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David__77

(24,840 posts)
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:10 PM Dec 2023

Israel Never Sent Ambulances to Save Premature Babies in Gaza Hospital: Report

New reporting by the Washington Post appears to confirm that several premature babies were left to die in a Gaza hospital after Israeli forces ordered the building evacuated, and promised ambulances never arrived.

The new report comes in the wake of a horrifying video that appears to show the babies’ decaying corpses, swaddled in soiled diapers and partially eaten by stray dogs. The Post confirmed the authenticity of that footage by speaking with medical staff from the hospital and compared the footage with photographs of the same ward at the al-Nasr hospital in Gaza City.

Two doctors at al-Nasr told the Post that they had asked the Israeli Defense Forces and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to evacuate the premature babies, all of whom were connected to respirators and other monitors and could not be easily moved.

A tape of the conversation, obtained by the Post, reveals a senior official of the Coordinator of Government Activities in the Territories, an arm of Israel’s defense ministry, telling a doctor who requested the ambulances: “No problem,” and said he would “arrange coordination” for the transfer, the Post reported.

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https://themessenger.com/news/gaza-hospital-premature-babies-evacuation-died-ambulance

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Israel Never Sent Ambulances to Save Premature Babies in Gaza Hospital: Report (Original Post) David__77 Dec 2023 OP
Heartbreaking and atrocious. Beakybird Dec 2023 #1
k & r obamanut2012 Dec 2023 #2
The Israelis should have rescued the babies, Turbineguy Dec 2023 #3
Sad story - nurse & his family took strongest baby womanofthehills Dec 2023 #31
This is a horrible legacy for what is reportedly Alpeduez21 Dec 2023 #4
It would give you more credibility sarisataka Dec 2023 #9
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/2/us-gives-bunker-buster-bombs-to-israel-for-war-on-gaza-report Alpeduez21 Dec 2023 #11
It isn't too late to edit your post and correct your misinformation. emulatorloo Dec 2023 #15
Don't back away now, cluster munitions are very different and the facts don't align with what you are alleging. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #34
And they're using white phosphorus. Goddessartist Dec 2023 #43
Then change it to bunker bombs. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #32
This doesn't ring true to me. boston bean Dec 2023 #5
As A Deliberate Act, No, It Does Not The Magistrate Dec 2023 #6
Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #8
Israel really hasn't helped with any of this LeftInTX Dec 2023 #20
This is a different hospital - Al-Nasr womanofthehills Dec 2023 #24
Yes, but not all. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #33
So sad claudette Dec 2023 #7
I wonder if Hamas is pleased with how things are going so far. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #10
I think they were expecting it, and in fact deliberately provoked an extreme tblue37 Dec 2023 #13
OMG they are utterly delighted that they have many in the west doing the dirty propaganda work for them. GuppyGal Dec 2023 #28
Hamas loves EVERY dead baby be it Israeli, Palestinian or otherwise. Fucking sick shit. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #35
If this is true then why did the hamas medical Tomconroy Dec 2023 #12
They could not get the babies out without oxygen equipment womanofthehills Dec 2023 #25
So they abandoned the babies. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #40
Stay and die with the babies leaving others uncared for? That makes no sense uponit7771 Dec 2023 #45
Your assumption that medical people would have died Tomconroy Dec 2023 #48
Excuse me but only Israel is responsible and accountable for anything and everything. GuppyGal Dec 2023 #29
They must think they can just do anything. LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #14
The Israeli soldiers said they would get an ambulance womanofthehills Dec 2023 #26
Perhaps a logistical roadblock interceded. I don't care for people assuming the worst of Israel right away... GuppyGal Dec 2023 #55
I can't believe there can be any justification. Can you people even fathom that these are human beings. onecaliberal Dec 2023 #16
You People? edisdead Dec 2023 #53
I saw the pictures and story on a questionable source a week ago. Runningdawg Dec 2023 #17
CNN reported on it womanofthehills Dec 2023 #27
Washington Post has verified the video. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #37
Democracy Now reported on it Goddessartist Dec 2023 #42
I take almost everything on Democracy Now with a grain of salt edisdead Dec 2023 #54
Dogs will eat carrion LeftInTX Dec 2023 #50
How can you send ambulances ahead of military forces? NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #18
Probably lied about the ambulances to get everybody Warpy Dec 2023 #21
I suspect it was someone high level who had no idea what it would take NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #22
Yeah, that too, sending ambulances into an area under bombardment Warpy Dec 2023 #23
Hamas was not around when the IDF occupied the hospital. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #36
US ambulance crews won't enter an active crime scene, NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #47
So clever you are. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #49
Shouldnt the medical staff have stayed to see if Tomconroy Dec 2023 #51
They were ordered to evacuate and assured that the babies would be cared for. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #52
Who is being punished here? IronLionZion Dec 2023 #19
It's a damn shame that scumbag Hamas put their own people in the middle and on the front line including babies. GuppyGal Dec 2023 #30
Hamas did this by design. It's what they wanted, apparently. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #41
Problem is, you have two problems that serve both agitators. Xolodno Dec 2023 #38
Yep, Bibi doesn't even want international help keep the peace and Russia/China gets to show the uponit7771 Dec 2023 #46
Not remotely shocked. LowerManhattanite Dec 2023 #39
Heartbreaking. The only thing sadder is some of the callous comments here. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #44
It is heartbreaking. As are Goddessartist Dec 2023 #56

Turbineguy

(40,132 posts)
3. The Israelis should have rescued the babies,
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:18 PM
Dec 2023

seeing as how Hamas couldn't be bothered to do so.

womanofthehills

(10,998 posts)
31. Sad story - nurse & his family took strongest baby
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 02:05 AM
Dec 2023

“Then the IDF delivered an ultimatum, al-Nasr director Bakr Qaoud told The Washington Post: Get out or be bombarded. An Israeli official, meanwhile, provided an assurance that ambulances would be arranged to retrieve the patients.

The nurse, a Palestinian man who works with Paris-based Doctors Without Borders, saw no choice. He assessed his charges and picked up the strongest one — the baby he thought likeliest to bear a temporary cut to his oxygen supply. He left the other four on their breathing machines, reluctantly, and with his wife, their children and the one baby, headed south.” https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-gaza-hospital-evacguated-four-fragile-lives-and-a-grim-discovery/ar-AA1kUtXS

I remember reading that the nurse was able to get the baby to another hospital-

Alpeduez21

(2,062 posts)
4. This is a horrible legacy for what is reportedly
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:18 PM
Dec 2023

A civilized nation. Killing innocent Palestinians is considered ok by far too many people. Not even giving the briefest scintilla of a hint of a whisper that Israel doesn’t have the right to defend itself from Hamas. If I were targeting specific people I think I would use something other than US provided cluster bombs dropped on densely populated neighborhoods

sarisataka

(22,716 posts)
9. It would give you more credibility
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:40 PM
Dec 2023

To not make blatantly false accusations, e.g.

US provided cluster bombs dropped on densely populated neighborhoods

Alpeduez21

(2,062 posts)
11. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/2/us-gives-bunker-buster-bombs-to-israel-for-war-on-gaza-report
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:43 PM
Dec 2023

I know it seems terrible but it still happened.

I may have misidentified the types of US provided weapon used to commit war crimes but the point still stands. Apologies

SoFlaBro

(3,800 posts)
34. Don't back away now, cluster munitions are very different and the facts don't align with what you are alleging.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 03:22 AM
Dec 2023

The Magistrate

(96,043 posts)
6. As A Deliberate Act, No, It Does Not
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:33 PM
Dec 2023

The colonel did not put down the phone and in his best 'Dr. Evil' declaim 'And they'll wait for them forever! Bwa-ha-ha....'

As the sort of fuck up endemic to the conduct of war, it rings true enough.

Response to boston bean (Reply #5)

LeftInTX

(34,559 posts)
20. Israel really hasn't helped with any of this
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 09:25 PM
Dec 2023

Especially that particular hospital.

Israel told everyone to evacuate and they ran out.

womanofthehills

(10,998 posts)
24. This is a different hospital - Al-Nasr
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 01:43 AM
Dec 2023

NBC - “Abandoned babies found decomposing in Gaza hospital weeks after it was evacuated”

“Around Nov. 10, doctors, patients and hospital staff were forced to evacuate Al-Nasr as the Israeli military continued its ground invasion of northern Gaza and issued repeated evacuation calls to the hospital and others in the vicinity. Amid heavy gunfire and shelling, and as Israeli tanks encircled the hospital, staff concluded they could not safely evacuate five babies, several of whom were premature and “placed on oxygen machines,” said Dr. Mustafa Al-Kahlot, director of the hospital.

“Our evacuation from Al-Nasr Hospital was very difficult and under fire,” he told NBC News in a phone call on Wednesday. “Children cannot be carried by hand or evacuated without oxygen equipment.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/abandoned-babies-found-decomposing-in-gaza-hospital-weeks-after-it-was-evacuated/ar-AA1kSYRL

Big Blue Marble

(5,702 posts)
33. Yes, but not all.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 03:20 AM
Dec 2023

We knew the weeks ago when they were transferred. Even the ones who made it
to Egypt may not fully recover as they were without oxygen for days.

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
10. I wonder if Hamas is pleased with how things are going so far.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:40 PM
Dec 2023

I'll bet they weren't expecting this. Was it worth it to them?

tblue37

(68,445 posts)
13. I think they were expecting it, and in fact deliberately provoked an extreme
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:59 PM
Dec 2023

response so that sympathy for Israel's suffering on Oct. 7 would be undermined.

Hamas likes to turn innocents into martyrs for their cause.

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
28. OMG they are utterly delighted that they have many in the west doing the dirty propaganda work for them.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 01:51 AM
Dec 2023

I've never heard the PA quoted with such voracity in my life.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
12. If this is true then why did the hamas medical
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 07:54 PM
Dec 2023

People abandon the babies and then leave the bodies lying around to rot?

womanofthehills

(10,998 posts)
25. They could not get the babies out without oxygen equipment
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 01:47 AM
Dec 2023

CNN. -

Around Nov. 10, doctors, patients and hospital staff were forced to evacuate Al-Nasr as the Israeli military continued its ground invasion of northern Gaza and issued repeated evacuation calls to the hospital and others in the vicinity. Amid heavy gunfire and shelling, and as Israeli tanks encircled the hospital, staff concluded they could not safely evacuate five babies, several of whom were premature and “placed on oxygen machines,” said Dr. Mustafa Al-Kahlot, director of the hospital.

“Our evacuation from Al-Nasr Hospital was very difficult and under fire,” he told NBC News in a phone call on Wednesday. “Children cannot be carried by hand or evacuated without oxygen equipment.”https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/abandoned-babies-found-decomposing-in-gaza-hospital-weeks-after-it-was-evacuated/ar-AA1kSYRL

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
40. So they abandoned the babies.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 07:17 AM
Dec 2023

The hospital was never bombed.
And then they left the corpses to rot for the sake of a photo opportunity.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
48. Your assumption that medical people would have died
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 11:56 AM
Dec 2023

If they had stayed and taken care of their patients doesn't make much sense to me.

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
55. Perhaps a logistical roadblock interceded. I don't care for people assuming the worst of Israel right away...
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 02:49 PM
Dec 2023

it's like a knee jerk reaction. Israel seems to never get the benefit of the doubt ...yet the death numbers being provided by Hamas certainly does.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
16. I can't believe there can be any justification. Can you people even fathom that these are human beings.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 09:17 PM
Dec 2023

Infants! For fucks sake.

Runningdawg

(4,664 posts)
17. I saw the pictures and story on a questionable source a week ago.
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 09:21 PM
Dec 2023

Hubby and 2 friends questioned their authenticity. However, let me point out that as a nurse, I have, unfortunately seen, dead babies and children mauled by dogs. They never have.

Big Blue Marble

(5,702 posts)
37. Washington Post has verified the video.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 03:38 AM
Dec 2023

The journalist who filmed the remains of the children has been deeply traumatized.

Goddessartist

(2,176 posts)
42. Democracy Now reported on it
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 08:57 AM
Dec 2023

and Donkees posted it days ago, I believe, but of course the regulars who are denying it on this thread were denying it then.

I think of Nietzsche in these times:

"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you."

Friedrich Nietzsche

edisdead

(3,396 posts)
54. I take almost everything on Democracy Now with a grain of salt
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 02:41 PM
Dec 2023

Not saying this isn’t a true story but the over dramatization and anti-biden/anti-democratic party lean to theor stuff gets a side eye from me.

LeftInTX

(34,559 posts)
50. Dogs will eat carrion
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 02:20 PM
Dec 2023

Golden jackals (coyote like dog)devoured my grown family members' bodies over night. This was during WWI.

NutmegYankee

(16,480 posts)
18. How can you send ambulances ahead of military forces?
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 09:24 PM
Dec 2023

Hamas would have just taken the ambulance crews hostage or raped and murdered them as well. Think people, think!

Warpy

(114,650 posts)
21. Probably lied about the ambulances to get everybody
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 09:39 PM
Dec 2023

who was likeliest to survive evacuated, especially the dedicated medical staff.

Triage can be heartbreaking.

NutmegYankee

(16,480 posts)
22. I suspect it was someone high level who had no idea what it would take
Tue Dec 5, 2023, 09:46 PM
Dec 2023

It's easy to say we'll do this, but once others looked at the logistics, it wasn't possible. You're talking about potentially (likely) sending people on a suicide mission.

Warpy

(114,650 posts)
23. Yeah, that too, sending ambulances into an area under bombardment
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 01:11 AM
Dec 2023

and crawling with militants is a very bad idea. I still suspect they promised the staff everything in the hope they'd save themselves along with viable patients. Preemies in a war zone when there's no electricity for the machines keeping them warm, breathing and alive would not be a top priority, sad to say.

Like I said, triage is tough.

Big Blue Marble

(5,702 posts)
36. Hamas was not around when the IDF occupied the hospital.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 03:24 AM
Dec 2023

The IDF was in control of that area of the strip. Stop deflecting; the IDF
left these babies to die.

NutmegYankee

(16,480 posts)
47. US ambulance crews won't enter an active crime scene,
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 09:36 AM
Dec 2023

but you think Israeli crews will enter an active war zone. When you come back to reality, give me a ring.

Big Blue Marble

(5,702 posts)
49. So clever you are.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 02:01 PM
Dec 2023

You are forgetting the Israelis assured the medical staff they would send the ambulances.
They made a commitment and then reneged at the cost of the babies lives.

Some things just cannot be excused or rationalized.

Big Blue Marble

(5,702 posts)
52. They were ordered to evacuate and assured that the babies would be cared for.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 02:34 PM
Dec 2023

Read the whole article in The Washington Post before you attempt to defend the indefensible/

GuppyGal

(1,748 posts)
30. It's a damn shame that scumbag Hamas put their own people in the middle and on the front line including babies.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 01:56 AM
Dec 2023

Oopsie Daisy

(6,670 posts)
41. Hamas did this by design. It's what they wanted, apparently.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 07:27 AM
Dec 2023

Israel is giving them what they want. Why are they complaining now?

Xolodno

(7,361 posts)
38. Problem is, you have two problems that serve both agitators.
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 04:49 AM
Dec 2023

Problem #1: Hamas wants this to happen because its an effective recruiting, rallying, etc. tool.

Problem #2: Bibi has people in his government who also want this to happen because they look at the Palestinians as nothing more than...well, actually less than animals. Yemini, Iraqi, Iranian, etc. Jews are just a tad above Palestinians to them and genetic tests have shown Palestinians and Jews are related. But a Subotniki converted European with no lineage is better, can't make this stuff up.

uponit7771

(93,532 posts)
46. Yep, Bibi doesn't even want international help keep the peace and Russia/China gets to show the
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 09:24 AM
Dec 2023

... US aiding the bad guy to the young

Goddessartist

(2,176 posts)
56. It is heartbreaking. As are
Wed Dec 6, 2023, 02:56 PM
Dec 2023

Some of the comments here. The inhumanity is very heartbreaking.

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