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Celerity

(54,893 posts)
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:18 AM Nov 2023

The Cybertruck Is the Dumbest Thing I've Ever Seen: Elon Musk enters his Caligula era.



https://prospect.org/infrastructure/transportation/2023-11-30-tesla-cybertruck-dumbest-thing/



The Cybertruck—or CYBPRFRVKK, according to its " target="_blank">illegible branding image, which looks like a white suburban teenager’s first hesitant attempt at tagging the local Red Robin—is due to be released today. It’s the first new Tesla design since 2018, and the company has spent over four years and billions retooling its factories to make it. It’s anyone’s guess how much of a success or failure the truck will be, though the fact that at time of writing there is, incredibly, still no official information about price or battery capacity doesn’t bode well. But we can conclude that the Cybertruck is just possibly the dumbest vehicle ever produced. Here’s why.

Let’s start with the Cybertruck’s body panels, which are made of stainless steel. That is a nightmare for several reasons. First, it is quite a bit harder than ordinary steel, making it difficult to shape and machine. When Ford experimented with stainless steel in the mid-20th century, they discovered that the metal would eventually break the dies they used to press their door panels. Tesla has had to cut the sheets with lasers and bend them into shape, which is undoubtedly more expensive.



Second, there is cost. The chromium and nickel alloys typically used to make steel stainless—that is, resistant to corrosion—are expensive, at about $11,700 and $18,300 per metric ton, respectively, as compared to about $800 for steel. And while stainless steel is resistant to dents, that also means that if it is dented it is difficult and costly to repair. Incidentally, automakers have long since developed techniques to combat rust that are roughly equivalent to stainless alloys, like galvanizing the steel (that is, applying a zinc coating) and improved paint. Indeed, stainless steel itself is not entirely rustproof, as anyone with a stainless knife or cutlery has likely discovered. Leave it under a damp surface like a cloth (or leaf, or bird poop) for too long, and it will start to corrode.

Third and perhaps most importantly, stainless steel is much stiffer than the ordinary stuff, which makes it dangerous. Since the 1950s at least, automakers have understood that stiffer cars are more dangerous to people inside and outside the car, because in a crash they deliver energy to other parties rather than absorbing it. In early crash test experiments with more heavily built cars, collisions often did only minor damage to the car but turned the test dummies into paste. Since then, cars have been designed with progressively more sophisticated crumple zones to absorb impact forces. Musk’s boasts of a Cybertruck “exoskeleton,” if true, are a recipe for gruesome carnage.



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The Cybertruck Is the Dumbest Thing I've Ever Seen: Elon Musk enters his Caligula era. (Original Post) Celerity Nov 2023 OP
Musk Edsel? multigraincracker Nov 2023 #1
Eloon Edsel Muskrat GoneOffShore Nov 2023 #2
A stock Edsel alfredo Nov 2023 #12
The Edsel wasn't so bad, for that time EYESORE 9001 Nov 2023 #9
Eloon recreates the Edsel. Haggard Celine Nov 2023 #3
Works for me! calimary Nov 2023 #5
He has obviously already lost his shit maxrandb Nov 2023 #15
Cybertruck Might Replace Edsel As The Go-To Metaphor For A Failed Product nt smb Nov 2023 #22
He should market it in Spanish-speaking countries Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #60
i am so old i remember when pick up trucks were supposed to be useful dembotoz Nov 2023 #4
That has already been done. Woodwizard Nov 2023 #8
Still have my old Datsun 1500 maxrandb Nov 2023 #17
That is so cool Unwind Your Mind Nov 2023 #46
1982 720 Little Hustler maxrandb Nov 2023 #49
Blame the EPA OnlinePoker Nov 2023 #20
This is the best explanation of the trend I have seen... Hugin Nov 2023 #34
Mazda also made a great small pick-up back in the day maxrandb Nov 2023 #50
One of those is exactly what I'd like to have... Hugin Nov 2023 #62
Burried at the end of the video is another important factor - consumer preference progressoid Nov 2023 #36
I find the boxes are so small they're now SUV's with an open trunk. n/t OnlinePoker Nov 2023 #41
Real Trucks Don't Have Carpet modrepub Nov 2023 #42
Looks like something out of an 80's cheesy sci fi movie Woodwizard Nov 2023 #6
And it doesn't even have a Flux Capacitor Option . . . hatrack Nov 2023 #16
At least it's ugly. It's got that going for it. nt Buns_of_Fire Nov 2023 #7
Like my brother-in-law would say maxrandb Nov 2023 #18
It's like a DeLorean and a... Hugin Nov 2023 #24
Such a waste... 2naSalit Nov 2023 #10
Back when he had his first fiasco reveal moniss Nov 2023 #11
Flat metal makes for a very cheap body. Hardly any stamping bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #13
Not according to the article linked in the OP BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #35
Yeah, what a cover story. Bending equipment far cheaper than dies bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #38
The article talks quite a bit about this. Shipwack Nov 2023 #39
Except the body isn't totally "flat" tinrobot Nov 2023 #54
I'd Like To Know What Stainless Steel Is Used ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #14
I too would like to know the metal used EYESORE 9001 Nov 2023 #26
Ford uses aluminum for their F-series, which of course has its own problems. harumph Nov 2023 #40
IIRC it's the same SS used Disaffected Nov 2023 #55
Austenitic Stainless Steels... ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #63
I dunno, the SS Tesla/SpaceX uses Disaffected Nov 2023 #66
Where Is The Chloride In Space? ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #68
Mentioning SpaceX was simply a note in passing that Disaffected Nov 2023 #69
The List Is LLLONNNG! ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #73
The unofficial unveiling tonight Mr. Sparkle Nov 2023 #19
Beat Me To It nt smb Nov 2023 #21
Same! JonAndKatePlusABird Nov 2023 #23
You beat me to it! robbob Nov 2023 #43
Remember, Musk bought into the original Teslas. This is his first original work RAB910 Nov 2023 #25
First new model since 18'.. Electric cars ignored by MAGA base.. Hmm Desert Dog Nov 2023 #27
I suspect early dementia northoftheborder Nov 2023 #28
Sometimes a weird asshole is just that. Poor decisions and dementia are Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #56
Awkward poor taste is becoming his trademark. rubbersole Nov 2023 #29
It is also one of the ugliest! niyad Nov 2023 #30
"which looks like a white suburban teenager's first hesitant attempt at tagging the local Red Robin" Ray Bruns Nov 2023 #31
I'm havin trouble deciding the bigger POS... Elon Musk or his Cybertruck?! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2023 #32
Based on that little hill vudeo, I would guess it would be a hoot niyad Nov 2023 #33
Nothing is Musk's idea Johnny2X2X Nov 2023 #37
A real chick magnet dalton99a Nov 2023 #44
A Zumwalt class land cruiser..n/t yorkster Nov 2023 #45
I noted in the test video that the vehicle did make it to the top of the hill successfully. Arthur_Frain Nov 2023 #47
Street tires? lildDemz Nov 2023 #48
Pizza Cutter tires are actually better for off-roading than big knobby tires. You get more contact area. TheBlackAdder Nov 2023 #70
My little VW Golf was waaay better than that obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #51
I have seen a couple of them here in California. To me they are JohnSJ Nov 2023 #52
Who would drive this thing? LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #53
Looks like a Futuristic Hummer tom_kelly Nov 2023 #57
Can't wait to see how this ugly piece of junk compares to a Rivian. sinkingfeeling Nov 2023 #58
Looks like it would be good for transporting space marines to kill aliens AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #59
It's hideous and has many flaws redqueen Nov 2023 #61
My '97 Nissan Pickup with a stick shift and 270,000 miles would run circles around that thing. world wide wally Nov 2023 #64
I'm still wondering how you're supposed to do an emergency exit from the vehicle sakabatou Nov 2023 #65
They will be chopping these things up BlueIdaho Nov 2023 #67
There was a lot of unexplained squeaking going on for such light action. TheBlackAdder Nov 2023 #71
It's one of the stupidest looking "vehicles" I've ever seen. Initech Nov 2023 #72

alfredo

(60,329 posts)
12. A stock Edsel
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:13 AM
Nov 2023

did 158mph at Bonnieville. That was fast for that time. Still it was fugly.

EYESORE 9001

(29,889 posts)
9. The Edsel wasn't so bad, for that time
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:02 AM
Nov 2023

This monstrosity shouldn’t be allowed on public roads.

 

Sky Jewels

(9,148 posts)
60. He should market it in Spanish-speaking countries
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 02:18 PM
Nov 2023

as the “No Va.”

Oh wait, that’s been done.

 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
4. i am so old i remember when pick up trucks were supposed to be useful
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 07:44 AM
Nov 2023

this is just an exercise in Conspicuous Consumption

thorsen Veblin would be proud

Woodwizard

(1,339 posts)
8. That has already been done.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:01 AM
Nov 2023

The bloat on trucks is awful and unnecessary. Filling a status symbol.

I need a truck for what I do will be keeping my stick shift roll down window truck as long as possible.
Basic trucks ones for actual work are almost impossible to find.

Unwind Your Mind

(2,364 posts)
46. That is so cool
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 11:15 AM
Nov 2023

Datsuns were always my favorites, what year is it?

Everyone I know who owns a small truck is constantly approached by people wanting to buy them.

maxrandb

(17,500 posts)
49. 1982 720 Little Hustler
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 12:12 PM
Nov 2023

Keep it at the old house dad left when he passed and mom moved to a memory center. First vehicle I bought after joining the Navy.

Travel back to my old home a lot since I retired and do some work on the house to keep me busy.

Still makes it to Taylor Do It Center and back every time.

Hugin

(38,001 posts)
34. This is the best explanation of the trend I have seen...
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:21 AM
Nov 2023

I am looking for a small truck and was excited when some of the latest offerings were announced. Upon seeing them, they are still too big or specifically too tall. Even the truck/SUV hybrids like the Hyundai Santa Cruz. They are almost twice as tall as the few remaining sedans and would not fit in my older garage in both length and height.

I believe that this change is also a side effect of the truck game. As the trucks are getting larger, passenger vehicles are having to get much taller and bigger so that they meet the safety standards or they are suffering from the same interpretation of the fuel standards as the trucks are.

I am beginning to think that the only way I am going to have a truck which fits my needs is to customize a smaller vehicle so that it becomes a “truck”.

maxrandb

(17,500 posts)
50. Mazda also made a great small pick-up back in the day
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 12:15 PM
Nov 2023

Those small Japanese pickups were great for the tinkering handyman, or woman. They were almost indestructible, and even a novice mechanic could do they routine maintenance.

Hugin

(38,001 posts)
62. One of those is exactly what I'd like to have...
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 02:37 PM
Nov 2023

Because, it's all I need. I've been looking for a year and a half and there are none to be found around here. Even in the lemon lots.

I guess their owners are driving them to pieces.

progressoid

(53,389 posts)
36. Burried at the end of the video is another important factor - consumer preference
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:25 AM
Nov 2023

Americans aren't buying pick ups for utility for the most part. It's a comfort and status vehicle. Most people I know with a pickup don't actually use it for hauling stuff.

modrepub

(4,195 posts)
42. Real Trucks Don't Have Carpet
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:54 AM
Nov 2023

I'm old enough to remember when trucks had a vinyl/rubber floors to make it easier to get the mud cleaned; let it dry then sweep it out or vacuum it out (with a shop vac). When I worked as a detailer at the Ford dealer back in college they just started putting carpet and selling trucks/broncos. Ford figured out people just liked driving trucks, didn't matter if people actually hauled stuff in them or used them off-road. The profits were staggering, much more than any of the cars on the lot.

moniss

(9,150 posts)
11. Back when he had his first fiasco reveal
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:04 AM
Nov 2023

with this thing I called it the Tedsel. Biggest and ugliest piece of crap I've ever seen.

bucolic_frolic

(55,842 posts)
13. Flat metal makes for a very cheap body. Hardly any stamping
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:14 AM
Nov 2023

Hideous too. No designers, low overhead. I think that's what's going on here.

BannonsLiver

(20,859 posts)
35. Not according to the article linked in the OP
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:22 AM
Nov 2023

“Let’s start with the Cybertruck’s body panels, which are made of stainless steel. That is a nightmare for several reasons. First, it is quite a bit harder than ordinary steel, making it difficult to shape and machine. When Ford experimented with stainless steel in the mid-20th century, they discovered that the metal would eventually break the dies they used to press their door panels. Tesla has had to cut the sheets with lasers and bend them into shape, which is undoubtedly more expensive.”

bucolic_frolic

(55,842 posts)
38. Yeah, what a cover story. Bending equipment far cheaper than dies
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:31 AM
Nov 2023

Tesla's are notable for having many body parts bolted together, as opposed to unibody of legacy manufacturers. I supposed you can argue which has more costs, but I'd still bet this is a cost-cutting move. Stainless is more expensive as a material. Maybe it's just an accommodation with stainless which can't be stamped as the article says - it wears out the dies, so don't use them. Bend, flex, weld bolt instead.

Shipwack

(3,103 posts)
39. The article talks quite a bit about this.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:39 AM
Nov 2023

The body is made of stainless steel, which is bad for several reasons.

Because it's stainless, it can't be stamped, but it still must be shaped. Stainless steel is very difficult to bend into the proper shape. It's also expensive.

The article brings up another point I hadn't considered; stainless is tough to bend and crumble. Modern cars are designed to bend and crumble (in a controlled way) in an accident. This keeps the occupents safer because the more of the collidion's energy is spent crunching the car, the less is transferred to the people inside. A Cybertruck will survive a crash with only a scratch, but its occupants will be paste.

This is example #2739 of Musk’s ego getting in the way of design. He is so intent on proving to the world that he can design a truck from scratch that he doesn’t bother to learn industry practices, some of which are there for good reason.

tinrobot

(12,115 posts)
54. Except the body isn't totally "flat"
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 01:07 PM
Nov 2023

A flat surface on a car tends to look concave, so they had to put a slight arch in places like the hood to counter this effect.

I suspect the designers did as much or more work on this as any other vehicle. Working with untested materials always adds more to the design challenge.

ProfessorGAC

(77,294 posts)
14. I'd Like To Know What Stainless Steel Is Used
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 08:38 AM
Nov 2023

There are many types of stainless steel that are highly susceptible to chloride attack, which causes microscopic cracking.
Most of the states that have meteorological winters use salt to reduce icy conditions. Yep, sodium CHLORIDE.
There are duplex SS alloys that are very good in chloride exposure conditions, but expensive.
That said, I don't know where the author got those prices.
I'm seeing high grade 2205 sheet steel for $8 per kg, before any volume discounting or negotiation.
Still way more than mild steel, but I think the prices in the article may be overstated by over 50%.

EYESORE 9001

(29,889 posts)
26. I too would like to know the metal used
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 09:45 AM
Nov 2023

If it’s some run-of-the-mill grade, it adds to the argument that these vehicles shouldn’t even be on the road.

harumph

(3,422 posts)
40. Ford uses aluminum for their F-series, which of course has its own problems.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:44 AM
Nov 2023

Stainless is a puzzling choice. Reminds me of the Delorean. I don't know why they just don't rotomold
the panels - not as pretty I guess?

Disaffected

(6,577 posts)
55. IIRC it's the same SS used
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 01:40 PM
Nov 2023

by Spacex for Starship and the booster skins. Can't recall for sure but I believe it's in the 300 series (304?).

And, it is tough to do compound curves with it which is why Cyber Truck has m/l flat panels.

ProfessorGAC

(77,294 posts)
63. Austenitic Stainless Steels...
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 02:42 PM
Nov 2023

...like the 300 series are VERY susceptible to chloride stress corrosion.
I saw the damage to a 30,000 gallon reactor used for an amphoteric surfactant completely destroyed by chloride attack. Reactor was a total loss. $375,000 replacement cost.
There was visible pitting & under a microscope the surface looked like a parched dry lake bed. One couldn't count the fissures!
Also, so a storage tank in a similar situation where the bottom nozzle (point of highest metal stress) got so thin & damaged that the while valve & nozzle assembly broke off I'm the tank truck loader's hand.
Dumped 35,000 gallons. Guy was up to his knees in a few seconds.
Fortunately for him, the product was the active ingredient for baby shampoo. He was fine.
Chloride & 300 series are not at all compatible. The pH barely matters.

Disaffected

(6,577 posts)
66. I dunno, the SS Tesla/SpaceX uses
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 03:57 PM
Nov 2023

is supposedly some new proprietary 304 like formulation developed by Tesla. Maybe it has superior chloride corrosion ability(??). The following article doesn't address that particular issue but does give some background:

"The Cybertruck uses what Tesla calls “Ultra-Hard 30X Cold-Rolled stainless-steel.” This material is supposed to be superior to stainless 304. Source: Business Insider".

https://stampingsimulation.com/forming-stainless-steel-tesla-cybertruck/

It also seems that SS automobile mufflers and tail pipes stand up well to chloride (road salt) corrosion so maybe it won't be an issue.

Corrosion susceptibility of Cybertrucks therefore seems to be pretty much speculative at this point IMO.

ProfessorGAC

(77,294 posts)
68. Where Is The Chloride In Space?
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 04:30 PM
Nov 2023

Not sure how SpaceX comes into it.
Also, 304 is 304. If the came up with an alloy with unique properties they'd assign a number. There aren't 99 varieties in the 300 Series.
Mufflers are mostly aluminized mild steel. That's because they are cheaper & last longer.
Some are stainless, but they're often epoxy coated. Racing mufflers are often 304 or 321, but longevity isn't a priority for most race cars.
There is nothing speculative about corrosion resistance going on here.
Chloride stress corrosion is a well-understood phenomenon and austenitic stainless steel are highly susceptible to it.

Disaffected

(6,577 posts)
69. Mentioning SpaceX was simply a note in passing that
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 05:22 PM
Nov 2023

they apparently use the same material, chloride in space or not. Come to think of it however, there is lots of chloride blowing around "Starbase" as it is next to the ocean - maybe that's a factor. More speculation....

It is also not "304", it is apparently a derivative of 304 - maybe it is more corrosion resistant - who knows, AFAIK Tesla has not commented on it. And maybe it does have an assigned "number" - does it not have one?

ProfessorGAC

(77,294 posts)
73. The List Is LLLONNNG!
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 06:17 PM
Nov 2023

There are at least a hundred grades of stainless.
Geez, cutlery is made out of about 20 different kinds, a lot of it 400 series, which is the biggest difference in price.
In our industry, we used mostly 316L, but a lot of Carpenter 20, monel, inconel, & 2205 got used too.
304 has lower structural integrity, but is cheaper for applications with very neutral pH, but high water. All that neutral water helps accelerate oxidation and most aqueous formulas are sensitive to color. Red is bad!
A shampoo plant, for instance, might use 304 with sanitary fittings, because of the benign formula and narrow, modest temperature ranges.
But, a chemical plant wants the added structural strength because of the wide range & possibly extreme temperatures.
I guess I can see the use in spacecraft as it's nonmagnetic. Austenitic stainless steels are almost completely nonmagnetic. That might be useful is the ionosphere where all those charged particles reside. Just a guess.
I don't know why they would use that for mufflers, though. It tends toward embrittlement with high temperature & mufflers get pretty darned hot! I'd think anodized soft steel would be better.
Back in my R&D days, I developed a couple processes with pretty extreme conditions, metallurgically.
Did lots of coupon testing, so we could pick a material that would dissolve or fail. 300°C, pH zero, material finding an exit would be bad.
We actually had to go with tantalum clad for one application. Boy, was that pricey.

Desert Dog

(95 posts)
27. First new model since 18'.. Electric cars ignored by MAGA base.. Hmm
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 09:47 AM
Nov 2023

While much of what Muskhole does baffles me, One of the first things that had me shaking my head is his disdain for liberals - WHO WERE THE PREDOMINATE buyers of his cars. It just did not make sense. With all the other manufacturer options, how was he going to attract their money? With the advent of Tesla home batteries and this truck monstrosity, Musks' turn right seems much more obvious. This is his target audience. It is not that he hates liberal money so much, he need drastic action to win over the rich and truck crowd.

Maru Kitteh

(32,010 posts)
56. Sometimes a weird asshole is just that. Poor decisions and dementia are
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 02:01 PM
Nov 2023

not the same thing. I think Musk is more of a classic, old-school mid-life crisis situation but with pretty much unlimited resources. So, way more visible, massively chaotic and harmful to others and the planet than your average midlife meltdown.




rubbersole

(11,277 posts)
29. Awkward poor taste is becoming his trademark.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:00 AM
Nov 2023

Throw in racism and misogyny to round out a disgusting and dangerous piece of shit.

Ray Bruns

(6,764 posts)
31. "which looks like a white suburban teenager's first hesitant attempt at tagging the local Red Robin"
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:04 AM
Nov 2023

Ouch!

niyad

(134,039 posts)
33. Based on that little hill vudeo, I would guess it would be a hoot
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:12 AM
Nov 2023

trying to get that thing up Wolf Creek Pass (10, 856 ft.), or the road up to Pikes Peak (14,115 ft). Hell, even Monument Hill (7, 343 ft), or even one of the hills to my place.

Johnny2X2X

(24,438 posts)
37. Nothing is Musk's idea
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 10:25 AM
Nov 2023

Elon Musk isn't an idea guy in terms of technology and products, he's an idea guy in terms of salesmanship and marketing.

I always get irked a little bit by people attributing Tesla, Space X, or Boring ideas to Musk, the only piece of technology he ever had a part in coming up with was Paypal, the most insecure and fraud ridden way to transfer money on the internet.

So this cyber truck as a concept and a new product is from engineering teams who work for Musk, the only role he played was in not having the good sense to tell them to stop.

This truck is bullet proof.

Arthur_Frain

(2,406 posts)
47. I noted in the test video that the vehicle did make it to the top of the hill successfully.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 11:21 AM
Nov 2023

But my first thought was to wonder what kind of a draw that single hill put on the batteries.

Having just returned from ÇA where seemingly every tenth vehicle is a Tesla, I wonder how long before you start seeing them?

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
70. Pizza Cutter tires are actually better for off-roading than big knobby tires. You get more contact area.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 05:25 PM
Nov 2023

Conversely to perception, those wide off-road tires actually suck when doing serious four wheeling.

While the tire might be big, running them soft for off-roading the pizza cutter tires make more surface contact. Plus, the narrower tires give you more PSI on the ground.



obamanut2012

(29,513 posts)
51. My little VW Golf was waaay better than that
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 12:21 PM
Nov 2023

And, our little Toyota could get up that incline -- it isn't THAT bad. Wow.

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
52. I have seen a couple of them here in California. To me they are
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 12:26 PM
Nov 2023

are a monstrous ugly vehicle.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,744 posts)
59. Looks like it would be good for transporting space marines to kill aliens
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 02:14 PM
Nov 2023

And that really depends on the room inside.

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
61. It's hideous and has many flaws
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 02:19 PM
Nov 2023

The only nice thing I can say about it is at least it's not some jacked up pickup like the ones that are all over the place in Texas.

I don't see many people buying musk's latest mistake, now if only they'd stop buying giant pickups they don't need

world wide wally

(21,836 posts)
64. My '97 Nissan Pickup with a stick shift and 270,000 miles would run circles around that thing.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 02:50 PM
Nov 2023

sakabatou

(46,341 posts)
65. I'm still wondering how you're supposed to do an emergency exit from the vehicle
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 02:51 PM
Nov 2023

Let alone an exit with the power off.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
67. They will be chopping these things up
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 04:03 PM
Nov 2023

And selling them for scrap within two years. They are the new “unsafe at any speed” contest winners.

Initech

(109,271 posts)
72. It's one of the stupidest looking "vehicles" I've ever seen.
Thu Nov 30, 2023, 05:31 PM
Nov 2023

One should not get high and watch Blade Runner and Mad Max at the same time. That seems like a genuinely terrible idea. And I'm pretty sure that was the inspiration for... whatever the fuck this thing is.

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