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LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 04:14 PM Dec 2023

A Biden Miracle-Taking TFG's destroyed economy and managing a "Soft Landing"

President Biden inherited a horrible economy from TFG. The COVID pandemic was still going and TFG had made no effective plans to distribute the needed vaccines. There was inflation due to disruptions of the supply chain and shortages of chips and key materials. Unemployment was high in part due to the pandemic and supply side issues.

President Biden is on track to pull off a miracle of bringing inflation under control without a recession (i.e., a "soft landing&quot . Remember, until even six months back, most economists were of the view that a "soft landing" seemed unlikely.



President Biden has pulled off a miracle of a true "soft landing."


https://www.axios.com/2023/12/15/us-economy-avoid-recession-inflation-cbo-projections
The U.S. economy is on track to avoid a recession next year as inflation returns to normal, according to new economic projections released by the Congressional Budget Office.

Why it matters: The nonpartisan agency expects more moderate economic conditions in 2024 — including slower growth and higher jobless rates — than previously anticipated. But its projections suggest America will skirt an all-out contraction in growth.

Joe Biden nailed the soft landing, bringing down the pandemic-caused inflation without causing a recession- something economists said would be impossible.




I have seen some speculation that the Fed may be able to cut interest rates next year which will help the economy and the Democrats' chances in the 2024 election. If President Biden pulls this off, it will indeed be an economic miracle.

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A Biden Miracle-Taking TFG's destroyed economy and managing a "Soft Landing" (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 OP
And the Fed. Don't leave them out. paleotn Dec 2023 #1
Interest rates had been far too low, for far too long. ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #23
K&R betsuni Dec 2023 #2
But, corporate media is telling us a different story. Lunabell Dec 2023 #3
Horse races are very profitable for m$m. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2023 #5
They're telling the story their wealthy bosses ExWhoDoesntCare Dec 2023 #24
History Repeats NowISeetheLight Dec 2023 #4
Seems to be true! Rebl2 Dec 2023 #10
"Fool me once, shame on you..." peppertree Dec 2023 #12
I am fed up TO THE TEETH... GiqueCee Dec 2023 #6
Well, if that's not a reason to impeach him, I don't know what is! NBachers Dec 2023 #7
K&R Think. Again. Dec 2023 #8
Imagine a landing at 37,000. Not bad considering the condition at take off. usaf-vet Dec 2023 #9
Well said. peppertree Dec 2023 #11
Federal Reserve lends credence to Joe Biden's promise of a soft landing for the US economy LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #13
Big news! We have AnotherBidenMiracle! liberalla Dec 2023 #14
Bidenomics are working LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #17
Trump had two good years before destroying the Obama economy. Emile Dec 2023 #15
President Biden is on track for a soft landing LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #16
Everyone expected a recession. The Fed and White House found a way out. LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #18
too early to call it a soft landing... WarGamer Dec 2023 #19
Avoiding a 2024 rescission is suffecient to call this a soft landing LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #25
I responded to this in the other thread. WarGamer Dec 2023 #29
You deleted your post on the other thread before I saw it LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #30
You keep deleting posts LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #34
Merry Christmas, Goth... WarGamer Dec 2023 #36
For what? For you to be right on a thread? LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #37
All the same insults you've been throwing around for 10 years... WarGamer Dec 2023 #38
Do you ever tire of be WRONG?? Here are some facts for you to ignore LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #39
more insults... same old stuff. WarGamer Dec 2023 #40
Here are some more facts on inflation for you to ignore LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #32
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Dec 2023 #33
The pivot has begun from "The economy is shit!" to "they're rigging the economy!" LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #44
This really is a fabulous post mahina Dec 2023 #20
This makes me smile LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #21
What could interest rate cuts mean for the 2024 election? LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #22
With the high cost of food, insurance, housing etc, people don't understand how much mucifer Dec 2023 #26
My biggest problem with this? Goodheart Dec 2023 #27
Here is some great data on consumer confidence that is from the Biden people LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #35
💰Great post underpants Dec 2023 #28
"Positive, upbeat end to 2023" per @SimonWDC : LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #31
K & R SunSeeker Dec 2023 #41
I love the look on Kudlow's face when the truth is presented to him LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #42
Bidenomics work. The Biden economy really surprised all the experts. A very, very solid performance in 2023 LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #43
Yellen on CNN: "What we are seeing now I think we can describe as a soft landing." LetMyPeopleVote Jan 2024 #45

paleotn

(22,218 posts)
1. And the Fed. Don't leave them out.
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 04:28 PM
Dec 2023

Jerome Powell and company have done a masterful job. Just ignore the flapping and rolling around financial guys on Bloomberg have been doing the last 18 months. "Raise interest rates?! Oh my gawd! We're all gonna die!!!!!" Seems we got through the pent up demand after Covid without too much damage. Untangled supply chains. And no 1980 style stagflation. Plus no huge recession. A damn good job by everyone I'd say.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
23. Interest rates had been far too low, for far too long.
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 08:50 PM
Dec 2023

The reason most Americans don't have traditional savings accounts isn't entirely because they can't afford to save; a big reasons is that interest rates are so low that it's just not worth it to have a savings account when it earns next to nothing. Having a savings account is now only marginally better than hoarding cash in your mattress. And that's just about the equivalent of how I use mine. The only advantage of keeping the money in the credit union is that it's safer there. That's about it.

The payback via accrued interest is downright insulting.

 

ExWhoDoesntCare

(4,741 posts)
24. They're telling the story their wealthy bosses
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 08:51 PM
Dec 2023

Have decided to tell, and they're paid well to tell it that way.

NowISeetheLight

(4,002 posts)
4. History Repeats
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 04:53 PM
Dec 2023

Democratic Presidents seem to have a habit of cleaning up after Republican Presidents.

GiqueCee

(4,259 posts)
6. I am fed up TO THE TEETH...
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 06:03 PM
Dec 2023

... with the hand-wringers within our party who express pearl-clutching concern – with ZERO evidence – that Joe Biden is too old to do the exemplary job he's been doing in managing our economy, among myriad other demanding tasks.

SHUT THE FUCK UP! Stop trying to do Trumputin's job for him, for chrissake!

Biden has proven himself to be the most capable and steady president this country has seen since... well, for-fucking-EVER, and my memory goes back a LONG way! Even Obama would back me up on that assertion, and he was GOOD.

Nothing in this universe matters more than beating Trump into a puddle of blood and bone. Figuratively speaking, of course. Heh, heh, heh. And right now, Joe is the ONLY man who can do it. Write-off mental cases like the shame of the Kennedy clan, or self-aggrandizing primary challengers, cannot – and will not – begin to match the accomplishments of the Biden administration, so get on board, or get out of the way.

peppertree

(23,343 posts)
11. Well said.
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 07:10 PM
Dec 2023

Had Cheeto been re-elected, we'd be in a massive banking crisis right now - plus wars in Iran and Venezuela.

It would be - to paraphrase Captain Bone Spurs - "like nothing you've ever seen."

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
13. Federal Reserve lends credence to Joe Biden's promise of a soft landing for the US economy
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 07:16 PM
Dec 2023

The Fed agrees with this prediction



https://www.ft.com/content/f7e0648f-3e85-4850-9368-f50ac6a9a15d?shareType=nongift

Joe Biden’s upbeat forecasts for the US economy have been validated by the Federal Reserve’s signal that it will consider interest rate cuts next year, delivering respite to American households through lower borrowing costs after two years of high inflation.

For months, Biden administration officials have been betting on a “soft landing” — one in which inflation would decline without any big rise in unemployment or a recession — as a fundamental feature of its economic record heading into the 2024 presidential election.

That expectation was validated by the US central bank this week, as it shifted towards a more dovish posture. The Fed indicated that its cycle of monetary tightening, which began in early 2022 to fight rapidly building inflation, had most likely ended, as officials forecast that its benchmark interest rate would be brought down by 0.75 percentage points next year from its current range of 5.25 per cent to 5.5 per cent. .....

The prospect of the Fed shifting to lower rates will not only help potential homeowners and the housing market, but could ease costs across the economy, including for business investments.

Some 2024 interest rate cuts would be a good thing

Emile

(42,289 posts)
15. Trump had two good years before destroying the Obama economy.
Sun Dec 17, 2023, 08:35 AM
Dec 2023

He started by talking about enacting tariffs which started the slide. Then came COVID and all the stupid shit that came out of his mouth. People invested in the markets are now back to where we were when Trump destroyed the economy.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
18. Everyone expected a recession. The Fed and White House found a way out.
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 08:01 PM
Dec 2023

President Biden and the Fed managing a "soft landing" is really amazing. There were a number of projections that there would be a rescission during 2024. The Fed with interest rate hikes and the Biden administration with focus on curing supply side disruptions appear to have managed a soft landing




https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/18/recession-economy-inflation/

“So many economists were saying there’s no way for inflation to get back to normal without it entailing a period of high unemployment, [or] a recession. And a year ago, I think many economists were saying a recession was inevitable,” Yellen said at a Wall Street Journal event last week. “I’ve never felt there was a solid intellectual basis for making such a prediction.”.....

It looked as though severe economic pain would be the cost for the president and central bank chair being late to react to historic inflation, and clinging for too long to an insistence that price hikes would be a temporary blip. One outside White House adviser, speaking on the condition of anonymity to reflect private conversations, described the mood in the building as one of “dark, brooding despair” as inflation peaked in summer 2022......

The White House, in particular, was adamant that inflation was driven by supply chain dysfunction, not by a spike in demand caused by its 2021 stimulus plan, as many critics, including some Democrats, insisted. An analysis by the White House Council of Economic Advisers this fall found that “supply chains in some form” contributed to more than 80 percent of the drop in inflation since 2022.

“There was a certain amount of mockery and derision to Joe Biden saying this transition was possible, as we were getting kicked in the teeth with inflation prints in May and June of 2022,” Deese said, referring to inflation reports. “But we had a pretty clear theory that those inflation prints reflected the high points of the supply shock.”

Indeed, this year finally brought about the long-awaited shifts. Energy prices fell back to Earth. A supply chain rebound helped cool prices for all kinds of goods. A resurgence of workers — including immigrants and women — propelled the economy. Wage gains moderated to a pace that economists saw as more consistent with long-term gains.

Achieving a "soft landing" is a major accomplishment for the Biden administration

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
19. too early to call it a soft landing...
Mon Dec 18, 2023, 08:09 PM
Dec 2023

The soft landing will be when inflation is at 2%, the Fed rate is 2-3% and unemployment is under 4%

So we're almost halfway there...

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
25. Avoiding a 2024 rescission is suffecient to call this a soft landing
Wed Dec 20, 2023, 10:50 AM
Dec 2023

The Fed and others this time last year were predicting a recession this year and during 2024. Through a combination of rate increases and the Biden administration efforts in dealing with supply side issues no recession is on the horizon.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/18/recession-economy-inflation/

But now, the central bankers, Treasury Secretary Janet L. Yellen and President Biden’s economic brain trust are cautiously pointing out that they have been vindicated by data and developments dismissed as virtually impossible until quite recently. This month, Biden’s typically staid treasury secretary gave an unusually direct rebuke, telling reporters that economists who predicted that lower inflation would require widespread layoffs were now “eating their words.”....

“So many economists were saying there’s no way for inflation to get back to normal without it entailing a period of high unemployment, [or] a recession. And a year ago, I think many economists were saying a recession was inevitable,” Yellen said at a Wall Street Journal event last week. “I’ve never felt there was a solid intellectual basis for making such a prediction.”....

Yet Powell, too, has held onto hope that this was possible, despite what conventional economics might teach. Since 1961, the Fed has launched 10 cycles of rate hikes to combat inflation, including this one. Recessions followed eight times......

“Forecast for US Recession Within Year Hits 100% in Blow to Biden,” a Bloomberg headline flashed in fall 2022. Larry Summers, the former Democratic treasury secretary and frequent Fed critic, said unemployment would have to spike for inflation to come down. Businesses said they were girding for a downturn.

As far as most people are concerned, a "soft landing" means getting inflation largely under control without a recession. The current inflation rate is close enough that Powell has penciled in several interest rate cuts next year. Again, these results are being achieved by a combination of rate increases and the Biden administration efforts to fix supply chain efforts.

In October 2021, the administration successfully cajoled ports to operate 24/7 in a push to unsnarl delays that pushed up prices. The White House greenlighted significant expansions of oil drilling to lower energy prices, and announced the largest-ever release of the nation’s strategic fuel reserves as gas prices rose, overriding complaints from climate experts and other allies......

The White House, in particular, was adamant that inflation was driven by supply chain dysfunction, not by a spike in demand caused by its 2021 stimulus plan, as many critics, including some Democrats, insisted. An analysis by the White House Council of Economic Advisers this fall found that “supply chains in some form” contributed to more than 80 percent of the drop in inflation since 2022......

Indeed, this year finally brought about the long-awaited shifts. Energy prices fell back to Earth. A supply chain rebound helped cool prices for all kinds of goods. A resurgence of workers — including immigrants and women — propelled the economy. Wage gains moderated to a pace that economists saw as more consistent with long-term gains.

Again, right now there is no recession being predicted during an election year which is a major victory. President Biden has avoided the predicted recession by dealing with supply side issues and the Fed's rate increases. As noted in this article and the article in the OP, interest rate cuts are being forecast. The mere fact that current forecasts predict no recession is a major victory and qualifies as a "soft landing" to anyone who understands the concepts being discussed.

Hopefully this explanation clears up your confusion on the issue. If not, I will continue to try to educate you on the economics issues being discussed.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
34. You keep deleting posts
Mon Dec 25, 2023, 06:03 PM
Dec 2023

I did read the last post you deleted and that post really made me smile. Thank you for the laughs and amusement

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
37. For what? For you to be right on a thread?
Mon Dec 25, 2023, 06:14 PM
Dec 2023

I am still waiting for you to be right on any issue.

I like economics other than the advanced economic course were too simple and I had to decide between getting the course work for the CPA exam or boring eco courses. I took the CPA exam after law school and had no problem passing the exam even though it was five years since my last accounting course.

Have fun being wrong. Hopefully these posts will help you understand the economic issues being discussed.

WarGamer

(18,613 posts)
40. more insults... same old stuff.
Mon Dec 25, 2023, 09:14 PM
Dec 2023

BTW, it's ok to predict a soft landing... bu the FACT is...

We're not there yet. I'd say we're about half way considering interest rates, unemployment, gdp and current inflation.

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
32. Here are some more facts on inflation for you to ignore
Mon Dec 25, 2023, 05:51 PM
Dec 2023

Inflation appears to be in line to allow rate cutes in 2024






Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Reply #32)

LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
22. What could interest rate cuts mean for the 2024 election?
Tue Dec 19, 2023, 08:22 PM
Dec 2023

One of the consequences of a "soft landing" is that the Fed will have the flexibility to cut interest rates in 2024 which would or should help the economy and the Biden campaign



https://abcnews.go.com/Business/interest-rate-cuts-2024-election/story?id=105752108&cid=social_twitter_abcn

When the Federal Reserve recently signaled interest rate cuts next year, the stock market soared to record highs and analysts voiced sunny hopes of a "soft landing."

Arriving less than a year before the presidential contest, the announcement raised a separate consideration: What the rate cuts could mean for President Joe Biden's reelection bid.

Analysts who spoke to ABC News said research shows that a strong economy benefits an incumbent presidential candidate, since voters factor their financial well being into an assessment of the leader's job performance.....

"A good economy benefits an incumbent," Ray Fair, a professor at Yale University who oversees a model that forecasts elections based on economic conditions, told ABC News. "A bad economy goes the other way.....

By some key measures, the U.S. economy demonstrates good health: The unemployment rate hovers near a 50-year low, economic growth surged in a recent three-month period and inflation stands well below a peak last year.

mucifer

(25,667 posts)
26. With the high cost of food, insurance, housing etc, people don't understand how much
Wed Dec 20, 2023, 10:53 AM
Dec 2023

worse it could be and the media refuses to explain it. So reality might not matter at all.

 

Goodheart

(5,760 posts)
27. My biggest problem with this?
Wed Dec 20, 2023, 10:56 AM
Dec 2023

Is that we're not hearing it from the horse's mouth.

President Biden, please please please do all you can to get this message out PERSONALLY.

Go on stage, go on radio, go on TV, and TELL IT. And don't mince words.

"The Biden administration has rescued this country from the crash caused by a criminal."

STOP PUSSYFOOTING AROUND, for chrissakes.


LetMyPeopleVote

(179,869 posts)
35. Here is some great data on consumer confidence that is from the Biden people
Mon Dec 25, 2023, 06:06 PM
Dec 2023

This is another good sign of a soft landing






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