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New reporting by the Washington Post appears to confirm that several premature babies were left to die in a Gaza hospital after Israeli forces ordered the building evacuated, and promised ambulances never arrived.
The new report comes in the wake of a horrifying video that appears to show the babies decaying corpses, swaddled in soiled diapers and partially eaten by stray dogs. The Post confirmed the authenticity of that footage by speaking with medical staff from the hospital and compared the footage with photographs of the same ward at the al-Nasr hospital in Gaza City.
Two doctors at al-Nasr told the Post that they had asked the Israeli Defense Forces and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to evacuate the premature babies, all of whom were connected to respirators and other monitors and could not be easily moved.
A tape of the conversation, obtained by the Post, reveals a senior official of the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, an arm of Israels defense ministry, telling a doctor who requested the ambulances: No problem, and said he would arrange coordination for the transfer, the Post reported.
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https://themessenger.com/news/gaza-hospital-premature-babies-evacuation-died-ambulance
Beakybird
(3,397 posts)obamanut2012
(29,436 posts)Turbineguy
(40,132 posts)seeing as how Hamas couldn't be bothered to do so.
womanofthehills
(10,998 posts)Then the IDF delivered an ultimatum, al-Nasr director Bakr Qaoud told The Washington Post: Get out or be bombarded. An Israeli official, meanwhile, provided an assurance that ambulances would be arranged to retrieve the patients.
The nurse, a Palestinian man who works with Paris-based Doctors Without Borders, saw no choice. He assessed his charges and picked up the strongest one the baby he thought likeliest to bear a temporary cut to his oxygen supply. He left the other four on their breathing machines, reluctantly, and with his wife, their children and the one baby, headed south. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-gaza-hospital-evacguated-four-fragile-lives-and-a-grim-discovery/ar-AA1kUtXS
I remember reading that the nurse was able to get the baby to another hospital-
Alpeduez21
(2,062 posts)A civilized nation. Killing innocent Palestinians is considered ok by far too many people. Not even giving the briefest scintilla of a hint of a whisper that Israel doesnt have the right to defend itself from Hamas. If I were targeting specific people I think I would use something other than US provided cluster bombs dropped on densely populated neighborhoods
sarisataka
(22,716 posts)To not make blatantly false accusations, e.g.
Alpeduez21
(2,062 posts)I know it seems terrible but it still happened.
I may have misidentified the types of US provided weapon used to commit war crimes but the point still stands. Apologies
emulatorloo
(46,155 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,800 posts)Goddessartist
(2,176 posts)What a 'civilized' nation.
Big Blue Marble
(5,702 posts)Either way, 1000's died.
boston bean
(36,945 posts)Because many babies were transferred.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)The colonel did not put down the phone and in his best 'Dr. Evil' declaim 'And they'll wait for them forever! Bwa-ha-ha....'
As the sort of fuck up endemic to the conduct of war, it rings true enough.
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LeftInTX
(34,559 posts)Especially that particular hospital.
Israel told everyone to evacuate and they ran out.
womanofthehills
(10,998 posts)NBC - Abandoned babies found decomposing in Gaza hospital weeks after it was evacuated
Around Nov. 10, doctors, patients and hospital staff were forced to evacuate Al-Nasr as the Israeli military continued its ground invasion of northern Gaza and issued repeated evacuation calls to the hospital and others in the vicinity. Amid heavy gunfire and shelling, and as Israeli tanks encircled the hospital, staff concluded they could not safely evacuate five babies, several of whom were premature and placed on oxygen machines, said Dr. Mustafa Al-Kahlot, director of the hospital.
Our evacuation from Al-Nasr Hospital was very difficult and under fire, he told NBC News in a phone call on Wednesday. Children cannot be carried by hand or evacuated without oxygen equipment.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/abandoned-babies-found-decomposing-in-gaza-hospital-weeks-after-it-was-evacuated/ar-AA1kSYRL
Big Blue Marble
(5,702 posts)We knew the weeks ago when they were transferred. Even the ones who made it
to Egypt may not fully recover as they were without oxygen for days.
claudette
(5,455 posts)Those poor parents.
Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)I'll bet they weren't expecting this. Was it worth it to them?
tblue37
(68,445 posts)response so that sympathy for Israel's suffering on Oct. 7 would be undermined.
Hamas likes to turn innocents into martyrs for their cause.
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)I've never heard the PA quoted with such voracity in my life.
SoFlaBro
(3,800 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)People abandon the babies and then leave the bodies lying around to rot?
womanofthehills
(10,998 posts)CNN. -
Around Nov. 10, doctors, patients and hospital staff were forced to evacuate Al-Nasr as the Israeli military continued its ground invasion of northern Gaza and issued repeated evacuation calls to the hospital and others in the vicinity. Amid heavy gunfire and shelling, and as Israeli tanks encircled the hospital, staff concluded they could not safely evacuate five babies, several of whom were premature and placed on oxygen machines, said Dr. Mustafa Al-Kahlot, director of the hospital.
Our evacuation from Al-Nasr Hospital was very difficult and under fire, he told NBC News in a phone call on Wednesday. Children cannot be carried by hand or evacuated without oxygen equipment.https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/abandoned-babies-found-decomposing-in-gaza-hospital-weeks-after-it-was-evacuated/ar-AA1kSYRL
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)The hospital was never bombed.
And then they left the corpses to rot for the sake of a photo opportunity.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)If they had stayed and taken care of their patients doesn't make much sense to me.
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)womanofthehills
(10,998 posts)To get the babies, but they never did.
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)it's like a knee jerk reaction. Israel seems to never get the benefit of the doubt ...yet the death numbers being provided by Hamas certainly does.
onecaliberal
(36,594 posts)Infants! For fucks sake.
edisdead
(3,396 posts)Runningdawg
(4,664 posts)Hubby and 2 friends questioned their authenticity. However, let me point out that as a nurse, I have, unfortunately seen, dead babies and children mauled by dogs. They never have.
womanofthehills
(10,998 posts)Big Blue Marble
(5,702 posts)The journalist who filmed the remains of the children has been deeply traumatized.
Goddessartist
(2,176 posts)and Donkees posted it days ago, I believe, but of course the regulars who are denying it on this thread were denying it then.
I think of Nietzsche in these times:
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."
Friedrich Nietzsche
edisdead
(3,396 posts)Not saying this isnt a true story but the over dramatization and anti-biden/anti-democratic party lean to theor stuff gets a side eye from me.
LeftInTX
(34,559 posts)Golden jackals (coyote like dog)devoured my grown family members' bodies over night. This was during WWI.
NutmegYankee
(16,480 posts)Hamas would have just taken the ambulance crews hostage or raped and murdered them as well. Think people, think!
Warpy
(114,650 posts)who was likeliest to survive evacuated, especially the dedicated medical staff.
Triage can be heartbreaking.
NutmegYankee
(16,480 posts)It's easy to say we'll do this, but once others looked at the logistics, it wasn't possible. You're talking about potentially (likely) sending people on a suicide mission.
Warpy
(114,650 posts)and crawling with militants is a very bad idea. I still suspect they promised the staff everything in the hope they'd save themselves along with viable patients. Preemies in a war zone when there's no electricity for the machines keeping them warm, breathing and alive would not be a top priority, sad to say.
Like I said, triage is tough.
Big Blue Marble
(5,702 posts)The IDF was in control of that area of the strip. Stop deflecting; the IDF
left these babies to die.
NutmegYankee
(16,480 posts)but you think Israeli crews will enter an active war zone. When you come back to reality, give me a ring.
Big Blue Marble
(5,702 posts)You are forgetting the Israelis assured the medical staff they would send the ambulances.
They made a commitment and then reneged at the cost of the babies lives.
Some things just cannot be excused or rationalized.
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)The ambulances came?
Big Blue Marble
(5,702 posts)Read the whole article in The Washington Post before you attempt to defend the indefensible/
IronLionZion
(51,433 posts)because it probably isn't Hamas
GuppyGal
(1,748 posts)Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)Israel is giving them what they want. Why are they complaining now?
Xolodno
(7,361 posts)Problem #1: Hamas wants this to happen because its an effective recruiting, rallying, etc. tool.
Problem #2: Bibi has people in his government who also want this to happen because they look at the Palestinians as nothing more than...well, actually less than animals. Yemini, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. Jews are just a tad above Palestinians to them and genetic tests have shown Palestinians and Jews are related. But a Subotniki converted European with no lineage is better, can't make this stuff up.
uponit7771
(93,532 posts)... US aiding the bad guy to the young
LowerManhattanite
(2,433 posts)Nanjeanne
(6,618 posts)Goddessartist
(2,176 posts)Some of the comments here. The inhumanity is very heartbreaking.