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DemocraticPatriot

(4,320 posts)
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 10:29 AM Dec 2023

Former GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger says 'If Trump is nominated, I'll vote for Biden'

Former Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger describes himself as politically "homeless," at odds with a party he views as "anti-constitutionalist." He believes former President Donald Trump will be the 2024 Republican nominee — and if that's the case, Kinzinger intends to vote for President Biden.

::snip::

"I don't even have to hesitate. Do I agree with everything Joe Biden's doing? No, of course not. He's a Democrat. I'm an old-school Republican, I'll say. But I believe he's a good man, and I believe he's focused on the Constitution. I believe he's not looking for reasons to violate the Constitution like Donald Trump is. I wouldn't hesitate at all," he said.


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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/republican-adam-kinzinger-if-trump-is-gop-nominee-vote-for-biden-the-takeout/

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Former GOP Rep. Adam Kinzinger says 'If Trump is nominated, I'll vote for Biden' (Original Post) DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 OP
GOOD!! TSExile Dec 2023 #1
Why would he ever vote for a Republican again? Walleye Dec 2023 #2
Elsewhere in the article, he says he won't for the time being... DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #4
We've coexisted with "decent but wrong" consdervative ty;es Warpy Dec 2023 #16
"fundagelicals" - excellent portmanteau. Incapable of reason because $$$$$. erronis Dec 2023 #20
Because he's pro-assault weapons, anti-abortion, anti-tax on the rich, and anti-immigration Polybius Dec 2023 #18
Exactly... he and the unemployed former Senator from Wyoming are both 90% Trump clones. WarGamer Dec 2023 #22
I think he's the first Republican I've heard actually utter that statement without hedging. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2023 #3
I figured he'd come to that conclusion... 2naSalit Dec 2023 #5
Would be interesting to learn Kinzinger's exact reasons for being a Republican bucolic_frolic Dec 2023 #6
I assume you made that statement SouthernDem4ever Dec 2023 #17
It's Mostly Economics & Foreign Policy ProfessorGAC Dec 2023 #19
Then he's voting for Biden Yavin4 Dec 2023 #7
If he votes for Biden this time that will be a two vote switch for Biden. LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #11
Let us hope he is not alone. I know too many that say they can't pull a lever for Trump or Biden. dutch777 Dec 2023 #8
If they won't vote for either it still works out for Biden. LiberalFighter Dec 2023 #10
I am trying to convince my parents of that. TSExile Dec 2023 #23
You have a challenge but at least they see the error of their ways in Trump. And aren't Fox indoctrinated. dutch777 Dec 2023 #25
This is the bottom line, right here. ShazzieB Dec 2023 #24
The era of conservatives you can disagree with Johonny Dec 2023 #9
Thank you Adam Kinzinger for saying the quiet part out loud FakeNoose Dec 2023 #12
You know what's amazing? The larger their loss, the more they'll scream "steal". erronis Dec 2023 #21
Stanky and The Taints are reeling Ponietz Dec 2023 #13
Knowing how dysfunctional the republican party is, his comment should be, I am voting for Biden, regardless of who Escurumbele Dec 2023 #14
absolutely! nt orleans Dec 2023 #15

Walleye

(30,990 posts)
2. Why would he ever vote for a Republican again?
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 10:36 AM
Dec 2023

The party has treated him so shabbily and shown them selves to be unable to govern

DemocraticPatriot

(4,320 posts)
4. Elsewhere in the article, he says he won't for the time being...
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 10:39 AM
Dec 2023

Kinzinger said he still considers himself a Republican – but only at the margins.

"The only reason I'm not giving up the title is I refuse to let the anti-constitutionalist side win," Kinzinger said. "Every democracy in my mind needs a liberal or a progressive movement and a conservative movement because that tug and pull – that push and pull - is what actually makes a country advance at the right speed – not always perfectly. I'll continue to fight for the GOP but that doesn't mean I'm voting GOP. I'm not because they're an anti-constitutionalist party at the moment."

Warpy

(111,195 posts)
16. We've coexisted with "decent but wrong" consdervative ty;es
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 01:40 PM
Dec 2023

through most of our history and it's worked out as both sides were capable of reasoning and cooperating.

Then fucking Reagan brought in the fundagelicals. They are incapable of reason or compromise because god.

I'm hoping the repeal of Roe does to the GOP what passing desperately needed civil rights legislation did to us, that they're mostly out of power for the next 55 years or so, long enough to restore balance in the economy and undo the other evils perpetrated by Nixon and Reagan.

Time from some justice.

erronis

(15,206 posts)
20. "fundagelicals" - excellent portmanteau. Incapable of reason because $$$$$.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 03:13 PM
Dec 2023

"god" doesn't enter into their calculations.

Polybius

(15,355 posts)
18. Because he's pro-assault weapons, anti-abortion, anti-tax on the rich, and anti-immigration
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 02:17 PM
Dec 2023

Why wouldn't he? He may not be a fascist, but he's a Republican.

2naSalit

(86,439 posts)
5. I figured he'd come to that conclusion...
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 10:41 AM
Dec 2023

At some point. Glad he's telling the world and in a way that might encourage others.

bucolic_frolic

(43,086 posts)
6. Would be interesting to learn Kinzinger's exact reasons for being a Republican
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 10:43 AM
Dec 2023
Is it free enterprise and social issues? Sort of an Abe Lincoln holdover? Aside from social issues and regulations on business, Joe Biden is delivering for Republicans with a booming economy, jobs, workers, profits, growth. What more do they want?

SouthernDem4ever

(6,617 posts)
17. I assume you made that statement
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 02:17 PM
Dec 2023

thinking the GOP has good intentions for the economy, jobs, and workers. They don't. They are all about power and greed. Nothing else.

ProfessorGAC

(64,918 posts)
19. It's Mostly Economics & Foreign Policy
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 02:26 PM
Dec 2023

He still believes the malarkey about low tax & minimal regulation.
He still believes his side is stronger on defense.
It's only slightly social issues with him.
He toed the R line on those things, but he didn't campaign on it.
I live in what used to be his district, so we got all the mailers every other October.
I've met with him a few times. I completely disagree with him on nearly everything, but he's not a frothing mess.
He still thinks low taxes are the answer to everything, though.

LiberalFighter

(50,806 posts)
11. If he votes for Biden this time that will be a two vote switch for Biden.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 12:11 PM
Dec 2023

The more people that voted for Trump last time and vote for Biden in 2024 will be huge. Each person creates a two vote margin between Biden and Trump.

If they voted last time and don't this time it will be a one vote difference.

Either way Biden wins.

dutch777

(2,977 posts)
8. Let us hope he is not alone. I know too many that say they can't pull a lever for Trump or Biden.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 10:59 AM
Dec 2023

They miss the key point that in a two party democracy, sometimes you must vote what is best for the country, of the options available . And Biden may not be perfect, but he is not evil even if you don't agree with all his approaches and policies. Trump is pure evil.

LiberalFighter

(50,806 posts)
10. If they won't vote for either it still works out for Biden.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 12:08 PM
Dec 2023

Especially if they voted for Trump last time.

TSExile

(2,427 posts)
23. I am trying to convince my parents of that.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 03:45 PM
Dec 2023

Praise be to God that they never got into cable news (mostly local news, plus half an hour of Lester Holt or David Muir, and that's it). In 2020, my dad put a T**** sign in our yard. If I had the guts then that I have now, I would have gotten a Biden/Harris sign to put right next to it so people would know we were a bipartisan household.

Mom says she will never vote for T**** again but she says she will stay at home rather than vote for a Democrat. Dad probably will, though he says about 1/6, "I wish T**** had never done it." There you have it.

dutch777

(2,977 posts)
25. You have a challenge but at least they see the error of their ways in Trump. And aren't Fox indoctrinated.
Sat Dec 9, 2023, 10:20 AM
Dec 2023

ShazzieB

(16,311 posts)
24. This is the bottom line, right here.
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 08:15 PM
Dec 2023

"Trump is pure evil."

It's not a matter of simply disagreeing on some issues. Trump absolutely is pure evil, and that is what makes him so scary.

Some DUers talk about Republicans as if all of them are evil, but I don’t agree. Yes, I think they are wrong about a lot of stuff, but wrong doesn't automatically mean evil, especially not the way TFG is evil. Yes, some Republicans are terrible, but I believe there are Republicans who genuinely care about this country, about the rule of law, and about protecting our Constitution and our system of government. Liz Cheney, whose book I'm currently reading, is one of those Republicans, and Adam Kinzinger is another.

Liz and Adam are not the only Republicans who oppose Trump, either. They're exceptional because they have taken a public stand against him and were willing to sacrifice their political careers to do so, and for that they have my respect and even my admiration. But they are not the only ones who agree with us that Trump should never be allowed anywhere near the Oval Office again. I am more than willing to declare a temporary truce while we all work to rid the country of the orange menace.

Johonny

(20,822 posts)
9. The era of conservatives you can disagree with
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 11:07 AM
Dec 2023

But don’t fear ending the USA are essentially over. The last light of the old party have been purged from congress. The new GOP is a cult that seems quite happy to impose a vague Christian theocracy and have simply no interest in governance of that theocracy other than to steer US wealth into their own pockets. I don’t see the GOP as a political option any American can embrace anymore.

FakeNoose

(32,604 posts)
12. Thank you Adam Kinzinger for saying the quiet part out loud
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 12:33 PM
Dec 2023

I believe a lot of Repukes out there are thinking the same thing. Maybe they won't decide to vote for Biden, maybe they'll just abstain from voting at all....

I know that Chump - or any other Repuke candidate for that matter - will fall short next year. Chump will receive way fewer votes in 2024 than 2020 or 2016.

Another prediction: if Repukes decide to use the mailed ballot next year, it will result in more votes for Biden and fewer for Chump.

erronis

(15,206 posts)
21. You know what's amazing? The larger their loss, the more they'll scream "steal".
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 03:16 PM
Dec 2023

There's got to be these guidances in Roger Stone's (Putin's) playbook.

Anyone have copies of old KGB/FSB/GRU manuals?

Escurumbele

(3,379 posts)
14. Knowing how dysfunctional the republican party is, his comment should be, I am voting for Biden, regardless of who
Fri Dec 8, 2023, 12:48 PM
Dec 2023

the GOP nominee is. All the candidates for the GOP nomination are, not only crazy, but lack principles and morals, none of them are fit for the office of the president, and he knows that.

They are all catering to the republicans mindless base, it is disgusting and embarrassing.

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