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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSaw an open-carry shitbird at the grocery store today.
Open-carry assholes are a pretty rare sight around here, in the light-pink suburbs of blue Tacoma.
This fucknozzle ticked all the boxes; three hundred pounds on the hoof, tee shirt and cargo shorts, scraggly, gingery douchebeard, and a practiced scowl that indicated he was not looking for trouble, but likely hoping for it.
He had what looked like a Glock holstered to his hip. He undoubtedly thought it made him look like a latter-day Wyatt Earp. When all it did was make him look like a pathetic loser cosplaying a tough guy.
These festering, ambulatory lumps of defective human protoplasm are a plague on our nation.
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grumpyduck
(6,672 posts)on his hip? How manly.
Aristus
(71,453 posts)That would like explain, at least a little, that grim look on his face.
raising2moredems
(746 posts)Packing nothing in his XL large pants so compensating with his external dildo.
soldierant
(9,216 posts)the number on the size. From the description I would guess at least a 3, burt more likely between a 4 and a 6. But I know the sizes go up to 9 so who knows.
NickB79
(20,203 posts)Saw a guy in Menards with a revolver on his hip like goddamn Dirty Harry. Like, damn man, afraid you're gonna get jumped for that perfectly straight 2x4 you just found?
While I have no desire to carry, I can in theory understand the argument that, if a lot of people are concealed carrying, a bad guy might not commit a violent crime because he can't tell who's packing. I don't put a lot of faith in it, but I can get the logical pathway it follows.
Open carry? If I were a mass shooter, the guy with the gun on his hip would be my FIRST target, as he's the most visible threat. Makes no sense from a crime prevention standpoint. The only thing it conveys is a "fuck you" attitude to the world.
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)
byronius
(7,879 posts)Open carry nutcakes are full of fear. They'll never do the right thing under pressure -- mostly because their fear rules them.
I've known a couple of these lunatics over the years. They carry their father's or uncle's childhood terror with them like it's a badge of bravery.
I've met plenty of brave men -- WWII marines, Vietnam combat grunts -- none carried a weapon. They might have kept a rifle stuffed in a box out in the garden shed, but that's it.
My tax attorney was a decorated Ke Sanh vet, won the Silver Star for capturing two North Vietnamese soldiers while on patrol one night. Toughest guy I've ever met, but he was sensible about weaponry. Didn't own one, didn't like gun culture. Gave it all up when he became a parent.
tavernier
(14,149 posts)My kind of hero.
Abolishinist
(2,866 posts)the size of a woman's breasts, for example, how do you think that would be accepted on DU? Are big ones better than small ones? I'm a male who happens to prefer those of of the smaller size... which political affiliation, in your way of thinking, does that make me?
To me, body parts are what they are, people are born with them. I really don't get the politicizing of them.
Care to explain?
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)Dr. Sigmund Freud, in his Introductory Lectures on Psychoanalysis (1933), expanded his theories on the interpretations of dreams to include weaponry as symbolizing the genitalia, and in particular, the penis.
According to Freud:
“All complicated machines and appliances are very probably the genitals — as a rule the male genitals — in the description of which the symbolism of dreams is as indefatigable as human wit. It is quite unmistakable that all weapons and tools are used as symbols for the male organ: e.g., ploughshare, hammer, gun, revolver, dagger, sword, etc.”
Along with this, Freud developed his theory of “penis envy” in girls and women. Seeing the father, who has a penis, as the seat of power and authority in the home, stated Freud: “Girls hold their mother responsible for their lack of a penis and do not forgive her for their being thus put at a disadvantage.”
While his theories, especially those relating to females, may seem misguided and misogynistic to many of us now, to Freud, the compulsion to own firearms stems from an unconscious need to compensate for a deep-seated psychological sense of insecurity and inadequacy in terms of power: in males, specifically for having a small or smaller-than-desired penis, and in females, in an attempt to symbolically grow a large penis.
Abolishinist
(2,866 posts)Do tell! No really, do tell!
Freud also had controversial views on women, believing that their lives were dominated by sexual reproductive functions. He even wrote, in 1925’s ‘The Psychical Consequences of the Anatomic Distinction Between the Sexes’ that ‘women oppose change, receive passively, and add nothing of their own’. To Freud, women were simply men without penises (Cohler & Galatzer-Levy, 2008), so naturally he introduced a stage of ‘penis envy’ – where a woman realises she does not possess a penis, and experiences an envy of the male, which accounted for much of female behaviour. Freud claimed that the only way they could overcome this penis envy was to have a child of their own – even going as far as to suggest they wanted a male child, in their efforts to gain a penis.
Why have most of Freud's theories been rejected?
The major reason why Sigmund Freud's approaches are no longer popular among academics and mental health professionals is that most of them are not supported by empirical data. In other words, they are not evidence-based. To be more precise, Freud formulated his approaches in a way that can not be empirically tested.
kcr
(15,522 posts)need someone who sticks up for them.
Abolishinist
(2,866 posts)Thanks so much!
flying_wahini
(8,238 posts)Would YOU care to explain?
Celerity
(53,341 posts)Same for monster trucks.
I have had both cishet female friends and gay male friends say that whilst dating, they indeed have noticed that tiny todgers ofttimes come with big rage issues, plus a lot of over-compensation.
soldierant
(9,216 posts)appears to be a male thing - which makes sense - in order to be a practical weapon, a weapon must be capable of causing damage to tissue, and damage by penetration is the most obvious form.
Women don't have genitalia which can be compared to weaponry (yes, I know about the prehistoric myth of the vagina dentata. But besides the fact that there is no such thing, the myth appears to have disappeared.) Breasts (which by the way are not genitalia, but at most erogenous zones) just don't resemble any kind of weapon. God knows women (of whom I am one) have insecurities about their bodies, and it isn't really possible to say what gender (of the many) has the most insecurities on average.
Correlating weapon usage with presumed penis size is not so much politicizing as armchair psychology. That there is some correlation between weapons use and political party is true, but correlation between any psychological trait and political party should be expected.
If you want to see what correlating - we'll call it politics - with body features actually looks like when the subject is a woman, recommend the cartoonist Mike Luckovich. He draws a MAGA couple which is very recognizable.- and interesting.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)First she called it the "Napoleon complex", then she called it the "small man syndrome".....Then she finally landed on:
*TEENIE WEENIE PEENIE SYNDROME*...........
I look at these gun toting MAGA's and think:
#1 Deep seated insecurities
#2 Undersized penis
I recall here in Denver, decades ago, when the Chief of Police bragged that there were only 13 Citizen Concealed Weapon Permits in the entire city of Denver.........
He must be turning over in his grave right now..............
I also remember the time when say you were a collector of firearms and wanted to purchase a Thompson Machine Gun, or any gun resembling a military assault weapon, you had to obtain a federal tax stamp for each of those weapons for 100 Dollars, (a lot of money back then) and renew it every year for a hundred bucks............If this law was still in effect, we could balance the budget and debt in just a few years....LOL
Anyone out there know anything about if this Federal Tax Stamp still exists??????????
yagotme
(4,126 posts)Full auto weapons, silencers, destructive devices, etc. It's a one-time tax. You may be thinking about a Class III license, which has to be renewed (for retail sale of Form 4 weapons).
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)Are there are a lot of people out there who buy the semi auto assault weapon, then go to a gun show, buy the three? small parts and covert it to full auto?
yagotme
(4,126 posts)1st, several years ago, companies were required to make their receivers narrower on the inside, precluding using the "drop in" full auto parts. One would have to mill out the receiver to readily accept those parts, which is illegal.
2. Buying/selling/owning class III parts without the proper paperwork, is illegal.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)for the info
yagotme
(4,126 posts)
Skittles
(168,943 posts)for every example of a would-be hero there are dozens of stories of their guns being used in suicides, accidental shootings, getting stolen by criminals, etc
an armed society is NOT "polite", it is FUCKED UP, it is PATHETIC
lastlib
(27,323 posts)Any time I hear someone trot out that stupid trope about an armed society being polite, I inquire, "like Somalia?" It generally shuts them up, or they mutter some stupid thing about "s***hole countries," etc.
MurrayDelph
(5,704 posts)He would also be my first target as a source of additional firepower.
rurallib
(64,479 posts)
Aristus
(71,453 posts)an interpretive dance would have worked just as well...
Attilatheblond
(8,026 posts)
dgauss
(1,479 posts)
womanofthehills
(10,672 posts)For all we know he could have experienced a mass shooting in the past and he’s paranoid.
womanofthehills
(10,672 posts)For all we know he could have experienced a mass shooting in the past and he’s paranoid.
Aristus
(71,453 posts)I nearly got greased by an Iraqi Scud missile in the Gulf in 1991. It doesn't make me want to acquire surface-to-surface missiles for personal protection.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Not once, not twice, but three times.
And yet I don't feel a need to have a life preserver with me whenever I need a drink of water, or a bath.
underpants
(194,311 posts) 
Hekate
(100,130 posts)
Silent Type
(12,287 posts)Love your description of ammosexual rubes.
RussellCattle
(1,928 posts)......we should have a right to know if the people around us are armed. I'm of the opposite opinion than the gun humpers who want "concealed carry" to feed into their fantasies of being the hero who shoots the "bad guy with a gun". If they had to wear a gun in open carry and see people avoid or shun their public presence, some, at least will rethink their actions.
LTNPB.
Silent Type
(12,287 posts)as a threat, or at least report them. It’s intimidation.
I agree with the “hero wannabe.” I always tell those kind they should carry a defibrillator because they are much more likely to need one.
RussellCattle
(1,928 posts)With this discussion having more than one reference to them being the first ones that a "Bad guy" will shoot, you'd think some might be having second thoughts, no?
Bundbuster
(4,018 posts)I'm not a violent or aggressive person, but would probably snap-interpret that show as a threat, after which there's no telling...
Love your wording of the vision.
Aristus
(71,453 posts)He looked as if he would come out blasting if someone cut a loud fart.
marybourg
(13,585 posts)I have left the premises after telling the person in charge, or at the front end, why I am doing so.
70sEraVet
(5,191 posts)And given the direction of our courts and legislatures, that may to the only tactic that will have any effect.
If stores start to realize that allowing customers to walk in carrying firearms, will result in the rest of their customers walking out, those businesses will start to put pressure on their politicians. And politicians DO listen to wealthy business owners!
(Apparently, so do Supreme Court Justices!)
Hekate
(100,130 posts)…”There’s a guy on Aisle 6 with a gun” to the first employee I see.
It is deliberate intimidation. How the hell are we supposed to know if he has a manifesto in his back pocket or not?
Srkdqltr
(9,221 posts)
odins folly
(510 posts)What a wonderfully articulate description……
JoseBalow
(9,046 posts)I would assume they were preparing to shoot up the place
sarisataka
(22,183 posts)I couldn't care much less
Mountainguy
(2,145 posts)I see people with guns on their belt most times I go out. I can't imagine the kind of issues somebody must have to make this kind of post about some guy in the grocery store minding his own business.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)You'd say they were the ones with issues.
Aristus
(71,453 posts)With the gun, it’s not unreasonable to assume that his business is ‘I hope I get to shoot somebody.’
womanofthehills
(10,672 posts)He could have been in a situation in the past where there was an active shooter , a friend or family member might have been killed by a gun, he might see so many mass shootings on tv that he’s paranoid, he could be an ex sheriff or cop or he could just be some crazy Republican guy with a gun. We really know nothing about him. What’s with the cargos & T shirt? Isn’t that what most Americans wear?
Ferrets are Cool
(22,488 posts)I have issues with fucking assholes carrying weapons in public scaring people just because they want to LOOK badass. They are not.
bahboo
(16,953 posts)
ShazzieB
(22,072 posts)
dflprincess
(29,107 posts)I have a cousin who is like that & the question even his mother asks is "What's wrong with him?"
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)I have a reason to carry at times. But as I said elsewhere and always; to me open carry is for suckers.
If the man was carrying concealed the poster would've walked right by him.
Celerity
(53,341 posts)you said:
Shameful.
That is most definitely a personal attack and you should take it down.
Open carry is a form of intimidation, often borne out (in the US especially) of fear, hatred and feelings of inadequacy.
I have never lived in an area (be it the UK or Sweden, or in the US, in Los Angeles) where it was legal.
I would feel extremely uncomfortable to see someone walking around projecting/displaying their potential to unholster/unsling and start spraying lead, especially with the rise of MAGAts and their scientifically embedded/programmed rage and snowflake/false victimhood tendencies.
Pro tip: The OP is not the ones with 'issues'.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)The post doesn’t strike me as a personal attack at all, and I don’t see any right wing framing.
Celerity
(53,341 posts)psychology. It is so self evident it is not worthy of any further reply, as I already commented on some of the main motivations, correctly pointing them out.
The very idea of open carry is foundationally abhorrent to me and is emblematic of how fucked up vast swathes of the US are. It is modern barbarism on parade.
Doc Sportello
(7,964 posts)"I can't imagine the kind of issues somebody must have to make this kind of post about some guy in the grocery store minding his own business.
The poster just said the OP has personal issues and that isn't an attack? Guess it's easy to see why you also don't see RW framing.
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Celerity
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I suppose you are going to claim this is not a persnal attack:
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Celerity
(53,341 posts)108. It makes zero difference when I signed up. A shill is a shill and you know because you're one yourself. Also a gatekeeper.
Home country: US/UK/Sweden. Who are you: an adult child of a CIA agent? Got MK Ultra? Do you think you're fooling anyone? You're trying to control a narrative that is dying by the day. The reptilians are toast and I have popcorn 🍿 for DAYS!!!!! 😎
Hekate
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NJCher
(42,190 posts)In interpersonal communication, we have a percentage figure of how much communication is nonverbal and how much is verbal. Nonverbal communication is a higher percentage than verbal.
This person was expressing a message nonverbally with his gun, his dress, his facial hair.
The message was not "would you like to come over for tea?"
I feel sorry for you that you live in a place where people think they need to wear a gun on their belt. A message of distrust and paranoia is what is being communicated.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)What message might that be? Have you seen his facial hair?
NJCher
(42,190 posts)Eom
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)I want to understand what that message might be.
NutmegYankee
(16,453 posts)Only asking because that's one of my favorite clothing set-ups during gardening season.
NJCher
(42,190 posts)can't really say because a nonverbal communication assessment involves the whole of the person's garb and persona.
In the case of this post, we got a succinct but vivid and thorough explanation of how this person appeared, so I felt comfortable saying what I did.
In your case, however, I'd have to see more but just off the top of my head, unless there are some other elements to your attire, it seems like practical clothing.
There is one exception to this, and that is what is called a ???. Can't think of the name of it, but I can give you an example. A baseball cap with a favorite team displayed. The person wants to convey his/her enthusiasm for the team.
NickB79
(20,203 posts)I've got the biggest beard at my job (but it's well-trimmed and gets combed/product daily), a buzzed head (because I'm balding) and muscles (because I work in a factory and my hobby farm). And I do worry people mistake me for a MAGA, but in reality I'm just trying to hide my baby face 🤣
NJCher
(42,190 posts)but there is a distinctive look for magat beards. Yours doesn't sound like it's that look.
madinmaryland
(65,642 posts)Captain Zero
(8,673 posts)During Covid I'm not sure whether or not they planned on shooting the virus or what?
womanofthehills
(10,672 posts)In NM, you can open carry at 19 - but get this - you have to be 21 to conceal carry. You don’t need a permit to open carry but you need one to conceal a gun.
I would rather see the gun than it be concealed. What are the conceal laws in your state?
Hekate
(100,130 posts)…the authorities come by to count all the bodies of the latest mass shooting?
This country has gone nuts.
TheProle
(3,860 posts)And unfashionable?
Fla_Democrat
(2,619 posts)
sarisataka
(22,183 posts)I am not looking into a mirror
marble falls
(70,074 posts)... but what's the problem? Those firearms are in a holster. What if I make a holster for my AK? Or my rocket launcher?
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GAJMac
(254 posts)And furthermore, were I a "bad guy" coming in to cause trouble, who would be my first targets? Those with obviously visible guns. C'mon, if I were planning to commit evil acts, I would be ready to shoot. These poor "wanna-be" super heroes would have to draw, try to aim, and fire. These folk need to leave their "penile extensions" at home, and grow a REAL pair if they want to impress.
NowISeetheLight
(4,002 posts)I had Concealed Carry Permits when I lived in both Arizona and South Carolina. I didn't really use them though. In Phoenix, one of our hospitals was in a bad area. I'd carry a gun in the car (well hidden) as a precaution when i went there for meetings. In South Carolina I'd take one to the baseball games at Flour Field in Greenville. The stadium was in East Greenville, which had some crime issues. Same deal, hidden in the car. Otherwise the guns stayed home.
I can't imagine wandering around with a 9mm on my hip all the time, even concealed, much less open carry.
Here in California I took the online class but didn't apply. They ask about mental health history and hospitalizations in the app. Having PTSD and ongoing VA treatment I figured forget it. Honestly though, I'd trust myself with a gun more than some of the people I've run into here.
RockRaven
(18,552 posts)yet afraid to go grocery shopping without a firearm on display.
Talitha
(7,634 posts)
Sogo
(6,905 posts)Kiind of like "vermin, threats from within, poisoning the blood of our country," no?
Skittles
(168,943 posts)the second one is racist tripe
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Is hardly a problem to worry about. Certainly not worth the gross rhetoric and unsupported personal attacks on an Internet forum. If someone is that offended then challenge them in person.
And to be clear, I think open carry is silly, but it’s largely legal in the U.S. and isn’t something that worries me when I encounter it.
Skittles
(168,943 posts)fuck them ALL
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)But it certainly isn’t someone who is simply exercising their constitutional rights.
Skittles
(168,943 posts)alrighty then 
over and OUT
ret5hd
(22,079 posts)i suddenly have an ear worm that won’t quit.
the lyrics go like this
Macho, macho man (macho man, yeah)
I gotta be a macho man (I gotta be a macho man)
Macho, macho man (yeah)
I gotta be a macho (oowh)
Macho, macho man (yeah)
I gotta be a macho man
Macho, macho man (yeah, yeah)
I gotta be a macho
maspaha
(696 posts)Read the Second Amendment.
Well REGULATED, ya know, the kind of well REGULATED where the guns & ammo are securely stored in an armory so young children aren’t mass murdered at school.
It’s the same Supreme Court that thinks I should die because I’m carrying a fetus who will also die. Fuck my husband and other children because they should suffer too.
You do not have a Constitutional right to open carry a firearm anywhere you want to. Try bringing it to a court house or airport.
rubbersole
(10,947 posts)..a NRA convention +++
bluestarone
(20,975 posts)These dimwits cannot see the truth right in front of them. They CANNOT open carry to ANY rallies. Try to carry to any court room or SC. IF TFG wins in 24 NO ONE will be carry in guns!! Hell Russia won't allow guns so that's what these asshole followers will get!
calimary
(88,707 posts)Swaggering around with a gun visible is just plain MENACING. And SHITTY. Seems like spoiling for a fight.
NJCher
(42,190 posts)Me: excuse me Mr. Gunhumper, your weapon is making me extremely uncomfortable.
Mr. Gunhumper: (TexasDem69 to fill in the blank)
???
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)a gun owner openly carrying is one of them. Bonus points if he's white or fat!
For the record, I'm a licensed owner but agree with you; open carry is for suckers.
Skittles
(168,943 posts)I pictured that EXACTLY
ShazzieB
(22,072 posts)I've literally never seen anyone other than a cop carrying a gun in a public place, and I'd just as soon keep it that way.
I don't object to responsible gun ownership, but I'd rather not have strangers with guns anywhere near me if I can help it. A stranger with a gun is first and foremost a stranger, which means I don't know them and I don't know if they can be trusted to behave responsibly. I would therefore feel uncomfortable being in close proximity to a rabdom person I don't know who is openly carrying a gun, and I'm glad I don't have to worry about that happening where I live.
hack89
(39,181 posts)Every day you will be in close proximity of one. I do not support open carry but I also know that banning it does not make me safer.
ShazzieB
(22,072 posts)But since I can't know, I see no point in worrying about it.
I honestly would feel more threatened by someone carrying openly, because I feel like that conveys an attitude of needing to advertise what a big, tough dude they are. Someone carrying a concealed weapon isn't trying to prove anything by being armed. I can't help but suspect that a person who feels like they have something to prove is more likely to do something risky or dumb.
No, I can't prove any of this, but that's how I see it.
hack89
(39,181 posts)Many of them have attitudes that are extremely troubling. Many are felons because they are intrinsically violent people.
Not many mass shooters open carry, now do they?
ShazzieB
(22,072 posts)If you're trying to get me to say open carry is just fine and dandy, it's not going to happen. A difference of opinion is one thing, but this about how I feel. You don't get to tell people how they're supposed to feel.
I'm not sure why you care about my opinion anyway. Open carry is legal in 45 states, so there seem to be a lot of other people who agree with you. Sorry if my not being one of them is unacceptable to you.
hack89
(39,181 posts)But banning it does not make you safer. All those dangerous people who are now open carrying will now carry concealed. Explain to me how that makes them less dangerous.
ShazzieB
(22,072 posts)I don't have any hard facts about whether people who carry concealed weapons are more dangerous than open carriers, and I never claimed that one was safer than another. All I know is that I feel uncomfortable seeing random people with guns in public places.
I don't have to justify why something makes me feel a certain way to you or anyone else, and I am really not interested pursuing this any further.
OAITW r.2.0
(31,188 posts)to show us his 2A right.
On edit....it's a hammer looking for a nail. A small nail.
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Is being overweight a prerequisite to open carry or some correlation I was unaware of?
Anyway, I’ve seen it a few times in all the areas I’ve lived in—very blue northern Virginia, very red Montana, purplish Fort Worth, Texas. I hardly even notice. If someone wants to exercise their legal right to openly carry a firearm why should I care? I’m certainly not going to judge the person or jump to unsupported conclusions. And I assume there are many more people who carry a concealed weapon.
OAITW r.2.0
(31,188 posts)But....take this into hi-density population centers....well, that's just a flag for "steer clear, gun nut".
Aristus
(71,453 posts)I used to carry a weapon for a living. In the U.S. Army. I qualified Expert on the M-16 rifle and the Beretta 9mm pistol, and crewed a tank that shot a superior score in live-fire training.
And I had to be in top physical condition in order to meet the hardships that come with actually, truly, genuinely defending something. Every single day. Push-ups, sit-ups, a five-mile run. Weight-lifting at the gym three times a week.
Oh, and while I was doing all that, the firearms I underwent constant training to use well were locked up tight in the arms room. I wasn’t allowed to just strut around with them.
Having put in the hard work of helping defend a nation, I don’t give a shit for someone who thinks swaggering around with deadly weaponry is just ‘exercising his Second Amendment rights’.
maspaha
(696 posts)He’s a victim. He can’t get a good job because women & immigrants take them all. Women reject him because of his looks. So, he carries his penis, uh I mean gun, on his hip to look more masculine. He wants everyone to know he’s ready to take names and kick ass…right after lunch.
Mountainguy
(2,145 posts)to attack peoples looks, sex, body, and assumed intelligence/mental illness based on nothing more than if you agree with a totally legal choice they make.
I have my own opinions on if open carry is a good idea or if it's better to keep a lower profile, carrying or not. But whatever those are I don't think it gives me the right to say that kind of stuff about people.
NickB79
(20,203 posts)No appendix carry for one, where you put the gun down the front of your pants, if your gut hangs over your belt.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,580 posts)and find -among the folds- the top of her waistband so she could shove her holster in there. After a few tries, she got it secure, sort of, and waddled towards the entrance. We decided to leave and go find another store at which to shop.
eggplant
(4,126 posts)
LexVegas
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hunter
(40,290 posts)Perhaps it's a good thing I live in a place where that open carry shit is against the law and an open invitation for the police to shoot you or a smirking fourteen year old gangster to relieve you of your guns.
I can't help but notice that "open carry" is most popular in places where it isn't actually dangerous.
In these places it's merely cosplay.
EarnestPutz
(2,843 posts)...... that concealed carry should be illegal and open carry be regulated and permitted. A knife in my pocket makes me guilty of "carrying a concealed weapon", a crime. So how is it that a concealed gun is thought to be OK?
When states like Flor-i-duh eliminate all restrictions and permits for concealed carry, it really is a step in the wrong direction.
grumpyduck
(6,672 posts)and seeing both sides of the argument, I totally believe that these people going around with guns on their hips are just a bunch of juvenile wanna-be assholes playing tough guy. If they were so tough they wouldn't need to go around showing their toys just because the 2A says they can. And that's my personal opinion expressed 'cuz the 1A says I can.
Skittles
(168,943 posts)here's a hint: if you need to display a lethal weapon to go out to get groceries, YOU'RE A GUN HUMPER
PatSeg
(51,735 posts)You create a very vivid and disturbing picture.
Aristus
(71,453 posts)n/t
Warpy
(114,322 posts)to be swaggering around with a gun in a fucking grocery store?
I just can't wrap my head around being that scared all the time.
ret5hd
(22,079 posts)(endangered white male, soon to be placed on the federal endangered species list. Very rare. How would you feel if every day there were fewer and fewer of your kind around…your very way of life threatened with extinction, your wimmen-folk barefoot and scared, your children barely able to pray, your dear muther afraid to take a white man for a third husband? I’m tellin’ ya’, you’d feel different then)
Aristus
(71,453 posts)I should probably BE that guy. But I’m not.
I’m a bleeding-heart, campfire, kum-ba-ya, peace and love, pro-gun-control liberal.
I would have loved to show that guy my Gulf War medals. But I don’t keep them strapped to my hip. 
Skittles
(168,943 posts)gun humpers are pathetic cowards
homegirl
(1,907 posts)Big fat target. Out with one well placed shot!
LoisB
(12,163 posts)Maybe he thought he would have to kill a steer in the meat department in order to get his steak.
Jack-o-Lantern
(1,018 posts)the Canadian government some time ago issued a travel advisory to warn Canadians of potential risks from gun violence while traveling in the US...made me ashamed wondering, what the Canadians must think of this country.
RainCaster
(13,347 posts)I will drop whatever it is I'm shipping for, and I leave.
Liberal In Texas
(15,881 posts)It doesn't matter if it's legal, the stores are private property and they can make their own rules.
If that is the case where you live, I would find a manager and ask them to tell the gunner to leave. We shouldn't have to put up with this BS.
RainCaster
(13,347 posts)Liberal In Texas
(15,881 posts)I haven't had this happen to me but I probably wouldn't stick around either. Maybe leave and call the store from your car or something. But the manager needs to know you aren't shopping in their store because there is a gunner walking around inside.
Skittles
(168,943 posts)there are a lot of cowards in the "home of the brave"
NoMoreRepugs
(11,757 posts)NJCher
(42,190 posts)Reminded him to get a banana for his pocket.
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Sewa
(1,564 posts)He thinks there’s going to be a civil war.
He carries the pistol in front, so if he had to pull out in an emergency he would probably shoot himself in the balls, lol.
Aristus
(71,453 posts)Do a YouTube search with the words “Ow! Shit! I shot myself!”.
Ladies and gentlemen: the open carriers…
Skittles
(168,943 posts)Aristus
(71,453 posts)
She must have thought that it was a tyrannical government MRI machine…
StarryNite
(11,942 posts) oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)And MANY are also armed. 300 million+ guns in the country & they think the GOP owns ALL of them?
moonshinegnomie
(3,790 posts)If im a bad guy up to no good nd planning something I'm taking out te open carry fools first
madamesilverspurs
(16,449 posts)which tends to old lady recklessness these days, I'd be inclined to nudge him gently with my walker, smile sweetly at him through my tri-focals, and whisper "Sweetie, viagra is cheaper!"
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grumpyduck
(6,672 posts) 
GoodRaisin
(10,669 posts)“well, there’s a dumbass”.
I_UndergroundPanther
(13,324 posts)These degenerate brainwashed sheep of trumps are detached from reality they lie to themselves so much. Problem is these ken and karen trash are armed.
Bet he's itching to use that gun. Probably played out thousands of fantasies where he imagines himself a soldier for maga and lauded as a y'all queda hero. Hopefully he will find himself outsmarted on the wrong end of his own gun and regrets open carrying a weapon anyone could take from him. As the cops crowbar his ample ass into the plexiglass box built into the cop car for violent criminals. So tired of these pathetic scared obnoxious toxic specimens of devolution . Always the unkempt beard too.
My beard is scraggly because I am trans and don't want to lose a single hair,but unlike a magat I dress and condition my meagre scraggly goat happy that I have it..
Kaleva
(40,106 posts)You must have quite a bit of experience yourself with guns. Not trying to imply that is a bad thing but I couldn't do that.
Delphinus
(12,463 posts)something up thread about being in the Gulf War, so he probably does have some experience with guns.
Kaleva
(40,106 posts)TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)A semiautomatic pistol is a Glock. Watched too many movies.
malthaussen
(18,354 posts)Tank crews carried Glocks as personal sidearms in that period.
-- Mal
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,453 posts)Some have recently been approved and issued, but only to special forces. Beretta M9's have been the standard issue for everyone else since the 1980s and have only been recently replaced by a Sig M17 and M18. The Army has never been a fan of handguns without a manual safety.
That said, it isn't hard to identify a glock. A 10 year old who plays Call of Duty could probably id one.
malthaussen
(18,354 posts)Aristus
(71,453 posts)I spent most of my hitch as a loader, because I was good at it, and could load that gun fast. I also served as the driver for a while. And was just beginning more intensive simulator training in order to move up to tank gunner when I got out of the Army. But I was never the tank commander.
I was also never issued a Glock as a sidearm. (I just know what they look like).
My original sidearm, and the one I deployed to the Gulf with was the (even then) ancient M1911A1 Colt .45 semi-automatic. I can't remember what skill level I qualified with on that one. But when we got back from the Gulf, we were all issued brand new Beretta 9mm semis, and I swiftly qualified Expert with it.
I know what a lot of sidearms look like, even if I never used them the same way I know what most of the tanks in the world look like, even though I never crewed them: I studied them all very carefully.
Thanks for sticking up for me. It is appreciated.
Kaleva
(40,106 posts)I have nowhere close to that level of expertise.
I could identify if a holstered gun was a semiautomatic or a revolver but that's about it .
LittleGirl
(8,925 posts)
tornado34jh
(1,516 posts)But I have seen cars and people with stuff like NRA or the Three Percenters. It's absolutely ridiculous. Some of the gated communities here like Lakeland Harbor, Carlton Arms, and Foxwood Village are notorious for having them.
Blue Owl
(58,053 posts)Where one of these MAGA bozos blows their own dick off or shoots themself in the ass
Skittles
(168,943 posts)Blue Owl
(58,053 posts)
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Axelrods_Typewriter
(298 posts)Never once have I felt the need to take one into public, except for the purpose of taking one to a shooting range. I certainly never felt the need to take one into a damn store. I've always looked upon those who have as trashy, paranoid, overgrown little boys who needed to grow the hell up.
brewens
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Goddessartist
(2,176 posts)of someone doing that. I lived there for 8 years, after moving off of Vashon, then moving back to Vashon (much safer here).
I'd love to know which grocery store, as I know the owner of one of the Tacoma stores.
Also, we'd love to invite you over to Vashon for coffee sometime. We're in our 60's.
Aristus
(71,453 posts)It doesn’t happen much around here, either. That’s what caught my attention.
unweird
(3,271 posts)Recall seeing an armed jackwagon in the Ballard Fred Meyer about 4-5 years ago. Yes, it was startling and a risk to my loud mouthed self to try and keep my mumbling inaudible.
UpInArms
(53,854 posts)If he was
1) the guy who was going to shoot up the store?
2) the guy who thought he was protecting people if someone shot up the store
3) if he got an early Xmas gift
Chainfire
(17,757 posts)It is a pathetic outreach. Open carry screams, "Hey, look at me, I am special." If the man ever becomes involved in a shooting, that he does not initiate, his open carry sends the clear message to the threat, "Shoot me first."
cab67
(3,561 posts)Supermarket near my partner's apartment. They were mostly white retirement-aged men. They were compensating for a small unmentionable, had been watching too much Fox "News," or both.
I honestly don't get the mindset. If it's that dangerous to go to a store, I go somewhere else.
Hotler
(13,701 posts)maspaha
(696 posts)Sometimes they’re the worst because they’re unaware of their actions and are convinced of their benevolence. Speaking from 40 years of experience working in a male dominated profession
(4.92% women as of 2022)
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,453 posts)Michigan has/had a well organized open carry group that would hold "protests" to show that open carry was legal in the state. Cops were called in a few cases and eventually, after losing in court multiple times, cities and police departments quit bothering them. Some took a passive approach and would observe them to see if they were acting erratically. Other departments essentially quit responding to the calls on a open carrier or downgraded them to non emergency responses.
After that, the number of open carriers I've seen around here dropped. I mainly saw them up north. But in the past year or so, I'm starting to see more and more people carrying handguns openly. Not sure why the sudden uptick.
flying_wahini
(8,238 posts)Wish I had been there to taunt him.
Gore1FL
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BlueTexasMan
(179 posts)you have an admirable way with words!
Aristus
(71,453 posts)
From a BlueFormerTexasMan.
albacore
(2,738 posts)As soon as I'm out of the store - and that would be quickly - I'm calling 911....
Me: "Man with a gun!"
911: "Is he threatening anyone?"
Me: "How would I know? Send the cops to find out!"
TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)Is no way to live your life.
albacore
(2,738 posts)Ever been shot at? Ever see what a high-velocity round does to a person? If you have, and you think that seeing a guy with a gun in an inappropriate place is just fine, you are more fucked up that I can imagine.
I've seen those things.. plenty... and I didn't go thru all the shit I did to get clipped in some goddam grocery store by some limpdick with a gun and a bad mood.
Cry wolf, my ass.
yagotme
(4,126 posts)But, I guess you knew that, right? "Feeling uncomfortable" isn't a reason.
albacore
(2,738 posts)..."uncomfortable"?
NO... "threatened"... and if you don't know why I'd feel threatened, check the random shooting body count sometime.
Let the cops decide.
sarisataka
(22,183 posts)Ring any bells?
albacore
(2,738 posts)sarisataka
(22,183 posts)Too bad, his tragic story should not be forgotten.
But as I see where you value life, it may not matter. Just an "ooopsie"
albacore
(2,738 posts)yagotme
(4,126 posts)(albacore on 911) "Help, Police, send someone right away, there's an armed man here threatening me!"
(911) "What does he look like?"
(a) "He looks like a MAGAT, and he has a gun in a holster!"
(9) "Well, open carry is allowed in this jurisdiction. Does he have it out, waving it around?"
(a) "No. But I still feel threatened!"
(9) "What is he doing, exactly?"
(a) "Standing over there by the rutabagas!"
(9) "Did he verbally threaten you?"
(a) "No, I haven't talked to him."
(9) "Then stop bothering us, or we'll come arrest you for a false call."
albacore
(2,738 posts)Knowing what I'd say...knowing what the cops would say..
How about I talk for myself?
Me.... "...guy with a gun in a grocery store."
Cops... "Is he threatening anybody."
Me... "I didn't wait around to find out. Send somebody if you want to find out if he's gonna light the place up or not."
yagotme
(4,126 posts)is an abuse of the 911 system, which you can possibly be arrested for. Please tell me you understand this.
albacore
(2,738 posts).. man with a gun in a grocery store, this country is more fucked in the head than I thought.
And my lawyer would have a field day.
yagotme
(4,126 posts)you will most likely eventually see a man with a gun in the store. Doesn't mean you're in danger. How do you know he is going to threaten/harm you? Psychic, much?
albacore
(2,738 posts)yagotme
(4,126 posts)is NOT a reason to call the cops. Who's the dense one here???
hunter
(40,290 posts)I rarely call the cops for anything, they tend to shoot first and ask questions later. One of our neighbors got killed that way after he inexplicably brought his military style gun into a local fast food place. Possibly a suicide-by-cop. Or maybe he was just there to complain about the chicken nuggets. Sad either way.
Open carry is illegal where I live, as it should be. Anyone who carries a gun in public is a dangerous fool.
ecstatic
(34,992 posts)it was a either a glock or some other type of handgun attached to his waist. But he was kind of a little guy. Short. Skinny.
The thing is, being in Georgia, even in a "blue" area, every other guy in the store was likely conceal carrying.
Any civilian with his gun visible is asking for trouble in these parts.
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)And he'd get it before YOU could react to him grabbing it.
hunter
(40,290 posts)... looking to impress his gang.
Patton French
(1,813 posts)Call the police.
Lurker Deluxe
(1,085 posts)Do you know the source of most stolen hand guns?
Parked cars.
When I used to hunt, most everyone in the forest carried a sidearm. Personally I carried on S&W 357 Mag with a 6" barrel, on my hip pretty much always, even while in camp.
Most of us did, those that did not did not have on to carry.
When we would go into town for whatever reason if there was an extra person we would just leave someone in the truck ... guns are safe, or if they were staying at camp leave it there. Alone with a handgun ... it comes in the store with me.
When we split up after the length of the hunt/trip we would mostly go our separate ways. If on the way back home I needed to stop and go into a store the handgun came with, always when alone.
There was always another gun/s in the truck, usually a 30-30 and a shot gun. Older guns which are 'beaters", a gun that shoots straight but is older and not really worth much. You do not hunt in the national forest (where we always went) with a "pretty" rifle. To many chances for it to get beat up, scratched, dropped, or otherwise damaged. The holstered handgun was almost always in a full leather holster (hip) with a coat (cold in hunting season) over the top.
Get caught in a rainstorm that rifle is getting soaked while the handgun stays toasty warm and safe.
When going into the store the handgun would be on the hip and generally a lighter jacket covering it ... but visible, depending on the coat. Depending on where we were hunting determined what city I would stop in to get groceries. National forest in Ratcliff, straight home to Houston with a possible gas stop. National forest in Arkansas, at least 2 stops and most likely one overnight. Before pay at the pump, handgun was on the hip when going in to pay.
We always considered that "responsible" as we could not be responsible for a stolen handgun on the streets. You want that 25 year old lever action 30-30 or that 15 year old pump 12 ... ok, but you are not getting that $1200 357.
Not every single person who walks into a store with a handgun is being irresponsible, for some it could be the exact opposite. And to think that looks have something to do with that is crazy, been 10 days tent camping in the national forest and headed home ... pretty sure I look a little disheveled.
Vinca
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TheBlackAdder
(29,923 posts)Don't be surprised to find a goober hiding in the background with their cell phone out to record things.