John Fetterman: "They could be protesting Hamas...instead they targeted a Jewish restaurant."

[lapucelle]

Link to tweet

[mcar]

1. Yes, but...

[Sessuch]

67. John, you have gone overboard with you comment

The people were just lining up to get a table.

[Just_Vote_Dem]

2. They can deny, deny, deny all they want

But in the end, it's about hating Jews.

[yardwork]

6. "... their reigning power structure." WTF??!!

What Jewish "reigning power structure" are you talking about?

[Sal_NV]

8. This is very obviously a RW troll whom I think isn't long for this site. nt

[CincyDem]

54. Haha...yeah...we really wield that 0.2% position. Lol.

[LexVegas]

7. "pound of flesh"? Really? Jesus. nt

[Skittles]

10. if you buy the bullshit about Jewish folk

that IS hatred for Jewish folk

[Sal_NV]

11. It's where, not wear.

I think you don't know the english language so that makes me think that you might be a RW t###l.

[ShazzieB]

14. Definite troll.

They typed "else wear" (2 words) instead of "elsewhere." There were other errors, too. Definitely not a native (or even fluent non-native) English speaker.

[Sal_NV]

16. Maybe Russian , Chinese or Iranian?

I think so.
Thank you mirt for ridding us of this troll.

[ShazzieB]

19. I'm glad they're gone, but I can't take credit.

I did alert on the post, but I doubt I was the only one. The post was gone so fast that I have a feeling an earlier alert than mine resulted in the removal. Either way, I'm glad the trash got taken out!

[Sal_NV]

24. I alerted also, but it was denied,

why? I haven't the faintest clue, this was very obviously a RW troll.
Oh well, I tried, but it seems a different jury saw the obvious and sent this troll packing.

[ShazzieB]

31. That happens,

Sometimes it seems to depend on who happens to be on that particular jury.

On the whole, I think the jury system works well, but once in a while there's a ruling that makes me scratch my head..

[yardwork]

17. They had a number of ancient antisemitic tropes down pat, though.

[ShazzieB]

20. Eh, that stuff antisemitism 101.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were working off of talking points they had been given.

[yardwork]

23. That's what I meant. I'm sure they were working if a script.

[ShazzieB]

29. Ah, okay!

I agree.

[NNadir]

12. Enjoy your stay.

[TheKentuckian]

22. Pounds of flesh is missing the point

I believe some that would consider themselves even handed don't actually believe that Israel has a right to defense but instead grant some bizarre right to limited, proportional retribution.

Body count is not material to the question of does Hamas and its evil spiderweb of siblings continue to have the capacity to continue their attacks.

All other considerations are secondary because nobody but nobody is going to accept the threat, perhaps least of all our hyper hypocritical as a nation asses.

Civilian deaths? Hold our beers. We will straight up fund death squads and send them to our neighbors to pillage cuz COMMIES and that is just one of the appetizer options.

Not so much as a rock tossed in our general direction.

God forbid an actual attack though we might obliterate about anyone but who did the deed.

Mass guilty concious at work? Just flat bullshitting? Unimaginably naive?

[yardwork]

26. I've mentioned this before. Nobody in the U.S. who was an adult taxpayer in 2003 has any moral standing.

"A pound of flesh" is a very old antisemitic phrase. It's a reference to Jewish money lenders taking more than their share in repayment. Very old, very ugly phrase. It's right on point for antisemites to use that phrase against Israel, which is also now being accused of an unfair disproportionate response. That entire framing is antisemitic. And, as you point out, extremely hypocritical for an American to make.

[Sal_NV]

3. But, again, this will be blamed on Isreal because in 3..2..1..

[yardwork]

4. Reading the comments on Fetterman's tweet was discouraging.

I'm sure some are bots, but still... the level of lies and disinformation and raw hatred of Jewish people... smh

[TheKentuckian]

25. Fetterman however

is very encouraging.

[JI7]

33. Beyonce's Instagram is full of hate also

They are demanding she not show her movie in Israel and they are actually demanding she tell Israelis not to listen to her music.

This is how fucked up these "protests" are.

[madaboutharry]

39. One of the hostages, 9-year old Emily Hand

Is a big Beyoncé fan. Her father said that after her release, on the way to the hospital, he gave her his phone and she put on a Beyoncé song. He saw it as a sign she will recover.

[yardwork]

43. This propaganda is designed to get Trump back in the White House.

[DemocraticPatriot]

9. yes, indeed.... Protest is indeed a guarranteed right in this country, but the targeting

was totally WRONG in the case of the Jewish restaurant in Philadelphia...
They were not responsible for what is happening in Gaza...


American Jews have no responsibility for the military actions of the nation of Israel... or Jews in any other country, for that matter....


Protest at the Israeli embassies.... Even at any United States government sites.... yes, by all means...

but to target individual Jews who are not even Israelis, is just as wrong as to target Muslims who do not reside in the Middle East


Might as well target me, because I have some ancestors who owned black slaves----

but more of my ancestors fought for the Union in the civil war, to free those slaves...

[progressoid]

13. I heard some RW radio douche canoe go on and on about how the "Democrat" party is anti-semitic and pro-hamas.

I'd like him to say that to Fetterman

[SocialDemocrat61]

64. And Chuck Schumer

[betsuni]

15. K&R

[Sugarcoated]

18. Koo koo

Extreme acts, particularly against innocent people change no minds.

[Cha]

21. Hallelujah This is What I've been saying.. Talk to HAMAS!

Sen Fetterman and I are on the same page.

Mahalo lapucelle

Link to tweet

[TexasDem69]

27. I'm 100% behind Biden and Fetterman

In their support for Israel and the struggle against Hamas’ murderers. I cannot comprehend those who support Hamas instead of Israel. It’s shocking.

[AnrothElf]

28. Gee I wonder what that said. All I see is "Link to tweet"

Not everyone drinks in Nazi bars, you know. Some of us cannot see, and do not want to see, Tweets.

Kindly don't be lazy and simply copy and paste the body of the Tweet into your OP in the future.

Thanks.

[Celerity]

30. here

[druidity33]

40. You should say thanks to Celerity. nt.

[lapucelle]

41. "My firewall/ ad blocker/ browser isn't configured properly. Therefore you are lazy."

[AnrothElf]

47. Oh, it's configured properly.

It's working perfectly by blocking Twitter.

[lapucelle]

48. Then that's your choice.

[AnrothElf]

59. So is drinking at a Nazi bar... or NOT

[lapucelle]

62. ...

[Swede]

46. Biden, Harris, and all top Dems post on twitter.

It's a source of information. Shit happens, step over it.

[H2O Man]

32. Recommended.

Thank you for this.

[Lithos]

34. Fetterman gets it...

n/t

[Hekate]

35. KnR

[Axelrods_Typewriter]

36. So proud to have voted for Fetterman.

It takes some real cajones to say stuff like this when you're closer to the Alexandria Oscasio-Cortez wing of the party than others.

Also, "Goldie, Goldie?" Wooooooow. That's some real horseshoe effect stuff - repeating and using the "all Jews are rich" trope started by the Nazis.

Diiiiiiis-GUSTING!

[July]

42. Goldie's is the name of the restaurant. nt

[yardwork]

45. Goldie. And the chant was still antisemitic as hell.

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Accusing a restaurant ("Goldie) of genocide because it's owned by a Jewish man...

[July]

49. Agree on the chant.

[SunSeeker]

37. K & R & Retweeted

[Polybius]

38. He's not wrong in this case

But I do wish that he would criticize Israel at least a little bit. Just say that they should be more careful or something.

My position is that Hamas needs to be destroyed, while Israel should try to lesson collateral damage.

[yardwork]

44. The Biden administration is doing that.

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Edited to correct typo.

[Polybius]

50. Please explain

There hasn't been a Bush Administration in years, and I don't recall them ever criticizing Israel.

[yardwork]

51. My mistake. Typo. I'll correct.

[Polybius]

52. It's cool

Yes, I like Biden's position on this better than Fetterman's. Hammer Hamas, but tell Israel to be more careful with civilians.

[yardwork]

53. I think Biden's people are hammering Netanyahu.

The whole situation is a nightmare with no simple solutions. And it's been laid at Joe Biden's door so that Trump will be reelected.

Those effing Bushes helped create this situation too.

[peggysue2]

55. Another example (among many) of targeting specific fellow Americans

Fetterman was/is right to call out this vile mob, unAmerican behavior because singling out a particular group of Americans for no other reason than their ethnic/religious background is wrong, wrong, wrong.

It was wrong yesterday, today and forever.

The excuse for this mob and the genocide accusations was reportedly predicated on the owners donating to the IDF. I read later that even this was wrong: the donations the owners were giving was for humanitarian services.

Hamas won the early round in the information war. But this is turning very quickly because the Pro-Palestinian movement is becoming indistinguishable from an anti-Jew movement.

And who will lose the most in this effort? The Palestinians.

Good job, guys!

[Cha]

60. Of Course! ".. the donations the owners were giving was for humanitarian services."

The excuse for this mob and the genocide accusations was reportedly predicated on the owners donating to the IDF. I read later that even this was wrong: the donations the owners were giving was for humanitarian services.

The Mob Lies.. and the Mobs have done Nothing but hurt the Palestinian cause by Violently Harassing and Attacking Jewish Students, Teachers, and Businesses.

And, this is what I've been saying on these threads .. Talk to HAMAS.. they're the ones who Broke the Ceasefires.

[ExciteBike66]

56. Its both wrong to target the restaurant and stupid to protest Hamas...

Hamas is a group of terrorists. Protesting them is pointless.

I mean, am I supposed to waste my time protesting ISIS too? Think they will listen?

[yardwork]

58. Maybe protesting isn't the right approach to this situation.

The purpose of these protests seems to be performative virtue-signaling and/or efforts to get Democrats to cut off all support to Israel and/or efforts to punish Democrats by ensuring that we lose elections. I don't agree with any of those goals.

[Cha]

71. How about "Condemn HAMAS".. they could

get on their Social Networks and Condmn HAMAS instead of their '"hideously Ineffective" Harassing and Vandalizing Jewish Businesses, Students, Teachers and the White House.

[Cha]

65. Well they Could use their Social Media Devices

to Condemn HAMAS Instead of Harassing and Vandalizing Jewish Businesses, Jewish Students, and Teachers.

[paleotn]

69. Hamas runs Gaza. You are aware of that I hope.

They run the civil government in the Gaza strip. Have for some time now.

[TheKentuckian]

73. They are also the "legitimate" government of Palestine

but if that isn't the road to be on then go bother their funders and allies.

[elias7]

57. It's like the increase in anti-muslim sentiment in the US after 9/11

Pure anti-semitism. Connecting an American restauranteur to Israeli govt actions. The only connection is Jewishness.

[Behind the Aegis]

61. What many forget about 9/11 and the bigotry that followed...

...was, yes, Islamophobia increased by almost 400%, but anti-Semitism also increased. And while there was a massive increase of hate against Muslims, it fell immensely after a year, but anti-Semitism did not, and even in the throes of the horrible increase against Muslims, it never surpassed the anti-Semitism against Jews!

The difference now? Now, self-professed progressives and others on the left don't show the abject horror to the increase of anti-Semitism, either joking about it and acts of "martyrdom" (oh, look at me, I am stating I hate Hamas over and over because I have been falsely accused of loving them, which is almost always a false claim in its own right), claims of playing the "anti-Semitism card", or the constant whining about how they are the "real" victims because all they are trying to do is protest Israel.

If one were to scrawl "Terrorists! Hamas is evil! Israel will never surrender!" on a Mosque, or protest outside a Muslim/Arab/Palestinian owned business with chants of "Hey, Hey Muslim/Arab/Palestinian, How many women did you rape today?" it would be seen as a hate crime; targeting Muslims who have NOTHING to do with the current conflict other than sharing a religion with one side. I doubt a SINGLE person would claim it was NOT Islamophobic, but make it about Jews, and suddenly the messages are "aspirational", probably the work of a Jew (yes, that has been written HERE), nothing more than protesting the horrible situation in Gaza. This is known as a double standard, and when it comes to Jews, it is employed quite a lot!

[yardwork]

63. I see this. I'm not Jewish and I've seen it all my life.

There are a LOT of antisemitic biases in people's heads, whether they recognize them or not.

One of the biases is the assumption that Jewish people are wealthy and powerful. This leads to assumptions that Jews can't be victims, and in fact must be the oppressors.

In contrast, Muslims are viewed by many Americans through a colonialist lens. They are viewed as powerless, in need of our protection.

I've mentioned the Drama Triangle before. It's a construct where people engage with others as either Victim, Oppressor, or Hero. It's very appealing for people to feel as if they are heroes, rushing to defend victims of oppressors. Our cultural biases make it easier for many people to view Jews as oppressors and Muslims as victims, even when some facts show otherwise. It's very easy to view the I/P situation through that lens, when the truth is far more complicated.

[raging moderate]

66. Yes. I grew up in a Chicago neighborhood where Jews were in the majority.

My family was not Jewish, but I have many fond memories of the Jewish people there. Almost all of them were good people. My family was very poor, and we got some nice little charity packages. I remember walking home from some school event or shopping trip, on Friday evening, passing a couple of synogogues and several little stores where the Sabbath Eve services were starting, with beautiful singing in the air. Later, I married an Illinois country boy and lived in several little towns in rural Illinois. Especially in Southern Illinois, these prejudices against Jews seemed rampant. The people there were incredulous when I described life in my little Chicago Jewish neighborhood. They exclaimed, "What? You mean some of the Jews there were not rich?" "That's right," I answered. "But Jews are all crafty and conniving," they said. "They must all be rich!" "No," I said, "I met many poor Jews. But I never met a dirty one, or a lazy one, or a stupid one, or a vicious one." Of course, I was only a dumb city girl. How could I know anything about anything?

[SouthernDem4ever]

70. Muslims are viewed by many Americans through a colonialist lens. They are viewed as powerless

Not this American. All my life I have watched Muslim countries oppress each other within or outside while our country has made many of them very wealthy with our thirst for oil. I could never condone a culture that treats women as they do.

[paleotn]

72. Seems irrational hatred knows no political boundary.

Israel's treatment of Palestinians over the decades has been abysmal and more than a little counter productive, but they're not the only bad actors on the block. Seems the plight of other downtrodden ethnic groups isn't nearly as "popular" in certain American social groups.

[Evolve Dammit]

68. Dammit. This is so disheartening to see in our country.