General Discussion
Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsPro-Palestine protestors storm Democratic holiday party. One woman punched in face
https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/woman-punched-in-face-as-protesters-of-israeli-hamas-war-disrupt-holiday-party-in-detroitDETROIT (WXYZ) — "It was something we never expected," said 91-year-old Bernice Smith about the shoving match and what some have called a violent disturbance that was sparked during the holiday party for the 13th Congressional District Democratic Party Saturday evening.
Smith attended the annual event with her sons and was stunned when protesters began chanting thirty seconds after U.S. Representative Shri Thanedar began to address his constituents at the Common Pub near Wayne State University.
The protesters, some wearing shirts that read "Free Palestine," were calling for a cease-fire in Gaza.
One woman was punched in the face as she and a number of other people attending the party tried to push the protesters outside of the venue.
= new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight:
NoneDon't highlight anything
5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
Lovie777
(22,898 posts)doesn't seem like it.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...so it would be useless trying to appeal to them to stop supporting ultra-rightwing netanyahu's actions, don't you think?
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Interesting turn of phrase.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...they were most definitely making an appeal for a ceasefire, it says that in the article:
"The protesters, some wearing shirts that read "Free Palestine," were calling for a cease-fire in Gaza."
No doubt about that.
That's why they were there, yes.
brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)FORCE any response, it calls for one.
WhiteTara
(31,257 posts)was used.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...yes, a more reasonable response after they refused to leave would have been to call the police and charge them with trespassing.
But obviously, the protesters couldn't force the partiers to consider the lives of the innocent, non-hamas civilians being killed by netanyahu's actions, they could only hope to make an impression that would spark some consideration on the topic.
WhiteTara
(31,257 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...I didn't see that in the video posted in this thread.
Are there other videos somewhere?
WhiteTara
(31,257 posts)Merry Crisis everyone.
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...yes, some people don't want to hear what other people have to say, that's true.
Remember when folks got upset because a group of protesters were voicing there opinion about the existential threat of climate change (Joe Biden's words) that delayed a game of tennis once?
SlimJimmy
(3,251 posts)I'm sure they were just voicing their opinions.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...I don't agree with the violence.
Could you explain what you mean?
Sal_NV
(606 posts)they were not invited, they were told to leave, they refused, they were being removed by whatever force was required, therefore, the punch to the woman's face was an assault and battery because there is no self defense claim while in the commission of a crime.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...the response has to be appropriate.
The next step after telling a person 3 times to leave is having the police charge them with trespassing.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)If nothing else, you are comical and completely uninformed.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...that someone can use any amount of force against any law breaker, then I suggest you might be mistaken (where stand your ground laws don't apply, that is).
Sal_NV
(606 posts)its painfully obvious at this point that you know nothing about the law and you should just quit defending these thugs because you're the ONLY one here defending them.
But, what the hey, you keep doing you.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)tritsofme
(19,886 posts)It’s pretty obvious what’s going on there.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...please say it.
OilemFirchen
(7,288 posts)C'mon. Spit it out.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...hardy har-har.
Am I right?
Cha
(318,824 posts)Response to Cha (Reply #217)
Post removed
Cha
(318,824 posts)on Record. 
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Cha
(318,824 posts)Like 💙🕊️🕯️🌈🌊🏝️
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Cha
(318,824 posts)No favors for anyone.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Sick shit to keep asking to watch that when they know what the video contains.
Cha
(318,824 posts)At first I thought if was the 91 year old but further searching I found the Vid and it was this woman..
" they badly injured black community activist Ms. Bobbie Avington-Johnson, who remains in the hospital."
Link to tweet
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=18540774
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Cha
(318,824 posts)They can "say" anything they want.. but their actions tell a different story.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)
MichMan
(17,108 posts)Sal_NV
(606 posts)From what I've read, reasonable force was being used to remove these thugs, it was the thug who punched an elderly woman in the face.
MichMan
(17,108 posts)they were not invited, they were told to leave, they refused, they were being removed by whatever force was required, therefore, the punch to the woman's face was an assault and battery because there is no self defense claim while in the commission of a crime."
According to what you said, protesters not complying with orders deserve any amount of force deemed to be required.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)They were asked to leave and after refusing to disperse, they were ejected.
The protesters were committing a crime.
They crashed a holiday party full of Democratic, elderly, black seniors, not at all analogous to police actions against lawful BLM protesters but do go on exposing yourself
MichMan
(17,108 posts)and said once people were told to leave and didn't, any amount of force required to get them to leave was acceptable.
I asked for clarification if that same statement also applied to police actions in other types of situations involving protesters. I am all in favor of police being allowed to respond appropriately, not given a blank check for any amount
Arazi
(8,881 posts)Protesters illegally trespassing at a private party are not the same as legal protesters at a permitted event.
They’re going to be handled differently (or should be theoretically as we’ve seen cops ignore the law when it comes to BLM protests)
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...attendees of the event attempted to forcefully remove the trespassers.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)
Mossfern
(4,710 posts)it's perfectly legal to push them out.
MichMan
(17,108 posts)From the OP
Arazi
(8,881 posts)Mossfern
(4,710 posts)Did the owner of the establishment approve of the protesters harassing his guests?
I doubt it. I see a lot of nit picking in this thread and so many wanna be "gotcha's".
This was a private party, the protesters crashed, they weren't there to celebrate Christmas; they were there to cause mayhem because surely they weren't winning over anyone to their cause by their behavior. As a matter of fact, their actions (the protesters) would lose support for their cause.
This thread is fill of shit stirring and does this forum no favors.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...just 'asked' them to leave?
May I ask you why, after you said you watched the video, are you saying these things?
It doesn't make any sense that you're making up things that anyone can see on the video didn't happen, what is it that you're attempting to do here?
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Sal_NV
(606 posts)There is a difference here.
Oh, and when did BLM illegally invade a private party on private grounds?
I must have missed that.
Response to Sal_NV (Reply #228)
Think. Again. This message was self-deleted by its author.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)because it certainly wasn't directed at you.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...when threads get so long I can't see the line of discussions on my phone.
I do apologize and will delete that post.
Happy Holidays.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)Happy Holidays to you and your family.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Some people will always take the side of hurting Democrats.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Cha
(318,824 posts)of fucking Bullies. And, There's No excuse for anyone defending that.
Welcome back, Sal!
Sal_NV
(606 posts)
I'm hurtin for certain, but I'll survive, luckily.
Cha
(318,824 posts)it will take awhile after what Happened but you're on your way Thankfully
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)LymphocyteLover
(9,812 posts)way too man y of these pro-Palestine activists just seem like jerks.
yardwork
(69,304 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...deliberately switching two seperate definitions of the word.
yardwork
(69,304 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)shrike3
(5,370 posts)I know a few who fall into that category. The Dems and only the Dems are in their crosshairs.
Deep State Witch
(12,706 posts)They'd rather go after old ladies and punch them in the face. Some Republican would take out his concealed-carry Desert Eagle and blow them away.
shrike3
(5,370 posts)The ideology -- I'm talking only of the lefties I know -- seems to be that Dems are responsible for everything because they know better but let it all happen anyway. I have pointed out, on more than one occasion, "Republicans do X. Republicans do Y." The response I get is, "Of course, they do." Then the leftie resumes with the party line as how Democrats are responsible for everything. The idea seems to be -- these are only lefties I know -- that the Democratic party should be burnt to the ground, taken out, and then the far left will step into its place and all will be well.
Obviously, I'm speaking in general terms, not this particular incident in Detroit. I happen to agree with your assessment re Detroit: thugs will go after a target they think can't or won't challenge them. Goes for thugs on both sides of the political spectrum.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Cha
(318,824 posts) 
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...how can you say it's cowardly?
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Bravery isn't about doing useless things.
Red Mountain
(2,336 posts)and it was useless. Counterproductive, even. Glad we agree.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)I'd ask if you have a point, but why bother?
"Willful ignorance can't be educated. Stupidity can't be reasoned with. Moral cretins can't be rescued."
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...the point I've been trying to make is that the pro-Palestinian (which does not mean pro-hamas unless you're racist) protesters were loud and were trespassing, yes, but it was the partiers who were willing to start using physical engagement to get their way in that public space.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)That is a misstatement of fact, based on a misunderstanding of law, in the interest of excusing people who put a woman in her nineties in the hospital, in the course of doing something that cannot achieve its purported purpose, but only benefit those who seek disunion on the left in furtherance of dreams the right will take over in consequence, and then we'll see a real revolution....
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...what you have stated is an opinion.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Viva La Revolucion! Up against the wall, MFers! 
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Arazi
(8,881 posts)Once the protesters refused to leave they were illegally trespassing.
They were illegally in the bar. Let me repeat that. Illegally in the bar (a private space, not
public).
Patrons at the party at the urging of the bar owner began to force them outside whereupon the protesters beat up old, black folks. The patrons at the party had every right to eject the disruptive, ILLEGAL protesters. Thank god only one person was injured by these idiots
The only wrongdoing here is by the pro-Palestinian protesters, despite your willful denial of the facts. I’d accuse you of trolling but that would violate the TOS
CincyDem
(7,388 posts)It’s almost as if there’s a reason she deserved it…like getting punched up was her fault. That’s some weird logic.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)EX500rider
(12,562 posts)
W_HAMILTON
(10,328 posts)So, that excuse of yours fails.
Cha
(318,824 posts)a genius to see the Difference between Fascist Nazi fans and Democracy.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)So there's that.
Cha
(318,824 posts) 
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)relayerbob
(7,420 posts)As it leads to Armageddon. They support Hamas as long as it’s Anti-Semitic. Don’t expect logic or consistency from them. Whatever it takes to meet their goals of taking over everything, it’s ok by them.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)..and people keep saying we should be appealing to them to stop the civilian casualties in Gaza, as though they would do anything.
ZonkerHarris
(25,577 posts)on the issue.
Without that changing then nothing will
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 22, 2023, 08:13 AM - Edit history (1)
Edit to add;
Although I strongly agree that rightwing minds need to be changed, I do not believe that protesting or appealing to them to do the right thing will achieve that at all.
I suspect people with a rightwing mindset would abuse the conversation to attempt to paint the 'Free Palestine' movement as racist, bigotted, violent, and hate-filled, despite the fact that the movement is made up of a wide diversity of people from all walks of life who are obviously and only fighting against violence and hate.
Basic projection.
That's how rightwing minds work.
It's right out of their playbook; "Always accuse your enemies of your own sins" -Joseph Goebbels,
maxrandb
(17,415 posts)This stuff is nothing but classic Retrumplican rat-f@#king.
Expect more of this as desperate Retrumplicans try to replicate the Chicago 1968 Dem Convention.
Let's keep our focus on the real threat to America - Our very own 3RD Reich rising to power in the Retrumplican Party.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)The level of bullshit has ratfucking written all over it.
Too many have fallen for Kremlin propaganda spinning Hamas as the good guys resulting in bullshit attacks on Dems.
I mean, this was a Democratic Christmas party that was invaded… not a coincidence
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,475 posts)...they had special T-shirts made just for the occasion. In case there was any doubt who was behind it. SMH.
ms liberty
(11,221 posts)Where many of us older folks know how bad this kind of behavior is for their cause, and younger people don't, because we remember how well this behavior went over in the 60's. I was a kid and I remember it well. Adults and the PTB don't respond well to this kind of protest. In the 60's, this is the kind of protesting that led to us getting a crook named Nixon, who ran as a "law and order" candidate, because someone needed to clamp down on all those lawless, disrespectful young hooligans with their rock music and maryjuwana.
It's also really stupid and doesn't do anything to help your cause.
Walleye
(44,699 posts)yardwork
(69,304 posts)This behavior is driven by propaganda funded by Mr. Putin and other billionaires who want to create chaos and get Trump back in the White House.
The chaos is the point.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...civil rights protesters, Viet Nam protesters, Women's Vote protesters, and others who might disagree with you.
mopinko
(73,680 posts)old enough to have been there in the 60’s. part of the reason we r still fighting some of those battles is that some folks never got over the weathermen, et al.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Though there were some breakaway groups, they didn’t attack old people. Women’s lib protestors did not go around slugging nonagenarians (or anyone else) and putting them in the hospital. Most Vietnam era protestors were also peaceful, if noisy.
Yeah, I remember the exceptions, but I can’t think of a single group among them who would endorse what just happened.
Jesus Christ on a Trailer Hitch. Examine yourself.
yardwork
(69,304 posts)There were those types in the 60s, too. They didn't accomplish anything but they were convinced that it was them who "ended the war."
Can't be reasoned with.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Like I say, I remember egregious exceptions, but nearly all of the injured and killed were the protestors themselves.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Gandhian non-violent resistance is the purest distillate of guerrilla strategy.
The method of guerrilla war is to act in a manner which provokes an opponent to violence, so heavy-handed and atrocious as to call into question the political legitimacy of the opponent. The usual means employed is atrocious acts by the guerrillas, but either of small enough scale they are dwarfed by the response, or well enough aimed many people find them supportable as rough justice. Somebody kills a policeman, everybody nearby is beaten, look at the vicious cruelty of our opponent!
Gandhian non-violence skips the 'inflict minor atrocity' step. Rather, it finds some action the opponent must either break with violence, or allow to proceed in open violation of its authority. It is a startlingly cruel method, by the lights of anyone who considers doing violence a great wrong, for by engaging in it, you are tempting another to a profound sin. It's strong stuff, not to be suggested or undertaken lightly.
"Saints are to be presumed guilty till proved innocent."
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Rev. King studied Gandhi’s writings, and no doubt those old news reels as well.
When we watched what happened to King’s peaceful resisters, from hot coffee poured on their heads to fire hoses and police dogs, it was a moral shock. Likewise when student protestors were gunned down at Kent State, it was a moral shock to the nation.
This current event though, is placing the so-called “protestors” firmly on the side of those thuggishly beating on the innocent.
betsuni
(29,045 posts)
JustAnotherGen
(38,037 posts)Didn't put up a fight on the bridge.
Because of him - black folks don't have to take beating anymore.
They ought to be ashamed of themselves.
My response to their behavior is the same response I had to Trump telling the Proud Boys to "stand back and stand by" . . .
We are not our great grandfathers and great grandmothers. We don't have to step off the sidewalk for anyone - anymore.
Not even pro Gaza protestors.
She could have been my Aunt Dorothy or Auntie DeOliver. I know I know . . .
It's okay to beat up on an elderly black woman - because our Aunts and Mothers and Grams don't count.
They are fist fodder for the right wing and their useful idiots.
betsuni
(29,045 posts)JI7
(93,561 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...I agree they shouldn't have started shoving and physically removing the protesters but I wouldn't call them disgusting thugs.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)What would you call them?
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...they DID assault the peaceful protesters who were well within their rights to defend themselves.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)They were uninvited party crashers.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)A partygoer was punched by protesters who trespassed a private Christmas party and you’re seriously going to defend that?
Quelle surprise…
This was a Democratic Party Christmas affair. We support Dems here fyi, and typically aren’t thrilled to see them attacked but you do you
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...I am just as appalled by the violence started by Democratic partiers as anyone else.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)The pro-Palestinian thugs at the party, and your comments up and down this thread, are not helping that cause.
Add on your cheerleading for an assault on Dems and it encapsulates the effect of propaganda
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...the protesters reacted to that assault.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)That’s illegal.
They were bounced out which happens every day at private venues and events. When they were legally ejected from crashing a Dem Christmas party, they reacted with violence.
You’re so far down the Hamas propaganda rabbit hole you’ve utterly lost the way.
Smdh
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)But here's goes, again...
I am anti-hamas.
Also..
Palestinian does not equal hamas.
Mexican does not equal rapist.
American does not equal maga.
Trans does not equal child predator.
And on and on..
Arazi
(8,881 posts)At a Christmas party put on by a Democratic MOC.
I can’t believe I have to keep writing this l but pro-Palestinian protesters illegally trespassing WILL be removed and if they start a brawl while illegally trespassing and getting removed for illegally trespassing , it’s their fault.
Yours, and their, persistent belief in “protesting” like this is because you’ve been suckered into thinking this bullshit is ok because you’ve bought into Hamas propaganda
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)I am anti hamas.
Palestinian does not equal hamas.
Mexican does not equal rapist.
American does not equal maga.
Trans does not equal child predator.
And on and on..
Mossfern
(4,710 posts)Simple
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...the crowd that made up the protester group in the video, didja?
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Cha
(318,824 posts)
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Ace Rothstein
(3,373 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...it's because of how people are mis-interpreting what I post.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)you are defending these thugs against those that were at the private party, that's the bottom line and you seem to be the only one here doing so.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...the violence was started by the partiers when they laid hands on the trespassers.
I am trying to keep an honest perspective on what happened.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)the violence started when those thugs invaded an event they weren't invited to and then refused to leave when asked.
Crack a law book and learn something.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...would have been to charge them with trespassing.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)
tazkcmo
(7,419 posts)Bouncers physically throw disrupters out of the bar. Crash my private party and the same will happen even if I agree.
sheshe2
(97,451 posts)No one is misinterpreting what you said. They forced their way into a private event, disrespecting the rights of the 'partiers' and blame said partiers, that happen to be Democrats, ie you blame Democrats. Reminds me of a musical festival on 10/07. Many, not you, say that it was Israels fault for past treatment of Palestine.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...none of what I said (or was thinking about) even refers to the protester's reasons for being there in the first place.
sheshe2
(97,451 posts)You have repeatedly said that the 'partiers', who are Democrats, were the ones at fault. Repeatedly, in many posts you have reiterated that very thing!
Now you are twisting your words by saying you were talking about "the reasons they were there in the first place."
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)....confuse the issue of the physical confrontation at a bar in D.C., which I have been writing about on this thread, with the issue of the military action in the middle east, which I have not even thought about while engaging on this thread.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)"What kind of a butterball to you take me for, Fawlty?
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...because you don't agree with my genuine point of view.
sheshe2
(97,451 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)sheshe2
(97,451 posts)264. You are trying to ...
....confuse the issue of the physical confrontation at a bar in D.C., which I have been writing about on this thread, with the issue of the military action in the middle east, which I have not even thought about while engaging on this thread.
The title at the link:
Woman punched in face as protesters of Israeli-Hamas war disrupt holiday party in Detroit
So these Palestinian War Protesters that crashed a Dem Christmas party carrying Flags and wearing Free Palestine TShirts, shouting and chanting "Free Palestine" ....and you never once throughout this thread thought about the military action in the middle east!!!!!!!!! Not once?
I am not the one that is confused here.
OMG
Just STOP!!!!Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...would answer your question.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)Those at the event had every right to have the protesters removed.
To just let them take over the event with their violence whether verbally or physically is wrong.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)Are you in the right place?
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)And yes, I am in the right place...
From DU's Terms of Service;
"Members are not expected to hold across-the-board progressive opinions on every single issue, but we do expect members to be generally progressive and to support Democrats at election time -- remember that and respect it when posting. Harsh, divisive, partisan attacks against Democrats or progressive values (from the right or the left) are not welcome here."
There's more that you might want to read about 'civility' and such.
Trespassers can be removed by the owners or representatives of the owners legally.
Dude, learn the law before you claim something that's not true.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Sal_NV
(606 posts)Those guests were invited, the owner evidently asked that the trespassers be removed, that makes the guests representatives of the owner.
JFC, your ignorance of the law is astounding.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)..there are legal definitions of "representatives".
Sal_NV
(606 posts)that makes the guests representatives of the owner.
Once again, you are showing your ignorance of the law, but what the hell do I know, I was just a cop.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)You're making your position quite obvious.
Beating up old people at private parties is fine to you, or you wouldn't be defending it, and so vigorously.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...to frame me as saying or thinking things I haven't said or thought.
Why is that?
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)And the more fringe their stupidity, the more violent they tend to be.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)
getagrip_already
(17,802 posts)It is an offensive act. Not a defensive act.
If true, This was an assault, not self defense.
Again, if true, This was not a peaceful protester. It was a thug attacking an old woman.
Do you get it yet?
There is no world where you peacefully throw the first punch. Not to mention the alleged attacker was already trespassing and refusing to leave.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)There is no self defense in the commission of a crime, which it became when those thugs refused to leave after being asked to do so.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)these thugs were illegally trespassing on private property, therefore, no claim of self defense.
Like I said, crack open a law book and learn something.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...by laying hands on the protesters, a response to that is consider self-defense.
The reasonable response to trespassers who don't leave when asked is having law enforcement charge them with trespassing.
Physical force is rarely necessary.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)the violence started when those thugs entered a private party in a private venue uninvited.
Trespassing upon someone else's property is considered an act of passive violence.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)You are totally wrong in your claims
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...a reasonable response after they refused to leave would have been to ask the police to remove them and charge them with trespassing.
Physical engagement wasn't necessary.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...should never have occurred.
lapucelle
(21,051 posts)Cha
(318,824 posts)lapucelle
(21,051 posts)but whoever it was, this is disgusting.
Protestors have been chanting "We know you're Israeli-trained" to the NYPD at some of the protests.
Cha
(318,824 posts)
Torchlight
(6,779 posts)are often met with the pretense of innocent surprise.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)
XorXor
(690 posts)That's the sort of stuff I'd expect from Twitter, not so much on DU. Also, you sure got a lot of posts in a short amount of time.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)paleotn
(22,177 posts)Sal_NV
(606 posts)why is that?
THEY intruded on a party that THEY were not invited to.
THEY were the ones that became aggressive towards those that were trying to remove the uninvited guests, so yeah, that would make THEM the thugs.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...the protesters were chanting.
It was the partiers who physically assualted the peaceful protesters, forcing them to defend themselves.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)Were they told to leave?
They were trespassing, that makes them the thugs.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)My how times have changed.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)In my opinion, that makes them thugs.
This is the same tactics the RW lunatics use at drag shows, gay bars etc.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...about tactics, anyway.
MichMan
(17,108 posts)Arazi
(8,881 posts)MichMan
(17,108 posts)Looks like they were in the adjacent common areas and later outside on the patio or the sidewalks.
I've never been there, so maybe I'm wrong.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)The bar owner is perfectly within their rights to eject disruptive people from their establishment.
Once the protesters were told to get out, and refused, they were illegally trespassing.
MichMan
(17,108 posts)Was the person struck by the bar owner or employees, or by someone at the party?
Arazi
(8,881 posts)And landed on a female party attendee
MichMan
(17,108 posts)Arazi
(8,881 posts)And excerpted in the OP
MichMan
(17,108 posts)According to the OP, it wasn't the bar owner, but the party attendees. They don't have the same legal right to enforce trespassing laws on someone else's property like the property owner does.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)Please read through the thread. This has been hashed out ad nauseam.
Yes, the party attendees were trying to get the illegal, disruptive protesters out of their party. Elderly, black, senior citizens trying to enjoy a night out with their Democratic representative
Sal_NV
(606 posts)those thugs were trespassing, they were told to leave, they didn't, the owner asked the patrons to help remove them and then a woman at the event was punched in the face requiring hospitalization.
It doesn't matter where those thugs were in the establishment, they were trespassing, that's the bottom line, those thugs should have just stayed outside on the public sidewalk and protested where its legal, but instead, they decided it would be a good idea to enter into a private establishment uninvited and disrupt a Democratic event and then committed assault and battery on an elderly woman.
There is no fucking excuse for that, period.
Response to Sal_NV (Reply #287)
MichMan This message was self-deleted by its author.
BannonsLiver
(20,549 posts)Will leave it at that.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)
Takket
(23,701 posts)They had no right to protest there
Sal_NV
(606 posts) Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...keep an honest perspective about what happened in the discussion.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)you're excusing their behavior, they were trespassing, they were asked to leave, they refused, the owner had every right to have them removed from the building.
Those thugs shouldn't have been there in the first place.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...trying to maintain an honest perspective on what happened.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)that is a crime and the owner has every right to have them removed, whether by force or whether the thugs leave peacefully, which they did not.
And by the way, they were breaking the law so there is no self defense involved here.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...trespassing does not justify assault.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)One more time, after they refused to leave, they became criminals, the owner has every right to have them removed, how they are removed is up to the party crashers, and from then on, there is no self defense because they were in the commission of a crime.
Dude, I was a cop and a deputy sheriff, so I think I know what the hell I'm talking about.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)They've been making excuses every day since Oct. 7.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...and probably expecting to face trespassing and possibly disrupting the peace charges for crashing a party, it's when the partiers physically assaulted them that things got ugly.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)it was a private party, the owner asked them to leave and when they didn't, that's when they became trespassers and violating the law.
LiberalFighter
(53,544 posts)elias7
(4,229 posts)As long as one side claims to be a victim with no agency for their actions, the other side will be framed as the white nationalistic colonizing western exploitative bullies who are always wrong. Except of course when it comes to women’s rights, gay/queer rights, minority rights, etc.
NickB79
(20,332 posts)Let's say it was a group of MAGAt red hats who wanted to protest the Mexican border situation.
DU would be livid if they invaded a private Democratic party like these thugs did, and would widely applaud if they got their asses kicked out onto the street.
No one here would defend their actions.
But apparently Pro-Palestinian protesters get a pass.
mcar
(45,977 posts)Odd how none of the people on this OP defending these thugs have responded to you.
MichMan
(17,108 posts)You said "any other group"
Here is another hypothetical scenario.
Let's say it was a group of protesting Black customers occupying a lunch counter in the South in the civil rights era. The manager of the establishment asks them to leave and they refuse. Racist customers then take it upon themselves to physically remove them by force. In the melee, a protester throws a punch.
Should they receive wide applause for kicking their asses out on the street, or would the protesters be defended ? See, it's not that clear cut anymore, is it?
I'm not taking the side of the protesters in Detroit, but playing devil's advocate by merely pointing out that the response here would vary 100% opposite depending on who was protesting whom.
Cha
(318,824 posts)Last edited Tue Dec 19, 2023, 11:17 PM - Edit history (2)
and punched a woman in the face.
DETROIT (WXYZ) — "It was something we never expected," said 91-year-old Bernice Smith about the shoving match and what some have called a violent disturbance that was sparked during the holiday party for the 13th Congressional District Democratic Party Saturday evening.
Smith attended the annual event with her sons and was stunned when protesters began chanting thirty seconds after U.S. Representative Shri Thanedar began to address his constituents at the Common Pub near Wayne State University.
Here's the Vid of the Asshole Bullies ..
https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/woman-punched-in-face-as-protesters-of-israeli-hamas-war-disrupt-holiday-party-in-detroit
There are NO Excuses for anyone trying to defend it.
Edited for getting the right woman who was Punched by the Bullies.
sheshe2
(97,451 posts)I know the police are investigating and I hope she presses charges. She was 91! I don't get how anyone could defend this with a "Ya but how about...."
Cha
(318,824 posts)I just Discovered it was Not the Dear 91 year old who was punched but another woman.. and here's the Vid.
Doesn't make it any less horribly Unacceptable.
https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/woman-punched-in-face-as-protesters-of-israeli-hamas-war-disrupt-holiday-party-in-detroit
sheshe2
(97,451 posts)You are right, it doesn't make it any less acceptable.
Thanks Cha. 
Cha
(318,824 posts) Cha
(318,824 posts)ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Don't act like one by beating up old ladies.
Life is pretty simple. Unless you're stupid.
AkFemDem
(2,508 posts)They're targeting Jews, and now Hindu representatives and black constituents with violent, hate-filled rhetoric.
Valdosta
(331 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...it wasn't a effort to just socialize.
Red Mountain
(2,336 posts)and the horrendous violence that ensued Israelis and Palestinians have agreed to an immediate cease fire.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...it still doesn't justify the physical assault the partiers committed against the peaceful protesters.
Red Mountain
(2,336 posts)Injuries? ER visits? Is there a police report listing injuries?
Shoved out of a party......bouncers do this every single day.
Maybe they should have just stayed home and phoned in some bomb threats to synagogues.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...threats of violence when their intentions were peaceful protests?
Red Mountain
(2,336 posts)forcing their way in and disrupting the proceedings inside was not. Looked pretty boisterous from the beginning. Looks like the invited people included quite a few older people, too.
Get in my face and yell at me, fine. Bump into me and we've got a problem. Human nature.
They were asked to leave and chose not to. Bouncer time.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)You wrote:
"Get in my face and yell at me, fine. Bump into me and we've got a problem. Human nature."
Hence the brawl.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)The owner has every right to have them removed, how they are removed is up to the trespassers, which have zero right to assault and batter someone because at that point, the trespassers are in the commission of a crime.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...trespassers are removed by Law Enforcement, who are the people that enforce trespassing (and other) laws.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)they're breaking the law because the cops weren't called to remove them.
That is so ridiculous that it borders on stupidity of the law.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...a liquor license bestows certain security rights on employees and agents of the license holder.
Bar patrons beating up on a guest the owner has asked to leave would not be legal.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)They were being removed from the private venue on private property, which the owner has every right to do so with whatever reasonable force is required to remove them.
How many years were you a cop?
How much training did you have as a cop?
revmclaren
(2,613 posts)
Sal_NV
(606 posts)The ignorance of the law with this one is quite comical and very telling.
mcar
(45,977 posts) revmclaren
(2,613 posts)that they have no choice but to dig even deeper to try to get out.
But all they do is expose themselves for what they truly believe.
This whole tragedy has torn the masks off quite a few individuals. I am very shocked at some, not in the least surprised with others.
Keep up the good fight for truth.
Arazi
(8,881 posts)They were trespassing.
And the one who got “beat up” was a Democrat attending a Democratic Christmas party.
Jfc, this is like arguing with MAGA cult members…
Hope some folks here on DU are waking up to the ratfuckery that’s going on within the pro-Palestinian movement. There’s a concerted effort being made to divide Dems and ensure “Genocide Joe” sticks.
Response to Arazi (Reply #74)
Post removed
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,501 posts)The property owner, or any person acting as an agent of the property owner, has the legal right to physically remove a trespasser using reasonable force. There is no need to wait for police to remove them, you can grab them and toss them out yourself. You cannot go straight to punching them in the face, but you can escalate the level of force in response to the the level of the force the trespasser is using to resist vacating the property.
Emile
(42,173 posts)Good people on both sides group?
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...anti-rightwing netanyahu people.
Emile
(42,173 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...so yeah, possibly.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)Zappa.
This framing attempt to make Hamas and the like to be seen as anything left by pounding on Netanyahu as right wing (which he is) is just plain silly and willfully dishonest.
Genocidal theocrats are ultra regressive so how are these fools anti right wing?
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...I seriously doubt anyone thinks a terrorist group is leftwing.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)It is a frame job to play on the default worldview in the minds of the audience.
The attempt is constantly signaling and trying to take advantage of sympathies being broadly with the left against right. By pounding away describing one actor as such but never the other makes the steadfast omission say all that is necessary.
No, folks that know anything won't directly fall for it but the hook will set with those that don't more than reason would allow some make believing The Rebel Alliance is just landing a blow against the evil Galactic Empire.
Those will definitely repeat and magnify the frame job.
As a nice bonus the pure pervasiveness of the signal will feed the idea in many people's subconscious even without a direct hit.
Slick but observable.
Borrowing well worn tactics, most effectively used by the Death to Israel gang for decades to generate this whole farce almost from ground up in no small degree.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...(something about Star Trek???).
Anyway, you tried to conflate pro-Palestinian with pro-hamas, I called you out on it.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)anti western civilization, pro Putin, anti Democrats and anti-democracy.
Further these twits and thugs don't give a flying fuck about any Palestinians and will spend every drop of their blood for "the cause" just like the Arab nations that are the sponsors of terrorism.
No stuttering.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...they're simply pro-Palestinian.
Anything more that you might want to add to them would have to be passed through them first, right? I mean, you can't just decide all that for them.
TheKentuckian
(26,314 posts)I don't have to decide anything for anyone. All I need to do is see.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...whatever you decide to see.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)
Nixie
(17,980 posts)at holiday parties. Wtf
yardwork
(69,304 posts)A very bad look.
Buns_of_Fire
(19,144 posts)Imagine -- he can force Hamas and Netanyahu into a cease-fire all by his lonesome, or so the protesters seem to think. With that much power, we obviously should start being a lot nicer to him.
What? You mean he can't dictate a cease-fire?
Oh. So why, pray tell, are these people protesting him?
yardwork
(69,304 posts)I suspect that this was an act of revenge by entitled white twits.
betsuni
(29,045 posts)Another BETRAYED! thing to get worked up about.
yardwork
(69,304 posts)And they appear to be totally led around by Putin's infiltrators at this point. Although, honestly, they're fully capable of being completely wrong on their very own, without any help.
What part of "Let's us white dudes go disrupt a holiday party of Black civil rights elders and get into fist fights with them on video" seemed like a good idea?
mcar
(45,977 posts)Think they gained any support from this latest stunt?
Link to tweet
Please look at this thread these protesters are out of control. Disrespecting Black elders at a private event is a HELL NO. They have gone too far and this is not protesting..this is a public disturbance.
The elder in the yellow had to hit someone with her cane.
yardwork
(69,304 posts)It's all stirred up by propaganda aimed at getting Trump back in the White House.
mcar
(45,977 posts)white RW disruptors who did so much of the vandalism during BLM protests a few years ago.
It’s exactly that
Except these useful idiots have fallen for Kremlin generated propaganda
dalton99a
(94,071 posts)
xmas74
(30,052 posts)I'm sure there are any number of others and other venues they could choose but instead a bunch of white kids chose to target elderly black partygoers.
I used to stand in front of Sen Blunt's office and Congresswoman Hartzler's regional offices all the time to protest. I protested at my state capital. I've protested at town halls and outside of lectures. I've never entered a private event to protest.
This feels so dirty.
mcar
(45,977 posts)A "pro-Palestinian" supporter yells the N-word while being arrested.
Starting to think this is not a coincidence.
dalton99a
(94,071 posts)xmas74
(30,052 posts)I noticed the locals around me who are the most active and passionate are upper middle class white kids who've used it as an opportunity to throw out nonstop anti Semitic slurs. They've gone so far as to joke about using Jews for target practice.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)they are losing allies.
EllieBC
(3,639 posts)a watermelon on the poster advertising a “protest” outside of Rep Jeffries’a office???
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)
mymomwasright
(442 posts)Protesters won't succeed with that slogan.
Jose Garcia
(3,499 posts)Emile
(42,173 posts)Arazi
(8,881 posts)In reality they’re now chaos agents suckered by propaganda who are working for authoritarians whose goal is to disrupt and divide
Emile
(42,173 posts)Arazi
(8,881 posts)They’re either Dems attacking Dems or they’re chaos agents from other factions…
Imo, watching the far left go down this fucking rabbit hole - virtually every protester vowing to never vote for Biden *again* - they are (now former?) Dems who’ve gotten suckered into this kind of behavior of physically assaulting elderly black senior citizen Dems at a Democratic Christmas party because they’ve fallen for a classic op that paints Biden? this rep? all Dems? as evil supporters of “genocide” (it’s not a genocide)
yardwork
(69,304 posts)Emile
(42,173 posts)yardwork
(69,304 posts)Who do you think these violent protesters are?
Emile
(42,173 posts)yardwork
(69,304 posts)They keep saying during these protests that they won't vote for Biden "again" so I guess they're self-identifying as Democratic voters. They claim that they're protesting the "far right" Israeli government. I guess they all could be third party voters. I doubt they're Republican plants.
I think they're members of various lefty groups such as DSA, which has claimed responsibility for many protests, in partnership with pro-Palestinian organizations that often seem to include a fair number of Anglo-looking people.
Emile
(42,173 posts)yardwork
(69,304 posts)Maybe some of the protesters are paid to be there. Some may be infiltrators trying to make Democrats and other lefties look bad. I think others sincerely believe that they're doing the right thing, but I think they're being manipulated by propaganda - and, in many cases, their own implicit biases. Finally, there's a group who sincerely believe in revolution and violent overthrow of the U.S. government, capitalism, etc. Their approach has been consistent for decades - cause a lot of turmoil and somehow this will lead to a glorious revolution. For these folks, their idealistic goals justify violent means.
I'm very selective about which marches I participate in, and I would never participate in stunts like blocking highways or protesting people's homes or businesses. Way too many people there whose agendas are unclear.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,744 posts)Kind of how watermelons are innocent symbols when directed at AA congressmen, vandalism isn't really vandalism when done on libraries with Jewish names, and protesters waving swastikas aren't REALLY antisemites.
yardwork
(69,304 posts)Many DUers were praising them, quite recently.
Were those people working in the coffee shop in Oakland ratfuckers?
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)
Behind the Aegis
(56,102 posts)Oh, yeah! The Jan 6th "event" was really Antifa!
yardwork
(69,304 posts)I'm getting whiplash. For months, right here on DU, we've been told by what I thought were self-identified Democrats that anybody NOT protesting Israel's actions "doesn't care, is heartless, must be a secret right-winger, etc."
Protesters were praised. DU posters sprinkle their posts with hearts and flowers in the colors of the Palestinian flag. We're told that protesters are doing the right thing.
And now I'm being told that these protests are caused by paid shills.
So which is it?
revmclaren
(2,613 posts)permanently in April knows exactly who and what these people represent.
And its DEFINITELY not Democrats unless it's in name only. They enjoy chaos and fully support Putin and Russia.
Many of their posts... still available on the wayback machine on archive.org... is VERY telling.
Hekate
(100,133 posts)mcar
(45,977 posts)who have taken a page from the RW disruptors during BLM protests. My guess is that some of them are being influenced (funded?) by outside groups that have direct connections to Russia/Hamas/Iran.
Remember how susceptible some on the left have always been toward Russian propaganda? Russia Today used to be quoted liberally around here once upon a time.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)yardwork
(69,304 posts)We're told the protesters are driven by compassion and caring.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...is the protesters being roughly pushed around by the partiers.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)Legally these assholes were trespassers and they were the one attacking attendees. Again, a community leader was hospitalized due to these assholes. The conduct of these trespassers was not acceptable and hopefully they will be prosecuted for their actions.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...are you saying the people being manhandled OUT of the room are the partiers?
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)The assholes were asked to leave by the owner of the premises and by the congressman's staff who was hosting the party. Removing these trespassers from the premise was proper and legal. You are totally WRONG if you saw something different.
The police are investigating, and charges should be pressed against these trespassers.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)Guests were roughly pushing out the protesters and hitting them with a cane.
And yes, I agree, the reasonable response to trespassers who refuse to leave is asking the police to remove them and charge them with trespassing.
xmas74
(30,052 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)NickB79
(20,332 posts)Put there by one of the protesters you're so concerned was "roughly pushed around" by the partygoers they attacked.
My God, have you not a shred of decency left?
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Sympthsical
(10,960 posts)Anyone else notice that strain of astroturfing of late?
900 churches!
The end game will look interesting, that's for sure.
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)This stunt was stupid and illegal. This stunt is not going to help the assholes who trespassed on this gathering
Link to tweet
Ace Rothstein
(3,373 posts)These protestors keep showing us that they are just here to disrupt everyone and anyone. They aren't good people.
dalton99a
(94,071 posts)Takket
(23,701 posts)go crash a party.
revmclaren
(2,613 posts)I just had to download this entire thread because...just wow!
Sooner or later these 'peaceful protesters ' will end up killing someone. Oh wait...that already happened in L.A....
Punching an elderly women in the face and excuses are made.
I just.... 
MorbidButterflyTat
(4,475 posts)I especially loved the testimonials enthusiastically praising Slobby as I scrolled down the page. 
The lack of attribution regarding the punched woman seemed...weird. Are we supposed to believe it was the 90-something year old woman who was punched? No arrests tho?
Those T-shirts blazing "Free Palestine," really sold the show.
Edit: I'm disturbed by the repeated and insistent use of the trigger word, "thug."
Commissioner Jonathan C. Kinloch on twitter:
"This event has been the tradional time for black democratic community activist to come together in harmony."
Two for one rat fucking?
LetMyPeopleVote
(179,446 posts)revmclaren
(2,613 posts)Democrats and centrists need not apply.
Bucky
(55,334 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)ery against a senior?
Initech
(108,674 posts)Crap like this or storming the freeways shouldn't be praised or celebrated. 
Abolishinist
(2,949 posts)Last edited Wed Dec 20, 2023, 04:59 PM - Edit history (1)
Protestors waving keffiyeh, a chequered black and white scarf worn by Palestinians, gathered outside the residence of Indian-American Congressman Shri Thanedar late Saturday, slamming his support for Israel in its onslaught on Hamas that has left about 120,000 Palestinians dead.
“This is my home at 3 AM Sunday night,” Thanedar wrote on X, and shared a video showing a protestor waving keffiyeh.
Amidst blaring car horns, a protester can be heard shouting, “you are complicit in the bombing of Gaza… Your silence is violence. Your silence is abhorrent, and we will not let you sleep! There will be a price to pay”.
https://clarionindia.net/anti-israel-protesters-lay-siege-at-us-congressman-shri-thanedars-home/
On Edit: Same story, different source.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...an openly rightwing publication.
From https://www.bizpacreview.com/about-us/ :
"We scour the internet to find what’s important to Conservatives."
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Among sources cited are the Representative's own social media accounts.
"The important thing to remember is that these things happened. They happened even though Lord Halifax says they did."
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)"Don't peddle right-wing talking points, smears, or sources
Do not post right-wing talking points or smears. Do not post content sourced from right-wing publications, authors, or pundits. Exceptions are permitted if you provide a clear reason for doing so that is consistent with the values of this website."
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)You do not deny the event reported.
Abolishinist
(2,949 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)I am pointing out that the poster broke the terms of service.
I didn't even read their post past their attempt to conflate pro-Palestinian with pro-hamas.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)You are about as transparent as a pane of glass.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...seeing things that are not there.
Edit to addg
Or, you are attempting to imply things that are not there.
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Abolishinist
(2,949 posts)includes video taken by, one assumes, the protesters. The Detroit News had a paywall, so I used this one, the end result being the same, i.e. the video.
Huwaida Arraf is a Palestinian American activist and lawyer who co-founded the International Solidarity Movement (ISM), a Palestinian-led organization using non-violent protests and international pressure to support Palestinians. (attribution to WIKI).
Link to tweet
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1736799784579870880%7Ctwgr%5E4ceedf1afac45dfb0040c6808533446b4ddd1646%7Ctwcon%5Es3_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bizpacreview.com%2F2023%2F12%2F19%2Fshrieking-pro-hamas-mob-shows-up-at-dem-lawmakers-home-at-3-a-m-1421022%2F
Mosby
(19,491 posts)They were protecting Hamas members, providing funding and acting as human shields.
Here's what she had to say in an article from 2002 during the second intifada:
The 'peace' group that embraces violence
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/1451730/The-peace-group-that-embraces-violence.html
LexVegas
(6,959 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...they should have just called the police.
betsuni
(29,045 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)....why would you think location is related to mindset?
betsuni
(29,045 posts)Sal_NV
(606 posts)what's odd is your continued excusing these pro Palistinian thugs.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...that I'm concerned about the deaths of 20,000 innocent, non-hamas, civilians.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)this thread is about pro Palestinian thugs invading a Democratic Party event and refusing to leave and then punching an elderly attendee in the face while being ejected requiring hospitalization.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)... a protest that was calling for a ceasefire to stop the deaths I said I am concerned about.
Your post is accusing me of excusing the protesters, which I have not done (really, I haven't, all of my posts are right up above, read them).
Sal_NV
(606 posts)Its right there in the title, how the hell could you miss it?
And you are excusing them by blaming the event attendees for starting the violence which is a lie, the violence started when those thugs entered an event uninvited and started to interrupt with their bullshit.
As I said in an earlier post to you, its painfully obvious you know nothing of the law.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)I've never accused you of being pro HAMAS nor defend HAMAS, but as I wrote up thread, by blaming the event attendees for the violence is indirectly defending those thugs who crashed a Democratic event.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...it is obvious to me that the guests raised things to the level of physical engagement. One guest was even hitting people with a cane.
Initiating physical engagement, ie: assault, is not justified.
I agree that the protesters should have just stayed on public property outside, but itcs the right and responsibilty of the bar owner and employees/agents, or the police, to handle things like this.
As you have mentioned before, if someone (without authority) starts physically pushing someone else around, hitting them with weapons, etc, an equal response should be expected.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)I've explained the law to you numerous times yet you still don't get it.
Have a joy filled holiday season and I hope the new year is good to you.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...starts yelling at you in a bar, because you do not have the right to physically push them out the door and hit them with things.
That is exactly what happened here.
Happy holidays.
Sal_NV
(606 posts)You're totally wrong about me, I am a peaceful person and if the owner asked me to remove a patron, then that would be legal because in essence, he is designating me as a representative of the owner, which is his legal right to do so.
Dude, I was a cop for 20 years, I retired as a LT., I know the law.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...I did not hear the owner 'deputize' the entire guest crowd.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...you didn't see the people that made up the protester group in that video, didja.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...that was hitting the protesters with a cane, who was never touched by the protesters?
Or the younger black lady who was forcefully pushing them and in their faces the whole time, even being told numerous times by people in her own group to back off, who was the one who actually got hit in the face as she kept going at them outside the building?
The video is available in this thread for everybody to see, don't make up fake stuff.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...no one touched the little old lady who was hitting protesters with her cane.
Someone DID hit the very aggressive middle-aged woman who was pushing and getting in the face of everybody, even while members of her own group were telling her to back down, and even after the group moved outside the door which is where she was hit while shoving her face into the crowd.
Please. Watch. The video.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)It's the second video down, note the middle-age woman with blondish hair grabbing people on the back of the neck and pushing them out of the door, and then later yelling at them outside the door.
At some point earlier on you'll also see the cane incident.
And then watch the "punch".
https://www.wxyz.com/news/region/detroit/woman-punched-in-face-as-protesters-of-israeli-hamas-war-disrupt-holiday-party-in-detroit
Edit to add;
I want to re-iterate that I am against hamas, and against netanyahu's military actions in Gaza.
I am also against all violence including hitting with canes, grabbing by the neck, forcefully shoving, and punching.
I am for the people of Paletine and for the Israeli and Jewish people worldwide.
Throughout this thread I have only been trying to point out that the protesters were not responsible for initiating the physical assaults, that no assault occurred on an elderly woman, and that the reports and posts on this thread have been wrongly portraying the entire incident.
MichMan
(17,108 posts)I keep seeing replies referring to the elderly person who was punched. I guess other people's definition of elderly must be different than mine.
Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...to smear pro-Palestinian activism.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Response to SoFlaBro (Reply #365)
Post removed
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)TexasDem69
(2,317 posts)And you’ll never convince them otherwise. They are an embarrassment to the party—and more importantly any decent person—and should be treated as such.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Cha
(318,824 posts)https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218542611#top
The GD protesters Can Talk To HAMAS like Many of us Have Been Saying All Along.
They can Harass Hamas.
JoseBalow
(9,448 posts)depends on which version of autocorrect you're using 
Sugarcoated
(8,240 posts)change no minds.
JohnSJ
(98,883 posts)revmclaren
(2,613 posts)Kick for visibility.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)this movement are misguided.
lapucelle
(21,051 posts)Link to tweet
----------------------------------------------
Link to tweet
-----------------------------------------------
Link to tweet
----------------------------------------------
Link to tweet
----------------------------------------------
Link to tweet
----------------------------------------------
Link to tweet
----------------------------------------------
Link to tweet
-----------------------------------------------
Link to tweet
-----------------------------------------------
Warning: vile racist slur
Link to tweet
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Why are we supposed to support them again?
Sugarcoated
(8,240 posts)It absolutely hurts their cause
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)the Hamas loving crowd.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...just arrests of Palestinian lovers.
lapucelle
(21,051 posts)lapucelle
(21,051 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)lapucelle
(21,051 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)yardwork
(69,304 posts)But American students gathering to protest Israel and rip down flyers are NOT hipsters. They're sincere and oppressed.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)lapucelle
(21,051 posts)Think. Again.
(22,456 posts)...and have not seen these videos or any like them before (I don't do corporate news or most social media unless I'm directed to something I want see).
Thank you for posting them, they disgust me. hamas is a terrorist organization and I don't believe they stand for the good of Palestine in any way, they are NOT doing what they do to better the lives of Palestinians at all.
As I have had to post many times to fend off false accusations such as yours:
I am against hamas.
I am against netanyahu's military actions.
I am for the Palestinian people.
I am for Israelis and the Jewish people worldwide.
lapucelle
(21,051 posts)Now that you've seen it, perhaps the best course of action would to stop denying that it exists.
Not sure how posting media that you haven't seen amounts to "false accusations against you", but anyone who was not aware of the pro-Hamas protestors might want to consider why the type of "news" they choose to consume neglects to report the whole story and whether or not that failure is in the service of advancing an agenda rather than informing the public.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)Fuck these pro Hamas shitbirds.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)JustAnotherGen
(38,037 posts)Raping women was one of the greatest days of his life?
Good luck getting hired buddy!
ETA: That woman is not one of the girls. She's just not. I'm voting her out of the tribe. Go hang with Hamas and see how much they care about you ya fucking' idiot!
AkFemDem
(2,508 posts)And yes- many of the loudmouths we've seen in the media and on social media including boards like this fit that antisemetic suit just fine. There are plenty of so-called protesters who are not just protesting for ceasefire to help innocent civilians, but who are blatantly protesting Jews themselves.
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)"On December 16, pro-Palestine protesters were brutally attacked at a holiday party thrown by Thanedar and his supporters in Midtown Detroit. On the morning of December 18, the congressman called a press conference to paint the protesters as the ones who started the violence, calling the demonstration a “riot.”
This was another hot button issue among the crowd: “People who were there to peacefully protest were shoved to the ground, punched, choked and threatened,” said Jacob Smith of Freedom Road Socialist Organization, “all because they interrupted Shri’s fancy little dinner party. And today, Shri Thanedar and his goons are calling up the media to try and play the victim. Do we want somebody like that representing us in Congress?” The response from the crowd was a resounding “No!”"
The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)"They shoot horses, don't they?"
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)Have you stepped outside lately?
Bit of rain here, but it's not unpleasant. Awful warm for December's end.
How are things your way?
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)You need to jostle the arm a bit to get it past the scratch and into a fresh groove....
SoFlaBro
(3,777 posts)The Magistrate
(96,043 posts)The kind of thing a man's gotta break out of before his whole life's passed him by....