Meidas Touch: Sources of the Muslim plot to not vote for Biden unearthed. MSM amplifies this fraud.

[TheBlackAdder]

MeidasTouch host Ben Meiselas examines the role of legacy media in amplifying what appears to be an astroturfed campaign against President Biden by people who never supported him to begin with.

Well, well, well. Seems only two sources and both were against Biden in 2020.

[Ms. Toad]

1. Regardless of whether the reports of organized efforts to vote Biden out of office are exaggerated by MSM

I have a number of Palestinian students I have kept in contact with - ones I know well enough to know they supported Biden in 2020 - at least one of whom actively campaigned for Biden in 2020. They are all extremely unhappy with Biden now, and some are unhappy enough to publicly state they may not vote for him in 2024.

I don't know that they are unhappy enough to vote for Trump, and I am actively reminding them how much worse they would be under Trump. But even so, their anger at his response may be enough to keep them home on election day.

[LexVegas]

3. A no vote is a vote for Trump. If they dont vote for Biden, fuck 'em. nt

[Ms. Toad]

5. That's certainly a good approach to re-elect Biden -

Just trash people who voted for, and actively supported, Biden because they now legitimately feel betrayed by Biden's relativley unqualified support for the Netanyahu's destruction of their homeland and putting the lives of their loved ones in danger.

[Silent3]

13. There's a difference between what you'd say to a person's face vs talking in a public forum...

...about what you think of their attitudes about voting. I really don't think people possibly reading DU and finding (oh, what a shock!) that other people have a low opinion of their potential choices to, say, sit out the next election, or vote for Jill Stein or Snoopy as a protest.

We are facing an existential crisis for our democracy. Voting for Biden is THE best and strongest way to save our democracy. I really don't give a fuck how personally betrayed by Biden someone might feel now. Any choice other than voting for Biden is stupid and/or selfish.

Unless we're doing campaign ads or personally coaxing undecided voters, there's nothing at all to be gained by sugar-coating what we say here on DU.

[KPN]

14. Almost everything you said sort of goes without saying,

so why say it? Seems purposeless.

[Silent3]

15. Because the poster to whom I replied, unless I read her incorrectly...

...seemed to be admonishing someone else for being blunt in their opinion about people choosing not to vote for Biden, as if kinder words were needed if we didn't want to drive people away from Biden.

[Ms. Toad]

23. Anytime we treat people who are feeling betrayed by Biden like trash we lose them.

Lose a few here, lose a few there, and pretty soon you lose the election.

[Silent3]

27. Please provide data to support this supposed effect...

...of generalized commentary about voting on actual voting.

[LeftInTX]

36. Biden has got to keep support of Jews. I know. I know. But, they can be swing voters.

They also have very high turnout. They will vote. 63% thought Trump was good for Israel.

I belong to a Texas Democratic Jewish Caucus Facebook group. It's night and day.

The young Dems are anti-war and cease-fire now.

I logged on to the Jewish group and they are not commenting about the TDP Ceasefire Resolution.

It was originally written by the Young Dems, but then a Jewish member of the State Executive Committee negotiated changes to it to make sure it addressed Israel, anti-semitism, the hostages etc etc etc.

I think the TDP Ceasefire Resolution is a great resolution. However, others don't. Some on the left don't feel it is strong enough. Blue dogs and Jews don't seem too pleased with it.

The country is extremely polarized over this war.

ETA: I think if one is Jewish, they feel they "know the people" who were attacked in Oct 7th. They realize once again, that the Jewish community is still a small community. Of course, for the Palestinians it is heartbreaking. I'm sure many have lost friends and family. I see the bombardments and I can't imagine. I think it's worse than Vietnam.
In real life, the Jews of Southern Israel and Palestinians of Gaza are literally next door neighbors, yet they are worlds apart. Additionally, there seems to be no end in sight to Israeli-Palestinian issue. There also seems no end in sight to this war. (I keep checking Google News) Even after the war, then what?

[Cha]

44. Rec.. If they can't see that Pres Biden is the

Best Choice to Save our Democracy then How would anyone convince them otherwise?

[treestar]

7. are they numerous enough to be a problem anyway

letting aside their irrational attitude.
1.1% of the US population. I have looked that up many times to argue to Republicans they were stupid to worry about sharia law.

[PortTack]

10. Thank you for pointing this out! WAY too many times these kinds of stories are posted without any stats

That put them in perspective.

I might add, it wouldn’t matter what President Biden did or didn’t say regarding the Middle East, someone is going to be unhappy. It’s a fucking mess. And, I would say to those who are talking about not voting for President Biden…nose meet face. We don’t always get everything we want!

[Ms. Toad]

21. So because they are a minority it's OK to ignore their pain and feelings of betrayal? n/t

[treestar]

32. I guess so I mean in an electoral level

We have to win. Not be counselors. Seek treatment. How can the feel betrayed ? When did Biden specifically promise he would be radically different from the rest os the US in its support of. Israel ?

[Trueblue1968]

11. Then i think those students are creeps.

[Ms. Toad]

20. And how would your feel if your homeland was being bombed into oblivion,

and your family members were being injured and killed?

I suspect you would be more than a little angry that the government in your new country was supplying the weapons that caused such of destruction and the president you voted for, and (in at least one instance) actively supported was giving at least implicit blessing for that destruction?

[JustAnotherGen]

30. AMERICA is their homeland

If they can vote, then they are citizens. This is where they live and could potentially lose the right to disagree with the President.

They stand on the shoulders of Civil Rights activist Giants.

Shame on them. My grandmother couldn't vote and LIVE until 1964. She was born here, raised here, paid taxes here . . . and she couldn't vote until she was 65 years of age.

My grandfather voted - but he went with a gun.

They paid the way of MANY freedom riders, SNCC, NAACP, etc etc.

I'm the party base - black woman. Do they realize this country forcibly sterilized us once they gave us access to the public hospitals we paid for for decades - but couldn't use? We are continuously slapped in the face by America - yet we show up for marginalized people every election.

Shame on them.

[yardwork]

41. Thank you. Nobody has been "betrayed" by President Biden.

President Biden didn't start this war. It's not up to him to suddenly yank away military support from Israel. Even if it were possible, it would be a terrible idea. Our only ally in the middle east would be annihilated. People who throw around words like "genocide" would get to see what it really means.

I agree with you: shame on anybody who shows so little sense or discretion that they would consider not voting for Biden. And shame on anyone who enables that thinking.

[Cha]

46. Exacdtly.. Pres Biden did NOT "Betray" them..

so how does one deal with anyone that takes it out on our Democracy by Not for Pres Biden?

[yardwork]

42. I also want to add that Black women have saved this country over and over.

I'm a white woman and I know full well that if not for Black women, in particular, showing up to vote in 2020, Trump would have been reelected.

Black women don't sit home and whine that they've been "betrayed." Black women get out the vote and volunteer at the polls and they vote Democratic.

[treestar]

33. How do American Jews feel about

What happened Oct 7? Somebody is going to be mad.

[JI7]

12. What do they think of the oct 7th attacks and Hamas saying they will do it again ?

[Ms. Toad]

19. They are Palestinian, not supporters of Hamas.

The two are not synonyous. It is Israel - under Netanyahu's leadership - not Hamas, that is bombing their families - using weapons supplied by the US.

[JI7]

24. Hamas is in charge of Gaza . They attacked Israel from there. There are hostages being held there .

[Ms. Toad]

25. That doesn't change the fact that it is Netanyahu who chose to bomb Gaza,

and millions of innocent Palestinians - or that Biden is supporting him in that choice - and facilitating it by sending weapons..

Neither Israel nor Netanyahu is not a puppet of Hamas - they make their own choices, and one of those is to kill more than ten thousand innocent Palestinians.

[JI7]

26. This indicates support for Hamas

If they can go after Biden why are they unable to see the fault with HAmas carrying out fucked up attacks and saying they will do it again ?

[Think. Again.]

29. Your response seems to be...

...a classic example of the rightwing rhetoric intended to divide the leftwing.

Critique of rightwing netanyahu's actions does NOT indicate support for hamas. Why are you assuming anyone is "unable to see the fault with HAmas carrying out fucked up attacks and saying they will do it again ?" when that topic isn't even addressed in the post you responded to?

I can only only speak for myself, but I detest hamas' attacks and absolutely believe hamas must be completely obliterated forever. I also absolutely believe that netanyahu's military actions have been wrong by disregarding the lives of non-hamas Gazan civilians and could be much more effectively and humanely carried out.

Those two positions are not contridictory.

[treestar]

34. No but they should be much madder at hamas or

Even Netanyahu before they start on Biden.

[Think. Again.]

35. I guess they're...

...trying to target their efforts toward the only player in this that they might have effect on.

I personally believe they are wrong. The Biden administration has made numerous statements about it's concerns over netanyahu's heavy-handed actions, but as constituents of Biden, and not of hamas or netanyahu, they are making their voices heard to him.

[TheKentuckian]

47. There is no plausible leader of any country

that would not go to war in the same circumstances.

Stop the cap.

[yardwork]

40. It's unfortunate that they've fallen for Russian propaganda.

Biden is handling a no-win situation very well.

I wish people would show more discretion.

[Ms. Toad]

43. They haven't.

They each have direct connections to their homeland, with loved ones still there in constant danger of their property or lives being destroyed by weapons supplied to Israel by the US.

Disagreement with your opinion that Biden is handling the situation well doesn't mean they have fallen for Russian propaganda.

[yardwork]

45. Perhaps they should renounce U.S. citizenship and return to their homeland, in that case.

Perhaps the United States isn't really where they want to be, if they so dislike our Democratic president and are considering voting for Trump.

[AllaN01Bear]

2. snork.

[Stinky The Clown]

4. I'm shocked!

NOT

[usonian]

6. How about the mind-blowingly obvious fact

that Muslims would be likely deported or rounded up in prison camps by the GOP.

Being female has already been criminalized in several maga states, and being black makes one a suspect. Never mind being Jewish.

Anyone not pasty white MALE Qristian nazionalist otta be voting Democratic to save their own necks.

[betsuni]

8. The Script: "Send a message ... take our vote for granted ... we have to teach the Democrats a lesson ...

... what the American people want."

Morals. Lies about President Obama being immoral because of drones. In 2016 lie that the Democratic nominee was immoral -- some nonsense about corruption because Democratic voters donated money to the campaign. 2024, the lie that the Democratic nominee is immoral because of genocide.

[JustAnotherGen]

39. It is so obvious

[jmbar2]

9. Thanks for posting

The more these sources of disinfo get exposed, the better.

Many malign entities seek to divide us and destroy western democracies. They are good at turning our discontent against us.

[Warpy]

16. Never mind that Muslims are going to be the first

on Motherfucker's deportation list.

They're not a big enough voting bloc to send anyone a message, especially since they have most often claiming to vote GOP>

Still, I'm not nearly as offended by these empty scare stories as these two bozos would want. Scare stories about morons voting TFG back in are great. They tell the rest of us that every single vote out there must be cast.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

17. The video makes a good point about the MSM

It's not so much that they're biased one way or the other but that many of them are lazy. One needs to dig deep to find the backstory. Otherwise many media are simply stenographers.

[Cha]

18. Pro-Hamas event "will not go forward" at Columbia University's School of Social Work

Link to tweet

Cross Posted..


https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=edit&forum=1002&thread=18502305&pid=18502604

TY.. Seems relevant

[vercetti2021]

22. Honestly the jewish vote is more important

Jewish voters are very democratic. Muslims are not a huge bloc and those who are democratic are gonna vote for Joe. Remember Muslims are likely to be more conservative voting due to the rights stance on being anti LGBTQ. Like how religious Latinos are for abortion.

[LeftInTX]

37. Jews can also be swing voters/moderates/independents. One thing for sure: Very high turnout!

They are more or less supporting the war based on their support of Israel.

I think Muslims will more likely stay home if they don't like the candidates. Jews will vote whether or not they like the candidates.

[Think. Again.]

28. The premise that Biden completely supports netanyahu's actions is false...

The Biden administration has made numerous statements regarding the overeach of the IDF's activities and has strongly warned against netanyahu's disregard for non-hamas civilian Palestinian lives.

Vice President Harris herself made clear statements at COP28 this week to that affect, and other Biden administration officials have done the same with little attention from the corporate media.

Obviously, it is the rightwing who is taking advantage of all this to both support "ultra-rightwing netanyahu" (Hillary Clinton's words) and to erode leftwing support for Biden.

[FloridaBlues]

31. Thanks for posting the his video.

[mopinko]

38. great job. i've been howling into the void about tracking down this obvious astroturf.

and i’m not a bit surprised.

[iemanja]

48. A Muslim I know told me he wasn't going to vote for Biden

So it's not all astroturfing.