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struggle4progress

(126,147 posts)
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 12:19 PM Dec 2023

Can't make defamation judgment go away

Erin Snodgrass, Lloyd Lee, and Kelsey Vlamis Dec 15, 2023, 10:14 PM EST

... "He can't pay this," said Neama Rahmani, a former federal prosecutor and president of West Coast Trial Lawyers. "And it won't go away" ...

Giuliani ... could be on the hook for still millions more as he faces two suits brought by voting machine companies, as well as a sexual harassment suit for $10 million and a $1.4 million suit from his former lawyers ...

... plaintiffs, who are responsible for enforcing their judgments, .... can pursue wage garnishment, .... can also go after a defendant's property, trying to get the court to attach a lien .... Or they can levy a defendant's bank account ....

But even if Giuliani is lacking the funds or assets to fulfill his full payment, the judgment will follow him indefinitely ...

https://www.businessinsider.com/rudy-giuliani-likely-cant-afford-148-million-defamation-judgment-2023-12

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lastlib

(28,261 posts)
1. Intentional tort damages cannot be discharged in bankruptcy.
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 12:26 PM
Dec 2023

Rudy will have this hanging over him probably for the rest of his life, particularly if he spends part of his life in prison.....

So, Rudy, how did following Defendant #1 work out for ya? Are ya sure you want to stick with him?

Ocelot II

(130,532 posts)
2. Unfortunately I doubt they'll be able to collect much, if any, of that judgment
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 12:29 PM
Dec 2023

even if the debt can't be discharged in bankruptcy. He might have some money squirreled away somewhere (which might be why he refused to turn over his financial records) but it's not likely to be that much. He has the $6M apartment in NYC, but does he own it free and clear or is there a mortgage? From all reports it sounds like he's effectively insolvent (liabilities exceed assets) unless there are undiscovered funds somewhere. In any event, he will never get out from under the debts he owes. And he won't make a lot of money making license plates in prison, either. I just hope Freeman and Moss finally eventually collect something.

TheBlackAdder

(29,981 posts)
6. I'd try to get liens filed ASAP to get in the pecking order before others file theirs first.
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 01:09 PM
Dec 2023

Ocelot II

(130,532 posts)
7. Exactly. At least try to get as close to the front of the line as possible.
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 01:11 PM
Dec 2023

Rudy Colludy has said he will appeal, but he'll probably have to post an appeal bond - and I wonder if he can even afford to do that?

3Hotdogs

(15,368 posts)
3. Poor Andrew Ghoul. He will have nothing to inherit. And he seems to have no marketable skills.
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 12:31 PM
Dec 2023

Expect to find him on a cardboard box on 5th Avenue.

MichMan

(17,150 posts)
4. How is it effectively enforced?
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 12:47 PM
Dec 2023

Will he now be homeless and living on food stamps? I see these judgements being awarded either for damages or restitution and I never hear much about them ever being paid off.


Former Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick has owed the City of Detroit a million or so in restitution for quite a few years, and hasn't paid hardly anything towards it. He still seems to be living pretty well from media reports.

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