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demmiblue

(39,691 posts)
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:21 PM Dec 2023

These people are vile. You want to do this outside an Israeli consulate or something? I get it, protest the government.

These people are vile.

You want to do this outside an Israeli consulate or something? I get it, protest the government. That’s fine.

Going after Jewish shop owners?








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These people are vile. You want to do this outside an Israeli consulate or something? I get it, protest the government. (Original Post) demmiblue Dec 2023 OP
Yes they are vile Hekate Dec 2023 #1
They are indeed vile. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #2
Kristallnacht Mossfern Dec 2023 #3
The 2023 version. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #9
maybe they do not like the war crimes of nutty yahoo and his ilk dembotoz Dec 2023 #4
Goldie Mossfern Dec 2023 #6
He, and go away with your nasty accusations aimed at fellow DUers. n/t demmiblue Dec 2023 #14
Less accusation, more observable fact. Attacking an American shopkeeper as a proxy for Israel Maru Kitteh Dec 2023 #51
Thank you. emulatorloo Dec 2023 #111
+1. tblue37 Dec 2023 #147
Mossfern STAYS. Cha Dec 2023 #56
Why is it nasty to call anti Semitic behavior, the work of an anti Semite? SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #118
saying nutty yahoo is a war criminal is anti- semitic???????????????????? really dembotoz Dec 2023 #15
No, but attacking American Muslims because of 9/11 would be anti-Muslim, get it? elias7 Dec 2023 #19
That's NO GD reason to Attack a Jewish Deli in PA or Cha Dec 2023 #58
Last night protesters attacked a McDonalds in Times Square. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #59
I saw the Attacking McDonald's thread.. Cha Dec 2023 #63
no gd reason to shoot those kids in vermont dembotoz Dec 2023 #68
Protesters didn't shoot them. yardwork Dec 2023 #70
well someone sure as hell did dembotoz Dec 2023 #124
Rec Yes.. TY for Explaining that so well! Cha Dec 2023 #130
No there wasn't sarisataka Dec 2023 #88
Rec TY Cha Dec 2023 #129
Did Goldie or the McDonalds workers shoot them ? JI7 Dec 2023 #99
It's Not a GD "game". Cha Dec 2023 #128
There's also no gd reason to conflate the two and it's not a fucking game. Maru Kitteh Dec 2023 #142
A McDonald's franchise in Israel is providing free food to Israeli soldiers and hospitals. lapucelle Dec 2023 #158
The self-righteous don't concern themselves with facts! madaboutharry Dec 2023 #159
"Goldie, Goldie you can't hide, we charge you with genocide" TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #157
And so they cause a riot outside a Jewish-owned restaurant in Pennsylvania? yardwork Dec 2023 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #76
I don't think very many people will agree with you on that. yardwork Dec 2023 #79
It's good to see sarisataka Dec 2023 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #92
Israelis have been protesting Bibi. EllieBC Dec 2023 #94
This poster already stated, upthread, that it is ok to attack Jews in other countries. yardwork Dec 2023 #107
Don't tell me you missed months of tens of thouthands of Israelis protesting Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #115
Did you miss this bolded part? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #95
Do you pay taxes to the US Government? NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #103
No JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #16
What kind of logic is this? DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2023 #18
So attack random people?! uponit7771 Dec 2023 #22
Not random. They're attacking Jewish people. yardwork Dec 2023 #36
WTF does a Philadelphia falafel shop sarisataka Dec 2023 #23
And just what the fuck does Jewish shop owners in PA have to do Sal_NV Dec 2023 #24
I dont care for Netanyahu myself. ShazzieB Dec 2023 #35
Rec Yes.. ".. hideously ineffective.." well put. Cha Dec 2023 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #78
Plenty of outrage when that happened. MyNameIsJonas Dec 2023 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #83
This was not a boycott. yardwork Dec 2023 #84
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #85
The flyer is a list of restaurants the group plans to attack. yardwork Dec 2023 #87
You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #97
Rec Yes. Cha Dec 2023 #140
I'm guessing you felt the same about Muslim Americans who were harassed after 9/11? MyNameIsJonas Dec 2023 #108
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #110
This just isn't true. Harassment isn't just violence. MyNameIsJonas Dec 2023 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #114
Bye. Harassing innocents is not justifiable. MyNameIsJonas Dec 2023 #117
So there are Jewish people in your family? yardwork Dec 2023 #137
Have you been hiding under a rock all this time? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #96
It was here, on DU, for starters. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #116
That's insane Polybius Dec 2023 #46
They're Fucking Stupid Assholes For Sure. Cha Dec 2023 #55
what does that have to do with hassling a shopkeeper Skittles Dec 2023 #57
So... harass anJewish business?! Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #69
Who are the war criminals... Geezoh Dec 2023 #82
So what? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #156
If the purpose of this bullying and targeting is to increase sympathy for Palestinians, yardwork Dec 2023 #5
It isn't DetroitLegalBeagle Dec 2023 #11
You nailed it. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2023 #20
It's moving me to the other side Polybius Dec 2023 #47
I firmly believe these are GP6971 Dec 2023 #8
No question in my mind. They're funded by people who want Trump back in the White House. yardwork Dec 2023 #17
I work with one of these people Polybius Dec 2023 #48
I know several. yardwork Dec 2023 #71
Getting Their Info From TikTok Deep State Witch Dec 2023 #105
I agree that social media is a huge avenue. yardwork Dec 2023 #106
Yes and some nefarious shit is certainly taking advantage and co opting....cultivating ...it's pretty GuppyGal Dec 2023 #54
Philadelphia-based Israeli Chef Michael Solomonov giving 100% of restaurant sales to those injured in Israel war demmiblue Dec 2023 #10
Antisemites think donations sarisataka Dec 2023 #29
F*ckers JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #12
I've never felt that way before, but I'm beginning to. yardwork Dec 2023 #21
You oughta hear JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #25
They all have one thing in common, left and right: they like authoritarians. yardwork Dec 2023 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author Abolishinist Dec 2023 #60
I agree, and will leave it at that. Abolishinist Dec 2023 #62
Israel haters delight in this kind of shit. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #13
They certainly do. revmclaren Dec 2023 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #26
Did the shop owner shoot him? sarisataka Dec 2023 #30
I think this is just another example of the terrible priice exacted by rampant, unfettered hate. ShazzieB Dec 2023 #31
Whataboutism at its worst. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #38
The difference is that nobody is defending that. yardwork Dec 2023 #40
Thank you. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #41
That one complained bitterly that the media was "making Hamas look bad" right after 10/7, Maru Kitteh Dec 2023 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #66
Wow! Now I've heard it all! Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #145
And there's . . . people Dec 2023 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #65
How are you sure of that? Were you there? yardwork Dec 2023 #72
This message was self-deleted by its author claudette Dec 2023 #75
I'm not assuming anything, one way or the other. yardwork Dec 2023 #77
About 3,000 palestinians live in Philadelphia Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #90
How do you know they weren't Palestinians? nt Sal_NV Dec 2023 #73
They are Hamas Mossfern Dec 2023 #74
Many of the protests are well-attended by Arabs and/or Muslims. maxsolomon Dec 2023 #133
Ummmm K sheshe2 Dec 2023 #141
And, BOOM! There you have it. Photographic proof... and a self-deleted post. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #144
IKR?! sheshe2 Dec 2023 #150
No doubt about it. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #152
Oh no! sheshe2 Dec 2023 #153
. Maru Kitteh Dec 2023 #154
Whadda ya know.. A Photo of Palestinian Protesters!! Cha Dec 2023 #148
Love how they numbered the flags in the picture. sheshe2 Dec 2023 #149
Wow.. didn't see that before... Cha Dec 2023 #151
Agreed.... but was it necessary to "whatabout" this? Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #86
People need to stop... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #27
Stupid scumbags. dalton99a Dec 2023 #28
Fuck the scumbags that are doing this revmclaren Dec 2023 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author LudwigPastorius Dec 2023 #37
I find this ridiculous. Texasgal Dec 2023 #39
It says that they are either 1) extremely dumb EllieBC Dec 2023 #91
This is an absurd protest and so counterproductive to anything positive. It's how inciteful all Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #42
+1 demmiblue Dec 2023 #43
The rhetoric is absolutely fueling this. yardwork Dec 2023 #44
Posting this from another OP on the same Philadelphia protest progree Dec 2023 #45
They spelled antisemitic wrong. yardwork Dec 2023 #81
Well, you can't accuse them of being antisemitic now. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #119
It would be funny except it's not funny at all. yardwork Dec 2023 #120
Gov. Josh Shapiro: demmiblue Dec 2023 #49
the protestors should be id'd and named as teh anti semites they are. moonshinegnomie Dec 2023 #50
This is disgusting! electric_blue68 Dec 2023 #53
K&R betsuni Dec 2023 #64
They know how to rhyme. Boomerproud Dec 2023 #93
These kids have learned from other left wing groups using these tactics redqueen Dec 2023 #98
Reminds me a wee bit of what the right did during the build-up to and the war itself. shrike3 Dec 2023 #100
The far left and far right bend and meet at antisemitism. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #101
Good observation. n/t shrike3 Dec 2023 #102
They meet at antisemtism and also, often, misogyny and racism. yardwork Dec 2023 #122
It is amazing, ain't it? Behind the Aegis Dec 2023 #138
Over and over, humans never fail to disappoint. yardwork Dec 2023 #139
The "middle" left and right meets at similar intersections too TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #160
Performative activism at its finest, folks. Act_of_Reparation Dec 2023 #104
From Rep Brendan Boyle (D), who represents a district in the Philly area: emulatorloo Dec 2023 #109
. dalton99a Dec 2023 #112
I was assured in this very thread that none of the protesters were Palestinian. yardwork Dec 2023 #121
Completely vile. If we don't learn from history we will repeat it. beaglelover Dec 2023 #123
Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #125
Yikes, straight out of the book sarisataka Dec 2023 #127
You think it's possible.... yardwork Dec 2023 #132
Rec Thank You!! Cha Dec 2023 #143
I am for peace and a homeland for both. Lunabell Dec 2023 #126
No American President Did More For the Palestinians Deep State Witch Dec 2023 #131
ANY funeral is sacrosanct. imho Lunabell Dec 2023 #134
Crass, ignorant fools. Mob behavior. yardwork Dec 2023 #135
Whats Next? NowISeetheLight Dec 2023 #136
Disgusting. Elessar Zappa Dec 2023 #146
Trump's republicans hating on Jews again. keithbvadu2 Dec 2023 #155

Mossfern

(4,713 posts)
6. Goldie
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:28 PM
Dec 2023

is not a member of the Israeli government.
She's a shop keeper in the United States.

I didn't realize there were so many anti-semites here.

Maru Kitteh

(31,749 posts)
51. Less accusation, more observable fact. Attacking an American shopkeeper as a proxy for Israel
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:42 AM
Dec 2023

is racist antisemitism in action. Supporting that action by posting statements that continue to conflate random Jewish persons with the government of the State of Israel is also antisemitism in action.

It would be like my friend's little soul food place in South Carolina getting targeted because Idi Amin.



 

dembotoz

(16,922 posts)
15. saying nutty yahoo is a war criminal is anti- semitic???????????????????? really
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:34 PM
Dec 2023

try again

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
59. Last night protesters attacked a McDonalds in Times Square.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:24 AM
Dec 2023

I surmised it’s because McDonalds has a lot of kosher restaurants in Israel, so I guess that makes them Zionist colonial capitalists or…something.

I looked up Goldie’s. They’re also a kosher restaurant specializing in falafel. So I guess that makes them cultural usurpers or…something.

I don’t want to give up on humanity, but these idiots are making it a challenge.

Cha

(318,883 posts)
63. I saw the Attacking McDonald's thread..
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:47 AM
Dec 2023

I think they just hate Jewish People. and any chance they get they're going to spew it. We've seen it all over the place.. from the violent attacks and Harassment on Jewish Students and Teachers to Jewish Businesses all over the World.

These Jewish People have Nothing to do with what's happening in Palestine.. They Should be Protesting HAMAS If they care about Palestine so much.. HAMAS BROKE the CEASEFIRE.

Open hatred of Jews surges globally, inflamed by Gaza war

https://www.reuters.com/world/open-hatred-jews-surges-globally-inflamed-by-gaza-war-2023-10-31/

In Johannesburg, pro-Palestinian protesters marched to an area with a large Jewish community on Saturday, tearing off pictures of Israeli hostages in Gaza from the …

https://www.bing.com/search?q=protesters+attack+jewish+business+all+over+the+world&form=ANNTH1&refig=1e8d0cd313f24aab8e85404c73a2e43e&pc=HCTS

I wish I could support Goldie's.. it sounds delicious and I'm vegan.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
70. Protesters didn't shoot them.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 09:39 AM
Dec 2023

A man - who sounds like he is probably a MAGA - has been arrested for that shooting. He's in jail. He's not Jewish, by the way, in case you thought he was. I doubt he knows much about Israel or Palestine.

This OP is about an organized harassment of a Jewish business that was targeted by a mob.

sarisataka

(22,665 posts)
88. No there wasn't
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:58 AM
Dec 2023

It was done by a hateful POS.

Does it in any way excuse these protests and antisemitism? If no, then why bring it up?

Maru Kitteh

(31,749 posts)
142. There's also no gd reason to conflate the two and it's not a fucking game.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 05:49 PM
Dec 2023

Protesting a Jewish shopkeeper in the US because Bibi is antisemitic, ignorant and wrong.
Shooting young men with Palestinian heritage in the US because Hamas is islamophobic, ignorant and wrong.

Get it? Got it? Good.




lapucelle

(21,052 posts)
158. A McDonald's franchise in Israel is providing free food to Israeli soldiers and hospitals.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:57 PM
Dec 2023

Meanwhile...

McDonald's Israel, in June 2013, turned down an offer to open a restaurant in Ariel in June 2013, citing its declared policy not to open any branches in West Bank settlements across the Green Line.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald%27s_Israel#cite_note-14

madaboutharry

(42,033 posts)
159. The self-righteous don't concern themselves with facts!
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 01:26 AM
Dec 2023

This kind of information about McDonald’s not opening any restaurants beyond the green line wouldn’t matter to a mob that decided to harass businesses with any connection to Jews or Israelis.

After they were at McDonald’s in Times Square these protesters, actually this mob, moved on to a Starbucks. There are no Starbucks in Israel. Howard Schultz had opened several shops, but it was a colossal failure. The Israelis didn’t like his coffee. So one can only conclude that they targeted Starbucks because the company is owned by a Jewish person.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
157. "Goldie, Goldie you can't hide, we charge you with genocide"
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:16 PM
Dec 2023

Has what to do with Netanyahu?

Also, what does this shop owner have to do with Netanyahu?

Y'all spin, lie, hate, and willfully deceive no matter how vile you have to be in an effort to get your way while feigning bogus injury in little different fashion than the MAGA goons and Chump.

We see you.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
7. And so they cause a riot outside a Jewish-owned restaurant in Pennsylvania?
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:29 PM
Dec 2023

Are you saying that all Jewish people are responsible for Netanyahu's actions? Even if they don't even live in Israel?

Response to yardwork (Reply #7)

sarisataka

(22,665 posts)
89. It's good to see
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:01 AM
Dec 2023

When someone decides to stop pretending


I'm not sure who "they" are but please tell "they" they are wrong. It is completely possible to support Palestinians without being antisemitic.

Response to claudette (Reply #76)

EllieBC

(3,639 posts)
94. Israelis have been protesting Bibi.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:44 AM
Dec 2023

Have you missed the news the last year?

I have an honest question for you. Do you think attacking Jews in other countries is ok? It seems you are unsure to say.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
107. This poster already stated, upthread, that it is ok to attack Jews in other countries.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:47 PM
Dec 2023

The statement was that any person supporting Israel is a valid target.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
115. Don't tell me you missed months of tens of thouthands of Israelis protesting
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:51 PM
Dec 2023

Netanyahu's attempts to undermine Israel's democracy. It was all over the news for a long time.

And not a single falafel shop employee harassed during these demonstrations.

Oh, and who are "they" who voted him in? 64% of Israelis didn't vote for Metanyahu.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
95. Did you miss this bolded part?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:55 AM
Dec 2023
Are you saying that all Jewish people are responsible for Netanyahu's actions? Even if they don't even live in Israel
?

You're saying that Jews that don't even live in Israel are responsible for Netanyahu's actions?
Are you really saying that?

How about Israeli citizens that didn't vote for Netanyahu? Are they responsible also?

NutmegYankee

(16,477 posts)
103. Do you pay taxes to the US Government?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:21 PM
Dec 2023

If you do you are also responsible for the deaths of Palestinian civilians. Your money supplied the bombs. Hey, it's YOUR argument! Give yourself a pat on the back.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,502 posts)
18. What kind of logic is this?
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:37 PM
Dec 2023

Hey, we disagree with Israel's government, let's go protest a business in the US who has no ties to Israel's government and nothing in common with Netanyahu besides being Jewish....

Oh, there it is. I guess that's their problem with this shop.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
24. And just what the fuck does Jewish shop owners in PA have to do
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:50 PM
Dec 2023

with what's happening in the ME?

ShazzieB

(22,563 posts)
35. I dont care for Netanyahu myself.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:30 PM
Dec 2023

But this is a hideously cruel, not to mention profoundly ineffective, way to express disagreement with his policies.

This is pure, unbridled antisemitism, based on the deeply erroneous assumption that all Jews are in league with each other in any misdeeds by any Jew anywhere. I can't even express how repugnantly offensive that is.

Response to ShazzieB (Reply #35)

 

MyNameIsJonas

(744 posts)
80. Plenty of outrage when that happened.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:23 AM
Dec 2023

Sounds like you're trying to justify attacking American Jews. Maybe you have a problem with Jews in general.

Response to MyNameIsJonas (Reply #80)

Response to yardwork (Reply #84)

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
87. The flyer is a list of restaurants the group plans to attack.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:54 AM
Dec 2023

And they spelled antisemitic wrong.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
97. You just keep digging yourself deeper and deeper.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:03 PM
Dec 2023
But I thought someone posted in this thread. a list of restaurants to boycott. This was free speech directed at innocent Jews. Although we don’t really know if they support Israel’s mass murders. At least it was not violence against innocents like the Palestinians in Gaza are enduring now.

Response to MyNameIsJonas (Reply #108)

 

MyNameIsJonas

(744 posts)
113. This just isn't true. Harassment isn't just violence.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:25 PM
Dec 2023

But just to be clear.

Protesting Muslims = a hate crime and is wrong.

Protesting Jews = is fine.

Sure sounds like your problem isn't with Israel. You just seem to hate Jews in general.

Response to MyNameIsJonas (Reply #113)

 

MyNameIsJonas

(744 posts)
117. Bye. Harassing innocents is not justifiable.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 02:03 PM
Dec 2023

Whether Muslim or Jewish. What was happening to this deli was harassment.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
137. So there are Jewish people in your family?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 04:25 PM
Dec 2023

Do they all support "what Israel is doing in Gaza?" You posted downthread that you think its possible that every Jewish American "supports what Israel is doing in Gaza." This must include your family, then? Maybe you should talk to them.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
96. Have you been hiding under a rock all this time?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:00 PM
Dec 2023

There was plenty of pushback against those that blamed all Muslims for the 9/11 terror attack.
Google is your friend, try using it.

Polybius

(21,879 posts)
46. That's insane
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:52 PM
Dec 2023

Come on, man. I don't like Bibi either, but the store owner has nothing to do with him.

Happy Hoosier

(9,531 posts)
69. So... harass anJewish business?!
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 09:22 AM
Dec 2023

I’m astonished at what I am seeing right here on DU. Including from DU “celebrities.”

Geezoh

(35 posts)
82. Who are the war criminals...
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:28 AM
Dec 2023

The war criminals are Hamas. Their rocket launching installations, and their mortar installations are purposely put next to schools, hospitals, residential building and any where else where the maximum number of children will die in an Israeli airstrike. Because what Hamas wants more than anything is the anti-Semitic sentiment generated by dead children. The only purpose of a Hamas attack on Israel that Hamas (and their financial supporters in Iran) and Iran knew they could never win was maximizing the number of dead children generated by Israelis defending themselves.

And why are we pointing our gnarly stink-finger of blame at Netanyahu? The day after the attacks, Netanyahu and the rest of the Israeli government sat down and worked out a plan that all could support. The plan is supported by the great majority of Israelis...so maybe it's just Jews who are war criminals.

It's amazing to me how quickly people in this country forget that the September 11th attacks were not carried out by a bunch of blue haired Hadassah ladies on a break from their majongg club. They were carried out by Islamofascits terrorist, genocidal terrorists...not Jews.

The only genocidal war criminals in this fight are Hamas. Were the Brits and the Americans genocidal war criminals when they firebombed Dresden in February 1945? Some say we were, some are idiots. The German people made Hitler possible, just like Gazan Palestinians make Hamas possible.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
156. So what?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:07 PM
Dec 2023

Why in the world would you consider it to be even remotely acceptable to harass some random business owner because they are Jewish?

I'm not taking my issues with Hamas up with the poor soul operating the Kabob place down the road because I'm not weapons grade stupid, an evil asshole, or a bigot.

Do better!

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
5. If the purpose of this bullying and targeting is to increase sympathy for Palestinians,
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:27 PM
Dec 2023

I doubt it's working.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,502 posts)
11. It isn't
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:32 PM
Dec 2023

The purpose is to act on their antisemitism while they have political and media cover.

Polybius

(21,879 posts)
47. It's moving me to the other side
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:57 PM
Dec 2023

I've been condemning Israel for the airstrikes hitting too many innocents, and that won't stop, but I will never attend a pro-Palestinian protest.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
17. No question in my mind. They're funded by people who want Trump back in the White House.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:36 PM
Dec 2023

Polybius

(21,879 posts)
48. I work with one of these people
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:58 PM
Dec 2023

She despises anything Trump at all, then sings "From the river to the sea" bullshit at her protests.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
71. I know several.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 09:42 AM
Dec 2023

They're young, naive, and I think they're sitting ducks for propaganda and infiltrators. When I mention this they accuse me of seeing "reds under the bed."

This time, the alligator really is under the bed.

Deep State Witch

(12,706 posts)
105. Getting Their Info From TikTok
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:33 PM
Dec 2023

The younger people are getting their information from TikTok, Insta, and other social media without knowing where it comes from. The Iranian government has a very robust information warfare program that is probably cranking out a lot of these memes and videos. The Russians are also very good at this - as we all know. And they were the ones who trained Hamas.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
106. I agree that social media is a huge avenue.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:44 PM
Dec 2023

I think that groups like DSA are also infiltrated and influenced by Russia. We're seeing third party candidacies again. Who is funding Cornel West? He's broke. We know who is funding Jill Stein.

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
54. Yes and some nefarious shit is certainly taking advantage and co opting....cultivating ...it's pretty
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:02 AM
Dec 2023

obvious.

demmiblue

(39,691 posts)
10. Philadelphia-based Israeli Chef Michael Solomonov giving 100% of restaurant sales to those injured in Israel war
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:31 PM
Dec 2023
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) -- Philadelphia-based Israeli Chef Michael Solomonov is helping to raise money for those injured in the war in Israel.

Solomonov owns four restaurants in Philadelphia under the banner CookNSolo, including Zahav, Goldie, Laser Wolf and K'Far Cafe. Zahav was awarded the James Beard Foundation "Outstanding Restaurant" in 2019.

Solomonov said he would be donating 100% of all sales Thursday to Friends of United Hatzalah. The nonprofit emergency medical service responds to emergencies across Israel free of charge.

https://www.cbsnews.com/philadelphia/news/philadelphia-based-israeli-chef-michael-solomonov-zahav-israel-war/


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sarisataka

(22,665 posts)
29. Antisemites think donations
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:05 PM
Dec 2023

To Israeli volunteer EMS is genocide? I am starting to realize why the term is so misused.

JustAnotherGen

(38,043 posts)
12. F*ckers
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:32 PM
Dec 2023

We need to stop these hateful fucks now. You don't like Jewish people? Leave America. Move to one of the numerous Arab countries that forcibly removed Jewish people in mass ethnic cleansing from the land.

Egypt, Iran, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon . . . this shit is cool with them. Go there.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
21. I've never felt that way before, but I'm beginning to.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:41 PM
Dec 2023

I really think there are some people living here who ought to leave. They seem to despise everything about America and they admire and romanticize countries with horrible human rights abuses.

I seriously begin to feel that some folks ought to just leave and go find out for themselves what it's like to live with HAMAS.

JustAnotherGen

(38,043 posts)
25. You oughta hear
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:51 PM
Dec 2023

What I say about MAGATS taking their asses to Russia. I want them gone too. They can go - and we can welcome in people who would LOVE to live in America.

And I'm going to say something else - people who say "Egypt allowing in Palestinians would be condoning Ethnic cleansing" . . . they should be lobbying their Representatives to ban allowing Palestinian refugees into the USA. I mean - we wouldn't possibly want to encourage Israel in their ethnic cleansing.

Most of these folks aren't even aware that many Arab Countries - to include Egypt - expelled Jews starting in 1948. Because of Israel. Well folks - ain't no takesy backsey. The Arab world created this - I wash my hands of their 'issues'.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
33. They all have one thing in common, left and right: they like authoritarians.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:28 PM
Dec 2023

They believe that they are the only ones who know the right answer, and they are determined to make everybody else comply.

Response to yardwork (Reply #21)

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

sarisataka

(22,665 posts)
30. Did the shop owner shoot him?
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:07 PM
Dec 2023

Or is this just bringing up an unrelated incident to justify this hate?

ShazzieB

(22,563 posts)
31. I think this is just another example of the terrible priice exacted by rampant, unfettered hate.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:21 PM
Dec 2023

It's an unrelated incident except for being another example of people misdirecting their hate onto innocent parties, with terrible consequences in this case.

No justification involved.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
40. The difference is that nobody is defending that.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:35 PM
Dec 2023

The accused murderer is in jail, and if he did it, he'll be convicted and go to prison. And absolutely nobody on DU will say "but but but what about???"

While right here in this thread we have (a) a defense of the riot targeting a Jewish business and (b) whataboutism.

I repeat, I've not seen a single, solitary post defending the shooting of those three Palestinian men. Not one. Yet this attack on a Jewish business is defended.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
41. Thank you.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:38 PM
Dec 2023

This one has done everything in his/her power to deflect with whataboutism and makes no bones about it.

Maru Kitteh

(31,749 posts)
61. That one complained bitterly that the media was "making Hamas look bad" right after 10/7,
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 01:35 AM
Dec 2023

I shit you not. These exact words; "make Hamas look bad." It's really difficult to reconcile what is found in places I would have never dreamed I would see them before October 7. It hurts.

Response to yardwork (Reply #40)

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
145. Wow! Now I've heard it all!
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 07:14 PM
Dec 2023
>> It’s misplaced freedom of speech
Wow! Now I've heard it all! That's a unique way to defend aggressive antisemitic behavior.

people

(844 posts)
52. And there's . . .
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:44 AM
Dec 2023

I'm not sure what you mean by "both sides." In this country there is hate among some people for Muslims as well as for Jews. The 3 Palestinian young men shot in Burlington, Vermont were not shot by a jewish person -- just wanted to make that clear.

Response to people (Reply #52)

Response to yardwork (Reply #72)

Happy Hoosier

(9,531 posts)
90. About 3,000 palestinians live in Philadelphia
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:03 AM
Dec 2023

Not saying all the protestors were Palestinians, but feeling pretty confident that at least some were.

Not that it matters.... hate is hate.

Mossfern

(4,713 posts)
74. They are Hamas
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 09:55 AM
Dec 2023

sympathizers. They believe propaganda put out by Hamas and are their useful idiots.

maxsolomon

(38,680 posts)
133. Many of the protests are well-attended by Arabs and/or Muslims.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 04:22 PM
Dec 2023

It's not all super-lefty white college kids like we imagine.

You can look at photos and figure it out pretty easily. When they aren't wearing masks to hide their faces/protect others from CV-19...

Cha

(318,883 posts)
148. Whadda ya know.. A Photo of Palestinian Protesters!!
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 09:49 PM
Dec 2023

We were told there were none.

Sure thing.

TY for the Photo, she:

Happy Hoosier

(9,531 posts)
86. Agreed.... but was it necessary to "whatabout" this?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 10:49 AM
Dec 2023

Can't we condemn individual acts of hate without having to qualify it with an act committed against the side we are more sympathetic to?

For the record, I absolutely condemn the entirely unjustified act of hate aginst those 3 young men, without qualification.

 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
27. People need to stop...
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 10:58 PM
Dec 2023

...taking out their aggression on innocent civilians over this.

Jewish people do not equal the Israeli government.

Palestinians do not equal hamas.

revmclaren

(2,613 posts)
32. Fuck the scumbags that are doing this
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:23 PM
Dec 2023

and anyone who supports this antisemitism in words, deeds, and excuses .

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

Texasgal

(17,240 posts)
39. I find this ridiculous.
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:33 PM
Dec 2023

Protest... sure. Blame a local falafel restaurant? What does that say about YOU?

EllieBC

(3,639 posts)
91. It says that they are either 1) extremely dumb
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 11:05 AM
Dec 2023

or 2) just Jew haters.

If you look up thread a ways I’m guessing it’s likely they are just Jew haters.

Nanjeanne

(6,577 posts)
42. This is an absurd protest and so counterproductive to anything positive. It's how inciteful all
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:38 PM
Dec 2023

this rhetoric is. Protests are valid ways of expresssing feelings over policies. THIS demonstration at an Israeli falafel restaurant is disgraceful and stupid. The rhetoric must be dialed back. There is real trauma being suffered by Israeli and Palestinian families. Humanity needs to step up.

 

Beastly Boy

(13,283 posts)
119. Well, you can't accuse them of being antisemitic now.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 02:11 PM
Dec 2023

They are antisemetic. So enough with your false accusations! ( )

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
120. It would be funny except it's not funny at all.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 02:53 PM
Dec 2023

People running around claiming to be oh so caring and "sad" about things when the main thing they're doing is promoting antisemitic acts that, by now, we all should be very familiar with.

It was antisemitic harassment when frat boys marched in Charlottesville with their little cosplay tiki torches, shouting "Jews will not replace us." And it's antisemitic harassment when people form a mob outside a Jewish-owned deli in Philadelphia and shout accusations of genocide at them. The owners of this deli aren't responsible for the Israeli government's actions.

One way I can tell it's intentional antisemitism is that these protests don't ever seem to target the Israeli embassy, or the U.N., or the RNC. No, all the "protests" are aimed at Jewish individuals, Jewish-owned businesses, and Democrats.

demmiblue

(39,691 posts)
49. Gov. Josh Shapiro:
Sun Dec 3, 2023, 11:59 PM
Dec 2023
Tonight in Philly, we saw a blatant act of antisemitism — not a peaceful protest.

A restaurant was targeted and mobbed because its owner is Jewish and Israeli. This hate and bigotry is reminiscent of a dark time in history.


I’ve communicated tonight with @Mike_Solomonov and his team at Goldie to share our support and Lori and I look forward to breaking bread there with them again soon.



moonshinegnomie

(4,014 posts)
50. the protestors should be id'd and named as teh anti semites they are.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:23 AM
Dec 2023

im jewish at least by ethnicity. im also a gun owner who owns a lot of guns that i keep unloaded locked away in a safe just in case.
Im seriously considering that its time to keep them loaded.
my stepdad fled the holocaust. if theres one thing i learned from him is not to screw around with anti semites.


electric_blue68

(26,835 posts)
53. This is disgusting!
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:57 AM
Dec 2023

Herassing some random USA Jewish/Israeli shop owner?!

(Oh, wait... He must a dedicated phone in the supply room right to Bibi!)

Sure looks/sounds Anti-semitic to me! 😬
I know more or less where (waaaaay decades back) a particular Jewish/Israeli falafel shop on a corner in Midtown Mahattan was bc I used to occasionally get my lunch there.
I'd be scared for them, and projecting up to the present the same if I saw (I hope not!) similar footage for a similar place in NYC today.

redqueen

(115,186 posts)
98. These kids have learned from other left wing groups using these tactics
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:07 PM
Dec 2023

The right wing created the tea party which morphed into the monstrosity that is the maga movement.

The far left created the social justice movement and the extremists from that group are now following that same path of going off the rails.

Extremism is bad no matter which side you're on.

 

shrike3

(5,370 posts)
100. Reminds me a wee bit of what the right did during the build-up to and the war itself.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:11 PM
Dec 2023

Vandalized shops and businesses owned by French. Because, "cheese-eating surrender monkeys," and all.

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
122. They meet at antisemtism and also, often, misogyny and racism.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 03:03 PM
Dec 2023

Ask the women who were involved in the Black Panthers about sexism and misogyny. You'll get an earful.

Behind the Aegis

(56,104 posts)
138. It is amazing, ain't it?
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 04:32 PM
Dec 2023

How some, calling themselves progressives/left, can devolve into bigotry against another group, by attacking another minority, sometimes within their own demographic. Think about the racism and homophobia in the beginning of the feminist movement or the sexism and racism in the Queer rights movement. When you really think about who has the power, it isn't the minorities, but, we all to combine against them, we become a super majority. The sad thing is the powers that be understand this and keep us at each other's throats and therefore don't have to worry about any "individual" minority rising too high, because they can always get another minority group to take them down. Shameful!

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
139. Over and over, humans never fail to disappoint.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 04:36 PM
Dec 2023

Most of the people romanticizing HAMAS would be killed instantly if they fell into their hands.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
160. The "middle" left and right meets at similar intersections too
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 02:00 AM
Dec 2023

No bending required. What you speak to is found wherever you look.

The far right just revels in it.

emulatorloo

(46,155 posts)
109. From Rep Brendan Boyle (D), who represents a district in the Philly area:
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 12:51 PM
Dec 2023
I can’t believe I even have to say this but targeting businesses simply because they’re Jewish owned is despicable. Philadelphia stands against this sort of harassment and hate.



beaglelover

(4,465 posts)
123. Completely vile. If we don't learn from history we will repeat it.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 03:10 PM
Dec 2023

The funniest ones to me are the members of the LBGT+ community making TikTok videos supporting the Palestinians and some even Hammas. Do they not realize that these people they support are NOT their friends and would more than likely kill them if they had their way. So much ignorance out there. It's a pity.

Response to demmiblue (Original post)

yardwork

(69,347 posts)
132. You think it's possible....
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 04:20 PM
Dec 2023

Well, I know for a fact that not all Jewish Americans support the creation of Israel at all. Full stop. I personally know Jewish Americans who don't think Israel ever should have been created. And they said so for many years

Next, I personally know many Jewish Americans who disagree with Israeli policies, and not just recently. Their disagreement goes way back, decades. In fact, I can't think of a single Jewish American I know personally who supports or has ever supported Netanyahu.

I'm not Jewish. As far as I know, not one Jewish ancestor. My 23andMe profile is boringly WASP. So I don't have an opinion about Zionism vs not Zionism but even I, with my limited experience, know that this has been a very difficult, heartbreakingly difficult issue for Jewish people. I feel compassion for why Israel was created, and I recognize there were not perfect solutions possible.

If you don't know any Jewish people who don't support "what Israel is doing in Gaza" then I don't think you know many - or even one - Jewish person.

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
126. I am for peace and a homeland for both.
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 03:44 PM
Dec 2023

But, this is an antisemitic attack on innocent civilians. I was also disgusted by the protesters presence at Roslyn Carter's funeral. She did not deserve that.

Yes, protest at government buildings, in public spaces, on the streets. March, march, march for peace. PEACE!! March to feed and take care of the innocents who are harmed by two malevolent forces. But, leave ordinary citizens the fuck alone!!!

Deep State Witch

(12,706 posts)
131. No American President Did More For the Palestinians
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 04:09 PM
Dec 2023

Than Jimmy Carter did. And they had the nerve to protest at his wife's funeral!

 

Lunabell

(7,309 posts)
134. ANY funeral is sacrosanct. imho
Mon Dec 4, 2023, 04:23 PM
Dec 2023

Especially someone like Roslyn Carter. She was such a wonderful person and not really a public figure. I was disgusted by that protest. And I'm a big fan of protesting.

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