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SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:18 AM Dec 2023

Musk Fanboys Melt Down After Ralph Nader-Founded Car Safety Group Trashes Cybertruck

From the Rolling Stone:

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/cybertruck-tesla-elon-musk-car-safety-ralph-nader-1234921888/

Only a select few people who pre-ordered Tesla‘s long-delayed Cybertruck have received one so far — it helps to be Jay Leno, apparently — but fans of the futuristic vehicle have already convinced themselves it’s a flawless product, and another triumph for Elon Musk. And they’re just a tad defensive when someone suggests otherwise.

On Thursday, the Center for Auto Safety took a swipe at the divisive truck in a tweet joking that anyone who drives one is insecure about their “manhood” and was “picked last in gym.” The nonprofit consumer advocacy organization also asserted that the Cybertruck will be “dangerous to everyone else on the road.”

At over 6k lbs no one will ever doubt your manhood again. We get it. You were picked last in gym and now you want revenge. But this isn't the answer. Buying this is why you were picked last. It's desperate and dangerous to everyone else on the road. Stop being picked last. pic.twitter.com/FfsUkz4vbf
— Center for Auto Safety (@Ctr4AutoSafety) December 7, 2023

While the post didn’t specify why the truck could pose a particular hazard, other car safety experts have said that its stiff, stainless-steel panels could contribute to additional damage in collisions with pedestrians, cyclists, and other vehicles. (At the Cybertruck delivery event last month, Musk told prospective owners, “If you have an argument with another car, you will win.”) The truck is currently not available in the European Union due in part to regulatory issues, and a Tesla vice president has confirmed it’s unlikely to ever be sold in that market.

Yet none of these concerns have afflicted Musk’s army of blue-check loyalists on X (formerly Twitter), who also don’t seem to realize that the Center for Auto Safety, founded in 1970 by activist Ralph Nader, and Consumers Union (now Consumers Report), has been instrumental in the recall of millions of defective vehicles and parts in the past half-century.

This can’t be a real organization,” griped one ill-informed Cybertruck defender. “Safest truck ever produced,” replied another, with zero specifics to back up this claim. (Neither U.S. safety regulators nor the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety have tested it to date.) “Ad hominem is always a true indicator of objectivity and critical thinking,” seethed a third. Some paid accounts accused the nonprofit of corruption or being “funded by Big Auto.” (Tesla itself did not immediately respond to a request for comment.)

Read the rest at:
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/cybertruck-tesla-elon-musk-car-safety-ralph-nader-1234921888/

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Musk Fanboys Melt Down After Ralph Nader-Founded Car Safety Group Trashes Cybertruck (Original Post) SouthernDem4ever Dec 2023 OP
Our country is doomed. yardwork Dec 2023 #1
Thoughtless people are still man bites dig when they become dog bites man is when to get concerned uponit7771 Dec 2023 #9
Kick dalton99a Dec 2023 #2
Never Timewas Dec 2023 #3
to me it looks like a tank SouthernDem4ever Dec 2023 #5
Musk might very well add a turret and something high caliber dalton99a Dec 2023 #7
Also Timewas Dec 2023 #11
'missing a turret' (in one's pants) is the appeal. rubbersole Dec 2023 #15
This ironflange Dec 2023 #39
Lucky the boys at Roadkill Garage didn't get a hold of it. We couldn't get it to do burn-outs so, we Hotler Dec 2023 #4
Years ago North Shore Chicago Dec 2023 #6
Hate the truck but.... edisdead Dec 2023 #8
Yes, facts are more effective than ad hominems redqueen Dec 2023 #20
Too true. edisdead Dec 2023 #36
It is ugly but, Woodwizard Dec 2023 #10
They are wasting their time. The smart money is on hydrogen. flashman13 Dec 2023 #12
Hydrogen lost the race a long time ago. tinrobot Dec 2023 #19
I dont think so Woodwizard Dec 2023 #24
No, dumb money is on hydrogen. NNadir Dec 2023 #34
Picking on the weight of the truck seems a little silly, lots of pickups weigh more or the same EX500rider Dec 2023 #13
Nice comment on YouTube: Goodheart Dec 2023 #14
"Musk's army of blue-check loyalists on X (formerly Twitter)" is where I stopped reading flvegan Dec 2023 #16
People. It's people. Just people. twodogsbarking Dec 2023 #18
Yep, followers gonna follow. redqueen Dec 2023 #22
Looks like some boys were drinkin' beers and broke into the sheet metal factory. "Let's make a truck" twodogsbarking Dec 2023 #17
That truck is not just a safety disaster, but it will be a repair disaster. tinrobot Dec 2023 #21
DeLorean numba two. twodogsbarking Dec 2023 #26
The truck is actually a great investment. Stainless steel is a precious metal dalton99a Dec 2023 #41
I wouldn't own one, but the ethics are murky. gulliver Dec 2023 #23
Wow, detestables in opposition: Nader and Musk. NNadir Dec 2023 #25
Musk's despicable rightwing histrionics have turned Teslas Into "MAGA hats on wheels." sop Dec 2023 #27
Tesla used to be ridiculed as a vehicle for the tree huggers. keithbvadu2 Dec 2023 #31
Elon's ignoring gov't regs with impunity SpankMe Dec 2023 #28
What specific government regulations are there against a vehicle being "too strong" ? MichMan Dec 2023 #33
Responses to your points... SpankMe Dec 2023 #44
You didn't answer what regulations are being violated by it being "too strong" MichMan Dec 2023 #45
I hope you had a nice weekend SpankMe Dec 2023 #46
I get that you don't like Musk, but plowing through farmers markets, decapitations, and weaponization of road rage ? MichMan Dec 2023 #47
Delorean with a small truck bed Peachhead22 Dec 2023 #29
The DeLorean failed because it cost too much to manufacture and was underpowered MichMan Dec 2023 #35
Butt ugly. Looks like something a 10 YO would design OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #30
That seems premature HelpImSurrounded Dec 2023 #32
"Serious safety organization" ? MichMan Dec 2023 #37
Pretty much my feeling on seeing it... The Unmitigated Gall Dec 2023 #38
Fuck Nader. I'll be more interested in knowing what Consumer Reports has to say. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #40
Consumer Reports recent articles on EV as an entire category MichMan Dec 2023 #43
For being "car experts"... WarGamer Dec 2023 #42

Timewas

(2,242 posts)
3. Never
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:25 AM
Dec 2023

First it is a musky deal which makes it a no-no, second it is ugly as hell and pretty impractical as a "truck".

Hotler

(11,665 posts)
4. Lucky the boys at Roadkill Garage didn't get a hold of it. We couldn't get it to do burn-outs so, we
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:26 AM
Dec 2023

dropped in a chevy big block.
Their motto; 'doing the wrong thing right.'

North Shore Chicago

(3,547 posts)
6. Years ago
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:32 AM
Dec 2023

I was watching 'The Today Show' with Katie Couric and Bryant Gumbel. They were shooting a segment outdoors when Bryant drove up in a sexy red shiny sports car.

When he gets out, she said, ad libbing here. "Where did you get that testosteroni?"

I laughed my ass off, Bryant looked chagrined.

redqueen

(115,160 posts)
20. Yes, facts are more effective than ad hominems
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:38 PM
Dec 2023

But twitter was designed to reward shit stirring, so...

Woodwizard

(900 posts)
10. It is ugly but,
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:05 PM
Dec 2023

Where I live there are many many posers in giant diesel monsters that just drive to the office.

At least electric vehicle technology is being developed many smart engineers work for Tesla.

tinrobot

(11,121 posts)
19. Hydrogen lost the race a long time ago.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:34 PM
Dec 2023

But, please, put money on it.

While you do that, I'll be taking a long road trip in my EV.

Woodwizard

(900 posts)
24. I dont think so
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:53 PM
Dec 2023

Takes too much energy to split it from water then it needs to be stored either under high pressure or super cold temps.

Battery tech has come a tremendous way in just 20 years.

I have a 13 kw solar system on my shop roof, does the house and shop. If I was to get an electric vehicle I could add more and charge my vehicle with no new tech right now.

NNadir

(33,713 posts)
34. No, dumb money is on hydrogen.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 03:09 PM
Dec 2023

To believe in this fifty year old junk fantasy one needs to be totally oblivious to basic laws of physics.

The fact that this tiresome junk fantasy has been revived officially and otherwise is a reflection of the growing fondness for the lie in these times.

The fondness for batteries is only marginally better.

The laws of thermodynamics demonstrate that energy storage given that we overwhelmingly rely on dangerous fossil fuels for primary energy is making things far worse faster than ever before.

EX500rider

(11,019 posts)
13. Picking on the weight of the truck seems a little silly, lots of pickups weigh more or the same
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:50 PM
Dec 2023
The 2023 RAM 2500 weight rating will depend on the configuration you select, yet its curb weight is between 6,001 pounds to 7,281 pounds.

Goodheart

(5,740 posts)
14. Nice comment on YouTube:
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:57 PM
Dec 2023

"I love how the front end is sharply angled to ensure pedestrians I hit get sheared in half. Elon thinks of every detail."

flvegan

(64,476 posts)
16. "Musk's army of blue-check loyalists on X (formerly Twitter)" is where I stopped reading
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 12:59 PM
Dec 2023

I'll never understand the rush to idolize (to this level) the likes of Musk (and of course Trump, etc) such that the brain just...shuts off reality. Maybe rewrites reality is more proper, I don't know.

tinrobot

(11,121 posts)
21. That truck is not just a safety disaster, but it will be a repair disaster.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:39 PM
Dec 2023

I suspect even a minor fender bender will require loads of money to repair those stainless steel body panels. Insurance costs on those things will be through the roof.

And yet, I have a friend willing to mortgage his house to buy one. The cult of Elon is strong in some parts.

gulliver

(13,279 posts)
23. I wouldn't own one, but the ethics are murky.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 01:50 PM
Dec 2023

Say Person A drives a Tesla truck but only uses it for their construction job as a business vehicle. Every mile they drive risks the life of some person with whom they might have a collision by X%

Person B, on the other hand, rides a bicycle for exercise. Other people have to drive their cars around Person B on occasion, departing their car's lane briefly when they do. Every mile Person B rides their bicycle risks the life of some person who might be involved in a collision due to cars having to drive around the bicycle in traffic by Y%.

Which is greater? X or Y?

Also, Ralph Nader gave us Dubya, which gave us the Iraq War, which gave us ISIS.

And, finally, the article's use of the manhood angle would be funny–if it were funny.

NNadir

(33,713 posts)
25. Wow, detestables in opposition: Nader and Musk.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 02:12 PM
Dec 2023

The unifying factor is that both men were praised as heros on our end of the political spectrum only to turn out to be, well, detestables.

Interestingly both are irretrievably connected to the car CULTure.

sop

(11,073 posts)
27. Musk's despicable rightwing histrionics have turned Teslas Into "MAGA hats on wheels."
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 02:17 PM
Dec 2023

People used to think Teslas were cool, but the more Elon opens his mouth, the more embarrassing it is to drive one.

SpankMe

(3,076 posts)
28. Elon's ignoring gov't regs with impunity
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 02:20 PM
Dec 2023

About the time this truck started taking deposits online, there were bits and pieces being published about lack of compliance of the initial design to several gov''t safety standards. They talked about how it was hard to enforce because Tesla claimed it was still "in development" and hadn't finalized production concepts yet. (The CyberTruck at that stage was essentially like an airplane classified as "experimental" and thus exempt from most safety standards until it's ready to be offered for sale to the public.)

Some of the concerns were, in fact, that the main structure of the vehicle was too strong and that - while it protected the occupants well - it presented a much bigger hazard to everything else on the road. It was like getting a tank certified to operate on public roads.

Articles speculated on decapitations and other gruesome injuries to other vehicles and even non-vehicle structures (like plowing through farmers markets) that were more likely with Cyber than with other vehicles due to its height, weight and structural stiffness. They talked about how this invincibility would goad Cyber drivers to drive more aggressively and assist in the weaponization of road rage.

I'd urge personal injury lawyers to start studying this in detail right now and position themselves to win lawsuits in preparation for the coming bloodbath.

MichMan

(12,320 posts)
33. What specific government regulations are there against a vehicle being "too strong" ?
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 03:05 PM
Dec 2023

Using that logic about it destroying other vehicles and property; how is it that Semi Trucks are allowed to be sold? Surely, they would inflict much more damage than a Tesla Cybertruck.


Also, since when are vehicles required to confirm to safety standards before they are ever released for production and sold? How are they able to do crash test studies on something that isn't a production intent vehicle for instance?

Are you suggesting that the DOT under Sec Buttigieg is permitting Tesla to violate vehicle safety regulations that will harm consumers?

SpankMe

(3,076 posts)
44. Responses to your points...
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 10:45 PM
Dec 2023
1. Using that logic about it destroying other vehicles and property; how is it that Semi Trucks are allowed to be sold? Surely, they would inflict much more damage than a Tesla Cybertruck.

Semi trucks are a completely different class of vehicle and they do, in fact, have their own set of federally mandated safety regulations to offer protection to other vehicles and property. They are subject to more operational constraints than passenger vehicles, and they are required to have certain safety features that don't apply to ordinary passenger vehicles.

One example is that if the trailer becomes inadvertently separated from the tractor during operation (i.e., the 5th wheel connection fails), the brakes on the trailer are required to get applied automatically so that the trailer doesn't run away and wipe out a busload of nuns on the highway. This is usually achieved by a pneumatic connection between the tractor and trailer that holds the brake open against a spring force. When that line breaks in the event of a separation, the pneumatic pressure is relieved allowing the spring to close the brake and stop the trailer.

Another example is that semi's have to meet certain bumper height requirements so that passenger vehicles that hit the trailers in the rear at high speed can't go under the trailer and decapitate persons in the passenger vehicle. This is done by integrating a special lowered rear bumper apparatus, sometimes called a rear impact guard, as shown below:



This is supposed to help prevent, or minimize, this sort of thing:



There is a whole raft of other special safety regs that apply to trucks that don't apply to cars.

I contend that the robust structure of Cyber and other features incumbent to its unusual form factor present enough of a mismatch to other passenger vehicles on the road that it may fall under new sets of safety regulations that Tesla (Musk) would try to fight off.

2. Also, since when are vehicles required to confirm to safety standards before they are ever released for production and sold?

They aren't. But best practice during product development includes working with government regulators as you go along so they can provide early insight into compliance with safety regulations. If you don't allow the government insight, then you may be baking flaws into the design that will require a lot of negative work, redesign or re-tooling of your production line before release to the public. This would cause significant delays and added costs. Musk has a habit of springing final designs and prototypes on the government late, and then peppering the gov't with waiver requests and exceptions while whining that it takes too much money and time to fix them...and then suing the government when he doesn't get his way.

My point here is that on some occasions when the government asked for information so they could keep pace with their regulatory function, Tesla had a habit of brushing them off by saying that the failure scenarios being questioned "weren't credible" (without providing justification or analysis) or that "your rules don't apply because it's a development article" - and the the government would find that the production article looks just like the development article.

3. Are you suggesting that the DOT under Sec Buttigieg is permitting Tesla to violate vehicle safety regulations that will harm consumers?

No. I'm suggesting no such thing. The development of CyberTruck started under Obama and proceeded through Trump's DOT. I'm sure Sec. Buttigieg's DOT will do all it can to keep Tesla compliant. But, Pete's entering the game late, and any safety surprises at this stage might be harder to enforce. Don't underestimate Musk's arrogance, intransigence and resistance to government rules and regulations. If his truck starts generating some tragic statistics he will find ways to overpower the government and get out of liability as well as avoid the implementation of any new safety regulations. Because he's an asshole.

I'm anti-Musk, but I'm not anti-Tesla or anti-tech. CyberTruck - good or bad - will be a bridge to the next important thing in EV tech.

MichMan

(12,320 posts)
45. You didn't answer what regulations are being violated by it being "too strong"
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 11:23 PM
Dec 2023

1) The complaint about the Cybertruck in reference to being a danger to other vehicles was because it was said to be "too strong" and also heavy. I mentioned semi trucks because they are a) Much stronger construction than any light truck (including the Tesla) and b) much heavier by tons over the Tesla. Semi trucks with an empty trailer weigh 35,000 lbs and fully loaded can weigh 80,000 lbs. Yet, they legally share the roads daily with every other vehicle. If a Cybertruck is dangerous due to its weight, it is miniscule compared to Semis.

While your examples of semi truck regulations, with trailer rear bumpers, and brakes on trailers, if they get detached are true, neither one of those has any relevance to a Tesla Cybertruck or any other pickup truck for that matter.

2) No auto manufacturer wants to find out that the vehicle they designed will not meet NHTSA and DOT standards and thus not allowed to be sold to the public. If they end up being non compliant, the government will not permit them to be sold, period making life very uncomfortable for Tesla engineers. If something gets discovered after the fact, there will be forced recalls that are extremely expensive. Ask Volkswagen, who got fined $48 billion for dieselgate.

3) If you want to believe that NHTSA and DOT under Sec. Buttigeig, are somehow afraid of Musk, and will cave in to any strong armed demands of his to subvert regulations, that is your choice. I believe that is ludicrous and an insult to the people that work on those agencies.

I personally would never buy a pickup truck and I think the Cybertruck is a little over the top, but the reasons given in the OP against it are ridiculous. The Cybertruck has a similar weight and towing capacity as the trucks sold by Ford, Chevrolet, Dodge and Toyota which have millions of them driving the roads daily.

SpankMe

(3,076 posts)
46. I hope you had a nice weekend
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 01:17 AM
Dec 2023

I never said, or implied, that Sec. Buttigieg's DOT was afraid of Musk or would cave in to any demands. The fact that you reworked my statements into something I never said or meant, and then accused me of insulting the people of DOT with the words YOU invented and then re-assigned back to me, tells me you just want to pick a fight. It seems like you're not really reading what I'm saying and trying to understand my larger points. Rather, you're just twisting it up and picking a fight over every minute detail.

My assertion that Musk strongarms the government and sues to get his way has already been borne out by the manner in which he (SpaceX) obtained DoD launches without Falcon 9 being certified by the then Air Force Space Command.

(Recall that the DoD awarded SpaceX zero launches during a competitive bidding process four or five years ago in part because Falcon 9 didn't have enough successful launches under its belt at the time and because Falcon 9 was out of compliance with large portions of launch system requirements identified in military specifications. He developed his rocket as a purely commercial launch vehicle thinking that was good enough for DoD launches, only to find out that the military had more stringent requirements in many areas.)

Musk then sued the government, and also went crying to congress with bags full of money (my way of saying lots of lobbying power and campaign donations) and got a do-over on the bidding process. Many DoD requirements mysteriously got waived, or were otherwise "mitigated" with some very cosmetic changes... and "poof"...he won a large block of launches that second time around. This is factually true.

The fact that he did an end run around DoD by going to the courts and to his congressional cronies - and won - doesn't constitute "an insult" to the people that work in the DoD. They were steamrolled.

One of my points is that the current DOT has inherited a mature program with many vehicle features so deeply baked-in that if the current DOT finds issues that can't be easily changed, Musk's SOP is to fight it - by suing and lobbying congress, just like he did with SpaceX - and steamroll the DOT just like he did to the DoD. This isn't a slam of Sec. Buttigieg or DOT civil servants.

Above, you said that "no auto manufacturer wants to find out that the vehicle they designed will not meet NHTSA and DOT standards and thus not allowed to be sold to the public". Have you read anything about Elon Musk lately? Do you think he gives a shit if his cars and trucks are in total compliance with NHTSA and DOT standards? I think he mostly does. He gives it a good try. But when a requirement feels too stringent to him he just wants it waived and calls it "oppression" when the government won't budge.

I don't think we're getting anywhere with this discussion. You can throw a parting shot for the other readers. But, I'm not interested in responding any further.

Thanks, and have a good week.

MichMan

(12,320 posts)
47. I get that you don't like Musk, but plowing through farmers markets, decapitations, and weaponization of road rage ?
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 03:36 AM
Dec 2023

Seriously?

"Some of the concerns were, in fact, that the main structure of the vehicle was too strong and that - while it protected the occupants well - it presented a much bigger hazard to everything else on the road. It was like getting a tank certified to operate on public roads.

Articles speculated on decapitations and other gruesome injuries to other vehicles and even non-vehicle structures (like plowing through farmers markets) that were more likely with Cyber than with other vehicles due to its height, weight and structural stiffness. They talked about how this invincibility would goad Cyber drivers to drive more aggressively and assist in the weaponization of road rage."


Those comments are ridiculous, considering that the Cybertruck is similar in size and weight to millions and millions of other vehicles that are on the roads daily.

Peachhead22

(1,078 posts)
29. Delorean with a small truck bed
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 02:20 PM
Dec 2023

The Delorean may have looked "futuristic" in the mid 80s. But it quickly failed. The Cybertruck is just a Delorean with a small truck bed and normal doors.

MichMan

(12,320 posts)
35. The DeLorean failed because it cost too much to manufacture and was underpowered
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 03:20 PM
Dec 2023

Thus sales volumes were not sufficient to make it viable financially.

It was anticipated to be a high performance sports car at the same price as a Corvette. Instead it had a Peugeot V6 engine, making its performance rather sedate, and cost between $25k and $29k in 1981 dollars (equivalent to $90k today) The price was considerably higher than they had projected it to be. Not enough buyers were interested in an overpriced, slow sports car for some reason.

HelpImSurrounded

(447 posts)
32. That seems premature
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 03:05 PM
Dec 2023

While I fully expect this beast to fulfill the fantasy of being a multifaceted disaster, I would think a serious safety organization would hold its decision until it had actual data to share.

MichMan

(12,320 posts)
37. "Serious safety organization" ?
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 03:27 PM
Dec 2023

IMO, I think it is a dumb vehicle, but based on that statement, they sure don't act like a serious safety organization.

Oopsie Daisy

(3,224 posts)
40. Fuck Nader. I'll be more interested in knowing what Consumer Reports has to say.
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:50 PM
Dec 2023

Or, alternately, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. https://www.nhtsa.gov

MichMan

(12,320 posts)
43. Consumer Reports recent articles on EV as an entire category
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 07:24 PM
Dec 2023
Consumer Reports pummels EV reliability, says hybrids have significantly fewer problems. Electric vehicles may be the future, but in some ways they look a lot like the past. Particularly reliability.

That’s the bottom line from Consumer Reports’ eagerly anticipated annual reliability survey, which sounds like an ‘80s tribute act: the top tier, brands credited with excellent or very good reliability, is dominated by Japanese automakers, with a smattering of Europeans and a South Korean.Unlike those bad old days, though, the culprits are advanced electronics, not oil leaks and faulty transmissions.

Electric vehicles are among the worst offenders.“The problems with internal combustion engines are mostly sorted,” Jake Fisher, Consumer Reports senior director of testing, told me. “The new problems are mostly associated with electronics: Electric vehicles that use brand new platforms and power trains.”


[link:https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/consumer-reports-pummels-ev-reliability-says-hybrids-have-significantly-fewer-problems/ar-AA1kJU4e|

Consumer Reports: Nearly Half of EVs in Our Highway-Only Range Test Fell Short of Their EPA Estimates.

Range anxiety—the fear that an electric vehicle (EV) couldn’t go enough miles on a charge—is a key factor that’s deterring Americans from going all-electric, according to 54 percent of adults in a 2022 national-representative survey by Consumer Reports (CR), the nonprofit research, testing, and consumer advocacy organization. CR today announced exclusive new testing results that could help allay some of that anxiety: When driven at a constant highway speed of 70 mph, CR’s testers found that some EVs can travel significantly farther than their advertised ranges—one model by more than 70 miles.

Of the 22 EVs tested by CR so far, nearly half fall short of their EPA-estimated ranges when driven at highway speeds. CR’s engineers found the biggest difference in range with the Ford F-150 Lightning pickup truck: Its battery ran out after just 270 miles—a 50-mile difference from the EPA estimate.

On the other hand, some vehicles from BMW and Mercedes-Benz beat their EPA-estimated ranges by more than 40 miles, including the BMW iX and BMW i4, and the Mercedes-Benz EQE 350 4MATIC.


[link:https://www.consumerreports.org/media-room/press-releases/2023/12/consumer-reports-nearly-half-of-evs-in-our-highway-only-range-test-fell-short-of-their-epa-estimates/|

WarGamer

(13,463 posts)
42. For being "car experts"...
Sun Dec 10, 2023, 04:54 PM
Dec 2023

They don't seem to understand that the CT weighs considerably LESS than a lot of it's competitors... including the Hummer EV which is way HEAVIER.... 9000lb+ IIRC.

Let me clarify.

A Hummer EV weighs as much as a Cybertruck with a Toyota Corolla in the bed.

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