Financial Times: Scale of Northern Gaza destruction equivalent to bombing of German cities in WWII

[Donkees]

The Financial Times reports that the extent of devastation and destruction in northern Gaza in less than seven weeks has approached levels seen during the years-long carpet-bombing of German cities during the Second World War.

More than 60 percent of buildings in northern Gaza have been damaged. Across the coastal territory, more than 300,000 residential units have been damaged or destroyed completely.

“Gaza will also go down as a place name denoting one of history’s heaviest conventional bombing campaigns,” The Financial Times quoted Robert Pape, a US military historian, as saying.

The report cited the different types of ammunition that the Israeli military is using against the Gaza Strip, including unguided MII7 “dumb bombs” and “earth-shaking” 2,000lb GBU-31 bombs.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/12/6/israel-hamas-war-live-gaza-death-toll-climbs-as-israel-pounds-enclave

[Goddessartist]

1. Horrific.

Genocidal.

[TheProle]

8. Exactly.

Genocidal actions on the part of Hamas are to blame for the damage, much as Germans paid the price for their support of a genocidal maniac.

[former9thward]

9. Was the U.S. bombing of Germany "Genocidal"?

[Happy Hoosier]

11. Nonsense.

There was no genocide of the German people. Likewise, there is no genocide of Palestinians. Use of that word is meant to elicit a response, but it's hyperbolic nonsense.

[Goddessartist]

14. Tell that to

My 97 year old Jewish mil. She's horrified and calls Israel's actions genocide.

There's a street in Tel Aviv named after her father.

[Calculating]

37. Yes

Hamas is causing genocide. Return the hostages and surrender.

[enid602]

2. Bombing

They need to save the hostages by bombing the crap out of them.

[Tomconroy]

3. So this is the equivalent of what the allies did during

WW II.
Not genocide.
Not a war crime.
Simply defeating evil.

[BannonsLiver]

4. Unfortunately there is a revisionist movement

The crux of which is that the Allies were just as evil as the Nazis and Japanese because since all war is terrible, all participants are equally terrible. Never mind that one side gassed 6 million people, they’re both equally bad. Have run across at least 2 DUers who have bought into this horseshit narrative.

[brush]

15. Not exactly. The non-combatant Palestinians have nothing to fight back with. They just have to huddle down and take it.

Japan had aircraft carriers, battle ships, cruisers, planes and armies taking over Korea and battling in China,the Philippines and all those Pacific Islands.

Germany had U-boats taking out allied shipping, executed blitzkrieg with planes, tanks, divisions of storm troopers and captured most of Europe and parts of Northern Africa before fucking up and attacking Russia too on a third front.

The Palestinians can't do anything but get bombed and killed because there's nowhere to go to get away from the attacks...not even to the south where they were told to go by the IDF.

See the difference?

[Tomconroy]

20. Hamas is fighting back, I assure you.

[brush]

23. OK, there must be a lack of comprehension here. There's a difference between Hamas (who have be eliminated) and...

innocent, non-combatant Palestinians who have no where to go to escape the air strikes...not even to the south where the IDF told them to go for safety.

Got that? See the difference?

I don't get at all why this has to keep being explained.

[Marcus IM]

27. It seems as though one must include in EVERY post that one condemns Hamas terrorism.

And if one doesn't include the most obvious with that disclaimer in each and every post, then one is open to being accused of antisemitism or for being pro Hamas.

[brush]

30. Yes, that's why I do it. And this is supposed to be a progressive site of intelligent people. It can get you down.

[Voltaire2]

101. We've learned a lot since 9-11.

'Yes al Qaeda did a horrible thing, but really, running torture centers is not an appropriate response.'

[Tomconroy]

33. What I get is that Hamas hides among the general populace

thus ensuring substantial civilian casualties. They literally launch rockets from apartment buildings (Anderson Cooper saw this all the time when he visited Gaza).Another reason there are substantial civilian casualties is that, for whatever reason, some civilians did not follow IDF directions to move to safety.
I know you think you are supporting peace when you demand an immediate cease fire but in fact all you are doing is ensuring hamas will do this again.
If you want to do something useful: call on hamas to surrender.

[brush]

36. Saying Hamas must go/be eliminated is not enough for you? God, this place has gone nuts.

[Tomconroy]

56. How do you think they are going to be eliminated?

I think the only way to eliminate them is what the IDF is doing. It worked on Nazi Germany. It'll still work today.
Bombs and artillery shells are what wins wars. Rifles haven't cut it for over a hundred years.

[brush]

69. True enough, but this war is asymetrical. Unlimited bombing and artillery against non-combatant civilians will surely...

blow the shit out of them. So unfair..and pls note, Hamas terrorists make up just a few thousand of the 2,300,000 Gazan civilians.

See the point?

Bombing the shit out of them just accumulates so many deaths and casualties of civilians that can't be justified.

[Tomconroy]

73. Hamas doesnt wear uniforms and hides among

Civilians. This is the reason for the civilian casualties.
Had the IDF wanted to indiscriminately kill civilians the numbers would be in the 100s of thousands by now.

[brush]

80. A Hamas operative, unarmed and not uniformed, has no avantage over IDF ground forces/special forces.

Remember, at least 65 percent of Gaza civilians are women and children. However the ground forces make sure groups are unarmed and separated together, the Hamas terrorist hiding among them, won't be able to go to his arms stash to fight.

It's not easy to fight urban warfare but it has to be done as the air strikes kill thousands of civilians with a limited count of terrorists. You might have heard yesterday that an IDF spokesman said they were pleased with a killing ration of 2 to t in civilians killed along with terrorists killed.

Can you imagine that calculus? And that 2 to 1 us just a rough estimate. It's most likely much higher in terms of civiians killed as so many bodies are still buried in rubble.

[Tomconroy]

82. All hamas has to do is surrender.

[brush]

87. And what's wrong with that? IDF forces will of course be suspicious of military-aged men and will separate them out...

from others...and for good reason.

[uponit7771]

106. Still not a justification for non surgical engagement

[AloeVera]

72. Ah but then it would be an equal fight, wouldn't it?

And civilians would be left out of it.

[Tomconroy]

75. WW II was an equal fight. And civilians werent left out of it.

[AloeVera]

86. Precisely.

It was the bombing that killed the civilians. Compare that with WWI. 10:seven military to civilian deaths vs more like 10:15 or higher.

[Tomconroy]

89. Even hamas is saying its about 2 to 1. (10000 v. 5000)

The number of combatant casualties will increase as the IDF engages in serious infantry combat in the streets and tunnels. Which they are about to do.

[uponit7771]

107. Germans and Japanese were the oppressors the Palestinians are not

[uponit7771]

105. Surgical incursions?!?! You know like it's been done for generations?

[WhiteTara]

22. yes. there is a difference

another is that almost half the citizens of Palestine are under the age of 18 as all the adults have been killed in other actions.

[CincyDem]

65. The population distribution is far more likely due to a combination of factors.

I think if you were to look at the data you'd see the life expectancy in Gaza (75) is higher than the global average (70) and about the same as most it's Arab state peers. You'd also see that the fertility rate (3.4) is pretty high by comparison and the infant mortality rate (0.15%) is lower than other countries with similar fertility rates. Net, the population distribution is far more impacted by the reproductive math than it is by being killed in other actions.

That's not to say adults have NOT been killed in other actions - only that it's not the primary driver (if it has any impact at all) on the percent of population under 18.

[NutmegYankee]

24. So how did those Israeli tanks get knocked out?

How did Israeli soldiers get shot? The government of Gaza (Hamas) is indeed fighting back, making your argument nonsense.

[brush]

26. Again a lack of comprehension. Hamas has to go, got that? The innocent, non-combatant Palestinians are not the same...

same thing. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? There are 2,300,000 million in Gaza. Of that total it's estimated that 30k are Hamas terrorists.

Big difference.

I don't get why this has to keep being explained on here.

[Marcus IM]

28. Don't take the bait. Your position is clear (to me)

Otherwise you'll get your posts juried out. It's a maddening all or none situation for some.

[brush]

31. It's discouraging all right. Think I'll take a break from the Gaza war threads for a while.

[NutmegYankee]

34. In 1941, the United States pulled out of Manilla so that the Japanese wouldn't level the city.

The USA didn't want to have civilians die while defending the city. However, when the tide of war turned, Japan fought street to street causing the city to be leveled. Hamas is evil just like the Japanese, choosing to hide in the urban area and letting civilians take the beating. Hitler did the same with Berlin in 1945; he purposely chose to let German civilians die as the Russians leveled and took the city block by block.

[brush]

35. Good History. Evil is evil. Hamas is, IMO. Innocent non-combatants are another thing.

[NutmegYankee]

39. The situation sucks, but Israel has to destroy Hamas and change the government of Gaza

If they don't, there will just be another rape, pillage, and massacre of innocents like Oct 7. For the non-Hamas supporting Gazans, my heart does go out to them. But just like non Hitler supporting Germans and others caught in war, the war is unfortunately necessary.

[NutmegYankee]

32. Every nation in a war has far more civilians than active soldiers.

Got that? War in urban areas always has collateral damage. Hamas is still the government of Gaza and until they cease active resistance, the war will continue to cause casualties. It's like Berlin in 1945...

[brush]

41. Again, the non-combatants and Hamas are not the same. The IDF tells them to flee south, then bombs the south.

Seems the idea is to rid Gaza of Palestinians...another Nakba? Why haven't the air strikes ceased? Most with any military knowledge have know for a while that ground forces/special forces have to take on the long, hard slog of urban warfare. It's unavoidable if they want eliminate Hamas. It won't be easy, it has to be done, there will be civilian casualties but much less than the continued bombing.

Good luck to them. Get the war over, and get Bibi's corrupt ass in jail over the courts/corruption charges.

Has it occurred to you he wants to keep the war going to stay in power and out of jail?

[NutmegYankee]

42. In regard to your last statement, it has.

I dislike Bibi with the intensity of a thousand suns. But I do understand the bombing - urban combat is the most dangerous form of warfare, and the only way to ensure success and avoid high casualties is to take buildings down.

I'll say it again, war sucks!

[brush]

45. I disagree. Take buildings down and then what? Urban warfare is what.

[NutmegYankee]

92. It's denial to the enemy of cover and ambush positions

It allows the attacking force the ability to take and hold territory, which is the ultimate job of ground-pounders (infantry). If it ain't bombs, it would be tanks and mortars doing the same thing as snipers are eliminated.

When US infantry had to fight street to street, we also leveled cities in the process of taking them. If a position offers resistance, this is going to happen. If a position doesn't offer resistance and can be occupied peacefully, it stays intact.

[AloeVera]

102. Apparently every home, hospital, school in Gaza is offering resistance.

Or will be.

Do you think another reason just might be to inflict punishment on the population and make Gaza unlivable? Entirely unrelated to destroying Hamas. Cuz I gotta tell you it's sure looking like that.

[Lonestarblue]

47. The only way for all of Hamas to go is to kill all 2 million Palestinians in Gaza.

Sounds like you’re perfectly okay with murdering an entire population to try to kill a few thousand Hamas fighters who have access to miles of tunnels and can escape whenever they want. I am not. The war needs to be stopped now.

[brush]

48. You must have responded to the wrong post. I've always advocate for the air strikes to stop and Hamas to be elimincated.

[jimfields33]

76. They had a cease fire last week that Hamas didn't want.

So Israel must protect themselves. Pretty clear hamas is not interested in stopping the war.

[Tomconroy]

77. Your statement simply isnt true.

Germany was defeated. Not all Germans were killed.
This will probably be over in a couple of months. Hamas will be gone. Israel will be better off and truth to tell so will the innocent civilians.

[EX500rider]

46. And German & Japanese civilians could fight back how exactly?

[EX500rider]

51. So Hamas is not fighting back? Israel hasn't lost troops & tanks etc?

[brush]

58. Please, buddy. Nobody said Hamas is not fighting back. They and Palestinian civilians are not the same thing.

How many times does this have to be explained to you?

[brush]

62. Bingo. That's exactly what I'm saying.

[uponit7771]

108. They could've fought back by NOT being the oppressors before the war? tia

[AloeVera]

54. No standing army, no air force, no tanks, Apaches,nothing.

The population has no defense at all.

Boggles my mind that this is called a war. The asymmetry of forces and the ferocity of the bombing makes this something else that should not be allowed to happen.

In the words of Pope Francis, "it is forbidden to respond to terror with terror".

[brush]

60. Yeah, it's going down in history. Israel needs to kick Bibi's "bomb first, ask questions later" ass to the curb asap.

[Tomconroy]

74. There is a standing army. They just dont wear

Uniforms and they hide among the populace.

[AloeVera]

81. The asymmetry is ridiculous.

There is no nation or country, hence no army. Just a group of a few thousand fighters with minimal military equipment and training, no ability to shoot down anything and that resorts to atrocious terrorist tactics to even the playing field.

Total asymmetry.

[Tomconroy]

83. There is an army of 30,-40000. They actually

Have training from Iran and their defensive tactics are sophisticated.
And thank God for the asymetry.

[AloeVera]

90. Yes I've seen those estimates.

Also seen as low as 10,000.

It's the asymmetry that leads to high civilian casualties. They have nothing to defend their civilian populations with. Sure, the asymmetry is great for the IDF but catastrophic for Palestinian civilians.

[Tomconroy]

93. I know no one wants to hear this but if the

Civilians had gone south as Israel urged them beginning a couple of days after 10/7 the numbers would be better.
Hopefully the civilians will now listen to what the IDF tells them. Probably unlikely.

[AloeVera]

95. Yes, they could have lived a few weeks longer.

Palestinians, they never listen do they?

[Tomconroy]

97. A bit of an exaggeration, no?

[Big Blue Marble]

98. Hardly, an exaggeration.

"Surviving a day in Gaza means facing the danger of the next"

"Desperate for hope, Palestinians are trying to find 'safe zones' on an incomprehensible I
sraeli army map, even as they know there are none."

"We have become desperate in our daily search for bread, in what has now become our life’s
primary mission, stripping us of our humanity and dignity. We pretend not to heed the Israeli
missiles pouring above our heads; what matters, we tell ourselves, is to provide food for our
families. But we are lying to ourselves. We wander out with our hearts trembling, quivering
with fear from the sound of every plane and every airstrike. It is an hourly battle for survival."

snip

"I can only be horrified by the collective punishment we are enduring. I fear that it will only get
worse, and that the illusion of Gaza’s areas being distinguished by artificial “blocks” will simply
enable Israel to justify killing more civilians under the false pretense of having offered them protection.

Trapped in Gaza City, I find myself yearning for my own home, missing the mundane routines I
used to complain about in the past. I miss my office, and I miss my friends dearly.
The joys of Thursday nights, which heralded our more relaxing weekends, now feel far away.
All I wish for now, like every Gaza citizen paying the price of this senseless war, is for the mass
slaughter and destruction to stop. We no longer have the energy to bear more loss; it is too heavy
to hold."

https://www.972mag.com/gaza-city-survival-safe-zones/

[Tomconroy]

99. 16000 are dead, a third of whom are combatants.

Not 1.6 million.
This is not genocide no matter how often people like to misuse that word
And yes, you are exaggerating.

[Big Blue Marble]

100. These are not my words; these are the words of Gazan.

So why are you charging me with exaggerating?

First this war is far from done. Many more are being killed everyday while others are
ripped apart and left to live as orphans without arms and legs. Others are dying from
starvation and disease. Dysentery is common and medical resources mostly unavailable.
Death is everywhere.

And read the Israeli media. I can quote you article after article where genocide is discussed
by the government, starting with Netanyahu.

And then there is this statement by an Israel veternan who is charged with motivting the troops:

"Every Jew with a weapon should go out and kill them. If you have an Arab neighbour, don’t wait, go to his home and shoot him," Yachin said. We will witness things we've never dreamed of. Let them drop bombs on them and erase them," he added. "All of the prophecies sent by the prophets are about to occur."

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/israel-palestine-war-veteran-ezra-yachin-soldiers-erase-children

[muriel_volestrangler]

103. I don' know where "a third" came from, but it looks wildly inaccuarate. 8% would seem closer

See the breakdown by age and sex in the first 3 weeks:



https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/how-many-palestinians-have-died-gaza-war-how-will-counting-continue-2023-12-06/

If you look at the excess of male deaths in the "fighting age", it adds up to perhaps 500; we know that the deaths in the 0-4 and 5-9 groups, of both sexes, are each 11.5%, and that's about 750 people; so 500 is 11.5*500/750=7.7% - say 8%.

So it's not "2 civilians killed for each combatant"; it is, if you assume that the excess is due solely to being combatants (there are other possibilities - as The Lancet said "There was a distinct peak among men aged 30–34 years, possibly reflecting combatant or civilian exposures (e.g., first responders at bomb sites, journalists, and people going out to seek water and food for their families)" ), more like "12 civilians for each combatant".

[JudyM]

113. There was reporting that Hamas prevented many from leaving; they wanted human shields.

The killing is on Hamas’ hands, and they are fine with that because a large part of their intent is to promote a more negative world opinion about Israel.

[Beastly Boy]

57. That's what makes them non-combatants. They are not taking part in the fighting.

Just like German and Japanese non-combatants who were surrounded by the German and Japanese military assets which were bombed.

Exactly like this.

[brush]

59. Whatever...who knows what that means?

[Beastly Boy]

66. This means that the analogies of Germany and Japan with Gaza

are exact, contrary to what you said.

[brush]

71. I dunno, one bombed out pile of rubble looks like another bombed out pile of rubble.

But we think exactly opposite of each other so I'll leave it like that.

[redqueen]

67. Hamas attack on 10/7 ! Hitler's actions

The allies agreed to that plan in response to Hitler's actions.

[uponit7771]

104. Germans weren't oppressed before WWII started

[oioioi]

5. if you are still supporting this you need to examine your values.

[Happy Hoosier]

13. My values are that Hamas has to go.

The terrorists who supported systematic gang rape and executions need to go. It's going to be ugly, but it has to happen.

If YOU think Hamas should remain in power, then maybe re-examine YOUR values.

[oioioi]

16. yeah, maybe a progressive forum isn't the ideal place for your values at this point. ignored.

[Happy Hoosier]

19. Another non-answer from a keyboard hero. NT

[NutmegYankee]

25. Eliminating terrorists is fully within the values of Democratic Underground.

Perhaps YOU should evaluate if this is the place for you.

[brush]

21. Everyone here agrees Hamas has to go. What people are disgusted with is the horrific inhumanity that innocent...

non-combatant Palestinians are going through.

Hamas, again has to go, got that? But if you have no empathy for the apocalyptic horror that's happening to the Palestinians, well...you need to re-examine.

[NutmegYankee]

40. War is always horrible.

But I can't in good conscious expect Israelis to wait around for the next occasion for Hamas to cross the border to rape and murder women and douse babies with gasoline and burn them alive. I can't do that or accept such an outcome. Hamas has to be destroyed and because they (Hamas) choose to hide behind the civilians of Gaza, many will die as collateral damage. It's for that reason that I support efforts to help feed and provide aid to civilians in Gaza, but I cannot accept an end without the ultimate goal of changing the government of Gaza and denying Hamas the ability to coordinate another such attack.

[brush]

43. Getting Hamas out is the thing to do. Ground forces/special forces have to get on with urban warfare. Air strikes must..

stop on civilians. Get the war over, get Bibi's corrupt ass out. With Hamas gone and Bibi too, the extremes on both opposite poles against a two-state solution will be eliminated and negotiations, hopefully, can began again and to completion finally.

There won't ever be peace until there's a Palestinian state too (and I now they haven't always made good decisions in past negotiations...poor leadership?).

[EX500rider]

49. This idea that urban warfare is somehow easier on civilians is nonsense

I am sure the civilians of Stalingrad, Grozny, Fallujah, Mariupol, Taiz, etc would agree

Stalingrad


Battle of Grozny-1999


Second Battle of Fallujah-2004


Popasna-Ukraine


Battle of Mariupol-Ukraine


Taiz-Yemen

[brush]

55. Those photos look just like Gaza does now. And your point is? Keep bombing the shit out civilian areas?

FYI: Human flesh does not react well to bombs blowing it to smithereens.

Once every fucking structure is level and himans buried in rubble, what do you get then? Urban fucking warfare is what you get...and the women and children that make up at least sixty percent of the civilians are much easier to distinguish from armed, Hamas terrorists.

God, what is it with you? Are you just intent on turning the entirety of Gaza into piles of bombed out rubble?

Well keep it up because Bibi and his corrupt ass is continuing to bomb as he seems to have the same intent.

[EX500rider]

61. "Those photos look just like Gaza does now. And your point is?" Point is ground combat is no easier on civilians

As those photos all show

[brush]

64. I don't believe that. Women and Children, who make up at least 65 percent of Gazans, are easily distinguised from...

from armed Hamas terrorist.

Where are you getting this stuff from?

[AZSkiffyGeek]

79. You mean like those terrorist women and children who were just released from Israeli prison

The ones who throw Molotov cocktails at soldiers or accidentally set themselves on fire trying to blow up police checkpoints? Those women and children?
What does a terrorist look like?

[brush]

85. Let's deal with the present shall we. We're talking urban warfare in Gaza where Hamas operatives may try to...

to hide among civilians, but that of course doesn't work unless he's the stupidest terrorist going...he won't be armed and thus ineffective when IDF troops separate groups together to make sure all are unarmed. And soldier-aged men will stand out from the 65 percent of civilians who are women and children.

Urban warfare is hard but has to be done.

Beatyboy, a staunch anti-hamas poster here (as am I) posted today that IDF forces just found a huge cache of Hamas weapons by their deployed ground forces. Again, it has to be done.

[AZSkiffyGeek]

88. Only if you believe that women and children can't be terrorists

Which the recent prisoner releases disprove.

[EX500rider]

91. "Where are you getting this stuff from?" Military history?

Posted actual photos of what urban combat does to a city, no prettier then bombing, lots of artillery and tanks blasting buildings down

[TheKentuckian]

94. They will be screaming the same crap

The goalposts will be on wheels and powered by a hemi.

Next it will be the shelling that must be stopped and feigning shock that tanks are doing the same damage.

[uponit7771]

109. It doesn't have to be ugly, this problem has been solved before and is not unique. Surgical time taking incursions work

[leftstreet]

6. DURec

[CincyDem]

7. Testament to the phrase "elections matter".

It’s terrible what’s happening in Gaza today and we all know that Hamas’ terrorist attack is the catalyst for it, even if we can’t admit it out loud.

And their terrorism continues daily…every day Palestinians’ elected leaders wake up and decide to keep the hostages for another day…it’s a message that says “yeah…we’re good with all this, we believe it’s best for our people”.

The FO stage is always tough when it follows a FA stage that included gang rape, murder, dismemberment…and all with celebratory videos to boot.

[PufPuf23]

63. Doubt if much of the Hamas command and control remains intact.

Hamas sucks as the leadership of Gaza, unfortunately Netanyahu sucks as well.

Like to see more from Israel on changing their government and achieving a real, fair, and lasting peace.

[CincyDem]

70. I agree on one count and not on the other.

I think the decision makers regarding hostages are still every much alive and in control of what happens on the ground.

I think Bibi has to go. His days were numbered on 10/6 and, IMHO, he has no political future once this settles down. I don't think anyone is Israel is keen to call an election right now but he's not going to survive his term.

I think the stopgap that many folks miss is that bringing Benny Gantz into the War Cabinet has likely neutered Bibi as the key decision maker in the room. Bringing Gantz in is, for Bibi, a huge statement. I'm not sure what the US equivalent would be. Not as big as Trump bringing HRC in as SoS to fix some issue (hahahaha...sorry, I had to laugh at that thought...Trump doing anything rational) but something along those lines. Bibi and Gantz have been on the opposite sides of the aisle for so long I'm surprised they can even talk to each other.

Anyway - Bibi should be toast by the time this settles...not before...and Hamas leadership is still fully in control.

[PufPuf23]

84. Thank you. nt

[EX500rider]

10. Sure...if you were totally ignorant of the scale of the bombing of Germany

More Germans were killed in one night in Dresden then in a month of IDF bombing of Gaza

[malaise]

12. Effin evil

Nothing justifies this response.
That is all

[Happy Hoosier]

17. Are you okay with Hamas staying in power?

If not, please suggest an alternative.

If so, well....

Not that I expect an answer. Righteous indignation is always much easier when one doesn't have to promote an actual alternative.

[uponit7771]

111. No, the US strikes Bibi said no (link)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/28/us/politics/israel-gaza-war-military.html

[Goddessartist]

18. Yep

[Calculating]

38. They had a ceasefire

Hamas broke the terms.

[uponit7771]

110. Ukrianians are using drones that attack the windshield of Russian vehicles and do such from safety...

... far enough away from mines and bullets.

People are trying to convince others Bibis forces can not do the same with 4 times the GDP

[Turbineguy]

29. What a coincidence

Hamas October 7 attack was similar to Dr. Mengele's experiments.

[sarisataka]

44. I think a comparison

To Japanese atrocities is more apt.

[Basic LA]

52. Thanks for your invaluable updates & coverage!

[LexVegas]

53. The far left and far right bend and meet at antisemitism. nt

[redqueen]

68. Hamas attack on 10/7 ! Hitler's actions

I cannot believe this needs to be spelled out here.

The allies agreed to that plan in response to Hitler's actions.

So many people lining up to agree with right wingers on situations surrounding this - it's not a war is it - a war involves two armies. I don't know what to call it but fuck this.

[Owl]

96. After Hamas is defeated...

Who rebuilds (and pays for) the reconstruction for the remaining people in Gaza?

[uponit7771]

112. I've been hearing talking heads claim the Muslim states will do it like they're the ones who bombed Gaza