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Mr. Sparkle

(3,711 posts)
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 03:06 PM Dec 2023

Joe Biden Retakes Lead from Donald Trump in Latest National 2024 Poll

President Joe Biden has retaken the lead against his presumptuous 2024 Republican challenger Donald Trump in a new survey.

A Morning Consult Poll released Tuesday showed that Biden with a narrow 43 to 42 percent lead over Trump in a hypothetical 2024 race, with 11 percent of respondents stating they would vote for "someone else" and 5 percent still undecided.

The latest poll of 6,527 registered voters was conducted between November 24 and 26, and arrives after a previous Morning Consult survey conducted between November 18 and 20 revealed Biden was trailing Trump by four points when people were asked who they would vote for in the 2024 race. The four-point lead Biden has managed to claw back from Trump in a matter of days was the largest deficit recorded for the president since Morning Consult began its daily tracking of the White House race in December 2022.

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-trump-morning-consult-poll-2024-1847994

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Joe Biden Retakes Lead from Donald Trump in Latest National 2024 Poll (Original Post) Mr. Sparkle Dec 2023 OP
I have full faith and confidence in what Pres. Biden has been doing, w/ no strings, things that benefit SWBTATTReg Dec 2023 #1
More horse race nonsense. Nt Fiendish Thingy Dec 2023 #2
☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️ PortTack Dec 2023 #15
I saw in an article from Axios how Muslim Americans are not going to vote for President Biden because of the kimbutgar Dec 2023 #3
Not necessarily for Trump, but might vote third-party or stay home. TwilightZone Dec 2023 #5
With talk like that I'm glad they canceled his show PortTack Dec 2023 #16
"With talk like that"? Silent3 Dec 2023 #19
Neither... MSNBC has leaned more right the past few years and we per se do not have a media voice PortTack Dec 2023 #30
Unbelievable DownriverDem Dec 2023 #18
Not voting can be just as damaging ColinC Dec 2023 #10
It is damaging, but only half as bad in terms of net impact of a straight to Trump defection. Celerity Dec 2023 #14
Indeed ColinC Dec 2023 #24
More like this: 100 eligible voters, 33 for Biden, 31 for Trump (from the 2020 election); What about the non-voters? TheRickles Dec 2023 #28
Oh, for sure I absolutely agree on that. Celerity Dec 2023 #35
The 11% who said they would vote for someone else are just as bad as those who will vote for trump. Also, as far as JohnSJ Dec 2023 #4
Exactly, they can't shut the fuck up if that Orange Bastard is up by one point. They love fucking Pol Potbelly. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #20
Unfortunately, when the polls include independent candidates- not good womanofthehills Dec 2023 #31
Kennedy won't pull fucking 17% of jack shit. The days of that shitheel Ross Perot are goddamn over. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #34
Kennedy polling higher than Ross Perot in some polls womanofthehills Dec 2023 #36
He'll fucking be below 5% by the time they fucking run it. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #39
The why is pretty easy to figure out. DownriverDem Dec 2023 #21
In a couple weeks there will be a poll showing....................... Lovie777 Dec 2023 #6
Really? Why do you suppose that will occur? David__77 Dec 2023 #7
I think they were just kidding. Lunabell Dec 2023 #9
Not really kidding - look at these polls womanofthehills Dec 2023 #37
I think the post was sarcasm. Lunabell Dec 2023 #38
National polls don't elect Presidents, the Electoral College does..... anciano Dec 2023 #8
Yes national polls are nonsense... WarGamer Dec 2023 #12
That's a point that's often neglected. TwilightZone Dec 2023 #22
And will they mention this poll tomorrow morning on 'Meet The Press' ? DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #11
Um, his "presumptuous" challenger? mwb970 Dec 2023 #13
Well, I could see a point in using that word, but I wouldn't expect Newsweek to mean it muriel_volestrangler Dec 2023 #27
I don't think these polls reflect what the voters will actually do on election day. patphil Dec 2023 #17
I hadn't heard much reporting on polling lately, so I figured as much. W_HAMILTON Dec 2023 #23
+++ JohnSJ Dec 2023 #25
This is amazing after Fox shoots shit out its mouth for over two straight years against Biden. GreenWave Dec 2023 #26
Predicting the result of an election a year from now based on a poll today is like TheRickles Dec 2023 #29
This means he's ahead by a wide margin. ananda Dec 2023 #32
Maybe Polybius Dec 2023 #33
Not gonna work. Kingofalldems Dec 2023 #40

SWBTATTReg

(26,257 posts)
1. I have full faith and confidence in what Pres. Biden has been doing, w/ no strings, things that benefit
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 03:12 PM
Dec 2023

our Country and our citizens. Of course he'll win, and he'll win by a landslide. When tRUMP's scandals get too much, when tRUMP's crazy behavior and idiotic ramblings get to be too much, the Democratic party will still be here, will still do things 100% for the good of the Country and citizens alike.

kimbutgar

(27,248 posts)
3. I saw in an article from Axios how Muslim Americans are not going to vote for President Biden because of the
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 03:18 PM
Dec 2023

Israel/Hamas conflict. So do they think Muslims are gong to vote for TFG who said he wants to do a Muslim ban?

The idiocy of these polls drive me crazy. The maggot did nothing to help the American people and had the worst pandemic response.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
5. Not necessarily for Trump, but might vote third-party or stay home.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 03:32 PM
Dec 2023

Mehdi Hasan, for example, at MSNBC said no one in his family or friends is going to vote for Biden in 2024, but he didn't say what their alternative plan was.

"The idiocy of these polls drive me crazy."

The polls aren't the problem. The respondents who say they're still going to support Trump are the problem.

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
19. "With talk like that"?
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 05:58 PM
Dec 2023

Do you think he lied and made that up?

Do you think it's true, but for some reason he was obligated not to say it?

PortTack

(35,820 posts)
30. Neither... MSNBC has leaned more right the past few years and we per se do not have a media voice
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 08:36 PM
Dec 2023

His show is supposed to be news, not what he and his family are or are not doing! That isn’t news

DownriverDem

(7,014 posts)
18. Unbelievable
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 05:58 PM
Dec 2023

If they understand what not voting for Biden means, they would vote for the Dems all the way. Same with unhappy repubs. Nothing in the repub party will change until the repubs are totally defeated. I don't care if you agree with the Dems or not. If you really want to save our country you must vote for the Dems.

Celerity

(54,409 posts)
14. It is damaging, but only half as bad in terms of net impact of a straight to Trump defection.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 05:44 PM
Dec 2023

Example:

100 voters

48 vote for Biden
46 vote for Trump
6 vote for a 3rd party or stay home

Biden wins



100 voters

48 vote for Biden
49 vote for Trump vote for Trump
3 vote 3rd party or stay home

Trump wins

ColinC

(11,098 posts)
24. Indeed
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 06:25 PM
Dec 2023

But losing a normally consistent voting block conflated with your average apathetic voter is certainly a losing combination

TheRickles

(3,386 posts)
28. More like this: 100 eligible voters, 33 for Biden, 31 for Trump (from the 2020 election); What about the non-voters?
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 07:54 PM
Dec 2023

We should put more focus on the 33% of eligible voters who didn't/won't participate - GOTV!!!

 

JohnSJ

(98,883 posts)
4. The 11% who said they would vote for someone else are just as bad as those who will vote for trump. Also, as far as
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 03:28 PM
Dec 2023

this poll is concerned 43 to 42 is a dead heat, the only thing this poll demonstrates compared to the other recent polls, is that the illustrious media seems to remain inconspicuously quiet when a poll shows President Biden somewhat ahead, but shouts from the rooftops when a poll shows trump in the lead.

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
20. Exactly, they can't shut the fuck up if that Orange Bastard is up by one point. They love fucking Pol Potbelly.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 06:02 PM
Dec 2023

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
31. Unfortunately, when the polls include independent candidates- not good
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 08:51 PM
Dec 2023

The Messing Harris x poll from Thursday, Nov 30, is a warning about Independent candidates. We have a big problem with independent candidates! When Stein is included in polls, she is pulling 1% - but she’s not included in Harris X Poll from 2 days ago.

Trump 43
Biden. 36
Kennedy. 17
West. 4

SoFlaBro

(3,790 posts)
34. Kennedy won't pull fucking 17% of jack shit. The days of that shitheel Ross Perot are goddamn over.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 03:44 AM
Dec 2023

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
36. Kennedy polling higher than Ross Perot in some polls
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 08:21 AM
Dec 2023

(He’s pulling slightly more from Trump)

“Surveys have shown him polling higher than any third-party candidate in 40 years.

The New York Times/Siena swing-state polls showed him getting up to a quarter of the potential vote in some states. He pulled slightly more from Donald Trump than President Biden.
A recent Quinnipiac poll had him at a whopping 22% when matched up with Biden and Trump. He pulled from both men in that survey, though Biden maintained a 3-point lead over Trump. “
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/18/1212875445/rfk-jr-s-poll-numbers-remain-high-what-explains-this-and-can-it-last

DownriverDem

(7,014 posts)
21. The why is pretty easy to figure out.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 06:03 PM
Dec 2023

The MSM is corp owned and run. They want trump to win.

Lovie777

(22,983 posts)
6. In a couple weeks there will be a poll showing.......................
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 03:39 PM
Dec 2023

Haley 20 points ahead of Pres. Biden.

womanofthehills

(10,988 posts)
37. Not really kidding - look at these polls
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 09:04 AM
Dec 2023

(She is so pro war - she has all the war hawks donating to her. Now she has Koch & Home Depot backing her. )

Look at this:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2024/president/us/general_election_haley_vs_biden-8127.html

Plus :

Forbes on New Hampshire - (similar in Michigan)
“But the survey shows Haley is the only GOP presidential candidate who would beat Biden in the state, leading him 45% to 39%, while Trump would lose to Biden by five points.

The Emerson College poll of 917 registered voters taken November 10-13 (margin of error 3.3) shows Haley has gained 14 points since the group’s last survey in August.”
https://www.forbes.com/sites/saradorn/2023/11/15/nikki-haley-surges-in-new-hampshire-where-she-would-beat-biden-and-desantis-poll-shows/?sh=e9f694546289

anciano

(2,256 posts)
8. National polls don't elect Presidents, the Electoral College does.....
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 03:41 PM
Dec 2023

The election will be decided by a relatively small number of voters in several battleground states that will determine how the electoral college votes are allocated.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
12. Yes national polls are nonsense...
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 05:26 PM
Dec 2023

Fast fact...

Without the excess votes for Clinton in California...

Trump won the popular 49 State vote in 2016 by over a million votes

(Clinton won the popular vote by 3 million votes... but she won California by 4 million votes)

If the national numbers are a nail biter on election night, it's a red tsunami.

GOTV.

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
22. That's a point that's often neglected.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 06:17 PM
Dec 2023

Biden won the popular vote by 4.5%. The baseline to overcome the imbalance of the EC isn't much lower than that.

Turnout was also the highest since 1900. We need similar numbers in 2024.

 

DemocraticPatriot

(5,410 posts)
11. And will they mention this poll tomorrow morning on 'Meet The Press' ?
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 05:20 PM
Dec 2023

Somehow I doubt it... but glad to see these most recent results anyway.

muriel_volestrangler

(106,212 posts)
27. Well, I could see a point in using that word, but I wouldn't expect Newsweek to mean it
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 07:15 PM
Dec 2023

Yes, I think it's just a poor writer who meant "presumptive".

patphil

(9,068 posts)
17. I don't think these polls reflect what the voters will actually do on election day.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 05:51 PM
Dec 2023

Trump's base, yes it does.
But, people who would rather see a younger, more vital, candidate are trying to put pressure on President Biden not to run for reelection, so they are holding back, saying they will vote for someone else.
I'm not buying that.
It's Joe's decision, and if he goes for reelection, he will have my full support.
ANYONE the Democrats put up for President will get my full support.
Personally, I think Joe's still got it, and deserves our support.
Geez, the alternative is too scary to even think about.

W_HAMILTON

(10,333 posts)
23. I hadn't heard much reporting on polling lately, so I figured as much.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 06:18 PM
Dec 2023

When a poll shows Trump up, it's blasted all over the airwaves.

When a poll shows Biden up, it's not even reported on.

GreenWave

(12,641 posts)
26. This is amazing after Fox shoots shit out its mouth for over two straight years against Biden.
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 07:11 PM
Dec 2023

Imagine them without a 24/7 brainwash campaign.

TheRickles

(3,386 posts)
29. Predicting the result of an election a year from now based on a poll today is like
Sat Dec 2, 2023, 07:56 PM
Dec 2023

Predicting the weather a year from now based on today's temperature.

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