FUCK THE SACKLER FAMILY

[Stinky The Clown]

PUT THEM IN JAIL. TAKE THEIR MONEY.

I HAVE ZERO SYMPATHY FOR THEM.

THEY DESTROYED COUNTLESS AMERICAN FAMILIES.

[elleng]

1. Yes, they did, and still doing it with all their $$$.

[peppertree]

44. The American Dream, as far as most Republicans are concerned

"Whut are you? Some kind of Commienist?"

[malaise]

2. Plain evil

Wealth over people

[marble falls]

3. And again and again for each of those they sold and contributed the poison that made so many dead.

[NowISeetheLight]

4. Exactly

Give up $7.5b of the how many billions they made. They should KEEP NO PROCEEDS of their crimes.

[PufPuf23]

50. Plowed the field for the fentanyl disaster. nt

[EYESORE 9001]

5. I second that emotion

[Mosby]

6. Should opioids be taken off the market?

How about the doctors that write the prescriptions, should they go to jail? Why not?

[Easterncedar]

7. They deliberately lied about the danger

They sold doctors on a false study claiming oxy wasn’t addictive and made a fortune. It wasn’t an accident or a misunderstanding.

[Docreed2003]

13. K&R...they absolutely did

See my post in reply below

[Igel]

28. The sales agents made claims.

But the record has them saying there were no studies to support that claim.

Nobody's disputed the claim that they ceased this claim in 2001.

It doesn't help those under 35 using meth or fentanyl. Their etiologies are radically different, and should be considered apart.

[Stinky The Clown]

9. Imagine your own beautiful daughter DEAD because of all this. Now answer your own question.

[Mosby]

21. Have you had a loved one with terminal cancer?

I have. I think opioids are an important treatment option and I wonder if they are going to be readily available in the future, because lawyers aren't just suing the Sackers over oxy, they are suing every one who has anything to do with opioids.

https://nationalopioidsettlement.com/

[Cheezoholic]

25. Yes, they have their place in treatment. I've been taking 5mg's of hydrocodone for 20 years

While, thankfully, I don't have cancer, for many of us, cancer or something else, it's a quality of life, or end of life, issue. What happened with oxycotin was nothing but a legalized heroin trade from the makers through the regulators to the pushers. As Docreed2023 said below the physicians were, in my mind, just as responsible. The only physicians that "believed" a company could chemically remove the addictive properties of an opioid graduated from Trump University. I mean seriously WTF? Big pharma was Pablo and the Dr's that dished this shit out 24/7 were street side pushers.

[Stinky The Clown]

29. Yes. As I type this, yes.

I have also dealt with addiction for more than 20 years. I have first hand familial experience with both sides of the opioid coin.

And yes, they will be available therapeutically.

[Igel]

30. My then-MIL was in pain.

And ran into roadblocks.

Her PhD was in biology. Yet she had trouble dealing with pain. Yes, surgery, yada-yada ... But she needed a pain specialist, necessarily sceptical, to evaluate her pain level.

She was never addicted. But she said that she more than once spent nights in a row awake from the pain, just moaning. A specialist you see once every month or two for 15 minutes can't evaluate you. And there's no consideration for who the person is. Granted, that's not always probative, but at some point you have to say the person has some responsiblity. A high-school drop-out with a family history of addiction versus a PhD with a family history of no addiction for 100 years ... Not quite the same, given education and genetic predisposition towards addiction.

The Feds sponsored needless pain.

[wryter2000]

43. What if your beautiful daughter had to have major surgery?

Would you want to watch her suffer day after day because she couldn't use an opiod?

[Stinky The Clown]

46. Why would that be the case?

[wryter2000]

53. Because after major surgery

Where surgeons literally cut into you and maybe remove a joint and replace it with hardware, you need opiates to control the pain. Someone cut into your body. Aspirin and ibuprofen can’t control that kind of pain.

The same is true for people dying of cancer. Opiates can control their pain so they don’t suffer. Otherwise, people would have to watch their loved ones die in protracted agony.

[Stinky The Clown]

54. My response to all that you just wrote is "duh". Of course people need opiates when indicated.

My position is not outlaw all opiates. My position to totally fuck up the Sacklers for abusing their product at the expense of ordinary people. For causing opioid dependence.

[demmiblue]

10. So obtuse. n/t

[Docreed2003]

12. See my reply below...

[Docreed2003]

11. Let me tell you a true story, to answer part of your question

When I was in med school, it was not unusual that we would have "industry lunches" from time to time, much like industry reps who make their rounds from practice to practice selling their latest wares. One lunch in my second year was sponsored by a company who was promoting a new drug called "OxyContin". We were told, straight faced, that this new drug was a breakthrough in the treatment of chronic pain and that addiction risk was essentially zero, no matter how high we dosed the patient. And wouldn't we naturally want to keep our patients pain free?

That was the bill of goods Purdue sold millions of providers. Now, some, like myself and many in our class that day, were exceedingly skeptical of the claims of "non-addicting", but far too many doctors believed it and far too many more cashed in on prescribing the shit.

Now, OxyContin has its uses, but the claim it was non habit forming was a damn lie and they knew it when they made those claims. THATS why this family and that company should pay for their crimes. To shift focus on the doctors who prescribed the drugs minimizes the harm that was knowingly caused by this family and their company. The doctors who failed their patients by over prescribing will have their own time in the spotlight. My profession FAILED patients and, make no mistake, I believe some providers who were the most egregious will end up in jail.

[Ponietz]

45. All the signs were there early on

A decent clinician would figure out right damn fast that the marketing was bullshit and proceed accordingly.

[whathehell]

47. That doesn't lessen the culpability of

the makers and their marketing team.

[Docreed2003]

48. "All the sign" were not there early on...that's pure hindsight

In the late 90's, I can assure you that "all the signs" were not there, at least from the way these drugs were being marketed and pushed on providers. OxyContin was literally being heralded as a miracle breakthrough in the management of chronic pain and they had their own data to back it up.

There's two reasons people in my class, like myself, were skeptical: a bunch of gen x'ers who question everything & the fact that many of us knew the street value of the shit per pill from our patients from working in the city charity hospital ER.


"All the signs" didn't become clear to most in the medical community until about a decade after Oxycontin's release and even then there were hold outs in the medical community who either claimed it was non-addicting or it was malpractice NOT to prescribe these drugs for chronic pain

[Seeking Serenity]

19. Funny (not really) that no one actually addressed your questions (n/t)

[thucythucy]

31. Actually, I think answer 11, directly above yours

is a rather detailed and cogent answer to the questions.

[Hekate]

37. Several people did, & from more than one angle

[Seeking Serenity]

55. Yes, after i made my comment (not claiming my comment spurred those responses)

At the time I made my comment, no one had directly answered Mosby's good-faith (I trust) questions about whether pharmaceutical-grade opioids should be removed from the market, or if MDs what prescribe them should be arrested. The initial responses were deflections about how the marketing around Oxy was bad and deceptive, and other effects from MDs being misled, &c.

Eventually, a few posters calmed their [redacted] and said that yes, opioid pain medicine does has a therapeutic role in proper medical care. Now, one could have a debate on the extent of that role, but this isn't the thread for that.

[mwooldri]

33. Opioids should not be taken off the market.

Morphine being the obvious example.

As for the doctors... If the doc was well aware of the medications addictive nature and prescribed irresponsibly then yes they should be prosecuted. However given that doctors were misled about Oxy and that most doctors do prescribe responsibily... then prosecutions of doctors en-masse shouldn't be contemplated. Case by case basis.

[wryter2000]

42. Hell, no

Major surgery would be impossible without strong painkillers for after care.

[flashman13]

14. They are seeking rich man justice. They will get it too.

67% of SCOTUS owes their seat to rich people and corporations.

[onecaliberal]

15. I'm sure they own all or part of enough judges to get away with it. The wealthy do not ever have consequences.

[ancianita]

16. They lied and conned the medical establishment, and then laundered their reputation with philanthropy.

There's a loong list of donations returned and plaques taken down throughout the world over their evil.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sackler_family

[appalachiablue]

23. ++

[Demovictory9]

17. I dont know how they sleep at night

[DENVERPOPS]

18. The entire pharmaceutical industry

from top to bottom is as corrupt as you can get................price gouging the sick, paying off politicians, rewarding CEO's and Executives with ludicrous paychecks..............

AND, they are not the only ones. The current crop of Corporations is mostly composed of the same type management.....

We are one millimeter away from a Corporate Fascist Tyranny

[OldBaldy1701E]

35. Hear Hear! (n/t)

[a kennedy]

20. How is it EVEN possible they don't have to do ANY jail time???

🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 🤬 All the people that have died with this shit……

[Codifer]

22. Plus:

Especially fuck the asshole from the Food and Drug Agency who upheld Perdue's claim that there could be no addiction potential because these capsules of poison were "time release".

Need I say that he got hisself a really great (high paying) job at Perdue after leaving Food and Drug?

Nah.

[PTL_Mancuso]

24. Every last penny. Every connection to the high-life severed.

Arrogant, money-grubbing Murderers

And let's not forget this wonderful scene they created and nourished:

Drug distributors delivered more than 30m opioid pills just to those three pharmacies, in one of the poorest counties in America. [West Virginia]

[redqueen]

26. How could that not be punished. How.

[sir pball]

27. Unfortunately, you get this deal or no deal. They can tie this up in court *forever*.

One of my friends is a lawyer with the firm that was handling this case for the States; when the Attorneys General rebelled and demanded more the Sackler lawyers literally said "This is what you get – any more and we will spend the $6 billion on litigation; we will appeal until we win or lose, then we will appeal a different point, and we will do that until the money runs out…and we will all be dead before then."

I hate it but I accept it.

[Xipe Totec]

32. I thought you were talking about the Trumps and misspelled Slacker nt

[PittBlue]

34. I taught in SW PA....

They called it Hillbilly Heroin. I have lost 14 former students to heroin overdoses. Most started with OxyContin as painkillers and then on to heroin. Devastating.

[eShirl]

36. They knew what they were doing. n/t

[Hekate]

38. Kick their asses from here to eternity & wreck their fortune

[Warpy]

39. Not too big to jail

and their blood money should be used to fund inpatient treatment for the people that shit they were pushing turned into rapid dependency on opioids. They need to be tapered down and it has to be inpatient. The alternative is continuing to force them to get their drugs on the street and that way lies overdose and death from poorly cut fentanyl.

[Elessar Zappa]

40. Because of those assholes,

the DEA has gone way too far the other way, denying people with legitimate pain, my dad being one of them. I now believe it’s better that an addict get a prescription unfairly, than someone in pain denied.

[wryter2000]

41. If you like quality horror

Watch Flanagan's new Netflix series Fall of the House of Usher. You'll enjoy it. This post is not off topic.

[PufPuf23]

49. The fact that crime pays is not lost on the very wealthy. kr

[dlk]

51. Psychopaths have no conscience...

n/t

[Chainfire]

52. The family is too big to jail. The country's largest drug dealers get immunity, who says crime does not pay?

Meanwhile, the street vendor does time. Justice in America.