IDF finds one of the largest Gaza weapons stockpiles ever near school, hospital

[Beastly Boy]

The IDF said that it had found one of the largest weapons stockpiles in the history of its operations in Gaza, an arsenal containing hundreds of missiles, launchers, long-range rockets, anti-tank missiles, UAVs, and explosives.

The massive weapons cache was located near a hospital and a school, the IDF reported.

Who stores RPG missiles, anti-tank missiles, explosive devices, long-range missiles, grenades and UAVs at a school and a medical facility in Gaza? The answer: Hamas.Hamas doesn’t hide their terrorism. Stop excusing it. pic.twitter.com/az4Es0Vh5v
— Israel Defense Forces (@IDF) December 6, 2023

The terror munitions were discovered by the 50th battalion of the 460th brigade. The IDF said that some of the munitions were detonated on site while others were sent for further investigation.

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-776786

[JohnSJ]

1. This is why it is so difficult

[sjr2323]

53. It's even more difficult when the IDF reports weapons found "NEAR " a school and hospital

and a response says: Who stores RPG missiles, anti-tank missiles, explosive devices, long-range missiles, grenades and UAVs at a school and a medical facility in Gaza?

It may seem a small grammatical nitpick but one could with so many military bases all around this nation that weapons are stored or stockpiled NEAR a school or hospital. Imprecision is the stuff by which wars are prolonged. I am sure that in my home state of Delaware this is the case.

[JohnSJ]

56. and without explicitly saying it, that is exactly what I was saying. Thanks

[brush]

2. Good job. Proves my point. Ground forces/special forces are the way to ferret out Hamas.

The air strikes just keep blowing civilian non-combatants to smithereens and creating piles of rubble with bodies buried in them.

I say get on with it and finish this war to eliminated both Hamas and Bibi's corrupt ass from power and to jail.

[The Magistrate]

3. Ground Forces Go In Once Air Power Creates A Permissive Environment

When they have to create their own, there's little to choose in death and destruction between the two.

[Beastly Boy]

6. I don't recall you advocating ground forces in the vicinity of schools and hospitals.

Or accepting the fact that Hamas hides their military assets there.

Before long, you might be telling us that using civilians as human shields is a bad thing...

[brush]

9. All you have to do is reseach my posts before our recent tangles. I've been advocating ground/special forces...

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from the jump, along with my impartiality in acknowledging innocent civilians on both sides, while calling for stopping the air strikes from just blowing civilians to smithereens and creating piles of rubble with bodies buried under them (yes there's nuance to advocacy. It's not just about blowing innocent Palestinians away to get one or two terrorists while they're at it).

You might learn from that.

[TheKentuckian]

12. There will be no less crying if there is armor and artillery instead of airstrikes

If the misconceptions is units will be fed into a meat grinder with rifles then that is delusional and is marching up to the line of a demand to maximize the Israeli body count.

[brush]

14. That's not my perception. Ground forces have tanks, Javelins, Himars guided rockets etc, and artillery, way more...

way more superiority in weapons than what Hamas has with their hand-made rockets with no guidance systems. Israel has the latest in US weapons and Hamas has no match for them. Hamas will be the ones in the meat grinder.

Plus Israel and especially special forces have agility and the training needed to perform a job that just has to be done. Even if every structure in Gaza obliterated, the side with the weapons advantage then wins.

[Swede]

21. Well sign up and go to the front.

It will be so easy.

[brush]

28. No one with any sense thinks it'll be easy, but for your information, that's what the IDF is doing right now.

Blasting civilian housing to rubble might satisfy Netanyahu's guilt over his failure in not detecting the Oct. 7 attack, but it doesn't actually destroy Hamas operatives hiding in their tunnels, or does it get back the over 100 hostages still in captivity.

[Swede]

35. 40 IDF soldiers have died in Gaza since.

If they hadn't bombed, the numbers would be far greater.

[brush]

38. And so would the number of innocent Palestinians be too, now 16,000 and counting.

It's apparent that impartiality is a foreign concept to you, as is empathy for innocent civilian lives.

And fYI: It's just been reported that IDF ground forces think they've cornered the Hamas mastermind of the Oct. 7 attack in Khan Younis, a city in the southern part of Gaza.

And as I've said, ilots in jets overhead with bombs certainly can't do that. They can bomb the shit out of a lot of innocents told to go there by the IDF though.

[Swede]

41. In war you pound your enemy with artillery or bombs to weaken them.

Then your side does not get higher casualties. That's the way wars are fought. Don't accuse me of lack of empathy of impartiality.

[brush]

48. No matter how many innocent non-combatants are killed, huh, with nowhere to go but where...

the IDF told them to go for safety?

[Swede]

58. You're not getting it. Israel is in a war with Hamas.

In a war you pound your enemies til they are weak, then you attack. This saves the lives of your soldiers. It's war.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki might stir your memory of war.

[EX500rider]

59. "..innocent Palestinians be too, now 16,000 and counting" wow, so now they are all innocent, zero Hamas deaths?

[brush]

68. Of the 16,000 dead (probably many more buried in the rubble...

how many do you estimate to be Hamas terrorists?

Or are they most likely hiding in their tunnels?

The point being that the vast majority of the dead are women, children and non-combat-aged old men.

Oh, and btw: Read it and weep: Netanyahu/Likud incompetence.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18511654

"Is Israel’s eagerness to shatter Gaza a product of the same incompetence that led to the massive failure of the Israeli military to counter Hamas’s attack on October 7, the plans for which ended up in the hands of Israeli military and intelligence officials more than a year earlier?"

[EX500rider]

70. Why would I "read it & weep"? I didn't vote for Likud & don't even live in Israel

And as I have said before, we have zero idea how many dead are Hamas since they count their dead as civilians and I trust their number even less, the US couldn't give you up to date war dead in a active war zone in the US, I highly doubt Hamas is super efficient and could.

[yagotme]

67. Looks like Hamas is hiding with civilians again:

And fYI: It's just been reported that IDF ground forces think they've cornered the Hamas mastermind of the Oct. 7 attack in Khan Younis, a city in the southern part of Gaza.

Why is this cretin in the south? Weren't CIVILIANS told to go south? Hamas was supposed to stay in the north to be killed. Oh, wait a minute. Human shields.

[TheKentuckian]

62. Fair enough. All that gear will also bring down buildings

just the same, all this does is slacken the pace.

I don't see the point and believe the handwringing will be exactly the same.

[brush]

37. Ok, old friend, I've long advocated for ground forces to be the ones to root out Hamas from their tunnels.

I think you know as well as I do that bomb strikes won't do that. Pilots in jets overhead can bomb the shit out of a lot of innocents told to go there by the IDF though.

Now back to ground forces, you may have heardby now it's just been reported that IDF ground troops think they've cornered the Hamas mastermind of the Oct. 7 attack in Khan Younis, a city in the southern part of Gaza. That's probably the only way to get to them in the tunnels

As far as using civilians as human shields by Hamas, come on, that's a definite NO. What I'm against is bombing the shit out of buildings/hospitals/housing to maybe get a terrorist who ventured outside of his tunnel hideout.

You probably also know Israeli hostage families blasted Netanyahu yesterday for concentrating on just getting Hamas instead of negotiating to get the over 100 hostages back. They're furious with Netanyahu for suggesting flooding the tunnels with sea water to get Hamas out. Can you believe that?

He must be going a little nuts with his guilt for his intel failure on the Oct. 7 attack/subsequent revenge and over-retaliation motive. Israel needs to ditch him asap, even before the war is over.

What say you?

[Beastly Boy]

39. Ok, if this is a challenge, as it appears to be, I will bite.

No, I don't think I know as well as you do that ground forces are to be the ones to root out Hamas from their tunnels. In fact what I know is exactly the opposite of what you think you know.

I don't think you know as well as I do that any sane military doctrine calls for air strikes prior to ground offensives against fortified enemy positions.

I don't think you know as well as I do that a good portion of Hamas casualties, including their top commanders, as well as much of their military infrastructure were destroyed in air strikes, not ground offensives.

I don't think you know as well as I do that IDF rarely sends soldiers into the tunnels to drive Hamas out. In fact, they destroy most of the shafts they find above ground that lead into tunnels, to keep Hamas in.

I don't think you know as well as I do that Hamas militants were escaping the tunnels at the time of cease fire, when IDF took no action against them.

And, if you are referring to Sinwar as Hamas mastermind of the Oct. 7 attack, there is no indication that he is hiding in the tunnels, only that IDF knows where he is. It is just as likely that he will be taken out by air strike as not.

And by now not even you can delude yourself with fantasies of random terrorists hiding in schools and hospitals: https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/defense-news/article-776786

You must be better friends with Netanyahi than I am, though. I have no effing clue about him going a little nuts, or his guilt trip. However, I don't think anyone in Israel cares about what you think Israel needs to do.

[brush]

40. Oh, man, you're disappointing me. The ground forces have the Hamas mastermind cournered...

in Khan Younis but you keep up with the conventional old thinking of blast the shit out of innocent civilian targets.

Come on, are you hearing what I'm saying, IDF ground forces have the Hamas mastermind cournered. Ground forces. Haven't you heard this? You've got fo adjust your thinking. Where's your empathy for innocent civilians and hostage families?

Even the Israeli hostage families want emphasis on getting the hostages back instead of bombing every building in Gaza to smithereens. They want Bibi and his tactics out and their relatives back through concentration on negotiations/prisoner exchange.

You disappoint me in thinking this is a challenge. It's seeking a solution, not body counts.

[Beastly Boy]

43. Are YOU hearing what you are saying? You are not even pretending to respond to what I posted.

Ground forces have the mastermind's home surrounded. What the hell is all the babble about innocent civilians? And what the hell does it have to do with ground forces driving Hamas out of the tunnels? And what the hell does this have to do with adjusting my thinking or my empathy with the hostages?

Just try reading this word salad aloud to yourself when your mind clears up a bit. You would be embarrassed.

[brush]

47. Forget it. As I said, I've advocated ground forces to ferret out Hamas and they're doing that now...

and have the mastermind cornered, but you're not getting it. They did their job, what they're trained and paid for, what I've advocated for instead of wholesale bombings.

But you still seem to be about just turning Gaza into rubble, no matter how many non-combatants are killed?

Hopeless.

[Beastly Boy]

51. You've advocated ground forces to ferret Hamas out of the tunnels,

forsaking the air strikes. A totally ridiculous advocacy that betrays ignorance of well established tactics of engaging entrenched enemy. Now you are trying to weasel out of what you actually said, and then falling back on some wild speculations of what I seem to be about, without an iota of a basis to show for it.

And I am the one not getting it? No, I am getting it allright!

[brush]

55. Hopeless. Take no care to not just kill innocent non-combatants in the airstrikes. Hopeless.

The Biden admin has cautioned Netanyahu to take care to limit as much as possible civiiian casualties, as has the UN, it's Sec'y General calling for a Security Council resolution to such an effect.

You however, think differently. Again, Palestinian non-combatants and Hamas terrorists are not the same.

[uponit7771]

15. Yep, US military agrees (link)

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/28/us/politics/israel-gaza-war-military.html

[Happy Hoosier]

23. It's not a one or the other situation....

If you send ground forces into an area not prepped by airstrikes and artillery, they are walking in to a meat grinder. This is ESPECIALLY true in urban conflicts.

Combined arms is the foundation of a modern military offensive.

[brush]

25. So you're advocating to keep blasting innocent non-combatants to smithereens with bombs ?

That's the best possible solution? Thinking human beings can't come up with something that doesn't take as many innocent lives than that?

And btw, on "Morning Joe" today an Isreali couple whose son is a hostage are outraged at Netanyahu for his obvious over-retaliation/guilt/failure complex in not stopping the Oct. 7 attack, that he can't concentrate on anything but getting Hamas instead of doing everything/negotiating to get the over 100 hostages back.

This was this morning. and echoes what happened yesterday when Israeli citizen yelled at Bibi for not getting the hostages back. Also they're still outraged that the his government took hours to respond to the Oct 7 attack...literally hours and nothing was done whil they hid in safe rooms and closets.

[Happy Hoosier]

31. I'm saying it's necessary to take Hamas off the board.

I'm saying that I think any solution which leaves Hamas in power is not viable. Hamas has said what they want... to repeat Oct 7 over and over again until every Jew in "Palestine" is dead or driven into the sea.

I mean, even in your own post, you're not offering a real alternative. I understand the compassion and even outrage. But I think people must understand that Oct 7 means Hamas cannot remain.

Hamas will not release all the hostages, IMO. They lose what leverage they have.

And make no mistake... this kind of horror was always Hamas's best defense. By embedding themselves in the civilian population and infrastructure, they have always planned on this kind of reaction ensuring their resiliance. The question is, are we willing to let them succeed?

That's not to say I think Israel can do whatever it wants. I think the US should continue to pressure Israel to allow more aid in, to be more focused in their efforts, and to make it clear we will not accept permanent relocation of the Palestinian population.

I also think the U.S. needs to begin public efforts for organizing and supporting post-conflict recovery and reonstruction efforts.

[brush]

34. FYI: I advocated that ground forces/special forces be deploy to root out Hamas from their tunnels...

which btw, the IDF is doing right now. It's just reported that they think they've cornered the Hamas mastermind of the Oct. 7 attack in Khan Younis, a city in the southern part of Gaza.

Pilots in jets overhead with bombs certainly can't do that. They can bomb the shit out of a lot of innocents told to go there by the IDF though.

[Happy Hoosier]

42. Yes, they are doing now that the battlefield is prepped.

Sending ground and Special forces inbto a zone that hasn;t been properly prepped is a very bad idea. They tried it in Gaza before and failed.

[brush]

44. Properly prepped against who, the innocent civilians, 65 percent or more women and children...

with hardly any shelter? What the hell has happened to DU? I once thought of this place as a haven for progressives of like minds who had empathy for the less fortunate...like maybe innocent Palestinian civilians (NOT HAMAS, MIND YOU), but no, that is no longer the case here.

There's little impartiality here, it's all about blast the shit out of Gaza and to hell in any innocents in the way. In areas where they were told to go by the IDF by the way.

[Happy Hoosier]

52. Having empathy for the less fortunate...

... does not mean we can't see through the Hamas tactics.

And kindly stop telling me what I think, or passive aggressively strawmanning me.

Your screed does not represent my thinking AT ALL.
NO, it's NOT about just blasting Gaza to shit.

Let me ask this and save us some time:

Are you willing to to allow Hamas to remain in power in Gaza in order to reduce civilain casualties?

[brush]

54. Didn't I just write in my post (NOT HAMAS, MIND YOU), and in my other posts on this thread I've said...

Hamas must be eliiminated? Scroll thru and see for yourself. Eliminating Hamas doesn't have to include thousands of innocent non-combatants...so far 16,000 or so and counting.

[Happy Hoosier]

57. Okay... fair enough, but....

... I simply do not buy your claim that you can just send in ground forces and Special Forces and root out Hamas.

Check out the Israeli experience 2014. This was a much more limited operation intened to target Hamas capability while limiting civilian casualties.

It failed, of course.

I agree that limiting civilian casualties is important. I also acknowledge that any urban operation of this scale will result in heavy civilian casualties.

[brush]

66. Read it and weep: Netanyahu/Likud incompetence.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18511654

"Is Israel’s eagerness to shatter Gaza a product of the same incompetence that led to the massive failure of the Israeli military to counter Hamas’s attack on October 7, the plans for which ended up in the hands of Israeli military and intelligence officials more than a year earlier?"

[EX500rider]

60. I see little evidence urban ground warfare is any kinder to civilians or infrastructure

I am sure the civilians of Stalingrad, Grozny, Fallujah, Mariupol, Taiz, etc would agree

Urban ground combat:

Stalingrad


Battle of Grozny-1999


Second Battle of Fallujah-2004


Popasna-Ukraine


Battle of Mariupol-Ukraine


Taiz-Yemen

[brush]

65. Perhaps. The text below is from this link.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18511654

"Is Israel’s eagerness to shatter Gaza a product of the same incompetence that led to the massive failure of the Israeli military to counter Hamas’s attack on October 7, the plans for which ended up in the hands of Israeli military and intelligence officials more than a year earlier?"

[The Magistrate]

4. Haven't Been So Shocked, Sir, Since The Sun Rose In The EAST This Morning

[Cha]

5. Good on IDF.. Less Weapons for Butchers of HAMAS to

to lob at Israel.

And, of Course the Sadistic Murderers have their weapons near schools and hospitals.. that's what has been Reported All Along.

[Oopsie Daisy]

7. As I peruse the internet, I'm sure it won't be long before I start reading conspiracy theories *

* and other unfounded accusations. (ie: fake photos, planted evidence, photos from a different place, etc.)

Hamas is getting exactly what they wanted, and exactly what they deserve. Hamas doesn't care about civilian deaths. If they did, they wouldn't have attacked on the 7th. They wouldn't have broken the ceasefire. They wouldn't have hidden stockpiles of ammo near schools and hospitals. They wouldn't garrison with civilians.

They wouldn't rape, gang-rape, mutilate and murder-while-raping women.

Hamas = Isis = Taliban. They all need to be wiped from the face of the earth.

[Cha]

8. Rec.. TY

[ShazzieB]

10. All of this!

From what I've read, Hamas is actually pleased when there are high civilian death tolls, because they can use that info to make Israel look bad.

I'm convinced that these murdering bastards truly don't give a good goddamn about how much suffering they cause for Palestinian civilians. They're the kind of zealots who only care about their "cause," which is to wipe out all the Jews in Israel and reclaim every square inch of the country for Palestine. They don't care how many Palestinians are killed, maimed, or subjected to hardship in the process.

[Celerity]

16. Such as: False claims dead Palestinian baby was 'a doll' go viral on social media in the Israel-Hamas disinformation war

Dec 3, 2023

https://www.businessinsider.com/false-claims-dead-palestinian-baby-doll-viral-jerusalem-post-retracts-2023-12

snip

and earlier, this, another similar incident:

17/OCT/2023

Fact Check: Israel Govt Falsely Claims Photos of Slain 4-Year-Old in Gaza Are of a Doll

The claim by the state of Israel’s official X handle that the dead child shown in the viral videos/images is actually a doll is false.

https://thewire.in/world/fact-check-israel-govt-falsely-claims-photos-of-slain-4-year-old-in-gaza-are-of-a-doll

[Oopsie Daisy]

17. They properly retracted the story. Yet people still harp on it while ignoring Hamas' propaganda efforts *

* and how Hamas has intentionally put innocent civilians, in harms way by staging in and under and around hospitals, by storing their weapons in/under/around schools and other public places, by bivouacking in/with and hiding among civilians. It seems that they're getting exactly what they wanted. Why no outrage about that? Hamas = Taliban = Isis and they could end this TODAY if they wanted to, they simply don't want to, do they?

FYI: Gish-gallop posts are a waste of my time and do not fool me. Beyond the subject line, I ignore needlessly long posts with multiple links and that contain images with oversized screen captures and text that's too small to read.

[Celerity]

18. disinfo in war is almost always a 2 way street

and you apparently do not understand the term gish-gallop

I only posted 2 links, 1 each for 2 articles

I posted no text from either article, just the title and the sub title

and the screenshots can be easily read via the most utterly basic of computer skills: right click and then select 'open image in new tab'

[Oopsie Daisy]

19. LOL

Yes I do. I know exactly what it is. I'm not blind.

Nice try.

[Celerity]

20. nothing in that post was gish-gallop

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

During a Gish gallop, a debater confronts an opponent with a rapid series of many specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations, and outright lies in a short space of time, which makes it impossible for the opponent to refute all of them within the format of a formal debate.

In the past (most definitely not in this case however), I have posted some long replies that thoroughly laid out the case I was making at the time.

That said, none of the parts (which I provided links for with which to verify) of those long replies were 'specious arguments, half-truths, misrepresentations, and outright lies'.

Whilst those past replies were sometime copious in terms of the amount of individual components and information imparted, those components were integral and logically linked to the overarching point(s) I was making at that time.

Ergo, they were not gish-gallop,

[Oopsie Daisy]

22. LOL! As I said, I'm not blind... nor am I stupid.

I should also point out that pedantic posts do nothing to advance the discussion. I'll generally ignore those as well. It's been my observation that excessive pedantry (or any other attempt to monopolize or dominate by trying to create an impression of superior knowledge) can actually hinder effective communication and in the end, not contribute positively to the overall discussion. On a personal level, whether online or in person, I take less seriously individuals who use such tactics.

[Celerity]

24. this is not a rebuttal:

LOL! As I said, I'm not blind... nor am I stupid.

It is just repetition of a previously made positing in support of your false claim that I engaged in gish-gallop in my first reply to you. My initial reply to you contained none of the elements of gish-gallop.

As for the rest, it is ironic that you chose to inject the concept of pedantry into the colloquy, when actual pedantry has been one of the more oft-used tactics employed by the same small group of posters with whom I most often have engaged in contentious debate with over my years here.

pedantry:

excessive concern with minor details and rules

My lengthy posts in the past were making big picture points, thoroughly fleshed out with hard evidence, and were not at all reliant on an obsession with minor (and often non-germane) details. Those replies of mine were often met with actual pedantry, obscurantism, and thread-based misdirection/water-muddying. A veritable cornucopia of sophistry, sometimes interspersed with ad hominem for added spiciness.

you said:

trying to create an impression of superior knowledge

Again, that is pejorative slanting of posts that simply contained a lot of factual evidence. I made no claims of superiority, I just laid out my case in a logical and documented manner. If my (at times) thoroughness of reply is a modus operandi that you take issue with, do realise that taking issue with that in no way is an actually effect rebuttal. It is just your personal opinion about style, and an attempt at diminishment of evidence that you may not like, done via the logical fallacy of an appeal to your personal feelings.

you said

On a personal level, whether online or in person, I take less seriously individuals who use such tactics.

That is your clear right to do so, but it is not of concern to me. I am not interacting with you in an attempt to curry favour from you, nor does your stance have the slightest effect on how I have, how I do, and how I will construct my posts and conduct myself on this board.

[Oopsie Daisy]

26. LOL! Thanks for proving and illustrating my previous points.

Perfect timing. I couldn't have done it better myself. That saved me a lot of time.

[Celerity]

30. petitio principii

[Oopsie Daisy]

32. LOL!

[The Magistrate]

45. I Confess, Ma'am, That Often I Do Skim Your Lengthier Comments

I feel safe in doing so because you have shown yourself knowledgeable as you are industrious, and honest in your citations and representations.

[obamanut2012]

46. What in this post is gish galloping?

[Oopsie Daisy]

49. Stick around. Watch closely. You'll see.

[Behind the Aegis]

11. At this point, I even wonder if it matters.

Hamas could open a YouTube page and post videos of their deeds against women and children, and we would still see "but, Israel!" They could announce, "We have a nuke!" and still we would see, "Well, you can't oppress people and not expect this kind of response (actually written here in regard to Oct. 7th). They could take out ad space in the NY Times and, especially their mouthpiece propaganda news source, Al Jazeera Media Network, "We won't stop until all Israeli Jews are dead and gone, then global Jewry will be eradicated too", and still we would see excuses and "but, Israel".

Of course, my favorite are all the lies about how the world and the people supported Israel after Oct. 7th and those silly...um, er, Israelis "squandered" the world's good will.

[LexVegas]

13. Thats Israel's fault. nt

[thucythucy]

27. Any information on who is supplying these weapons?

They can't all be manufactured in Gaza.

[Kennah]

36. From manufacturers of the worlds arms

then through the layers of arms traffickers

[redqueen]

29. Please let there be video.

All the mocking from young people of the footage from under the hospital could do with a responding dose of reality.

[Think. Again.]

33. Great news! ..

...ground forces really are the best way to locate and ferret out substantial weapons caches while also limiting any civilian harm and structural damage to more focused targets, although I did think modern weaponry was more precise than what we've seen, I'm certainly not an expert on such things.

[mcar]

50. Well, that's bad but

what about Israel!!??

[ExciteBike66]

61. Gazas population density is similar to Londons...

Even if hamas didn't exist, the local government would have to store weapons near all sorts of civilian infrastructure...

[Beastly Boy]

63. And then the local government would make civilians subject to Articles 28 and 29 of the 4th Geneva Convention

ART. 28. — The presence of a protected person may not be used
to render certain points or areas immune from military operations.

ART. 29. — The Party to the conflict in whose hands protected
persons may be, is responsible for the treatment accorded to them
by its agents, irrespective of any individual responsibility which may
be incurred

https://www.un.org/en/genocideprevention/documents/atrocity-crimes/Doc.33_GC-IV-EN.pdf

That is assuming they don't use their civilians as human shields.

[The Magistrate]

64. If That Government Neither Levied War Against Israel, Nor Tolerated 'Private Enterprise' In That Line

They could store the weapons anywhere without the least risk to civilians....

[EX500rider]

69. See all the white areas? countryside