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Is Trump directing the anti-Ukrainian policy for Republicans? (Original Post) OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 OP
Why should he give up on treason? Turbineguy Dec 2023 #1
There are plenty of other rethugs to do poot's MOMFUDSKI Dec 2023 #2
True, Putin has others lined up. But Trump is his best chance right now. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #7
The only thing TFG responds to is power and Enter stage left Dec 2023 #3
Can't.... but doesn't it blow your mind that a significant portion of voting Americans want this person in office? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #5
This is the biggest disappointment. The American people who support the GOP. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #9
For the first time in his life, Trump believes something else is just as important as money. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #11
Wouldn't you like to know what the content was on the TS files, Trump stole? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #13
We can make good guesses. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #14
Sure that, but... OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #16
According to John Brennan (ex CIA director), we have to assume everything was compromised. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #18
I am sure Trump has compromised many US assets around the world. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #19
Both. It is all the same thing to Trump. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #20
Do you think he is truly capable of doing this? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #21
Of course Trump is not coming up with all of these plans. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #22
I think we think alike, OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #23
yep seems obvious. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #24
He has the likes of Stone, Bannon, Fuentes, Carlson, Michael Flynn Deuxcents Dec 2023 #27
Who's he? Ain't me! OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #28
Yes exactly. Trump has a huge machine running the show. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #30
Both Putin and Trump desperately need each other now. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #4
The dance of 2 devils..... OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #6
Yes exactly. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #10
The Republican party gab13by13 Dec 2023 #8
The GOP also likes Putin because they want a more fascist regime here in the US. Irish_Dem Dec 2023 #12
Putin has dirt on a lot of GOPers. Johonny Dec 2023 #15
What happened in Moscow on July 4, 2017? OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #17
No doubt in my mind! bluestarone Dec 2023 #25
Putin helped put Trump and lots of current GOP legislators in office. Freethinker65 Dec 2023 #26
How much is Putin paying Moscow Mitch and the rest of the Russiapublicans? Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2023 #29
Yes. Liberal In Texas Dec 2023 #31
He's not smart enough. Somebody else or a think tank is pushing it. Feeding it to him and letting him pass it along Hotler Dec 2023 #32

Enter stage left

(4,606 posts)
3. The only thing TFG responds to is power and
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:39 PM
Dec 2023

MONEY!

Even though the power could be valuable to him to avoid prison, I think it's the money.

Both are incredible motivators to TFG, but I believe he wants money beyond anything else.

Prove me wrong!

OAITW r.2.0

(32,376 posts)
5. Can't.... but doesn't it blow your mind that a significant portion of voting Americans want this person in office?
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:45 PM
Dec 2023

I thought we, as a country, was smarter than this.

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
9. This is the biggest disappointment. The American people who support the GOP.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:48 PM
Dec 2023

There will always be ruthless sociopaths, but now the American people seem to adore and revere them.

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
11. For the first time in his life, Trump believes something else is just as important as money.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:52 PM
Dec 2023

Staying out of jail.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,376 posts)
13. Wouldn't you like to know what the content was on the TS files, Trump stole?
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:57 PM
Dec 2023

Don't need details, just what the info was about...topline only.

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
14. We can make good guesses.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 10:01 PM
Dec 2023

We know the kinds of things Trump likes.

Anything that makes a lot of money.
Makes him feel important.
Would give him blackmail material or leverage.
Salacious, prurient material.

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
18. According to John Brennan (ex CIA director), we have to assume everything was compromised.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 10:33 PM
Dec 2023

Brennan believes Trump still has many hidden documents.
It has done decades worth of damage.
And shortly after Trump took office the CIA noticed dead and missing CIA agents and assets.
It will take a decade to replace them.

Maybe you are asking something else?

OAITW r.2.0

(32,376 posts)
19. I am sure Trump has compromised many US assets around the world.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 10:44 PM
Dec 2023

But what's the endgame? Permanent power or freedom from prosecution?

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
20. Both. It is all the same thing to Trump.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 10:49 PM
Dec 2023

Permanent total power over all three branches of government, media, and access to US and global financial assets.
No one can ever touch him.

He will be just like Putin in Russia.

That is what the GOP wants.
And they have a good shot at it. Sell a white male christian minority rule to the base.
And do a power and money grab in return.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,376 posts)
21. Do you think he is truly capable of doing this?
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 11:00 PM
Dec 2023

I do think he is too limited, intellectually, to plan this. His underlings, yes.

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
22. Of course Trump is not coming up with all of these plans.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 11:13 PM
Dec 2023

Don't get me wrong, Trump is quite clever and has good street smarts.
And can read a room.

But he doesn't know one end of the government from the other.
Rules, laws, procedures, goals are all unknown to him.

Do you think he came up with the J6 plan all by himself?
Or the elector scheme in various states?
Or thought to call the Sectys of State in critical states?

Or that he can successfully manage and plan a presidential campaign?
With no political experience like the first time he ran?

Know what TS documents are worth the most money?
And how to access them and steal them?

I could go on and on. This man is barely literate and his college education is a joke.
His dad must have purchased the degree for him with a big college donation.
He has no attention plan and cannot stay focused.
He is barely oriented to person, place and time much less a mastermind.

100% he has minders. A lot of them.
He gets his talking points and goes out on stage and performs.
And they let him think he is the boss while pulling the strings.

Deuxcents

(27,358 posts)
27. He has the likes of Stone, Bannon, Fuentes, Carlson, Michael Flynn
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 01:24 AM
Dec 2023

And his brother, Miller and more than I can remember. He also has the Federalist Society dissecting the Constitution and already has big plans for his return to the White House. Tfg is the front man for the cult…the pied piper for what was once the Republican Party.

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
30. Yes exactly. Trump has a huge machine running the show.
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 09:14 AM
Dec 2023

He is their useful idiot. The slimy salesman, who makes the sales pitch to the gullible customers.

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
4. Both Putin and Trump desperately need each other now.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:44 PM
Dec 2023

Putin needs Trump and the GOP to stop funding Ukraine so he can win the war he started.
Trump needs Putin to install him in the WH again, so Trump can avoid his many legal problems and rake in $billions.

It is basically a pact between two devils.

gab13by13

(32,519 posts)
8. The Republican party
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:47 PM
Dec 2023

Is the Putin Party. Magats want Russia to win because it will hurt President Biden.
Speaker Johnson got caught a few years ago getting money from one of Putin’s pals.

Irish_Dem

(81,916 posts)
12. The GOP also likes Putin because they want a more fascist regime here in the US.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 09:53 PM
Dec 2023

They want permanent power and vast wealth just like Putin has in Russia.

Johonny

(26,389 posts)
15. Putin has dirt on a lot of GOPers.
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 10:26 PM
Dec 2023

Putin is in control. Most of these people are scumbags and Putin no doubt has compromate on many GOPers. Lindsey Graham being the most obvious.

OAITW r.2.0

(32,376 posts)
17. What happened in Moscow on July 4, 2017?
Tue Dec 12, 2023, 10:32 PM
Dec 2023

And why did a whole bunch of Republicans show up there? Would make a great docudrama. Blackmail? Not out of the question.

Freethinker65

(11,203 posts)
26. Putin helped put Trump and lots of current GOP legislators in office.
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 01:00 AM
Dec 2023

If Putin went public, that would be the end of many in the current GOPs political careers.

Liberal In Texas

(16,330 posts)
31. Yes.
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 09:29 AM
Dec 2023

He's the Siberian Candidate. He's a traitor and running a shadow government with the magats in congress. The repubs are disgusting for allowing this to happen.



Hotler

(13,747 posts)
32. He's not smart enough. Somebody else or a think tank is pushing it. Feeding it to him and letting him pass it along
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 10:25 AM
Dec 2023

like it was his own thoughts. He's a dumb fuck.

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