Muslim/Arab Americans start an anti Joe Biden campaign. I guess they'd prefer a madman deciding their fate.

[Cyrano]

Whatever problem Muslims have with Biden, opposing him is helping Trump no matter how you view it. And if Trump wins/steals the presidency, many/most of them may be deported at best, or end up in camps at worst. (And even worse, they may be death camps. If you find that statement extreme, check out a bit of 20th Century history.)

Muslim Americans in several swing states are scheduled to gather in Michigan on Saturday to start a campaign they're calling #AbandonBiden, a reflection of their outrage over President Biden's handling of the Israel-Hamas war.

Why it matters: Arab American and Muslim American anger could hurt Biden's re-election prospects in most of the 2024 swing states he won in 2020, as those groups have been heavily Democratic.

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/02/muslim-americans-swing-states-anti-biden-campaign

[tritsofme]

1. What a bunch of morons.

[Cyrano]

2. They're not morons. They are people who are hurting badly.

And they're taking out their anger in a way that can only hurt them further.

[JohnSJ]

13. Not too much different than those supposed progressive who refused to vote for Hillary in 2016, by either voting

third party or not voting. It didn't take much either.

In every critical swing state in 2016, Hillary lost by less than 1%. In those same critical swing states, Jill Stein received 1% of the vote.

We have the Supreme Court we have today because of that.

If trump wins in 2024, anyone who voted third party, or doesn't vote, deserves everything that happens to them.

[tiredtoo]

22. When Obama won the primary

20 percent of Hillary's supporters did not vote for him in the general election. Let's not get back into dividing the party. We have one year to get the Muslims back into the fold. Now let's all get to work on that.

[LeftInTX]

55. What about Jews? There are more of them than Muslims.

People keep forgetting that. Additionally, Jews are more likely to be swing voters than Muslims. Muslims won't vote for Trump, but Jews will if the security of Israel is important to them.

[tiredtoo]

59. As of today I have yet to see Jews protesting against Biden

We do have to hold on to both sides of this fiasco. Not an easy task but, in politics nothing is easy.

[womanofthehills]

67. I guess you missed "Jewish Voice for Peace"

Taking over Grand Central Station a few weeks ago.

?si=pmAjVkL6hLkXLIve

[tiredtoo]

70. This is not the same as protesting against Biden. EOM

[lapucelle]

81. First, JVP was not protesting Biden.

Second, JVP are Hamas apologists.

On October 7, 2023, the day Hamas terrorists invaded Israel and killed 1,400 Israelis, and kidnapped at least 203 people (including Americans), most of whom were civilians, JVP released a statement claiming that “the source of all this violence” was “Israeli apartheid and occupation — and United States complicity in that oppression.” In interviews, JVP Executive Director Stefanie Fox and JVP Action Political Director Beth Miller both said that Israel was the “root cause” of the violence.

Prominent JVP activist Ariel Koren said she believed Hamas’s actions were consistent with “Palestinians’ right to resist

.”
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/jewish-voice-peace-jvp-what-you-need-know

[Polybius]

91. Wow

They sound like Black's for the Klan. Talk about self-hating.

[LenaBaby61]

82. I know about 2 dozen Jewish people, and they all HATE that fucker tRaitor tRump's guts ....

And would never vote for him. And at least HALF of them have duo-citizenship, and of that half, 3 are married to Palestinian's, and they'd never vote for that crazy son of a bitch tRump either. believe me, they're all hurting too, but they're not INSANE and wouldn't inflict further pain on this world by helping that insane asshole back into office. Hey, they could be lying to me but I doubt it, especially since I've know many for a long time and since they get really, REALLY unhinged on our cell phone calls and Streamyard conversations. They curse tRump's ass out in Yiddish. I now know enough Yiddish curse words to understand what they're calling him. Personally, I think he's sinking and going downhill so fast, that he may not make it to the 2024 General Election. They all know that that muthafukka trump is a genocidal maniac, because they hear and see him on his KKKlan rallies standing up there sweating and more than likely stinking and saying that he'd ban people (Muslims) for life, shut down NATO for good, get rid of all of our intelligence agencies and probably open up concentration camp type facilities for those vermin. who are disloyal to him. That vermin that fucktard is talking about is us all who are against his insane, size 5x, diaper wearing, adderal sniffing ass.

[LeftInTX]

87. Pew:63% of U.S. Jews described Trump as friendly toward Israel, 52% say the Democratic Party is friendly toward Jews.

These are swing voters. Jews are all over the country and many are in conservative areas like Palm Springs, suburban areas and don't forget Florida. I remember the Jewish Trump voters for Trump in Florida in those retirement communities.


Keep in mind there are Jewish populations in swing states like Michigan, PA, and WI. PA has the highest Jewish population of the three. MI probably has the second highest. There are also significant populations in Colorado. PA is not NY.

Even Jewish areas in Long Island tend to vote Republican. They helped elect George Santos.

Keep in mind: Jews vote. They don't sit out elections. Muslims are more likely just not to vote if they don't like the candidates, but Jews will vote no matter what. They have very high turnout.


https://apnews.com/article/south-florida-jews-israel-politics-biden-israel-hamas-5dde5353f7b06659809d122b57fa0e8b
About 43% of Florida’s Jewish voters supported Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election, compared with 30% of Jewish voters who supported him nationwide, according to AP VoteCast. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis won 45% of Jewish voters in his re-election,


Half of U.S. Jews say the Democratic Party is friendly toward American Jews
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/pf_05-11-21_jewish-americans-08-6/
Three-quarters of Orthodox Jews identify with or lean toward the Republican Party
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/pf_05-11-21_jewish-americans-08-0/
Half of all U.S. Jews describe themselves as liberal
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/pf_05-11-21_jewish-americans-08-1/

Majority of U.S. Jews described Trump as friendly toward Israel
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/pf_05-11-21_jewish-americans-08-5/

Vast majority of Orthodox Jews rated the nation’s policy toward Israel positively under Trump
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/pf_05-11-21_jewish-americans-08-4/

[womanofthehills]

40. Jill Stein is pulling 1% of vote again

And West is pulling more than her - on the latest Harris poll he ‘s pulling 4% (most polls he pulls from 1 to 4%. Kennedy pulls from 7 to 22%.

[JohnSJ]

41. That is funny since West is broke. Maybe that 4% will help pay for the child support he owes

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/green-party-candidate-cornel-west-owes-half-million/story?id=102293692

and those voting for the anti-vaxer Kennedy, most polls I have seen indicate he hurts trump more than Biden.

If people do not realize the stakes, and do what they did in 2016, and trump wins, ****em.

[The Magistrate]

29. That's Pretty Much the Definition Of Moronity, Sir, Isn't It?

"And they're taking out their anger in a way that can only hurt them further."

In fact its even worse: they are taking it out in ways that hurt others along with themselves.

I've seen a nice bit laying out the varying degrees:

There are intelligent people who do things which benefit others as well as themselves.

There are intelligent people who do things that benefit themselves and harm others.

There are stupid people who do things that harm themselves but benefit others.

There are stupid people who do things which harm themselves and harm others too.

[SoFlaBro]

25. I can believe how moronic they are with this chickenshit nonsense.

[yardwork]

3. I saw this coming.

It's 2016 all over again. People who have very selfish reasons for not wanting Biden to be reelected are funding and fueling this crap.

I think it would be worse except that the Biden administration has actually done a remarkably good job handling this situation.

[Big Blue Marble]

19. This is starting to feel more like 1968 than 2016.

My concern is as this war continues more, especially young people
will not support Biden. An anti-war movement is growing. What
feels selfish to you, is a deep moral crisis for many in the Democratic
Party. If this brutality against the people of Gaza continues, with
more deaths and destruction, Biden will be held accountable and
the party will be torn apart.

[yardwork]

23. I don't agree with most of that.

This is not our war. American kids aren't being drafted into it. The draft is what fueled the anti-war protests in the 60s and early 70s.

The Democratic Party is not fractured as it was in 1968 when the sitting president announced he wouldn't run. The Democratic Party is more unified than it has been in years, despite concerted outside efforts to split off votes.

Yes, Israel is our ally and the United States supports Israel, but the messaging from the White House is not at all supportive of deaths in Gaza. As I said, Biden is doing a remarkably good job.

Despite the external propaganda, most Americans don't consider this war in the Middle East top of their concerns.

[Big Blue Marble]

34. This is our war and those who oppose it, know that.

We are supplying the bombs and artillery. Our tax dollars
are funding it.

What you are not considering is the many outside forces
that will feed the animosity in the party through social media
that was not present in 1968. Schisms become fractures and
fractures becomes canyons when massaged by those whose
interests are in causing distention within the party.

This is a very dangerous time for Biden and the administration
knows it. (Hence the change in messaging if not in actions) Netanyahu
would just as soon destroy Biden's credibility with his base in hopes
that the Republicans win. Young and many not-so-young Democrats
already were showing dissatisfaction with the President, feeling
he is out of touch with their lives and interests. When over 60%
of the party are against this war, it builds on that narrative that
he is out of touch.

"Conversely, more than six in 10 Democrats (63%), adults younger than 35 (67%), and people of color (64%) disapprove, as do the slight majority of women (52%)."

HIs overall approval has dropped to 37%. Johnson's was at 36% when
he dropped out of the race. Yes there are intimations of 1968 if this
war continues.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/545045/americans-back-israel-military-action-gaza.aspx

[LeftInTX]

56. Other polls show different results if they ask if they want Hamas eliminated

They all support elimination of Hamas

[David__77]

60. That's not inconsistent.

[yardwork]

69. Our best approach is to support Democrats for reelection.

If Trump gets back in the White House we're not going to have any say in anything.

[womanofthehills]

49. The Democratic Party is losing the young

It’s a different world now with the internet. A gazillion images of dead and injured kids on their phones is not going well with the younger generation- who are marching again today around the world and in NYC.

[Basic LA]

32. Getting the same callback to '68.

It didn't make sense in the long run then either. But it's shaping up that way again.

[Big Blue Marble]

35. Sadly, it does have that feel.

It feels like a trap that Biden could not avoid under the circumstances
either.

[Turbineguy]

4. Yes. It's like electing Hamas and expecting no consequences.

[NCIndie]

5. Trump is SO pro-Muslim. Makes sense.

They can join the throngs of Republicans who vote against their best interests.

[TheBlackAdder]

72. Meidas Touch unearthed thje source of the Muslim plot to not vote for Biden! You've guessed it.

[LenaBaby61]

83. Yeah, he's so Pro-Muslim ......

That he says constantly that he'll ban them from EVER coming back onto US SOIL WHEN he gets the White House back from Obama, er Crooked Biden. Son of a bitch is sinking. His health is gonna take his all OUTTA there. All the stress he's under and the lying and sweating, and clogged arteries that resemble McDonald's grease traps, his ass not drinking water nor exercising, being racist, being 77 and with a history of Alzheimer's a biscuit away from him in his now dead KKKLan Dad Fred .....Gawd, and those trials are eating his ass up alive. GOOD

[Cyrano]

84. Don't expect justice. Pricks like him live to be 100. And there's always,

someone ready to take their place. -- Someone who understands the mindset of Trump's cult, and has the charisma and list of talking/hate points that are needed,

[GuppyGal]

6. Corrupt wants Corrupt

[Behind the Aegis]

7. This is a disturbing level of stupidity.

If this were 2016, I might cut them some slack because the Orange Skidmark was an "unknown factor" despite many having an idea of what would happen, there was no way to know exactly what would happen under his reign. Their opinion then, would, IMO, be "ignorant". Even without certainty, one could extrapolate what might happen. Turns out, it was WAY worse than many predicted. But, to have this attitude now is not ignorance (not knowing), but stupidity (knowing but ignoring reality).

Being hurt is not a valid excuse to fuck everyone else over, including yourself. As a gay man, I was PLENTY angry at Clinton (my first vote) and Obama, but I sure as hell knew what the alternative would be! It also doesn't mean they shouldn't be vocal about their disappointments, real or imagined. It doesn't mean they should work to have those grievances addressed; they should. But, cutting one's nose off despite one's face, well, that is the definition of stupidity!

[JohnSJ]

14. Without a doubt. Many may not realize that American Muslims voted for George W Bush in 2000.

[keithbvadu2]

45. Some Muslims took credit for getting Dubya elected.

[lapucelle]

8. They sound like somebody's useful idiots.

Muslim American leaders from Michigan, Minnesota, Arizona, Wisconsin, Florida, Georgia, Nevada, and Pennsylvania are expected to meet in Dearborn, Mich., to start the new campaign.

This #AbandonBiden 2024 conference is set against the backdrop of the upcoming 2024 presidential election and the decision to withdraw support for President Biden due to his unwillingness to call for a ceasefire and protect innocents in Palestine and Israel," the group said in a statement.

"Leaders from swing states will work together to guarantee Biden's loss in the 2024 election."

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/02/muslim-americans-swing-states-anti-biden-campaign

[electric_blue68]

52. This is So Effin' Stupid And Dangerous!...

How well do you think your more typical decent Muslim is going to fare under a drumphf autocracy?! Especially with probably even more riled up racist, and Anti Muslim-American Magats!

And then as a poster above me points out everyone one else (So Many targeted groups by drumphf, and MAGAT's) will be dragged along into This Hell!
😩

>ETA
I'm would be as furious with any group of people that you might, or would expect to normally vote for Biden - decide Not to!

[Butterflylady]

61. Well then, pack up your belongings and ready to leave

This country if you're on bent on making sure Biden loses.

Why did they come here in the first place? I suppose it was because freedoms we have here. Well I can tell you if Bidens gone you will not have them anymore because we won't have a democracy anymore.

[WDLAL]

68. This may just be an attempt to get Biden to stop supporting Israel.

The election is a year away. There is plenty of time for them to agree to support Biden before most people even begin to pay attention to the election.

[LakeArenal]

9. Just like Hispanics or African Americans for trump.

[Cyrano]

15. Or Jews for Trump. Any of America's minorities who vote for Trump, just don't "get it."

What does "get it" mean? He's already promised to use the government to go after his enemies. That statement alone, indicates the end of the American Constitution. He's telling us where he intends to go.

And he's also promised to set up "camps" for immigrants "and others." -- Others?

Anyone who is aware of the Holocaust will recognize the true meaning of those words.

I never thought the world would stand for another Holocaust (or, possibly and incredibly, even worse). But then, I didn't count on a Donald Trump, an insane Republican Party, and so many brain dead American voters.

[LakeArenal]

17. Don't forget Putin's messing with every Democratic Government.

[LeftInTX]

57. Jews that are strong supporters of Israel often vote Republican

[TheKentuckian]

74. Jews that are strong supporters of Israel often vote for Democrats

For all that matters.

[LeftInTX]

78. Like these?

There's a bit of a neocon element going on. Except for Jared, he's just crooked. But Frum, Kristol and Rubin would be considered swing voters. Don't know where Ari Fleischer stands these days. My SIL was also pretty much Republican, but I can't picture her voting for Trump.









https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=

[TheKentuckian]

89. No, not particularly.

I mean something like 65% of Jews generally vote for Democrats.

You can pretend none or few of them support Israel but it would just be pretense.

There are also significant amounts of Democrats that are not Jewish also strongly support Israel even on the left despite the appearance given by the TikTok morons.

[LeftInTX]

90. The needle can be moved

Majority of U.S. Jews described Trump as friendly toward Israel
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-political-views/pf_05-11-21_jewish-americans-08-5/

They have a very high turnout rate. If it drops to down to 50%, that is alot of votes lost.

Let's say Biden abandons the war and let's Hamas win. (Not gonna happen), but that needle will move down. And yes about non-Jewish Democrats who support Israel. I agree.

[JohnSJ]

10. They helped bring us where we are today when they voted for George Bush.

[DFW]

11. LOTS of people from swing states will work to prevent Biden's re-election.

Most if them are called Republicans.

Follow the money. It takes money to finance anything, including this. It sure isn’t coming from the DNC or the state Democratic Parties. What well-financed groups want Trump or one of his clones to replace Joe Biden?

[LexVegas]

12. Hamas propaganda has worked on many many people. nt

[GuppyGal]

65. Yes everything is going according to their plan......I'll bet even better than they expected !!! They are delighted

with all the pro pro rallies and ceasefire NOW talk.

[womanofthehills]

79. They are seeing this everyday on their phones

CNN video of injured & dead little children

This is why they rally. The American kids on TicToc are horrified at the images of injured kids they see - day after day.

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRvWkSms/

[BlueTsunami2018]

16. This isn't a very bright country.

It just isn’t. This is such typical “cut off your nose to spite your face” idiocy.

It’s short sighted foolishness. Do these people really think Тяцмр is going to be better for them and for THIS country? The country in which they reside.

It would be nice if people remembered that we’re Americans. We’re not Israelis and we’re not Gazans. Sure, have an opinion but don’t allow your allegiance to a foreign country to destroy the country you live in.

That’s what they’re doing here, actively working to destroy this country.

[whathehell]

43. Speak for yourself..

Don't broadbrush the entire country.

[BlueTsunami2018]

46. I call it as I see it.

Obviously not everyone is this dumb but there is a huge problem with ignorance in the country.

Reminds me of a classic Carlin bit.

?si=CTzhE9RucuDwlmXA

[whathehell]

48. That's the problem..

What is the point of comparison?
We don't "see" it in other countries, because we don't live there. It's not an American thing, it's a human thing.

[Cyrano]

20. I strongly disagree with your laying this totally on Muslim Americans.

As other posts in this thread have pointed out, many in minority groups either opt for Trump or don't vote at all.

Sorry, but my OP aside, I really must question why you have chosen to aim your hostility solely at American Muslims. Hmm.

(On edit: I can't help but wonder why you self-deleted your post.)

[DemocraticPatriot]

21. Not my hostility--- my "potential hostility"....

Their stated aim here is not just to protest, but to prevent President Biden from being re-elected, even if the alternative is so much worse...

But you are right, I should not judge them as a group-- only against their leaders who are taking this action.

Whatever people have supported Trump, minorities or not, already HAVE my hostility as individuals.

[Irish_Dem]

24. Biden was set up in a no win situation.

Either way he went meant he would lose votes.

Who benefits from this?

[FalloutShelter]

27. You hit the nail on the head.

Last edited Sat Dec 2, 2023, 06:46 PM - Edit history (1)

Divide and conquer.

[Irish_Dem]

28. Putin is desperate for Trump to win. And will pull out all the stops.

His plan has been nothing short of brilliant.

[FalloutShelter]

38. I hate to agree with you...

But I do.

[peppertree]

39. Among other miscreants

"We've both tried to hack their voting machines and spy on their lawmakers, Vlad - but when I do it, not even their media can call me out on it!"

"What a country."

[Irish_Dem]

50. Yes all the other usual suspects.

[mahina]

33. Trump, Russia, Iran, China

[patphil]

26. It's amazing how people let anger cloud their judgement.

President Biden is trying to walk the middle ground in the middle east, and broker a settlement that is best for all the people in the middle east.
Trump wouldn't give a shit if every single Muslim was dead.
Of course he wouldn't give a shit if every single Jew was dead either, but that's just the man's hate shining through his veneer of respectability.

Who do they want in the White House. Someone who actually cares about people, or a mean-spirited, angry, hate-filled, violent narcissist, who only wants your vote and nothing else?
Trump is the death of America. We can't let him win, and we need to take back the House, plus hold the Senate.
Unfortunately, the Supreme Court will take time.

[honest.abe]

30. Miss the forest for the trees.

Hope they will realize this before the election. I think they will.

[mahina]

31. Getting paid

[Martin Eden]

36. They think Trump or any Rethug would be more sympathetic to the plight of Muslims?

Because like it or not, the next president will be either a Democrat or a Republican.

[nycbos]

37. To paraphrase a recent post I saw.

... Jews rallied against the Muslim ban because we couldn't imagine a more un-American idea. We rallied for the LGBT community because love is love emerged after George Floyd's murder, because Black Lives Matter, no we are alone because we a Jews.

[Mountainguy]

42. Well, if it causes Trump to win

Then I guess I won't have to worry when he starts Muslims bans and such. That's apparently what they wanted.

I'm sure MAGA will be very accepting of them.

[BComplex]

44. I wonder who is funding the movement?

Grassroots donations?

[keithbvadu2]

47. Ideological purity based on a single issue.

[TheKentuckian]

76. They grok Chump is a Nazi

So, figure there is least a puncher's chance he will kill some Jews and failing that if there is another election of any consequence to cynically tie Chump's supporting of Israel (because of course he will sell weapons to anyone and the Evangelicals demand it) up in the the anti-Agolf whirlwind is all I can pull out of it.

[liberal N proud]

51. Another group misinformed and misguided

Voting against their own best interest

[lapucelle]

53. The group doesn't care if Trump gets elected. It's baked into their calculus.

We recognize that, in the next four years, our decision may cause us to have an even more difficult time. But we believe that this will give us a chance to recalibrate, and the Democrats will have to consider whether they want our votes or not."

https://www.axios.com/2023/12/02/muslim-americans-swing-states-anti-biden-campaign

[NYC Liberal]

58. I remember Nader supporters saying the same thing in 2000.

That worked out well.

[shrike3]

75. "Give us a chance to recalibrate." Sigh ....

[duckworth969]

54. Better off using energy & resources to pressure Biden admin

Than electing into office an authoritarian state that will stomp all over Arab & Muslim Americans.

[gulliver]

62. I don't see some "angry, self-elected fringe" of Muslims opposing Dems as costing us politically

Quite the contrary. Angry people who usurp the rightful voices of any demographic are a turnoff to everyone.

Now if it happens to be a lot of the Muslim community switching votes, we need to work to try to keep them. But if they won't stay (as with any demo), then their votes will need to be replaced. We'll need to abandon support for voters who don't support us and use those resources and that political capital to win over other voters who do support us.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

63. Muslim immigrants and Muslim-Americans who want Freedom and Democracy .....

will want it in the coming years.

The message is clear...DEMOCRATS will fight for Freedom and Democracy in 2026 and 2028 by voting for it in 2024. Voting AGAINST Freedom and Democracy will have disastrous affects for sure, especially for them.

[GuppyGal]

64. I appreciate that we come from all over and have different background but we are all AMERICANS and we support

our allies and our party even if we disagree with some things.

[LeftInTX]

66. Jewish support is more important electorally. They vote

Alot of Muslims are not eligible to vote.
Jews have a very high voter turnout.

They also can be swing voters.
Do we want to alienate an important part of our base?

Also, we have alot of vets and just plain old people who support Israel. (not evangelicals, but just plain old voters)
Do they want Hamas to win?

Hamas' latest demands are crazy. They want all of their prisoners freed. All of them.
As a matter of fact, Hamas got some from prisoners from Libya freed on Friday and these are prisoners who the United States had locked up. They are arms dealers.


(I think Investigation Discovery could start a series: The Terrorist Next Door)
Fortunately, these guys are going to Turkey and Qatar, but those tunnels from Egypt still exist.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/libya-said-to-free-four-hamas-members-held-since-2016/#:~:text=Libyan%20authorities%20on%20Friday%20released,in%20Tripoli%20in%20October%202016.

Do we want to be seen as the party that bends to rabble-rousers. (Protesters)
The protesters are not very popular and are turning people off.

[Ispa77]

71. This could help Biden with moderates

Who knows.

[ZonkerHarris]

73. Their the new Jews for Hitler.

[usonian]

80. Hasn't this been debunked as more media-amplified bullshit?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218502558

Meidas Touch: Sources of the Muslim plot to not vote for Biden unearthed. MSM amplifies this fraud.

Sure got folks here at each other's throats.
Guess it worked.

Could even be ChatGOP.

[LeftInTX]

88. If they're mad, I think many just won't vote.

[Happy Hoosier]

85. And a little more of my sympathy slips away...

Absolute madness.

[bif]

86. So vote for the guy who hates Muslims. Got it!