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Septua

(2,957 posts)
Thu Dec 14, 2023, 08:24 PM Dec 2023

Can someone explain to me which part of the Constitution...

..leads Trump and his lawyers to think he has immunity from all his indictment charges?

Or is it the same cockamamie propaganda as the Presidential Records Act giving him the right to take a bunch of government documents home when he left office?

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Can someone explain to me which part of the Constitution... (Original Post) Septua Dec 2023 OP
probably the part of the Constitution Skittles Dec 2023 #1
They don't know and hope stupidity will save them. GreenWave Dec 2023 #2
'The DOJ has long held that presidents cannot be criminally indicted while in office elleng Dec 2023 #3
It's also unsettled if extraterrestrials can be indicted Silent3 Dec 2023 #8
They make every argument they can imagine no matter how silly to delay, delay, delay. RockRaven Dec 2023 #4
Yep... Septua Dec 2023 #7
I'm wondering the same thing. Kid Berwyn Dec 2023 #5
IF he gets reelected, HE will be the authority... Septua Dec 2023 #6

Skittles

(171,704 posts)
1. probably the part of the Constitution
Thu Dec 14, 2023, 08:28 PM
Dec 2023

that allowed the Supreme Court to pick a president

GreenWave

(12,640 posts)
2. They don't know and hope stupidity will save them.
Thu Dec 14, 2023, 08:28 PM
Dec 2023

It would not surprise me if Trump stole vinyl records under the "Presidential Records Act".

elleng

(141,926 posts)
3. 'The DOJ has long held that presidents cannot be criminally indicted while in office
Thu Dec 14, 2023, 08:32 PM
Dec 2023

—arguing in a memo it “would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch”—and the Supreme Court ruled in Nixon v. Fitzgerald that presidents can't be held liable in civil cases for actions they undertook as part of their arguing in a memo it “would impermissibly undermine the capacity of the executive branch”—and the Supreme Court ruled in Nixon v. Fitzgerald that presidents can’t be held liable in civil cases for actions they undertook as part of their official duties, though the high court separately found in Clinton v. Jones that presidents can be sued in civil court for actions taken before they were president.

Whether ex-presidents can face criminal charges for actions they took while in the White House is still unsettled, however, with the Supreme Court yet to weigh in on that particular issue.'

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alisondurkee/2023/12/11/is-trump-immune-from-criminal-charges-what-to-know-about-presidential-immunity-as-supreme-court-weighs-taking-up-case/?

 

Silent3

(15,909 posts)
8. It's also unsettled if extraterrestrials can be indicted
Fri Dec 15, 2023, 12:15 AM
Dec 2023

But if I show up in court claiming I've got immunity because I'm from Europa, precious little court time is going to be wasted dealing with that absurd claim.

Total presidential immunity is very close to that absurd. It's a farce we're giving Trump the delays he's obviously playing for by treating this as a deep, weighty issue in need of slow and careful scrutiny.

RockRaven

(19,365 posts)
4. They make every argument they can imagine no matter how silly to delay, delay, delay.
Thu Dec 14, 2023, 08:33 PM
Dec 2023

And thus far those delays have stacked up moderately nicely for them. So of course they will keep at it.

Septua

(2,957 posts)
7. Yep...
Thu Dec 14, 2023, 11:58 PM
Dec 2023

I knew the answer before asking the question. There's nothing in the Constitution that gives a former President a "get-out-of-jail-free" token for criminal offenses committed while in office, as Chutkan noted. It is an insanely illogical argument from any perspective.

And the double jeopardy claim is totally non-sensical bullshit.

Kid Berwyn

(24,374 posts)
5. I'm wondering the same thing.
Thu Dec 14, 2023, 10:59 PM
Dec 2023

Talking Heads say it’s inevitable that he drop prosecutions and pardon himself and his cabal. From there he’ll weaponize the living daylights out of Justice, the Pentagon and the entire federal government to round up and persecute all his enemies.

WTF? By what authority can he do that — even if elected?

Septua

(2,957 posts)
6. IF he gets reelected, HE will be the authority...
Thu Dec 14, 2023, 11:40 PM
Dec 2023

That's the concern. There are no checks on a corrupt president; if he can get enough lackeys to fill the Cabinet.

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