"We have State polls now, and they effectively show a tied race for 270 electoral votes"

[brooklynite]

(Briefing I just got from the Biden campaign team)

NOT: “the polls are rigged by the media”

NOT: “it’s impossible to poll accurately today”

[Freethinker65]

1. Also not Trump ahead in five, or seven, swing states that Biden previously won.

Trump is out campaigning. Biden is waiting until the GOP declares their nominee.

[former9thward]

5. The reason Biden/Trump would be tied at 270 electoral votes

is that Trump is ahead in some of the swing states Biden won. If that were not true the electoral count would be the same as 2020.

[womanofthehills]

19. Todays polling -not good today

Dec 14 poll - definitely no longer tied -

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[Yavin4]

2. Any Republican candidate will have 50% chance of winning the presidency

in any year. Polls mean nothing bc they only measure what people tell pollsters not who actually votes.

[shrike3]

3. So, what would you suggest? A plan of action?

[ZonkerHarris]

23. Register and get out the vote. Use the right issues to drive them to the polls. Pro Abortion, women's rights.etc

[shrike3]

25. Sounds good.

Hoped to get a reply from the OP. But thank you.

[ZonkerHarris]

58. Some people here only post their concerns and worries and not solutions

[gab13by13]

4. Too funny,

wringing my hands over polls.

What do the New York state polls say about flipping back the seats that Magats won in districts that Biden carried? Like Anthony DeVolder, how in the hell did he win in New York?

Does the Democratic candidate need to be a moderate to win, why not run the best candidate?

[Voltaire2]

6. It is very likely that in swing states with fascist

controlled governments there will be clear and obvious election fraud. This has been their plan at least since Jan 6 failed.

[brooklynite]

7. What States are you thinking of?

[Voltaire2]

8. Wisconsin for one.

[brooklynite]

13. D Governor, D Attorney General, D SoS

[DemocratInPa]

16. I think when it comes to the election...

State houses hold the power.. Governor has little power. SOS does, but limited.

[womanofthehills]

20. Wisconsin has an Independent problem

According to yesterday’s Bloomberg polls - https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

Independents are a mega problem!!!

Trump. 40
Biden. 34
Kennedy. 10
Stein. 3
West. 1

[DemocratInPa]

11. Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia..

[Voltaire2]

12. I know in my state of NH we have a coordinated funded effort

to subvert the local election process. The fascists publicly accuse election officials of assorted misbehaviors, claim that the elections are all flawed, and keep trying to put their own people into positions of authority.

From the research I've done, MyPillow guy appears to be one of the funders.

[brooklynite]

14. Arizona has all D office holders

NC has a D Governor and Attorney General

Georgia has shown no willingness to rig the vote for Trump.

[DemocratInPa]

15. I think all 3 the states I listed have both gov houses controlled by Repubs..

Wisky also has a D Gov, but not sure how much power they have when it comes to the election.

The houses are the ones who certify.

[MyNameIsJonas]

18. No they aren't.

It's generally the Sec. of State of these states who certifies the election.

It sounds like you're confusing the US House with the state legislatures - the US house certifies the state electors but those electors are generally certified, as I said, the Sec. of State.

State legislators don't have the legal authority to do that.

Here's a story from Arizona where you can see Hobbs as Sec. of State, who is now governor, was the one to certify the results in 2020:

https://news.azpm.org/p/newsfeature/2020/11/30/184725-arizona-officially-certifies-election-results/

[womanofthehills]

21. We are in trouble in NC

Trump up 11 in yesterday’s Bloomberg poll - Independents are a problem.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

[Traildogbob]

27. We are in trouble?

Meadows gave secret docs to Russia, Cawthorn was Cawthorn, did you see Virginia Fox give an hour on the floor speech about White Santa is the reason kids need whole milk in school, and we had a female Dem win a seat in Charlotte and immediately switch parties after election to give the GQP a super majority, and courts said NC is so gerrymandered it is not considered a democracy, and then gerrymander more?
We are in trouble, no we are fucked and are a xerox copy of where the whole damn country is headed.
(You youngins may need to Google Xerox)
And I am stuck here in District 11 till death. Which GQP plan to expedite.
Trouble is a Marshalls term for what NC is in.

[yardwork]

41. North Carolina has a Democratic Secretary of State and Governor.

The vote will be fair in NC. Whether Biden wins or not will depend on turnout.

[Polybius]

9. I want to live to see the day where there's a 269-269 tie

So long as we win in the end.

[ITAL]

10. Doesn't seem likely that would be this time

Even if Democrats retake the House, which appears likely at this point, Republicans would probably have the majority of State Congressional Delegations paving the way for a Trump election.

[edhopper]

17. And the media hasn't really started their attacks on Biden

just wait until he's impeached.
I give Trump a 60% chance right now.

[Mountainguy]

22. Impeachments

Have usually ended up with approval numbers improving after.

[marble falls]

30. Oh no! My vote means nothing - the polls rule!!! I'm just not going to vote. It's all lost!!!!

[edhopper]

50. Go ahead and ignore how tight the race is

After all Hillary had it in the bag.

[marble falls]

51. But according to the polls Joe is 10 points behind. That's not close.

[edhopper]

54. The aggregate of the polls shows its a toss up

With Trump in the lead in swing States.
This will be a very close election. And we can lose.

[marble falls]

55. But polls say TFG is going to win! Can't ignore the fucking bullshit polls, now can we?

[edhopper]

56. So we should just ignore them

Why do any work for Biden, or even vote if he has such an overwhelming lead?

[Deminpenn]

24. If the Biden campaign team told you

the state polls showed Biden would win in a walk, would you be as willing to contribute financially or to contribute as much?

Campaigns want to motivate financial supporters, especially those who can give a lot, and this is a good way to do it.

[brooklynite]

37. If you're saying the Biden campaign is lying to its top donors...

I don’t think you know how politics works.

Do I understand that you assert that Biden is comfortably ahead? If so, please provide evidence.

[Deminpenn]

60. I laid out a hypothetical scenario

based on my government experience that when you want something the best way to get it is to lay out the worst possible case scenario.

[Think. Again.]

26. You do realize that...

...a tied race for 270 electoral votes would equal 540 total electoral votes, right?

[marble falls]

29. Shhhhh!!!

[Think. Again.]

40. .

[brooklynite]

36. You misunderstand...

There are 538 votes available (remember, DC has 3) half is 269. But you need 270 to win;

[Think. Again.]

39. um, yeah, that's my point...

A tie for 270, as your post implies, would mean a total of 540.

[brooklynite]

42. Not what they meant...

They mean that the battleground States need to get to just 270 are tied in terms of likely voting.

[Think. Again.]

45. oh. Thank you.

[Think. Again.]

48. does it say anything about...

...the strength of the non-battleground states?

[marble falls]

28. You've convinced me. My vote means nothing. Just call the election off.

[brooklynite]

34. In a close race your vote means nothing? Got it.

[marble falls]

49. But ... but ... but the polls! The mother fucking polls all say TFG is going to win! The polls, the polls ...

... the polls!

[brooklynite]

57. No, they say the race is close.

[Demsrule86]

31. sure...I am trashing this thread...tired of the doom and gloom. Trump is going to lose.

[W_HAMILTON]

32. Did it come with a request for a campaign donation?

Yeah, we all get those too.

[brooklynite]

35. This was a face to face meeting for people who've already given a lot.

[W_HAMILTON]

38. Did they ask for more?

Yeah, we've all received urgent pleas for campaign donations based on polling data that shows they are down, hence the need for more money.

The next time I hear, "we're up big in the polls, no need to contribute more, everything is going great as is!" will be the first.

More informative would have been for you to relay to us what their plans are going forward, given that we don't need polling to tell us that it's going to be a close race regardless. If they are worried about the polling as you and others seem to be, what significant changes are they going to be making in terms of their campaign to successfully assuage those fears and have better showings in the polls?

[brooklynite]

43. You'll get that when I get home from Washington and can transcribe my notes.

Right now I’m heading to the White House.

[W_HAMILTON]

46. But you had time for a quick post to denigrate those around here that grow tired of the doom-polling?

[marble falls]

47. I'm sick of it, too. A poll at BEST is a snapshot of the moment. They do not mean anything significant ...

... I'm on the edge of leaving DU until the two conventions. Soooo close to the edge!

[Aepps22]

44. Typical

This is OP's MO. I agree that the election will be close but if it doesn't come from his super exclusive private meetings with Carville and others it isn't relevant. I think most of his posts and threads are for him to humble brag about who he knows.

[brooklynite]

59. One of these days you'll have to explain your fixation on Carville...

You post about him more than I ever did.

Just to clarify, this meeting was with Biden’s campaign management team. If you have any to discount what they have to say, feel free.

[LeftInTX]

33. More polls. On my phone, so linking one

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/11/politics/cnn-polls-trump-biden-michigan-georgia/index.html

USA Today has 7 swing state polls.

[JohnSJ]

52. If it is really tied, then trump wins because the House determines the election

[Lovie777]

53. What polls don't show...........................

that many upon many do not like shithole and the GQP and care enough for the right to live free.

2023 year is very telling.