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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsDemocratic votes against HRes 894 (strongly condemning and denouncing the drastic rise of antisemitism in the US)
Bowman (NY)
Bush (MO)
Connolly (VA)
García (IL)
Grijalva (AZ)
Jayapal (WA)
Lee (PA)
Ocasio-Cortez (NY)
Omar (MN)
Pressley (MA)
Ramirez (IL)
Tlaib (MI)
Watson Coleman (NJ)
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Ocelot II
(117,870 posts)They can have her, though...
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jpak
(41,780 posts)?
LiberalFighter
(52,726 posts)I don't support Bibi. But it is ridiculous for anyone to be anti-Semitic.
There are only about 15.2 million which consists of only .02% of the world.
Israel has the most with 6,983,000 while the U.S has 6 million out of 332 million. Or 0.018% of the U.S. What are anti-Semitics afraid of?
I would also like to add that so called Christians should be worried. What happens if "Jesus" doesn't support the Christians considering he was a Jew? Maybe only the Jewish people will be "saved"?
David__77
(23,827 posts)LeftInTX
(27,748 posts)A few voted Yea ( I recognize a local blue dog), but the Dem caucus agreed to vote Present.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,931 posts)LexVegas
(6,261 posts)WhiskeyGrinder
(22,931 posts)NutmegYankee
(16,268 posts)Zionism is nationalism, which virtually every ethnic group on earth adheres to.
Silent3
(15,909 posts)...but they are not one in the same thing.
I certainly understand and approve of the idea of Israel as a way for Jews to combat the long, ugly history of antisemitism, and have a safe homeland for themselves.
I don't, however, give two shits about anyone's religious arguments about how God supposedly decreed a piece of land to anyone.
And I certainly don't like the way anti-antisemitism and support for Israel too often get blurred with unconditional support for the policies of the Israeli government.
sarisataka
(19,689 posts)As "Israel has no right to exist"?
That is how I take it and would say it is antisemitic to say Jews have no right to their own country.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,931 posts)of the federal government? Because theyre not embracing what is truly an antisemitic trope (dual loyalty)?
sarisataka
(19,689 posts)The fallacy I see is the claim of dual loyalty. If an American Jewish person has no loyalty to Israel, that is fine. Jews are no more a monolith than any other group.
However for that American Jew to profess to Israeli Jews they have no right to their own country would be, ironically, antisemitic. An American Jewish person has no right to tell an Israeli Jewish person what they have a "right" to believe. Of course being in a country with freedom of speech, I do not think they should face punishment for expressing that opinion peacefully.
And just to be consistent, I would also say the same if an American Palestinian were to say Palestinians in the Middle East have no right to desire their own homeland.
OilemFirchen
(7,143 posts)Are you missing a puppy?
LeftInTX
(27,748 posts)It's a GOP thing "I, as a member of the House of Representatives, Stand with Israel". That's what the Yea vote means. About 20 Democrats also voted Yea. Most Democrats voted Present.
maxrandb
(15,658 posts)were described by the titular head and Orange Jesus of the Retrumplican Party as "very fine people".
Retrumplican supporters of Ron Desantis march in Nazi regalia, without so much as a sternly written letter of denouncement from the GQP.
Retrumplican Party supporters carried Confederate Flags during a violent coup attempt.
The Retrumplican Party's #1 rated propaganda purveyor, with an audience that at one time was upwards of 10M, actually said; "Jews must be perfected" (ask your Rabbi, Priest, or Minister what that means)
BUT, despite all that,it's the Democratic Party that's is "racist" because they don't want to go on record supporting the idea that some invisible sky wizard came down from a cloud one day with survey tools and proclaimed 'the land inside these boundaries I bestow to you, and you alone'"????
Give me a break!
I guess MTG is not a racist, anti-semitic asshat tilting at "Jewish Space Lasers" because she voted yea.
Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.
TheRealNorth
(9,619 posts)It means different things to different people.
For right-wingers and probably most of the Lefties that would describe themselves as anti-zionists, Zionism implies a religious/Biblical right to all of Judea, and would in essence would be a rejection of the two-state solution and to a Palestinian homeland in the West Bank.
The language was probably intentionally written by Republicans to divide Democrats. I think that most Democrats would have signed it if it denounced antisemitism and affirmed the right of Israel to exist as a country instead of using the Zionism language.
sarisataka
(19,689 posts)But agree the "Zionism" language was probably intended to be decisive. It has different meanings to different people and is occasionally used erroneously as a synonym for Judaism, Jews, Jewish etc.
LeftInTX
(27,748 posts)Seriously, I've seen it. Israel is more important than the US to some of those loons. It's probably a religious-right thing.
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Nanjeanne
(5,130 posts)PufPuf23
(8,991 posts)Some were terrorists like Begin and Irgun that morphed into IDF and gamed Israel like the GOP and MAGA gamed the USA.
TO THE EDITORS OF NEW YORK TIMES:
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the "Freedom Party" (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
The current visit of Menachem Begin, leader of this party, to the United States is obviously calculated to give the impression of American support for his party in the coming Israeli elections, and to cement political ties with conservative Zionist elements in the United States. Several Americans of national repute have lent their names to welcome his visit. It is inconceivable that those who oppose fascism throughout the world, if correctly informed as to Mr. Begin's political record and perspectives, could add their names and support to the movement he represents.
rest of letter, a long list of signatories, and photocopy of newspaper at:
https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948/page/n1/mode/2up
tritsofme
(17,890 posts)David__77
(23,827 posts)TheKentuckian
(25,375 posts)Solidarity?
Not for Jews, Tiktok morons and the crusaders for the Caliphate would be mad so look at the undercarriage of the bus.
tritsofme
(17,890 posts)LeftInTX
(27,748 posts)]Most Democrats voted Present. They knew it would pass, but didn't agree with the anti-zionism part of the bill. Republicans voted Yea. I recognize a few blue dogs with Yeas. Most of CT, FL, MA delegation voted Yea, so I assume Jewish areas.
Eshoo Yea (kinda surprised, since she's Armenian and Assyrian)
Allred Yea (not surprised )
Gallego Yea (not surprised)
It's a non-binding statement. It's political because it's a GOP bill to see if you equated anti-zionism with anti-Semitism. So if you vote No, that means you're an anti-Semitist. If you vote Yes, it means that feel people who criticize Israel are anti-Semitic. So most just voted Present
B.See
(2,226 posts)I believe in the right of Israel to exist. I believe in the right of Palestine to exist.
I believe both sides have been guilty of war crimes.
I believe in a peaceful resolution.
I also believe that there are extremists on both sides of the aisle, in Israel and in Palestine, who don't want peace, and never wanted it.
I believe both of these factions use their OWN people as pawns in this power play.
LeftInTX
(27,748 posts)PufPuf23
(8,991 posts)Democratic vote 95 yeas 13 nays 92 present 13 not voting
Means that 105 voters voted but were not "Yeas".
My conclusion is that a majority of Democratic reps found reason(s) not to cast a "Yea" vote for good reason.
But look, the GOP was nearly unanimous yeas.
Republican vote 216 yeas 1 nay 0 present 4 not voting
https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2023697
But the 13 No's are what gets better discussion.
Polybius
(16,533 posts)You're better than that bunch.
DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)the rise of anti-muslim feelings in the United States??
I would be 100% behind that one...