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#SCOTUS has *granted* Jack Smith's motion to expedite the petition for certiorari before judgment (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 OP
I'm confused. Why would the SC even ask TFG for a response? bluestarone Dec 2023 #1
It is really Trump's appeal, gab13by13 Dec 2023 #4
Yea your right. bluestarone Dec 2023 #10
I think we've all had enough of D. Trump. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #16
This is standard LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #5
Yea, like i stated above, i guess bluestarone Dec 2023 #11
Because that is how the court system works. nt Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #39
So they can't be accused of perusing second hand " common knowledge". jaxexpat Dec 2023 #57
We're a nation of laws. Even for orange jackasses. paleotn Dec 2023 #60
We are a Nation of laws COL Mustard Dec 2023 #84
To stop appeals or at least win them. lindysalsagal Dec 2023 #85
Thank the gods for Jack Smith gab13by13 Dec 2023 #2
That they are not sitting on this and letting it go through the appeals court first tells me hlthe2b Dec 2023 #3
I agree, gab13by13 Dec 2023 #7
I too have claudette Dec 2023 #8
The last time this happened malaise Dec 2023 #17
I think, so far, that the SC has shown a lack of interest in protecting D. Trump, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #25
They're aware of that criminal defendant's intent to proclaim himself Justice matters. Dec 2023 #69
If..... wally baby Dec 2023 #88
Jack Smith is playing chess (in the legal sense) while tfg's lawyers are playing checkers. alwaysinasnit Dec 2023 #6
please, more like chutes and ladders Sailingdiver Dec 2023 #75
... alwaysinasnit Dec 2023 #78
GOOD!!!! Maeve Dec 2023 #9
This is not good news for Trump Jarqui Dec 2023 #12
I am glad that you are so confidednt in the SC doing the right thing. I ain't there yet. Chainfire Dec 2023 #32
And would claudette Dec 2023 #42
They could pull a Bush vs. Gore ruling Wednesdays Dec 2023 #92
I wouldn't be sure of ANYTHING regarding this SC Skittles Dec 2023 #81
Off to the greatest page malaise Dec 2023 #13
This is something we can all agree on gab13by13 Dec 2023 #19
Gee whiz! malaise Dec 2023 #24
I like it!! bdamomma Dec 2023 #49
Love this Christmas song 😀 malaise Dec 2023 #54
You have just made that pellucidly clear! madinmaryland Dec 2023 #26
Ha😀 malaise Dec 2023 #28
I love that phrase! madinmaryland Dec 2023 #36
Stole it from our union rep malaise Dec 2023 #37
Trump was hoping any SC review would happen after Iowa Prairie Gates Dec 2023 #14
Game on. C_U_L8R Dec 2023 #15
He will be staying home for the next election malaise Dec 2023 #21
That was quick. dalton99a Dec 2023 #18
I am not a litigator but have worked on a summary judgement that took 5 years to go through appeals LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #23
Damn straight it was quick. paleotn Dec 2023 #62
The SC scum are in a heap of trouble for starters. MOMFUDSKI Dec 2023 #20
I was thinking along the same lines gab13by13 Dec 2023 #31
I agree with every word, pretty much frames entire reactions on this news. I'm quite impressed with Smith. n/t msfiddlestix Dec 2023 #70
All I want for Christmas is SCOTUS to confirm Trump was not and is not a King. MLAA Dec 2023 #22
And THAT ruling........ MyOwnPeace Dec 2023 #63
Oh, yes, yes it would blow him and his overworked bronzer out of the water! MLAA Dec 2023 #67
Does an all caps Truth Social screed count as a response?? tanyev Dec 2023 #27
WOW, who knew this SC could actually move that fast. Bev54 Dec 2023 #29
Turn on Ari now n/t malaise Dec 2023 #30
Ari needs to phone in a call gab13by13 Dec 2023 #34
Two of them are on with him malaise Dec 2023 #45
Tonight MSNBC shows will be fun LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #33
Tweet mot found... littlemissmartypants Dec 2023 #61
This message was self-deleted by its author ancianita Dec 2023 #66
SCOTUS wants to lay down the marker Mordred Dec 2023 #35
lol! yep! ecstatic Dec 2023 #46
Yeppers. only they get to say who is above the law, too. msfiddlestix Dec 2023 #71
"The last time this happened" J_William_Ryan Dec 2023 #38
Two good ones coming up on Ari gab13by13 Dec 2023 #40
But the big question is "How is this Bad for Biden?" usonian Dec 2023 #41
Federalist society JustTooMuch Dec 2023 #43
If they do this, Biden can just not leave and start booting recons and then pass everything we want. See how that works. onecaliberal Dec 2023 #44
Doesn't mean cert. will be granted but this is lightning speed & a bad sign for Trump LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #47
Slobby is fucked malaise Dec 2023 #58
does this mean that the same lawyers who forgot to check the box... mike_c Dec 2023 #48
That was an internet myth. former9thward Dec 2023 #59
So -- as I understand it: AverageOldGuy Dec 2023 #50
They were given a week, not 48 hrs. n/t intheflow Dec 2023 #87
DC Circuit sets an even faster schedule for briefing on special counsel motion to expedite immunity appeal at that level LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #51
Buy stock in ketchup, gab13by13 Dec 2023 #52
Woohoo! n/t iluvtennis Dec 2023 #53
Supreme Court Will Consider Taking Up Trump's Immunity Claims In Jan. 6 Criminal Case LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #55
Anything legal that only greases TFG'd skids is a good thing. marble falls Dec 2023 #56
They have not decided to hear if Anal Fistula has immunity. This is a petition to decide if they should decide that 3Hotdogs Dec 2023 #64
The SC has taken the appeal gab13by13 Dec 2023 #73
Trump: black checker from square 11 to square 15 Torchlight Dec 2023 #65
I think this is good news. Smith wants to cut through the bullship flashman13 Dec 2023 #68
K&R spanone Dec 2023 #72
This IS NOT a done deal.... reACTIONary Dec 2023 #74
5 justices voted to expedite the appeal gab13by13 Dec 2023 #76
Which 5? edhopper Dec 2023 #77
If they wanted to that, they would treat case as normal case LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #79
No Justice has voted to expidite the appeal... reACTIONary Dec 2023 #86
Prof Tribe and Andrew Weismann both discussed that it takes five votes to grant expedited review LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #83
Well, if they *do* decide to take the case intrepidity Dec 2023 #80
Great Panel for DC Court of Appeals for Special Prosecutor Jack Smith LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #82
I think they are likely to rule against Chump TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #89
The timing of the SCOTUS docket looks favorable to Jack Smith LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #90
I only wish this had come to pass a year ago. jaxexpat Dec 2023 #91

bluestarone

(22,178 posts)
1. I'm confused. Why would the SC even ask TFG for a response?
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:35 PM
Dec 2023

They have witnessed EVERYTHING this TRAITOR has done many times over? THIS is bullshit.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
16. I think we've all had enough of D. Trump.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:47 PM
Dec 2023

This is going to be interesting, I think D. Trump is going to get the proverbial ass kicking.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
57. So they can't be accused of perusing second hand " common knowledge".
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:55 PM
Dec 2023

On the bright side, it allows Trump to bury himself and makes the neo cons on the USSC have to lie in the public venue should they rule against logic and the will of the people.

I wonder, are the justices armed with conventional weapons? The internecene type arguments could get rambunctious.

paleotn

(22,214 posts)
60. We're a nation of laws. Even for orange jackasses.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:57 PM
Dec 2023

He has a right to respond, as do we all.

COL Mustard

(8,218 posts)
84. We are a Nation of laws
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 04:07 AM
Dec 2023

At least for now. If the Supreme Court decides that TFG has immunity from prosecution, then we are no longer a Nation of laws. It’s that serious.

hlthe2b

(113,965 posts)
3. That they are not sitting on this and letting it go through the appeals court first tells me
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:35 PM
Dec 2023

they very likely DO want to see this trial before the election... I do not think that is a stretch.

 

claudette

(5,455 posts)
8. I too have
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:38 PM
Dec 2023

a glimmer of hope. Since Dump views the Supremes as HIS court he probably won't object to them deciding now.

Sal_NV

(606 posts)
25. I think, so far, that the SC has shown a lack of interest in protecting D. Trump,
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:54 PM
Dec 2023

all of his appeals to the SC during his false accusations of stolen/fraudulent election were denied and that's probably going to happen again.

Justice matters.

(9,787 posts)
69. They're aware of that criminal defendant's intent to proclaim himself
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 08:53 PM
Dec 2023

dicktraitor on day one if he wins the EC, thus threatening their own powers to become irrelevant forever...

They may be corrupt (the rw ones) but they're not stupid... they won't render themselves to the bin of History to save that creepy criminal's ass. They know what he's done and why he's seeking a second term to shield himself from going to prison for life.

wally baby

(19 posts)
88. If.....
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 11:02 AM
Dec 2023

SCOTUS rules in favor of TFG, won't that give Joe Biden authority to do whatever the hell he wants? Declare martial law without reason, challenge the election, run roughshod over the constitution?

Jarqui

(10,909 posts)
12. This is not good news for Trump
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:42 PM
Dec 2023

I cannot imagine SCOTUS concluding the President is above the law.
That would diminish everything SCOTUS stands for

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
32. I am glad that you are so confidednt in the SC doing the right thing. I ain't there yet.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:04 PM
Dec 2023

Wednesdays

(22,602 posts)
92. They could pull a Bush vs. Gore ruling
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:09 PM
Dec 2023

and say that their ruling applies ONLY to this one case!

malaise

(296,101 posts)
54. Love this Christmas song 😀
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:53 PM
Dec 2023

Been singing it since the 60s long before 8 saw snow😀

Prairie Gates

(8,156 posts)
14. Trump was hoping any SC review would happen after Iowa
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:44 PM
Dec 2023

This throws a wrench into his nonsense, fa sho.

malaise

(296,101 posts)
21. He will be staying home for the next election
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:50 PM
Dec 2023

He’s right not to show up for the debates.
Down he goes

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,858 posts)
23. I am not a litigator but have worked on a summary judgement that took 5 years to go through appeals
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:52 PM
Dec 2023

It was a fun case but it took over 5 years to go through court of appeals and then to Texas Supreme Court where the other side had seven law firms on the filing to the Texas Supreme Court

This speed surprised me and made me smile

paleotn

(22,214 posts)
62. Damn straight it was quick.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 08:00 PM
Dec 2023

That will make someone shit their diapers. Or throw more ketchup.

 

MOMFUDSKI

(7,080 posts)
20. The SC scum are in a heap of trouble for starters.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 06:50 PM
Dec 2023

Now comes Jack daring them to fuck this case against orange clown up. He is playing chess with the SC. Once he gets the lay of the land he will know how to proceed or not. He wants their FINAL ANSWER. And he wants it pretty much now.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
31. I was thinking along the same lines
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:03 PM
Dec 2023

I think that Robert’s maybe trying to save his legacy? His court is taking a beating.

msfiddlestix

(8,178 posts)
70. I agree with every word, pretty much frames entire reactions on this news. I'm quite impressed with Smith. n/t
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 09:15 PM
Dec 2023

rec'n your post

MyOwnPeace

(17,555 posts)
63. And THAT ruling........
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 08:01 PM
Dec 2023

would pretty much call it a game. He's been hiding behind "I AM THE PRESIDENT" for every one of his cases/charges. The Supremes ruling against him on this simply blows him out of the water and lets the hammer of justice fall on his fat f**king orange head!

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
34. Ari needs to phone in a call
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:06 PM
Dec 2023

To some of the contributing msnbc judges and prosecutors.

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #33)

Mordred

(231 posts)
35. SCOTUS wants to lay down the marker
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:11 PM
Dec 2023

that the only absolute immunity in the US belongs to the Supreme Court itself and no one else.

ecstatic

(35,075 posts)
46. lol! yep!
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:33 PM
Dec 2023

They are the only kings here. Actually, I think they view themselves as Gods now.

J_William_Ryan

(3,496 posts)
38. "The last time this happened"
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:18 PM
Dec 2023

This current Court has exhibited contempt for settled, accepted precedent.

Count me among the pessimists who believe this corrupt, partisan Court will do the wrong thing again.

usonian

(25,319 posts)
41. But the big question is "How is this Bad for Biden?"
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:26 PM
Dec 2023

So, he can’t order an orb and sceptre?
No divine right or presidents?
What a shame.

So, I looked up “orb and sceptre” and DuckDuckGo gave me these results.



I’ve got to reinvent this crap internet.

JustTooMuch

(47 posts)
43. Federalist society
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:30 PM
Dec 2023

In my opinion, for what it’s worth, the repub appointees of the SC are beholden to the federalist society. Major donor of this group is Koch. They are backing a Nikki Haley bid for the presidency. The former fool is toast.

 

onecaliberal

(36,594 posts)
44. If they do this, Biden can just not leave and start booting recons and then pass everything we want. See how that works.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:31 PM
Dec 2023

mike_c

(37,051 posts)
48. does this mean that the same lawyers who forgot to check the box...
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:36 PM
Dec 2023

...for a jury trial are going to find themselves arguing before the SCOTUS? I'd buy a ticket to watch that!

former9thward

(33,424 posts)
59. That was an internet myth.
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:56 PM
Dec 2023

From the Judge himself:

On Oct. 11, Following the initial publication of this fact check, Engoron addressed this issue from the bench, saying that "it would not have helped to make a motion" and that "nobody forgot to check off a box."

https://www.snopes.com/news/2023/10/03/trumps-lawyers-forget-check-box/

AverageOldGuy

(3,835 posts)
50. So -- as I understand it:
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:45 PM
Dec 2023

-- Smith filed asking the court to decide whether or not Trump has immunity.
-- SCOTUS -- within minutes -- accepted Smith's filing and gave Trump's lawyers 48 hours to respond.

So, seems to me as though SCOTUS is ready to get this decided.

As I understand it, SCOTUS will have both parties' written arguments in hand after Trump responds Wednesday. Then, SCOTUS could; (1) study the filings, hold a hearing with oral arguments, discuss the matter among themselves, and issue a ruling sometime before the end of the term, Oct 2024; OR,
(2) study the filings and issue a ruling immediately with or without a hearing; OR,
(3) some combination of (1) and (2).

I'm going out on a limb here and predicting SCOTUS will slap the shit out of Trump in a matter of days, likely without even oral arguments.

And how will Trump react when one, two, or all three justices he appointed turn him down?

I'm loading up on popcorn and champagne.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,858 posts)
51. DC Circuit sets an even faster schedule for briefing on special counsel motion to expedite immunity appeal at that level
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:47 PM
Dec 2023

TFG's attorneys will be busy. This makes me smile




gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
52. Buy stock in ketchup,
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:48 PM
Dec 2023

The end of Jan. Judge Engeron will have calculated Trump’s financial damages.

I believe E. Jean Carrol’s 2nd lawsuit is upcoming.

Judge Chutkan is sending out notices to potential jurors.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,858 posts)
55. Supreme Court Will Consider Taking Up Trump's Immunity Claims In Jan. 6 Criminal Case
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 07:55 PM
Dec 2023

This makes me smile
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anafaguy/2023/12/11/supreme-court-will-consider-taking-up-trumps-immunity-claims-in-jan-6-criminal-case/?sh=e5b87357bbec

TOPLINE The Supreme Court will consider a Justice Department petition filed Monday that asked the high court to decide whether former President Donald Trump is immune from criminal charges for trying to overturn the 2020 election—as prosecutors look to try Trump next spring.

It’s unclear when—or whether—the high court will weigh in on the immunity question, but the justices agreed to fast-track the process of deciding whether to take up the case in a brief one-page order issued Monday evening.

The former president has until Dec. 20 at 4 p.m. ET to respond to the request filed Monday by Special Counsel Jack Smith, who asked the Supreme Court to consider Trump’s immunity before the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals rules.

Smith asked the Supreme Court if a president is “absolutely immune” from prosecution in federal court for crimes committed while in office, or if presidents are sheltered from prosecution if “he has been impeached but not convicted before the criminal proceedings begin.”

3Hotdogs

(15,368 posts)
64. They have not decided to hear if Anal Fistula has immunity. This is a petition to decide if they should decide that
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 08:04 PM
Dec 2023

now, or wait for it to drag out through the lower courts.

Torchlight

(6,830 posts)
65. Trump: black checker from square 11 to square 15
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 08:10 PM
Dec 2023

Jack Smith: Bishop 1.e4 e5 2.Bc4.

One day, Trump might even learn to spell the name of the league he's pretending to play in.

flashman13

(2,403 posts)
68. I think this is good news. Smith wants to cut through the bullship
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 08:47 PM
Dec 2023

and stop Trump from trying to freeze the process with endless litigation of his delusional, non-ending, all-encompassing, never ending, presidential immunity. The court could simply have turned away Smith's filing and Trump would have won his point by default.

I think the truth is that Trump's three appointees, now bullet proof with a life time appointment, don't owe Trump or his people anything. The "originalists" can step up, show how impartial they are, and fail to find any special immunity for ex-presidents. Smith wins. The trial stays on time line.

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
74. This IS NOT a done deal....
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 10:44 PM
Dec 2023

... If I understand correctly, they have only decided to DECIDE if they will take up the appeal. The have NOT yet granted expedited appeal.

I guess that's better than a flat out no.

gab13by13

(32,321 posts)
76. 5 justices voted to expedite the appeal
Mon Dec 11, 2023, 11:36 PM
Dec 2023

What reasons can Trump lawyers come up with to change their minds?

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,858 posts)
79. If they wanted to that, they would treat case as normal case
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 12:08 AM
Dec 2023

A normal appeal could stretched this case out a couple of years. It took the DC circuit a year to rule on the civil liability issue

reACTIONary

(7,162 posts)
86. No Justice has voted to expidite the appeal...
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 07:30 AM
Dec 2023

... They voted to hear reasons why they should or should not expedite the appeal. After they hear the arguments they will decide whether or not to expedite the appeal. Smith did not win, he just didn't lose right away.

https://wapo.st/3TmRwVY

The Supreme Court said Monday it will consider special counsel Jack Smith’s request to fast-track consideration of Donald Trump’s claim he is immune from prosecution for alleged election obstruction in 2020 — intensifying the legal jockeying over whether Trump’s criminal trial in D.C. will stay on schedule for early next year.

The decision by the nation’s highest court doesn’t mean that the justices will definitely short-circuit the typical appeals process, but it means they are going to hear arguments from both sides about whether they should act quickly. Trump’s lawyers were told to file briefs on the issue by Dec. 20.

intrepidity

(8,582 posts)
80. Well, if they *do* decide to take the case
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 12:12 AM
Dec 2023

let's hope they don't pull a Bush v. Gore and carve out an exception for tfg, ensuring Biden doesn't try the same (as if he ever would).

I don't trust SCOTUS at all.

 

TheKentuckian

(26,314 posts)
89. I think they are likely to rule against Chump
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 11:42 AM
Dec 2023

but am not counting the chickens until they hatch at all.

 

jaxexpat

(7,794 posts)
91. I only wish this had come to pass a year ago.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 01:25 PM
Dec 2023

For so long as there is any opportunity that the momentum of public opinion could be distracted from the truth about relative proportions of portent, there is danger. For example, at present the cretins have an open mic to repeat their blurred Hunter Biden foolishness ad nauseum. In the propaganda business, such little bits of smoke are the stuff of overwhelming conflagration. Some of the arsonists' noise would already be silenced if the judicial system had chosen to forego some of its anal-retentive tendencies in favor of a reasonable expedience to process and progress. For instance: Why is Mike Flynn not in prison at this time? Or the yahoo, Mr. Stone, with Nixon tattooed on his back? Why aren't there reports of on-going investigations about the rumored tours of the capitol given to suspicious visitors by suspicious officials (nee saboteurs) prior to 1/6, when tours were officially not sanctioned? Why is there still cover for the Gym Jordans in Congress to skulk and plot behind, touting the existence of dubious polling which shows Trump equal in voter's favor to Biden.

But mostly the question is, why is Trump noisily continuing to perform his treason routine in public when the performance of critical systems for national security requires his silence? It would be more sensical if, perhaps, he was behind bars, awaiting trial. This "great event" we're celebrating here is only necessary because the system is so warped the USSC must be asked to admit insurrection is a crime now so as to make them less credible then, when they renege, as they are wont to do, and deny the truth of that critical observation.

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