This will express itself in various forms, but it will be there. It will be there even when it's obviously nonesense.
"The chief use of reason is support of prejudice."
"Many would sooner die than think, and often they do."
Uncle Joe
(65,140 posts)as time passes more history or memories are added to the equation and human behavior is altered or changes.
"The feeling that the person in charge of the land is in charge of everything in it, and responsible for everything happening in it, is the 'default settling' of the human mind in societies of any complexity, and has been so long as these have existed. This will express itself in various forms, but it will be there. It will be there even when it's obviously nonesense."
That's not to say the initial memories are erased but they're modified and I believe if human society can survive long enough, that instinct will in be increasingly altered or curtailed.
Furthermore to go back to a previous post of yours
"You will note the frequency with which some President or other is held less popular or more popular as prices for gasoline rise and fall. It's not because a President has any particular influence on the price at the pump. It's because people still 'think' with the same root attitudes that held a Chinese emperor responsible for poor rains or flooding. The ruler is interface between Earth and Heaven, and if Heaven does not smile it owes to lack of virtue in the ruler, while if Heaven does smile, it is because such virtue resides in the leader that all is in harmony, as it should be."
Today, I think that's as much by design as instinct.
Who are the gatekeepers; of the information that most people absorb and what are their interests?
Do they have financial conflicts of interest in stoking or fanning the flames of anxiety with that goal in mind?
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I've never seen reason to share it.
Uncle Joe
(65,140 posts)I don't want you to stress yourself.
Peace to you.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Uncle Joe
(65,140 posts)they have free will, and they do so long as they operate or live within the bubble.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)markpkessinger
(8,912 posts)Thank you for this excellent reminder of why we should ALWAYS resist all-or-nothing thinking when it comes to war! Setting it up as, "you're either with us or against us," is a rhetorical pressure tactic with a pretty sordid history, and one which thinking people ought to resist, regardless of who speaks it!
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)It's a simple question.
It has a simple answer.
An either one or the other answer....
markpkessinger
(8,912 posts)Nice try, though.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Who lives and who dies is a pretty simple question. People don't go to war without perceiving themselves to be in a situation where that question must be asked, and answered with you, not me, motherfucker....
"In war only what is simple can succeed. But simple things are hard."
question everything
(52,134 posts)markpkessinger
(8,912 posts). . . The fact is, the question is being framed as, "Do you support the actions of the Israeli government in its response to the October 7 attacks, or do you support Hamas?" And that's rather like asking, "When did you stop beating your wife."
I support Israel's right to respond to the Hamas attacks. I do NOT believe those attacks give Israel an unfettered right to destroy Gaza, or to kill tens of thousands of innocent civilians!
LexVegas
(6,959 posts)Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)It is the same as it ever was. Bob and weave answers, "All Lives/Bigotries Matter" type of posts as soon as Jews/anti-Semitism is mentioned, "but, but, but...Jews (i.e. Israel) is responsible for anti-Semitism, and the excuses go on and on, along with, the "No True Liberal (Scotsman) fallacy and "I haven't seen it, so it doesn't exist" level of gaslighting.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)Whataboutism galore. It's a textbook full of fallacious arguments. And just plain false accusations, too.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)Cartoonist
(7,579 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)
for a gigantic march.
I was really taken aback at the group(s) marching with banners and signs referencing Zionism, and making it plain that Zionists were at fault for our predicament. I made a point of marching far away from them. I was middle aged, not a kid, and I just hadnt seen this before among political allies.
When I got home to California I talked it over with my husband, who was raised in New York City until he was 18. He said that the further Left you get in the US, the more openly anti-Semitic the groups are. I knew all along that while Im a Democrat, hes more to the Left but on this occasion he said that the reason he had not joined certain groups as a young man was the frank anti-Semitism.
American Jews were supporting and in the forefront of progressive politics long before I was born. Schumer is a treasure pay heed.
Cha
(319,086 posts)I was at the Gigantic Protest in NYC on Fev 15, 2003.
TY for Going to DC!
Mosby
(19,491 posts)Today, I come to the floor to speak on a subject of great importance: the rise of antisemitism in America.
I feel compelled to speak because I am the highest-ranking Jewish elected official in America; in fact, the highest-ranking Jewish elected official ever in American history.
And I have noticed a significant disparity between how Jewish people regard the rise of antisemitism, and how many of my non-Jewish friends regard it.
To us, the Jewish people, the rise of antisemitism is a crisis a five-alarm fire that must be extinguished.
For so many other people of good will, it is merely a problem, a matter of concern.
Today, I want to use my platform to explain why so many Jewish people see this problem as a crisis.
But before I get into that, I want to offer two important caveats about what this speech is not. This speech is not an attempt to label most criticism of Israel and the Israeli government generally as antisemitic. I dont believe that criticism is. And this speech is also not an attempt to pit hate towards one group against that of another.
I believe that bigotry against one group of Americans is bigotry against all, and thats why I have championed legislation like the COVID-19 Hate Crimes Act, which targets violence against Asian-Americans, and the Nonprofit Security Grant Program, which provides funding to help all houses of worship churches, mosques, synagogues, gurdwaras protect themselves from extremists.
When President Trump called for a Muslim ban during the first weeks of his presidency, I held an emergency press conference to protest the ban alongside a Muslim mom and four of her daughters, all dressed in chadors, who said they feared they might never see their father again.
It was a deeply distressing moment, and Im an emotional sort. I began to cry. President Trump saw me crying on TV and gave me a nickname, Cryin Chuck Schumer.
I was and am proud of that moniker. The growing and vibrant Arab American community is a vital part of our nation and of my city, and I condemn unequivocally any vitriol and hatred against them.
We tragically saw where such hatred can sometimes lead in Vermont this week. This is unacceptable.
But today, I want to focus my remarks on antisemitism because it hits so close to home for me and because I believe this moment demands it.
I have just said what this speech is not. So what IS this speech about?
I want to describe the fears and anxieties of many Jewish Americans right now, particularly after October 7th, who feel there are aspects of the debate around Israel and Gaza that are crossing over into antisemitism, with Jewish people being targeted simply for being Jewish, and having nothing to do with Israel.
I want to explain, through the lens of history, why this is so dangerous. The normalization and exacerbation of this rise in hate is the? danger many Jewish people fear most.
And finally, I want to suggest how and why I hope that all Americans of good will can come together and do a better job of condemning such views and behavior.
But first, lets establish the facts. There is no question that antisemitism is a serious problem in America:
In general, Jewish Americans represent 2 percent of the U.S. population, yet we are the targets of 55 percent of all religion-based hate crimes recorded by the FBI. This problem has been steadily worsening in recent years, but after Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th, hate crimes against Jewish Americans have skyrocketed.
The Anti-Defamation League estimates that antisemitic incidents have increased nearly 300 percent since October 7th. The NYPD has recorded a 214-percent increase in New York City.
After October 7th, Jewish Americans are feeling singled out, targeted, and isolated. In many ways, we feel alone.
The solidarity that Jewish Americans initially received from many of our fellow citizens was quickly drowned out by other voices.
While the dead bodies of Jewish Israelis were still warm, while hundreds of Jewish Israelis were being carried as hostages back to Hamas tunnels under Gaza, Jewish Americans were alarmed to see some of our fellow citizens characterize a brutal terrorist attack as justified because of the actions of the Israeli government.
A vicious, bloodcurdling, premeditated massacre of innocent men, women, children, the elderly justified!
Even worse, in some cases, people even celebrated what happened, describing it as the deserved fate of quote colonizers and calling for quote glory to the martyrs who carried out these heinous attacks.
Many of the people who have expressed these sentiments in America arent neo-Nazis, or card-carrying Klan members, or Islamist extremists. They are in many cases people that most liberal Jewish Americans felt previously were their ideological fellow travelers.
Not long ago, many of us marched together for Black and Brown lives, we stood against anti-Asian hatred, we protested bigotry against the LGBTQ community, we fought for reproductive justice out of the recognition that injustice against one oppressed group is injustice against all.
But apparently, in the eyes of some, that principle does not extend to the Jewish people.
The largely Ashkenazi survivors of decades of pogroms in Imperial Russia, the Holocaust under Nazi Germany, their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren; the Mizrahi, who were forcibly evicted from Arab countries, and their descendants; the many Sephardim who were scattered across the Mediterranean after they were expelled from Spain and Portugal in the late 1400s do they not deserve the solidarity of those who advocate for the rights and dignity of the oppressed, given the long history of persecution of the Jewish people throughout the world?
Many of those protesting Israeli policy note the at least 700,000 Palestinians displaced or forced from their homes in 1948, but they never mention the 600,000 Mizrahi Jews across the Arab world who were also displaced, whose property was confiscated, whose lives were threatened, who were expelled from their communities.
The hope at the time was that there would be two states. A Jewish State and a Palestinian State living side-by-side. The plan was for the State of Israel to absorb the Jewish people in Arab lands, and the new Palestinian State to absorb the Palestinians who now lived in Israel. In fact, Israel did absorb the displaced Jewish people of Arab lands, but the Arab nations instead sanctioned the United Nations to set up refugee camps for the Palestinians, refusing to accept the possibility that any of them would ever be relocated.
Several times throughout history, Israeli prime ministers called for a return to close to the pre-1967 borders established by the United Nations plan. Those calls were rejected by Yasser Arafat, the PLO, and the wider Arab community.
Many, if not most, Jewish Americans, including myself, support a two-state solution. We disagree with Prime Minister Netanyahu and his administrations encouragement of militant settlers in the West Bank, which has become a considerable obstacle to a two-state solution.
The reason why I invoke this history about the founding of the Israeli State is because forgetting or even deliberately ignoring this vital context is dangerous. Some of the most extreme rhetoric against Israel has emboldened antisemites who are attacking Jewish people simply because they are Jewish, independent of anything having to do with Israel.
Those who are inclined to examine the world through the lens of the oppressors versus the oppressed should take note that the many thousands of years of Jewish history are defined by oppression.
From October 7, 2023 in Southern Israel to 2018 at the Tree of Life Synagogue in Pittsburgh to 1999 at the Los Angeles JCC to 1986 at Neve Shalom synagogue in Istanbul to 1974 at Netev Meir Elementary School in Maalot to Yom Kippur, 1973 in the Golan Heights to 1972 at the Munich Olympics and Lod Airport to 1967 at the Straits of Tiran to the 1940s and 30s in Germany and Central Europe to the 1800s in the Pale of Settlement to 1679 in Yemen to 1492 in Spain, 1394 in France, 1290 in England to the Crusades of the Middle Ages to 629 in Galilee to the Year 73 in Jerusalem to 586 BC in Judea 722 BCE in Samaria
and the Thirteenth Century BCE in Egypt the Jewish people have been humiliated, ostracized, expelled, enslaved, and massacred for millennia.
To paraphrase lines recited year every year, century after century, at Passover over the seder table: This is the bread of affliction that our fathers ate in the land of Egypt. [
] In every generation, they rise up to destroy us.
For Jewish people all across the world, the history of our trauma going back many generations is central to any discussion about our future.
Too many Americans, especially in our younger generation, dont have a full understanding of this history. Because some Jewish people have done well in America, because Israel has increased its power and territory, there are people who feel that Jewish Americans are not vulnerable, that we have the strength and security to overcome prejudice and bigotry, that we have, to quote the language of some, become the oppressors.
In fact, antisemitic conspiracy theories often weaponize this very dynamic by pitting what successes the Jewish people have achieved against them, and against their fellow countrymen.
But for many Jewish Americans, any strength and security that we enjoy always feels tenuous. No matter how well were doing, it can all be taken away in an instant.
Thats just how it is. We only have to look back a century, a few generations, to see how this can happen.
Growing up, I remember my grandfather telling me that he rooted for Germany over Russia in World War I because Germans treated the Jewish people so much better than Russia did. In the early 1900s, German Jews were one of the most secure and prosperous ethnic communities in Europe.
But in the span of a decade, all of that changed. When the Nazis first marched in the streets and held rallies decrying the so-called international financiers, war profiteers, and communists, many Germans of good will either stayed silent, or marched alongside them, not necessarily realizing what they were aiding and abetting.
But when Adolf Hitler took the podium just a few years later at the Reichstag, it was clear by then that the terms international financiers, war profiteers, and communists represented the Jewish people who Hitler called parasites feeding on the body and productive work of other nations.
By bits and pieces, the Nazis softened the ground rhetorically for what Hitler eventually stated was his true goal: the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe.
And so many of those Germans of good will, who marched in the early years of Hitlers ascension, stayed on the sidelines after his horrifying intent was made clear.
The end result, as we all know, was the most targeted and systematic genocide in human history. Six million Jewish people were exterminated in a few years while others turned a blind eye.
History shows that antisemitism is deeply embedded in Europe. I have always said it is the poison of European society just as racism against Black Americans is the poison of our society.
And while we are thankfully a far ways away from Nazi Germany today, this is why many Jewish people worry about the marches today, especially in Europe.
What may begin as legitimate criticism of Israeli policy?,? or even a valid debate over other religious, economic?,? and political issues, can sometimes cross?? into something darker, into attacking Jewish people simply for being Jewish.
Obviously, many of those marching here in the U.S. do not have any evil intent, but when Jewish people hear chants like From the river to the sea, a founding slogan of Hamas, a terrorist group that is not shy about their goal to eradicate the Jewish people, in Israel and around the globe, we are alarmed.
When we see signs in the crowd that read By Any Means Necessary, after the most violent attack ever against Israeli civilians, we are appalled at the casual invocation of such savagery.
When we see protesters at the Macys Thanksgiving Day parade compare the genocide of the Holocaust equivalently to the Israeli armys actions to defeat Hamas in self-defense of their people, we are shocked.
And when we see many people and news organizations remain neutral about the basic absurdity of these claims and actions, we are deeply disappointed.
More than anything, we are worried quite naturally, given the twists and turns of history about where these actions and sentiments could eventually lead.
Now, this is no intellectual exercise for us. For many Jewish people, it feels like a matter of survival, informed once again by history in this case, very personal history.
Take the story of my own family.
My grandfather came to Ellis Island at a very young age from Eastern Europe, without an education or a penny to his name. He was a street urchin, stealing apples off pushcarts just to survive, but he dreamt of a brighter future for himself and for his family.
My grandfather ended up with the paper workers in Utica, New York, and helped form the union there, but he lost his job in the lead-up to World War II, so he came back to New York City and bought a little exterminating business.
His son my father followed in his footsteps and eventually took over that exterminating business. My father struggled in that job, barely making ends meet. But together with my mother, he provided a stable and loving home in Brooklyn for my siblings and me, where we were able to flourish.
And because of the tolerance and openness and opportunity that courses through all of American life, I now stand before you as the Majority Leader of the United States Senate, the highest elected office a Jewish person has ever attained in the history of this country.
Only in America could an exterminators son grow up to be the first Jewish party leader in the Senate.
But it must also be said: this is not the norm in the grand and long scheme of Jewish history.
While my grandfather came to America and encountered opportunity, many of his siblings, cousins, aunts and uncles, and other family members remained behind in Eastern Europe.
When I was still a young boy, I was told why many branches of our family tree stopped growing forever.
In 1941, when the Nazis invaded Ukraine, then part of Galicia, they asked my great-grandmother the matriarch of the family, and the wife of a locally revered rabbi to gather her children, her grandchildren, her great-grandchildren on the porch of her home, which was in the town square.
As more than 30 people gathered on the porch, aged 85 years old to 3 months, the Nazis forced the remaining Jewish citizens of the town to gather around and watch.
When the Nazis told my great-grandmother, You are coming with us, she refused and they machine-gunned down every last one of them. The babies, the elderly, and everybody in-between.
This story resonated deeply in my heart when I first started learning the details of the October 7th massacre in Israel. I was in China with a bipartisan delegation of my fellow Senators, trying to get President Xi Jinping to open up Chinese markets to American companies and stop the flow of fentanyl across our borders.
As the horrors of October 7th started coming into focus, the Israeli ambassador to China shared with me the story of what she heard had just happened in one of the kibbutzim, called Beeri.
Hamas terrorists entered the kibbutz early on October 7th and killed more than 120 Jewish residents, from the elderly to babies.
Sadly, it was not the first time I had heard of such evil being committed against Jewish people.
Most, if not all, Jewish Americans know stories similar to that of my family. And most, if not all of us, learned this story at a young age. It will be imprinted on our hearts for as long as we live.
All Jewish Americans carry in them the scar tissue of this generational trauma, and that directly informs how we are experiencing and processing the rhetoric of today.
We see and hear things differently from others because we are deeply sensitive to the deprivation and horrors that can follow the targeting of Jewish people if it is not repudiated.
Which brings me back to today.
While many protesters no doubt view their actions as a compassionate expression of solidarity with the Palestinian people, for many Jewish Americans, we feel in too many instances, some of the most extreme rhetoric gives license to darker ideas that have always lurked below the surface of every question involving the Jewish people.
Antisemites have always trafficked in coded language and action to define Jewish people as unworthy of the rights and privileges afforded to other groups.
I believe there are plenty of people who chant From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free not because they hate Jewish people, but because they support a better future for Palestinians.
But there is no question that Hamas and other terrorist organizations have used this slogan to represent their intention to eliminate Jewish people not only from Israel, but from every corner of the Earth.
Given the history of oppression, expulsion, and state violence that is practically embedded in Jewish DNA, can you blame Jewish people for hearing a violently antisemitic message, loud and clear, any time we hear that chant?
We shouldnt accept this sort of language from anybody any more than we accept other racist dog whistles like invoking welfare queens to criticize safety net programs, or calling COVID-19 the Chinese virus.
And that also goes for extreme right-wing Jewish settlers who also use deplorable language, and who dont believe there should be any Palestinians between the river and the sea.
Antisemites are taking advantage of the pro-Palestinian movement to espouse hatred and bigotry towards Jewish people. But rather than call out this dangerous behavior for what it is, we see so many of our friends and fellow citizens, particularly young people who yearn for justice, unknowingly aiding and abetting their cause.
And worse, many of our friends and allies whose support we need now more than ever during this moment of immense Jewish pain have brushed aside these concerns. Suddenly, they do not want to hear about antisemitism, or the ultimate goal of Hamas. When I have asked some of the marchers what they would do about Hamas, they dont have an answer. Many dont seem to care.
And so Jewish Americans are left alone at least in our eyes to ponder what this all means, and where it could lead.
Can you understand why Jewish people feel isolated when we hear some praise Hamas and chant its vicious slogan? Can you blame us for feeling vulnerable only 80 years after Hitler wiped out half of the Jewish population across the world while many countries turned their back? Can you appreciate the deep fear we have about what Hamas might do if left to their own devices?
Because the long arc of Jewish history teaches us a lesson that is hard to forget: ultimately, that we are alone.
As a teenager, growing up halfway across the world from Israel in Brooklyn during the 1950s and 60s, I remember feeling that aloneness myself.
When many of the worlds airlines boycotted Israel so that they could maintain business with the Arab world, I admired Air France because only they would fly to Israel. I even preferred Coca-Cola to Pepsi because they did business in Israel, and refused to participate in any biased boycott. Later, I remember walking in solitary silence to class at James Madison High School with a transistor radio held to my ear, listening to the news reports about the Six-Day War and praying to God that Israel would survive.
On top of feeling alone, the second dominant feeling that Jewish people have endured throughout history has been the sting of the double standard, which is the way the world has practiced antisemitism over and over again.
To Jewish people, the double standard has been ever present and is at the root of antisemitism. The double standard is very simple:
What is good for everybody, is never good for the Jew. When it comes time to assign blame for some problem, the Jew is always the first target.
And in recent decades, this double standard has manifested itself in the way much of the world treats Israel differently than anybody else.
That double standard was made clear to me when I was in college.
I remember the day when the great and articulate Israeli Ambassador to the United Nations, Abba Eban, was invited to come lecture on campus, while the Students for a Democratic Society and the Progressive Labor Party were waging a campaign against Israels right to exist.
Two thousand people gathered in a large auditorium to see Ambassador Eban, and the members of SDS and PLP sat in the gallery and hung a banner saying: Fight the Zionist Imperialists.
When the members of the SDS and the PLP tried to shout him down, Eban pointed his finger up at the protesters in the gallery, and with his Etonian inflection, he calmly but strongly delivered a statement I will never forget, and that I will paraphrase now.
He said: I am talking to you up there in the gallery. Every time a people gets their statehood, you applaud it. The Nigerians, the Pakistanis, the Zambian, you applaud their getting statehood. Theres only one people, when they gain statehood, who you dont applaud, you condemn it and that is the Jewish people. We Jews are used to that. We have lived with a double standard through the centuries. There were always things the Jews couldnt do
everyone could be a farmer, but not the Jew. everyone could be a carpenter, but not the Jew. Everyone could move to Moscow, but not the Jew. And everyone can have their own state, but not the Jew. There is a word for that: antisemitism, and I accuse you in the gallery of it.
And the protesters slinked off.
This double standard persists today in America, and it is once again leaving Jewish people feeling isolated and alone.
In the immediate aftermath of October 7th, an attack on defenseless civilians, the elderly, women, and babies, a good number of people skipped over expressing sympathy for the victims in their haste to blame the attack on the past actions of the Israeli government. Can anybody imagine a horrific terrorist attack in another country receiving such a reception?
And when Hamas terrorists actively hide behind innocent Palestinians, knowing that many of those civilians will die in the Israeli response, why does the criticism for any civilian deaths seem to fall exclusively on Israel, and not at all on Hamas?
My heart breaks for the thousands of Palestinian civilians who have been killed or are suffering in this conflict, and I have urged the Israeli government to minimize civilian casualties on many occasions.
But by committing such heinous atrocities on October 7th before sneaking back into their tunnels underneath hospitals and refugee camps in Gaza, Hamas has knowingly invited an immense civilian toll during this war, exploiting the double standard that so much of the world applies to Israel.
Of course, let me repeat: that does not relieve Israel of the responsibility to protect innocent Palestinian lives, and I have been among the first to tell Israeli leaders they must act according to international law. I am also fighting for critical humanitarian aid for Palestinians that this Senate, under my leadership, is working to deliver.
So I rise in this chamber today. I am speaking up to issue a warning, informed by the lessons of history.
No matter what our beliefs are, no matter where we stand on the war in Gaza, all of us must condemn antisemitism with full-throated clarity whenever we see it before it metastasizes into something even worse.
Because right now, thats what Jewish Americans fear most.
The spike in antisemitism we are experiencing right now in America began after the worst instance of violence committed against Jewish people since the Holocaust. The vitriol against Israel in the wake of October 7th is all too often crossing a line into brazen and widespread antisemitism, the likes of which we havent seen for generations in this country if ever.
Which is why we need to name it clearly any time we see it:
After October 7th, when boycotts were organized against Jewish businesses in Philadelphia that have nothing to do with Israel that is antisemitism!
After October 7th, when swastikas appeared on Jewish delis on the Upper East Side that is antisemitism!
After October 7th, when protesters in California shouted at Jewish Americans, Hitler shouldve smashed you! that is antisemitism!
After October 7th, when a Jewish U.S. Senator was violently threatened for her views on Israel that is antisemitism!
After October 7th, when students on college campuses across the country who wear a yarmulke or display a Jewish star are harassed, verbally vilified, pushed, and even spat upon and punched that is antisemitism!
After October 7th, when an author in a prominent left-wing magazine labeled the pro-Israel rally in Washington a hate rally that is antisemitism! I attended the rally because I believe there should be a place of refuge for the Jewish people. Not because I wish violence on Palestinians, or any other people.
And after October 7th, when students at Hillcrest High School in Queens ran rampant in the hallways and demanded the firing of a teacher just because attended a rally supporting Israel, and forced her to hide in a locked office for hours while staff struggled to regain control that is antisemitism!
Walking out of school to march in support of Palestinians is completely legitimate. But forcing a Jewish teacher to remain as she described locked in an office because she attended a rally in support for Israel is antisemitism, pure and simple.
In fact, that teacher is sitting in the gallery today. I invited her to come and listen, and I am truly honored that she accepted my invitation. That is true courage
and I believe it shows just how strongly so many Jewish Americans feel about this issue.
She has requested anonymity, which I ask everybody present, and everybody in the media, to please respect.
But I say to her from the bottom of my heart: Thank you for being here, and thank you for caring.
I have just listed a few of the so many examples of how pure, unadulterated antisemitism has dramatically increased since October 7th.
But the roots of pluralistic, multiethnic democracy are deep in America. This is a place where Jewish people have been able to flourish alongside so many other immigrant groups.
We must never lose sight of just how special that is. Nor must we ever stop fighting for it.
All Americans share a responsibility and an obligation to fight back whenever we see the rise of prejudice of any type in our midst. To preserve this nation as a promised land of refuge, as a land that honors the dignity of every individual, as the land of opportunity for all.
So my plea to the American people of all creeds and backgrounds is this:
First, learn the history of the Jewish people, who have been abandoned repeatedly by their fellow countrymen left isolated and alone to combat antisemitism with disastrous results.
Second, reject the illogical and antisemitic double standard that is once again being applied to the plight of Jewish victims and hostages, to some of the actions of the Israeli government, and even to the very existence of a Jewish state.
Third, understand why Jewish people defend Israel not because we wish harm on Palestinians, but because we fear a world where Israel is forced to tolerate the existence of groups like Hamas that want to wipe out all Jewish people from the planet. We fear a world where Israel, the place of refuge for Jewish people, will no longer exist. If there is no Israel, there will be no place, no place for the Jewish people to go when they are persecuted in other countries.
As an adult, I remember watching my grandfather, one of the few in his family to survive the Holocaust, become overwhelmed by emotion and break down in tears when he saw Israel for the first time.
This had nothing to do with politics, or with money, or with racism, or with oppressive colonial power. It was deeply human.
The emotional catharsis of a man whose family was uprooted and exterminated, finally stepping foot in a place of refuge for his people.
So many of my aunts, uncles, cousins, nieces, and nephews, would be alive today had Israel existed before World War II.
Many Jewish Americans fear what the future may bring, based on the repeated lessons of history.
Many Jewish Americans see clear antisemitism in the double standard that is being wielded by too many opponents of Israel, and we see it in attacks on Jewish people simply for being Jewish, apart from anything having to do with Israel.
And perhaps worst of all, many Jewish Americans feel alone to face all of this, abandoned by too many of our friends and allies in our greatest time of need, as antisemitic hate crimes skyrocket around the country.
I implore every person and every community and every institution to stand with Jewish Americans and denounce antisemitism in all of its forms, especially the double standard that has been wielded against the Jewish people for generations to isolate us.
The time for solidarity must be now. Nothing less than the future of the American experiment hangs in the balance.
Building a more perfect union, one that fulfills our founding ideals, is our longest and most solemn struggle as a country. And as Americans, we are called to do all we can to achieve that higher standard.
We are stewards of the flames of liberty, tolerance, and equality that warm our American melting pot, and make it possible for Jewish Americans to prosper alongside Palestinian Americans, and every other immigrant group from all over the world.
Are we a nation that can defy the regular course of human history, where the Jewish people have been ostracized, expelled, and massacred over and over again?
I believe the answer can and must be a resounding, Yes.
And I will do everything in my power as Senate Majority Leader, as a Jewish American, as a citizen of a free society, as a human being to make it happen.
Ken Y'hi Ratzon
Mosby
(19,491 posts)Especially the parts where he talks about how we are all alone in this. I know there are people who support Israel, but at the end of the day us Jews have to take care of each other, we can't depend on anyone else.
Cha
(319,086 posts)And thanks for being so supportive of Israel, it really matters.
Maybe someday their will be peace.
Cha
(319,086 posts)

I think I know when that will come about considering HAMAs' Ideology and Covenant.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18490673
Mahalo to you
Hermit-The-Prog
(36,631 posts)madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)I do believe that Senator Schumer speaks for almost every Jewish American.
Sadly, Jews are alone. We always have been.
Cha
(319,086 posts)It' Extended to me Even before October 7th.
I saw the Anti Semitism that was going on with the Fascists hating on Jewish People and the Traitor instigating much of it.
It damn well did NOT start with IDF's response to HAMAS' Sneak Terrorist Attack on Israel.
Thank You Again, Mosby and Sen Schumer
Cha
(319,086 posts)It' Extended to me Even before October 7th.
I saw the Anti Semitism that was going on with the Fascists hating on Jewish People and the Traitor instigating much of it.
It damn well did NOT start with IDF's response to HAMAS' Sneak Terrorist Attack on Israel.
Thank You Again, Mosby and Sen Schumer
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)and I am so glad Schumer did this.
sarisataka
(22,695 posts)Is that which a person sees in the mirror
The same can be said for racism and Islamophobia but I think there are more instances where people take pride in their hatred rather than deny it
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sarisataka
(22,695 posts)yardwork
(69,364 posts)Irish_Dem
(81,277 posts)I asked who may be benefitting from dividing the US and the left?
And not to fall for it.
CincyDem
(7,392 posts)Always ask, as I think you are, who benefits...not in the superficial short game but in the strategic global game?
Irish_Dem
(81,277 posts)But the propaganda has been so good, causing so much emotionality, confusion and chaos.
And taking advantage of long standing prejudice.
It is hard for people not to fall for it.
Right, the thing about figuring out things quickly, is that no one believes you at first.
And calls you names. Then later when everybody finally gets it, they tell you everybody knew it
all along.
enid602
(9,687 posts). . . some liberals and young people were unknowingly aiding and abetting antisemitism in the name of social justice. . .
Incredible statement for a progressive to make. I hope Im reading this wrong.
tritsofme
(19,900 posts)enid602
(9,687 posts)Well, guess Ill just have to add advocating for social justice to the list. Very sad.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)enid602
(9,687 posts)The quest for social justice incudes concern for people whose homes are destroyed, and who are being murdered in large numbers. The people you show in your post display anti-semitism and are CALLING for annihilation. Israel is committing it in real time. .
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)The October 8 march was billed as an event in solidarity with the people of Palestine. It turned out to be a celebration of Jew-hate.
Schumer is warning "some liberals and young people" not to be fooled by folks who pretend that they're protesting for social justice, but who are, in fact, are supporting the destruction of Israel and spreading the hatred of Jews.
Sometimes young people can be easily fooled.
Link to tweet
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Butterflylady
(4,584 posts)It won't help. Their cause is search and destroy. No matter how much violence its take. End of story.
Polybius
(21,902 posts)Somehow, I don't think the Nazis would accept her.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Nazi Jew-hate propaganda was quite popular among Arab Nationalists in the thirties, and not just among those of Palestine. The exiled Mufti of Jerusalem became part of Hitler's court, and in Albania recruited Moslems to an SS unit turned loose on occupation duties in Serbia. Argentina gets all the credit for hosting Nazi fugitives, but a number fetched up in Egypt and elsewhere in the Near East.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Link to tweet
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Progressive allies of Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., promoted the Times Square rally Sunday, highlighting a divide over Israel on the left.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/rep-alexandria-ocasio-cortez-condemns-hatred-antisemitism-palestinian-rcna119687
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Speakers mocked slain civilians and called for the elimination of Israel
At a pro-Hamas rally on Sunday in the heart of New York City, speaker after speaker praised the slaughter of civilians that had taken place in Israel the day before, after the militant group overwhelmed Israeli defenses in an audacious, unexpected raid.
And as you might have seen, there was some sort of rave or desert party where they were having a great time, until the resistance came in electrified hang gliders and took at least several dozen hipsters, one speaker joked about the Hamas assault on a desert rave, where horrific scenes of murder and rape took place.
https://news.yahoo.com/socialist-rally-in-times-square-praising-hamas-terror-attack-draws-widespread-condemnation-204123785.html
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Interesting that all the tweets are dated 10/8.
lapucelle
(21,061 posts)Within 24 hours of the Hamas massacre and before any reprisals from Israel, socialist "protesters" were on the streets of NY celebrating terrorists and mocking Jews.
Anti-Semites and terrorist supporters couldn't even give New York's Jewish community one day to mourn.
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As for your observation about the date of the tweets, it helps to read post titles.

Cha
(319,086 posts)sure enough they'll Deflect.
They don't wnat to know.
Deep State Witch
(12,717 posts)Like the students in that school who rioted and forced a teacher into her office. That is antisemitism.
Cha
(319,086 posts)madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)not legitimate criticism of the Likud government, but unadulterated hate. It excludes not only the possibility, but the inevitability of future Israeli governments that would work to reverse the damage done by Netanyahu and his right-wing coalition. It has morphed into an outright call for the destruction of a country. And those who have fallen into this thinking are apparently incapable of seeing the Jew hatred that lies at the core of this thinking. They rationalize that they are not participating in antisemitism.
Advocating for a two-state solution is the way forward. Calling for the destruction of Israel is by definition antisemitic. Those who argue that it is not are lying to everyone, including themselves.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)I have also been to all the surrounding Arab countries and areas several times -- Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Iraq, UAE, the West Bank, and a few others. I no longer think a two-state solution is possible. The economics are just not there for the establishment of a country and the Arab states no longer have a desire to help. I think Gaza needs to be returned to Egypt and the West Bank (most not all) needs to be returned to Jordan. So put me in the no-state camp.
yardwork
(69,364 posts)I don't know much about the situation, but it seems that the two-state approach has been tried and failed.
madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)And they have no interests in absorbing a single person that lives there. So how would giving Gaza back to Egypt and the West Bank back to Jordan even work? Not only that, the Palestinians themselves would never go along with such an idea. It would be a complete negation of their identity.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)The West Bank was part of Jordan from 1948 until it gave it up in 1988. Before 1950 the British had the area after WW I. Before that it was part of the Ottoman Empire. The Palestinians in modern times have never had a separate "identity". The same with Gaza.
madaboutharry
(42,033 posts)I agree that history very much matters. It is very frustrating that few have any understanding of it, but we also have to deal with today's realities. Most Israelis would agree with that.
I am also a pessimist when it comes to peace between Israel and Palestinians. However, I'm not willing to give up hope.
claudette
(5,455 posts)if all countries are forced to go by "who was there first" - America would have to change dramatically. The Bible tells a different story. I think that's why Zionist governments believe that a god gave them the land because they were the chosen people and so, there is no "Palestine." Just my opinion.
Personally, I believe they were chosen because Jesus was a Jew. But, that's my belief.
claudette
(5,455 posts)really anti-semitic to say that Israel and Palestine should be two separate states. That, in itself, is NOT "calling for the destruction of Israel." When such an opinion is expressed, it is pounced on as "hating Israel" when it is NOT.
NO ONE should be killing others in order to survive. There has to be another way. Maybe when Bibi is gone, both sides will find that way. I hope and pray.
rollin74
(2,301 posts)Behind the Aegis
(56,108 posts)