Are you there God? It's Me, Michael.

[sheshe2]

Are you there God? It's Me, Michael.

The man hears voices in his head. The other day God told him, clearly told him, that he is the 'new Moses!' The man is insane and should not be holding the gavel, let alone 2nd in line.

Hosanna hey sanna hosanna, he is not your super star anymore than trump is. They are not the saviors, they are the destroyers.

[Blue Owl]

1. Well, he can tie his ass to a tree and walk 40 miles as far as I'm concerned

[sheshe2]

4. bwahahahaha.

[BlueSpot]

2. If God ever spoke to him

It was during an exorcism - ordering him to get out.

[leftieNanner]

3. The Fly Man (Pence)

Has chats with God and Jesus as well.

SMDH

[Comfortably_Numb]

5. Two verses for Magat Mike-"and Judas went out and hung himself"; "go ye therefore and do likewise."

[rubbersole]

6. I read this here recently (kudos to the poster)....

A man that talks to god is devout.
A man that thinks god talks to him is insane.

[ancianita]

7. Book pitch here, for christians who've subordinated their faith to politics.

And maybe for the rest of us who want to help them see reality on Earth 1.

[sheshe2]

11. Wow.

Thanks for posting this, ancianita. Just reading the reviews scares the heck out of me. Looks like a must read.

For too long the Religious Right has masqueraded as a social movement preoccupied with a number of cultural issues, such as abortion and same-sex marriage. In her deeply reported investigation, Katherine Stewart reveals a disturbing truth: this is a political movement that seeks to gain power and to impose its vision on all of society. America’s religious nationalists aren’t just fighting a culture war, they are waging a political war on the norms and institutions of American democracy.

Stewart pulls back the curtain on the inner workings and leading personalities of a movement that has turned religion into a tool for domination. She exposes a dense network of think tanks, advocacy groups, and pastoral organizations embedded in a rapidly expanding community of international alliances and united not by any central command but by a shared, anti-democratic vision and a common will to power. She follows the money that fuels this movement, tracing much of it to a cadre of super-wealthy, ultraconservative donors and family foundations. She shows that today’s Christian nationalism is the fruit of a longstanding antidemocratic, reactionary strain of American thought that draws on some of the most troubling episodes in America’s past. It forms common cause with a globe-spanning movement that seeks to destroy liberal democracy and replace it with nationalist, theocratic and autocratic forms of government around the world. Religious nationalism is far more organized and better funded than most people realize. It seeks to control all aspects of government and society. Its successes have been stunning, and its influence now extends to every aspect of American life, from the White House to state capitols, from our schools to our hospitals.

The Power Worshippers is a brilliantly reported book of warning and a wake-up call. Stewart’s probing examination demands that Christian nationalism be taken seriously as a significant threat to the American

https://www.amazon.com/Power-Worshippers-Dangerous-Religious-Nationalism/dp/1635573432

[ancianita]

17. Right?

Based on the Christians I've met in Florida, I think that even most christians don't know about these networks, but their church leaders probably do. There's definitely a drive to religious power here that is both anti-biblical and anti-Jesus.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

19. How is it anti-biblical? Or anti-demigod?

They're not out of step with the book or the supposed deity all that much.

Promoting divisiveness so that they can persecute and murder those who won't march lockstep with them to achieve total domination of everything? The book, the demigod and the christian nationals are all in on those things.

Maybe you need to read the book--all of it--to see how they're not as far apart as apologists for that religion like to claim.

[ancianita]

21. Because Jesus rejected religions, nevermind religious power. His

very teachings were about peace, non-judgment, and spirit, and of children "for such is the kingdom of God."
Mike Johnson and his christian nationalists don't care that not one statement by Jesus in any red letter Bible (red lettered to show what the authors witnessed Jesus say) shows that those seek temporal power through know nothing of him or his "Father." Like the Jewish Pharisees of his day.

Promoting divisiveness so that they can persecute and murder those who won't march lockstep with them to achieve total domination of everything? The book, the demigod and the christian nationals are all in on those things.

That right there is well funded fascism cloaked in fake christian theater. Not biblical at all. Sure, I'll finish the book; just got into it this past weekend.

Sure, call him a demi-god. But with the difference that he rejected temporal power and tried to bring love and peace to the world. There isn't a great leader who taught love and peace who wasn't murdered.
The only power in the biblical sense was the Old Testament power shown to Moses by God, to help the wandering Hebrews, God's "chosen" people," because their ancestors, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob were chosen by that God to know and follow God and his/her commandments, with the promise that they would be at peace and thrive in their new homeland.

These christian nationalists' understanding is ridiculously out of step with both the Bible and Jesus in that they follow leaders who preach "false doctrine;" that is, doctrine that promotes religious pulpit and rally power which has never squared with Jesus' statements in the New Testament.

If you haven't read/studied the New Testament after the historical narrative of the Old Testament's development of the concept of a "letter of the law God" and then Jesus huge shift to a 'spirit of the law,' loving God who's 'demi-god' joined humanity in a life that, while suffering, showed a peace and love that spread to a new understanding to hundreds of millions, of a meaningful life of spiritual growth beyond religion, patriarchy and power. I don't know what more can be said, except that if you yourself have some understanding of christianity based on what you've read about them, perhaps you don't understand enough about Jesus based Christianity to know how totally out of step Mike Johnson and these christians are.

Jesus would call them pharisees -- those who pose as spiritual while seeking power.

[sheshe2]

13. FYI

You should make an OP out of this, it’s chilling.

I am going to see if my library has this. TY.

[ancianita]

16. Well, if you think so. I didn't know if the membership would find this politically relevant, though I think it is.

[sheshe2]

23. Do it!

Favor, DM me when you do.

I want to make sure I see it.

I checked, my library and it is in the system. I will ask them to order it for me.

Thank you so much for the heads up.

[ancianita]

24. I did.

It's in GD and was on the main page for an hour. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218524471
Not getting much favorable response, though. Which I'm not surprised about.

[patphil]

8. Why do people always believe the voice they are hearing is God?

Given his actions, chances are 100 out of 100 that it's not.
Pride goeth before the fall.

[BlueSpot]

9. If you started hearing a voice in your head telling you to do stuff, who would you name? n/t

[patphil]

12. A dark side entity, either a devil or demon.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

20. Except those things don't exist

Broken brains do exist, however, and that's what creates the voices.

The only question is what causes the broken brains, and, in far too many cases, that cause is religious indoctrination.

[Hotler]

14. The Christian right are America's Taliban. nt

[sheshe2]

15. Yes they are.

[Delphinus]

18. Indeed they are.

I'm tired of their mythologies screwing up the world.

[spanone]

22. K&R