Trump is singlehandedly destroying our

[leftyladyfrommo]

legal system. He pays absolutely no attention to any laws. Then just plows over the top of lawyers and judges that have to abide by laws.

I just don't understand how one man has been able to do so much damage.

[Skittles]

1. I don't get it either

what are they so afraid of, THROW HIS IN-CONTEMPT CORRUPT FUCKING ASS IN JAIL WHERE HE BELONGS already

[Magoo48]

19. Silver lining

We are all being reminded of the dangers and frustrations of our two-tiered justice system.

[wishstar]

2. Seems Hunter Biden could be convicted and sent to prison before Trump goes to trial

I have had that thought for a long time. Trump successfully managed to pay zero or miniscule taxes for decades without an audit or any serious scrutiny by IRS even when claiming large totally unsubstantiated cash deductions.

[bucolic_frolic]

5. We're left guessing

Any bottlenecks or chokepoints in his path are bribed or threatened? Speculative to be sure, but it would keep them quiet.

[bucolic_frolic]

3. My imprecise response is 'fear'

He sees beyond hard rules and always countermoves. Fear and money and power. It's a legal blitzkrieg strategy. It's Hitleresque. Something very dark and unexplained going on?

[Walleye]

4. Yes, along with his many disciples, like Ken Paxton for example

[leftyladyfrommo]

6. I think I just read that he paid $400,000

to his top witness.

I think that the judges are actually afraid that someone or many someones could get killed.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. I read it was over $900K, at 1350.00 / hr. Second most was about 800K at 1000 /hr

State witness got $350K.

(from fallible memory of reading today)

[RAB910]

7. It's not "single handedly", it's with the help of the entire Republican party

[EYESORE 9001]

9. Plus powerful entities who prefer remaining anonymous

Plus every member of the Evil Dicktater Klub. Lookin’ at you, Poot. Plus every terrorist organization on the planet plotting to improve their position as a result of chaos of any sort, anywhere around the world.

[Sailingdiver]

12. And the media

They are as complicit as the gop.

[RAB910]

13. True

you have the toxic right-wing propaganda machine posing as media

And the Republican loving mainstream media has bent over backward to normalize Trump's criminal and treasonous behavior

[Lonestarblue]

32. And that party is planning their future destruction of democracy.

The Guardian has an article today about disgusting and depraved Stephen Miller recruiting corrupt lawyers to serve Trump if he is re-elected. Miller also works with Project 2025.

“They’re looking for lawyers who worship Trump and will do his bidding,” Ty Cobb, a former White House lawyer during the Trump years and former justice department official, said. “Trump is looking to Miller to pick people who will be more loyal to Trump than the rule of law.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/dec/08/trump-second-term-lawyers-stephen-miller

[no_hypocrisy]

8. Trump's surrogate father, Roy Cohn, had similar distaste for the American

legal system.

[Patton French]

10. He will continue to wreak havoc until

He is found guilty and locked up, which will happen eventually. The law will win in the end.

[Bucky]

11. You're wrong. He's DEFYING the legal system, but it remains intact

Tougher thugs than Trump have treated the law with contempt. The rule of law is still standing. He might have history's biggest megaphone, but in the end he'll crack. They always do.

[Silent3]

15. Justice delayed is justice denied

It's our legal system that provides Trump with all of those options which are so open to abuse. It's our legal system that gives you all of the "due" process that money can buy (and that walks all over you if you can't afford expensive lawyers). It's our legal system that has so many judges who coddle or even abet Trump.

By the time four years have passed since 1/6, Trump will at most have one trial with time to reach a conviction, and he will not have seen a single day of jail time (if he's ever jailed at all) as endless appeals play out.

But, yeah, "intact".

[Bernardo de La Paz]

34. Only to the extent that one looks at things quantitavely and not binarily.

Justice delayed is justice denied ...

... only proportionately to the delay (and not strictly proportionately to time, affected by related factors).

If justice is delayed by a single day, that does not mean that there is no justice at all. Likewise for a month or a year.
On the flip side, there are some rare situations where justice is actually and completely denied by a delay of a single day. Likewise for a month or a year (each kind of total denial actuality less rare but still not common).

I agree with many points in your post: "option", "abuse", "buy" "coddle", possibly four years, "if he's ever jailed". But slogans like "justice delayed is justice denied", though it is pithy and cogent, must always be considered in the light of reality which is continuously quantified by real numbers, rarely hitting a binary wall.

[Silent3]

45. It doesn't have to be binary, yes/no for it to be a big problem.

As I just in another post, the gravity of the situation means Trump should be treated more like a suspected serial killer by the courts, not like someone who committed tax fraud.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

46. Agreed. . . . nt

[Bucky]

43. What delay?

It may not be happening fast enough for your subjective dislike of the man. But things are complicated in cases involving broad conspiracies and well hidden fraudulent paperwork.

For organized crime activity, the Trump prosecutions are actually moving on a pretty fast track. The investigations were last year, the indictments have been put together this year, and he's going to go to trial next year.

Justice is categorically not being delayed. Yes, Trump has a strategy of trying to drag it out to the other side of the election. But he's availing himself of all the legal protections the law affords every citizen. Because we live under the rule of law, not the rule of men. That's exactly how lawful republics are supposed to deal with society's enemies

[Silent3]

44. The "justice" system often moves faster for people with less money, or who are considered dangerous

Trump should be treated like a serial killer, not like someone who committed tax fraud. He's an enormous danger to our country.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

30. Yes. A second tRump term would see him use every lever he could against the legal system

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Unfortunately, many of the functions of government depend on norms and traditions that make for smooth functioning but are not guarded sufficiently by law.

There is a great analysis of how he'd use those levers here: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218511700 at 36:05.

[redqueen]

14. When you give the richest 1% of the US a $24B tax cut

you make a lot of very powerful friends.

[Farmer-Rick]

31. Exactly this

Trump is willing to do any illegal, immoral or contemptous thing in his efforts to control America.

The-powers-that-be have only their own profits to consider and know he will do their bidding. It's how capitalism works to destroy democracy. The filthy-rich oligarchs want to squeeze every last bit of wealth from America and think Trump can give it to them.

The oligarchs have never been so close to taking over all of America and making it into their little playground as they are right now.... except maybe the civil war. The filthy-rich are so close to having it all, they can taste it.

[2naSalit]

16. He has a LOT of help.

He just gets all the publicity.

[Hope22]

17. Russia are you listening........n/t

[dalton99a]

18. The most toxic and destructive malignancy in U.S. history

Putin chose well.

[doc03]

20. I don't put all the blame on Trump, a lot of it is the cowardly judges that are

afraid to enforce the law. If any one of us would have made the threats and accusations against witnesses, and
officers of the court we would be in jail 2 years ago waiting for trial.

[Demnh2fl]

21. Get Ready

If Trump wins life as we know it will be over. This may seem crazy but we will all be at risk like never before.
The justice system will not save anyone.

[Farmer-Rick]

36. Dust of your passports

You can stay overseas for about 6 months on just a passport (depending on which country you are in).

Then you can apply for a visa to stay longer.

Then when Trump starts putting people in camps, killing liberals and brings back slavery, you can apply for asylum.

[Martin Eden]

22. He's not doing it singlehandedly

He's getting lots of help from fellow fascists in the Republican Party, rightwing media, and useful idiots conned into voting against their own best interests.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

23. No he is not

He is trying to destroy it. Attempting. Important distinction.

The OP is finalist, nihilist. Casting it as attempting is not only more realistic, but less defeatist, more optimistic, more inspiring.

So far the legal system is creaking and groaning mightily, but so far it is holding up. Keep up the good fight, Democrats, liberals, and progressives.

[GiqueCee]

24. Actually, it's quite simple...

... Kkkonservatives have packed the courts with Fellow Travelers that never hesitate to do the bidding of The Heritage Foundation and ALEC in their never-ending quest to turn America into a Randian hellscape modeled on the blasted bowels of Mordor.

Trump is just a useful idiot whose antics serve as misdirection to deflect the American people's attention away from the swine picking their pockets.

[PTL_Mancuso]

25. He is NOTHING without our compliant MSM using him for their $$$. NOTHING.

They will ride him and us into oblivion. Since MSM can claim they are neutral, they think they'll still have good jobs after the coronation they helped bring about as long as they keep singing the company song. The whole drumpfian horror show really is like the toothpaste squeezed out of the tube, or, in this case, the explosive diarrhea out of the butt. Can't put them back where they came from.

[bluestarone]

26. Everyday that goes by, we are reminded about the POWER OF MONEY!

Our court system continues to prove justic delays are bought and paid for. Heaven help us if TFG wins in 24.

[ejbr]

27. The people going against him

are weak. Otherwise, this wouldn't be a thing.

[mucifer]

29. our legal system has always been pretty effed up. This is just another example of how

it is so effed up.

[MLAA]

33. He has had the enormously beneficial help of much of the media.

[Irish_Dem]

35. It's no longer about Trump. It is about the US Criminal Justice system.

We saw the FBI very reluctant to pursue the stolen classified document case, they didn't want
to even go and retrieve them. We saw the same from the DOJ, ignored Trump's crimes for
a couple of years. Now we see judges treating Trump with kid gloves, allowing him to break the law,
refusing to follow court orders with no consequences.

It is a disgusting display.

[doc03]

37. No it is not just him. The Republican party, MSN

and weak-kneed gutless judges.

[Turbineguy]

38. Not alone

he's getting lots of help.

[republianmushroom]

39. It is our 2-tier system that is the problem.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

40. So far TFG's delay tactics are only working with Judge Loose Cannon

[Chautauquas]

41. It's hard to calculate how much damage he's done

I always thought we were too smart to elect an authoritarian scumbag like him, until it happened. I also thought I was not capable of feeling the level of hatred I have for him, until it happened. Unfortunately, the impact he's had on this nation will be felt for a long time.

[Rebl2]

42. Because judges

let him.