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Donkees

(33,733 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 09:55 AM Dec 2023

Israel accused of staging surrender video

Israel has been accused of staging a video purporting to show the surrender of Hamas soldiers.

The footage shows dozens of men stripped to their underwear with Israeli media saying these are Hamas fighters arrested in the Jabalia refugee camp.

One man is seen walking towards a soldier and handing over a rifle and a handgun. The man holds a rifle with his left hand.

However, Al Jazeera’s verification unit Sanad has identified a second take of the same video with the man now holding the rifle with his right hand.



Israel is being accused of staging a video - purporting to show the surrender of Hamas soldiers.

The footage on social media, shows several dozen men stripped to their underwear.
Israeli media say these are Hamas fighters arrested at the Jabalia refugee camp.

Al Jazeera’s Alan Fisher is in the Occupied East Jerusalem for more about this.
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Israel accused of staging surrender video (Original Post) Donkees Dec 2023 OP
Added: Donkees Dec 2023 #1
hmmm.... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #2
They should have picked the hairy guy in zebra briefs instead of muffin-top belly guy Donkees Dec 2023 #3
Ha!... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #4
Correspondent claims Hamas "fighters" POWs mymomwasright Dec 2023 #5
BBC disagrees EX500rider Dec 2023 #6
Al Jazeera carrying water for Hamas? The hell you say! NickB79 Dec 2023 #7
People are making weird choices in all this Sympthsical Dec 2023 #8
Al Jazeera is a Hamas propaganda arm. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #9
Al Jazeera? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #10

Donkees

(33,733 posts)
1. Added:
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 10:04 AM
Dec 2023
The moment the Palestinian arrives at the place where the weapon was dropped, the first video, from Channel 12, shows the Palestinian putting his weapon on the ground without looking left or right and returning to the place of detention.

In the second video, published by Yedioth Ahronoth, the Palestinian arrives at the same place where the weapons were handed over and he looks where the soldiers are and talks to them.
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
2. hmmm....
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 10:12 AM
Dec 2023

The IDF has been extremely active in producing and releasing media to support the narrative of self-defense.

It's almost as though they don't believe the justification for the scope of their offensive themselves...

EX500rider

(12,626 posts)
6. BBC disagrees
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:19 PM
Dec 2023
There's been speculation about the authenticity of footage filmed by Israeli troops in northern Gaza, after two separate clips emerged in which the same man is seen surrendering a gun - but in each video, he holds it in a different hand. We earlier reported suggestions that separate "takes" of the same incident had been produced.

But analysis by BBC Verify - of both videos and additional still images of the same scene - suggests these are sequential events, not separate takes, and the same man is going to and fro bringing different guns to the pavement with their detached magazines (ammunition).

One video - which we know was shot first because of the position of the sun - shows the man placing a gun from his right hand on top of another on the pavement. In the next video, with the sun lower, the man places a different gun on top of those from his left hand. Still images corroborate and bookend this sequence, with one showing the very first gun being placed, and another showing the resulting three guns and magazines on the pavement


https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-middle-east-67672759

NickB79

(20,382 posts)
7. Al Jazeera carrying water for Hamas? The hell you say!
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:22 PM
Dec 2023

It's pretty clear who AJ works for after two months of their reporting.

Sympthsical

(11,017 posts)
8. People are making weird choices in all this
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:23 PM
Dec 2023

When a terrorist organization shows up and asks Westerners to carry their water for them, the customary reply probably shouldn't be, "How much?! Because I brought my own buckets!"

Yet, here we are.

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