At least 30 killed in airstrike on school in southern Gaza, hospital says

[David__77]

Dozens of people were killed or wounded in an Israeli airstrike that allegedly targeted a school housing displaced families in the city of Khan Yunis in the southern Gaza Strip on Tuesday morning, according to local medical staff.

A spokesperson for Nasser Hospital in Khan Yunis told ABC News that it had received scores of patients from the scene, including 30 who had died and dozens who were injured.

There was no immediate comment from the Israel Defense Forces.

The strike came on the heels of the IDF's announcement that it would be expanding its offensive on Gaza's militant rulers, Hamas, across the entire strip. The IDF alleges that Hamas uses civilian infrastructure in Gaza, including schools, for military activities -- claims which Hamas denies.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/live-updates/israel-gaza-hamas/at-least-30-killed-in-airstrike-on-school-in-southern-gaza-hospital-says-105380912?id=105348620

[lapucelle]

1. If only Hamas had not broken the cease fire on November 30.

Billionaire terrorists roosting in Qatar don't care how many Gazans die.

[David__77]

3. One could say the same thing if Israel nuked Gaza.

[lapucelle]

18. Please don't presume to tell me what I would or wouldn't say. N/T

[David__77]

22. I said "could" not "would".

I’d make no such presumption.

Regardless I edited to say “one”.

[Sal_NV]

2. Claims which HAMAS denies?

Is this a freaking joke?
Believing anything HAMAS says is like believing anything D. Trump says.

[malaise]

17. Or Bibi

That is all

[Sal_NV]

19. This isn't about bibi.

That is all.

[malaise]

20. Actually it is n/t

[Sal_NV]

21. Actually, my post wasn't,

it was about believing anything HAMAS has to say.

[GuppyGal]

26. Right and Malaise was responding back to you equating Bibi with Hamas. nt

[tritsofme]

4. Hamas is responsible for this, they broke the ceasefire.

[David__77]

5. Yes the old "see, look what you made me do - you made me kill an interdeterminate number of thousands of babies".

I don’t think Israel’s response is justified. Obviously people disagree on this.

[GuppyGal]

7. LOL the babies, you didn't even respond to all the videos I showed you of the 'babies' preparing for war.

[David__77]

10. They were babies "preparing for war?"

Not familiar with that.

[GuppyGal]

25. Well I linked you 4 videos going back DECADES

[Marcus IM]

54. I saw them. Reminded me of MiamiCuban exiles training their kids to kill commies.

Y'know, Those dedicated RW and violent freedumb fighters embraced by America for their love of democracy, and hatred of socialism (living their section 8 housing).

Alpha Males

Hustling down a dirt road surrounded by miles of farmland, Leslie Fernandez struggles to keep a rifle balanced on her shoulder. Dressed in bell-bottom jeans and a white T-shirt, she catches up with her fellow commandos -- five men dressed in military fatigues and also toting weapons.
"What kind of gun is this?" she asks Jesus Hoyos, who is leading the team.
"That's an M-1," Hoyos explains curtly. He's cradling a semiautomatic Bushmaster AR-15.

The group stops and huddles. "This is the rally point," Hoyos tells them. He reviews the plan: Leslie will remain behind to guard the backpacks under cover of darkness while the men sneak into a Cuban military base and shoot at two MiGs parked in a large grassy field. "Let's go," Hoyos says quietly.

Leslie watches the men creep down the edge of the road -- two in front, three behind -- then disappear through an open metal gate surrounding a small military camp. Moments later machine guns pop. They pop again, faster. "Retreat! Retreat!" Hoyos shouts. The commandos pull back, turning and firing as they go. They scurry down the road and regroup, breathless, at the rally point, where Leslie has been patiently waiting. "Okay, enemy troops have the beach blocked," Hoyos pants. "Contingency plan A -- the helicopter -- was shot down. So we have to walk five miles to a point where they're going to pick us up at 0600."

But there are no enemy soldiers, no MiGs in the field. Only stacks of old tires. The bullets are blanks. It is not night, but Sunday morning. And Leslie is no companera; she's an eleven-year-old who has never been to Cuba and scarcely speaks Spanish. Her father Mario, one of the fighters, left the island during the Mariel boatlift in 1980. Though Leslie thinks she would be willing to join a raid on Cuba when she gets older, she's still a bit uncertain about logistics -- like how she would get there. "I have no idea," she shrugs. "Maybe by boat." But she does have a firm grasp of the objective. "Fidel Castro shouldn't be there, treating those people like he does. He's just really bad to them," she declares. She learned to shoot semiautomatic weapons earlier this year.

Then the thoughtful, articulate sixth-grader at Miami Lakes Middle School confesses the real reason she attends the Sunday training sessions: "I really don't have anything to do at home, so I decided to come here to learn about Cuba and how they train and stuff."

Welcome to Rumbo Sur -- a secluded South Dade training camp belonging to Miami's best-known anti-Castro militia, Alpha 66. The group's secretary general, 78-year-old Andres Nazario Sargen, says Leslie is far too young to go on a real commando raid. But in the next few months he plans to recruit about twenty new troops in their late teens and early twenties. Is he worried about sending members on dangerous, perhaps even suicidal, operations to Cuba? "I'm in a constant state of concern for the life of any person who goes on a mission," the bantam-size but ferocious leader confides, looking out over the shooting range.

More ...

https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/alpha-males-6359755

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[tritsofme]

8. Oh, did someone at Hamas wake up today and decide that was the new number?

[claudette]

30. A representative from

Doctors Without Borders was just on MSNBC and was pleading for the world to do something to help the sick and dying in Gaza. Wounds not properly cared for cause infections and death, lack of food and water cause deaths.

Hamas isn't doing that to those victims.

Edit: Adding that when asked by Jose Diaz Bellart why Hamas uses hospitals to shelter Hamas, she emphatically said "that is not true." Even Richard Engle, this morning, said that the Arab nations believe (as many others do) that Israel is calling for the evacuation of millions of Palestinians (who have nowhere else to go) so that they empty out the land and take over. The rest of the world sits by and does nothing.

[tritsofme]

34. Not sure how this is related to lies about casualty counts

But yes, Hamas is absolutely responsible for that suffering.

They started the war and broke the ceasefire.

They steal humanitarian aid and use it for their war effort.

They could end the conflict today, but would rather see Palestinians suffer more, because that is their purpose.

[Oopsie Daisy]

37. Blame Hamas. They broke the ceasefire. What is Hamas doing to improve the situation?

They're just making matters worse and worse. Why doesn't Hamas care about (or for) the sick and dying?

[Lonestarblue]

42. The IDF insisted that Palestinians should move to the south, and thousands did.

The south is also where food, water, and medicine have been coming in from Egypt. The IDF then bombed much of the north to smithereens, including homes, schools, and hospitals. Some may praise Israel for telling the Palestinians to leave the south of Gaza, but the IDF knows quite well that they have no place to go. There is little food, water, medical care, or even homes in the north to go back to. So now that they’ve crowded hundreds of thousands of people into southern Gaza with no place to escape, they just keep bombing them. And, no, it is not Egypt’s responsibility to allow a million Palestinians into their country because they know that Israel would never allow them back into Gaza.

When will Israel stop their killing? Is 50,000 civilians enough? 100,000? 1,000,000? And at the end of all that killing, the Hamas leaders will still be alive and in another country. This war is no longer about rooting out the Hamas terrorists. It is about erasing Gaza infrastructure and decimating its economy so no one can live there. It is about erasing Palestinians.

[tritsofme]

47. There was a ceasefire in place, Hamas decided to break it.

Everything that’s happening is the choice of Hamas.

[Sal_NV]

9. 10,000 babies?

Got a link to that claim?
I sure haven't seen anyone, maybe other than HAMAS and their propaganda arm, report that.
It doesn't help your case when you wildly exaggerate.

[David__77]

11. How many thousand babies is enough or too many babies?

[Sal_NV]

14. Do you have a link to your claim of 10,000 babies being killed?

The only ones that would be saying that are HAMAS and their propaganda arm.
I'll say it again, it doesn't help your case when you wildly exaggerate.

[tritsofme]

15. Some folks are like, gee whiz, just because I uncritically regurgitate Hamas propaganda

And take their side on every issue, how dare anyone insinuate I am a Hamas sympathizer!

Absolutely no one here of course…but seems to be quite prevalent elsewhere.

[TheRealNorth]

44. Who is making the claim about 10,000 babies being killed?

What post #?

[tritsofme]

48. It has since been edited.

[Sal_NV]

16. By the way,

your deflection is noted.

[sarisataka]

12. "see, look what you made me do"

Would you say the same about the planned murder of 1000+ civilians and the rape of yet uncounted numbers of women and children?

Or was the different?

[GuppyGal]

27. I guess Hamas didn't kill enough Israeli's to 'justify' this response. nt

[sarisataka]

39. As Hamas said, "Everything we do is justified "

Therefore their defenders see nothing wrong in Hamas acts of "resistance".

Besides, most of those victims on October 7 were...
Well we don't need to say it out loud do we

[The Magistrate]

24. Which Is, Sir, The Position Of Hamas et al In A Nutshell

"We're victims. Whatever we do is justified."

If it works for one it works for all; it can't work for one and not the other.

The questions to answer before resorting to violence have little to do with right or wrong, or justice. We may presume anyone contemplating violence will feel both right and justified in doing so. The questions are first, have you the capacity to gain what you seek by violence, and second, is your goal one which violence can obtain for you. If one's goal is an independent state of Arab Palestine, at present, and for quite some time, the answer to both questions is no. If one has some other goal than that, it should be acknowledged. Resort to violence has only straitened the condition of the people of Arab Palestine, and that is all it can achieve.

[claudette]

28. Question

Who is dropping the bombs?

[tritsofme]

29. If Hamas did not choose to break the ceasefire, there would be no bombs.

[claudette]

32. That is not a reason

to kill thousands of innocents who did nothing wrong. Blaming the victims is not the answer.

[tritsofme]

36. Hamas is the only party I've blamed. Interesting that you seem to identify them as the victim.

[Oopsie Daisy]

40. Oh good god. Amazing that anyone would ever believe or claim that Hamas is a victim.

Blame Hamas.

[Beastly Boy]

52. Did I justr hear someone mention blaming the victims?

Is this coming from someone who is blaming everything on the victims of naked aggression and genocidal ambitions coming from a fanatical terrorist regime?

That's hysterical!

[Sal_NV]

35. Question.

Who violated not one, but two ceasefires?
Question.
Who put those citizens of Gaza in harms way?
Question.
Who uses the citizens of Gaza as human shields?
Question.
Who uses the civilian infrastructure as military assets to launch terror attacks against Israel?

[GuppyGal]

6. Just heard Richard Engel say that the Gazans are all behind Hamas in this....Hamas must go.

[David__77]

13. Do "the Gazans" also need to "go"?

[GuppyGal]

23. I'm sure the Arab street will come to their aid. nt

[David__77]

31. The term "street" is uniquely applied to Arab people and is potentially a stigmatizing generalization.

Of course, opinions will vary.

[GuppyGal]

33. Keep cherry picking and keep deflecting....it's all very obvious.

[brush]

51. I highly doubt Engel said all Gazans are behind Hamas. Pls provide a link.

And why are so many on this thread unable, or unwilling, to understand that innocent, non-combatant Palestinians are not the same as Hamas terrorists, and therefore, even though they were told to go south for safety by the IDF, their lives mean nothing and it's their fault their getting killed for going where they were told to go?

[Srkdqltr]

38. They both need to stop this. The longer it goes on the worse it gets.

Both have legitimate grievances that were never addressed at the time. Now there is so much horror on both sides I wonder if there is a solution.
Unless all this is Netanyahu and Putin trying to get Biden out and Trump in?
Noooo that would not happen?

[sarisataka]

41. IDF alleges that Hamas uses civilian infrastructure-claims which Hamas denies

Does anyone give an iota of credence to Hamas on this subject? After all of the evidence we have seen that is exactly what they do?

[LexVegas]

43. Hamas, the elected government of Gaza, must be held accountable! nt

[David__77]

45. Many children are also being "held accountable".

[LexVegas]

46. That is the fault of Hamas, the elected government of Gaza. nt

[claudette]

49. And

If Hamas is being held responsible because they were elected in Gaza, then the same would apply to the government voted in by Israelis being responsible for all the deaths of innocent children. I still don’t know why nothing can be done about it. We are supplying the weapons that are killing these innocent Palestinians. Why?

[tritsofme]

50. Hamas is being held responsible because they chose to start the war, and then chose the break the ceasefire.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

53. No Israeli is pushing Palestinian children in front of bullets to die for a cause. Only Hamas and their allies do.

And the overeager antisemitic supporters of Hamas on the internet will gleefully spread their Nazi "Final Solution" propaganda whenever and wherever they can under the guise of "Innocent Palestinians".

"The taking of hostages is prohibited". Geneva Convention. It's a full-stop article; Palestine opened this conflict by breaking a ceasefire with a war crime of genocidal proportions. Extermination is the only option for Hamas.

No rest. No respite.

[claudette]

55. Ok

Whatever you want to believe. I don’t support Hamas. I support the Palestinians who are suffering. Bye

[Sal_NV]

56. You mean those same Palestinians that cheered and danced in the streets

when HAMAS terrorists paraded hostages, dead and alive, down Gaza streets?
Those Palestinians that cheered the terrorist attack on Israel, killing over 1000 innocent Israeli citizens?
Those same Palestinians that cheered HAMAS kidnapping over 240 Israeli and foreign citizens?
Those same Palestinians that cheered the rape and murder of innocent Israeli citizens?
Those same "innocent" Palestinians?

You've been very transparent here.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

57. Re. Transparency: Nazis often are entirely translucent.

They, like MAGATs and cockroaches, feel the need to openly broadcast to the rest of their deplorable horde so they don't feel alone in their rank inferiority complexes and racist views.