Young voters bailing on Biden

[bif]

And I thought the younger voters were smart!?!?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/young-voters-explain-why-bailing-022225413.html?.tsrc=fp_deeplink

[Zincwarrior]

1. Less They are shifting Parties

I would think its less that they are shifting parties, more that there will be fewer voting in the next election.

[Happy Hoosier]

2. Still stupid....

The steam roller will still squish them, whether they choose to engage or not. Fuckwits.

[Trueblue1968]

58. Morons

[Fiendish Thingy]

33. And yet, actual elections this year shows turnout of young voters increasing. Nt

[GreenWave]

40. Blaming youngsters is Internecine warfare. (I agree with poster above me)

We should cease this talk. The GQP is the destruction of all hope for young people including their future planet.

[Eyeball_Kid]

43. That's likely because of two issues:

1. Abortion rights.

2. The prospect of a fascist dictator taking over the US


These issues are, IMO, separate from the Biden/Trump contest. Voters can whine until kingdom come about either candidate, but they also know the issues that are in their collective faces. They know that they want to keep their abortion rights, and they know which candidate led the political wave to eliminate those same rights-- the fascist dictator. So these pivotal issues circumvent the standard political battle lines. Result: Trump loses by over 12 million votes.

[marble falls]

3. Reading polls is dangerous. IF they are deserting, they will rejoin in August.

[Chakaconcarne]

4. More MSM BS

[marble falls]

5. Bingo. They look for Sturm und Drang, whether it exists or not.

[brush]

49. Yep. Nothing new about young voters. Their turnout historically is always lower than older voters.

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VP Harris starting an abortion rights campaign now will help Biden with young voters.

[marble falls]

61. I remember when 18yr olds got the right to vote and I figured they'd vote for McGovern, they voted as much ...

... for Nixon as they did for McGovern and more than half didn't vote because they felt their individual votes meant nothing.

[ITAL]

6. I think it's a bigger danger than many realize

A lot of fed up folks in the under 30 age range, who don't seem to understand that a President can't just snap their fingers and get everything they want. Not to mention among younger folks Israelis are seen as oppressors. That war is killing enthusiasm for Biden among a lot of people.

[maxsolomon]

52. I was fed up when I was under 30, too.

I still voted for Dems across the board, every election. The alternative is always worse.

"Young People" can be fed up now, but they'll drift back once Motherfucker is up in our faces every day with his ridiculous claptrap.

[ITAL]

54. Perhaps

But I read a lot of movie messageboards that are filled with younger people. Sometimes the off-topic forums have political discussions, and most of the people who post in there call Biden "Genocide Joe." I believe they'll sit out. If they live in California, that's okay I guess....but if it's in Michigan it sure as hell isn't.

[maxsolomon]

56. Yeah, that's caught on with the Yoots. So facile.

Like Biden is doing anything but trying to mitigate the lethality of Likud's war strategy.

It's like blaming him for not codifying Roe, or not forgiving all Student Loans. Young people (and Idealist Liberals) don't get that there are LIMITS to the President's power.

[Lovie777]

7. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.................................

they are pro-abortion, pro-rights, pro-democracy, etc.

therefore, Pres. Biden is not losing their support. That's my opinion from pure observation.

[Walleye]

8. I am sorry but here's my attitude about that, if they don't wanna vote fuck 'em it's their future

I guess threatening they’re not gonna vote makes them feel powerful, I don’t know, I don’t have a lot of future left. I understand they’re frustrated, but we are all are frustrated

[JT45242]

9. OMG the stupidity it burns

“I want to show the Democratic Party as a young person that you still need to earn our vote and if you don’t, the consequences will be your career,” McKenzie said. “A Republican getting elected isn’t the end. It is the beginning of a much larger fight.”

-- Seriously, you have not been listening to TFG. Electing a Republican will literally be the end of democracy and the beginning of a dictatorship 'on the first day.' There will not be a larger fight. It will be game over.

“I mean, he made a lot of really big promises in his campaign and virtually none of them were followed through on,” said Austin Kapp, a 25-year-old living in Castle Rock, Colorado. “I mean, he could have codified Roe v. Wade, he could have stood up for the rights of people all over the country, he could have done a lot of things, but he didn’t.”

- apparently this person failed HS government. The President cannot codify anything -- The legislature codifies laws and the Executive (President) enforces them. Apparently, they missed the part where SCOTUS overturned the loan forgiveness program. Plus they missed the part where over a million teachers, no-profit workers, firmean, and police got their student loans forgiven (including the last part of mine). Because, Gen Z things if it did not happen personally for them it did not happen at all.

For someone who claimed they were a union organizer to the reporter to not see that Joe and the Dems are pro-union, he has not been paying attention.

"Camarena’s feelings toward Biden now are worse. She works for CalFire and is passionate about addressing climate change. She says she was “turned off” when the Biden administration approved the controversial Willow oil drilling project in Alaska.

“It made me really angry,” she said. “He painted himself as, you know, trying to advance or improve climate change.”

-- apparently she missed all the green energy in the bills taht he did manage to get past Manchin.

Too much of perfection being the enemy of the good. If they throw away their votes for the 'green party' aka Putin's distraction, they will see what real damage to the climate and environment are. Maybe when we get closer these 20 something know-nothings will change their tunes.

[Fiendish Thingy]

32. Quotes from four of the dumbest young people in America aren't proof

Only a moron would believe cherry picked quotes from other morons.

We won’t know for sure until November if the rest of America is as dumb as these idiots.

In the meantime, engaging, listening to, and motivating young voters will be key.

[bigtree]

10. you can't make that true by printing a couple of cherry-picked quotes

...hand-selecting people to interview and put in an NBC article.

Stop catapaulting their propaganda.

[brooklynite]

11. But apparently you can make it NOT true by...

Disparaging the source of the story.

I have no doubt people will criticize NBC for this and hop right over to their cable news service.

[shrike3]

15. Do you have anything good at all to say about this election cycle?

If you do, it'd be nice to say it.

[brooklynite]

24. Okay, how about: "The Biden campaign is able to deal with a difficult election cycle"?

I was under the impression that we were here to discuss politics, not live in a good news bubble.

[shrike3]

25. I didn't get the impression gloom and doom was discussing politics.

You say you have a lot of heavy-hitter friends. What do they say?

[brooklynite]

50. Well the CAMPAIGN MANAGER for the Biden campaign says the race will be very close...

Should I tut-tut at her for spreading doom and gloom?

Personally, I appreciate someone who starts with the facts and plans accordingly.

[shrike3]

57. No. That's not gloom and doom. I also didn't need the campaign manager to tell me that.

[bigtree]

38. apparently you can make it TRUE just by sharing out the media sponsored propaganda polls

...which are so ridiculous they shouldn't be taken seriously.

I mean, there are folks here just digging into President Biden on a Democratic advocacy board on EACH AND EVERY REPORT on any poll result that goes against our Democratic nominee, anxiously awaiting yet another negative result that they can post for our edification.

You just have to ask what is the expected result from people who push these absurd polls? You don't motivate an electorate by publishing and promoting every negative poll result about our Democratic nominee.

The most immediate result is a depression of support, which is what I believe these news reports behind what is often their own sponsored surveys are designed to do.

It's also why some posters share these polls, sometimes seemingly innocuously highlighting spoiler candidates like Dean Phillips, suggesting Pres. Biden should step aside for someone polling double digits behind him, because... polls.

But, sure, let's pretend this is just some zero-sum effort that just intends to inform us all about these self-serving media reports built on mostly meaningless early polling.

No doubt, they are just doing god's work here telling us that the entire nation's electorate's opinion rests with the 1000 or so respondents that these surveys bother to include in their polls, out of the several thousand others they don't.

No doubt this is just a truth-telling effort; albeit one that rests it's credibility with the very same networks cable or otherwise) which launder the bullshit they've been pushing for the past year through these survey's respondents in an effort to legitimize and amplify the bullshit they want to make this election about.

No doubt the five people in this article accurately represent the nation's youth, absolutely, because this NBC article said so.

No doubt.

[LiberalFighter]

12. The media wants to stir things up. F them

[Think. Again.]

13. I'd like to suggest that..

...our publicly readable comments, on this site which aims to represent Democrats, might be a bit more welcoming and less insulting uf we hope to gain and retain their votes.

[shrike3]

16. Unfortunately, this isn't the kind of site that attracts young people anyway.

At least from what I've seen.

[Think. Again.]

17. Perhaps we could work on that.

[shrike3]

19. I'd be open to ideas.

DU has a sub on reddit, though it doesn't seem to be very active.

[Think. Again.]

22. I've noticed that...

...quite a few posters can be very disparaging to young voters, I wonder if being more inviting to the Democratic party as a whole might help.

[shrike3]

23. Encouraging a wider variety of posts might help.

A broader range of ideas. I don't want to hang out here much anymore, and I'm old.

[David__77]

45. I think that relates to the medium and longevity of the site.

[shrike3]

46. Possibly n/t

[Emile]

14. Time to declassify cannabis.

[Ocelot II]

28. Maybe, but that's another thing Biden can't do by himself.

[Emile]

31. The DEA Administrator is appointed by the President.

[Ocelot II]

41. The DEA administrator can't single-handedly reclassify or reschedule a drug either.

There's a whole process, and it includes changing the statutory definition under 21 USC 802 - which means Congress has to change the statute in order to legalize weed. The DEA (executive branch) can't do it.

[Emile]

42. The DEA has the authority to classify drugs. To legalize is not

my argument. So why are you being so argumentative?

[womanofthehills]

47. I think the young are more upset about the thousands of children dead in Palestine

Than they are about cannabis.

Look at the huge ProPalestine rallies in the US. Really huge rally will be happening Jan 13 at the national mall.

Many young voters on Reddit & social media are upset with all candidates. Many were talking about Kennedy because he came out hard for world peace and was very against the war in Ukraine- only to go on “Breaking Points” and suddenly be pro war when it comes to Israel. Anyway, he has the highest Independent vote since Ross Perot. Stein and West are both anti war candidates so they could pull 2 or more percent of vote. Who knows? Everyone is so divided.

[shrike3]

18. The narrative right now is "Biden is toast."

Narratives form in the media. I used to work in it. It's not uncommon for reporters to go out and find subjects to interview that support the narrative.

Here's an example: after 9-11, an AP photographer living in the Mideast was told to go out and take pictures of people celebrating the attacks. She told her bosses, "No one is celebrating the attacks. They're all inside, watching CNN. Everyone's in shock." Bosses didn't care. Her job was to go out and find people celebrating because "everybody knew" that was what was happening over there. She ended up having to drive to a refugee camp to get the photos she was told to take.

I'm not saying Biden doesn't have significant challenges. But the situation on the ground is probably nuanced -- it always is -- and the media doesn't do nuance. Not when there's a narrative.

[Calculating]

20. Legalize cannabis

It's easy, low hanging fruit.

[Ocelot II]

30. How is Biden supposed to do that? That's a legislative power.

Lotta people still don't seem to know how our government works...

[Emile]

60. Once it's declassified, legalization next.

[pwb]

21. Yahoo

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[lees1975]

26. I volunteer to canvass the phones and door to door.

I'm seeing younger voters very concerned about Trump's rhetoric and ready to vote. If the motivation is that they're scared of what would happen if the orange headed buffoon is elected again, so be it.

But this media bullshit is funded by corporate interests and Russians. Ask anyone anywhere if they really see this in real life.

Five people and a yahoo article is not fact.

[Turbineguy]

27. Yeah, that's it.

Vote for somebody who will harm you.

[Fiendish Thingy]

29. Are they?

I reject the premise of your OP.

Young voters clearly want someone else besides Biden, but so far, no evidence (polls aren’t evidence) exists to confirm the majority of them won’t vote for him and enable Trump’s re-election.

We will have to wait until November to find out if America is really that immature and stupid.

[Maine-i-ac]

34. gee this sounds like the "Muslim voters bailing on Biden" narrative from last month

with the participants changed out.
Thanks MSM. /s
Collate interviews from five preselected people and extrapolate to an entire demographic.
Spoon feed to illiterate masses.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Bingo card for the next story: "Suburban moms/Black voters/Hispanic voters bailing on Biden" ...

[doc03]

35. When I read this earlier this morning I was thinking are these people nuts. They blame

Biden because the SCOTUS killed Roe. It is Bidens fault he couldn't get their loans forgiven, which the Republicans
have fought to stop. It is Biden' fault he wasn't able to get everything he wanted on the environment. Hey they can blame Manchin and Sinema if they want but Joe Biden, give me a break. I am disappointed Biden didn't get everything he wanted
but he can't be blamed for what two DINO Senators and the Republicans have blocked.

[Xoan]

36. Bullshit

[PlanetBev]

37. Oh, please.

Ask President Thomas Dewey how the polls worked out for him.

[keithbvadu2]

39. There are many polls. Pick the one you like and swear by it. Swear at the others.

I read once that poll accuracy is determined by the number of folks polled.

Take the square root of the number polled.

Divide 100 by that square root.

It gives you the approx +/_ accuracy.

400 folks polled is +/_ 5% accurate.

1600 folks polled is +/_ 2.5% accurate

Very rough and simplistic.

A statistics class would hammer you with more details.

Especially; are the folks polled a valid cross section of the voters?

Or; are they mostly true believers in the issue/candidate or mostly non-believers?

Is it a neutral poll or a push poll that guides you toward the answers they really want?
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(from Statistics 101 class) A telephone poll taken in the 20s or 30s indicated that a certain candidate would win.
Didn’t happen. The other guy won.
Turns out that it was not a sample of the general population.
Only the relatively well-to-do could afford phones so they did not sample the ‘common folk’.

[Scrivener7]

44. Quite the ignorant asshole they gave all that space to.

"He could have codified Roe."

Yeah, kid? Do tell us how.

SMDH

[Ocelot II]

48. Don't you know that Biden has a magic wand he can wave and make all the things happen

that we want to have happen, and he's letting us down because he isn't doing those things? Codify Roe? Poof! There you are! Legalize marijuana? Poof! Weed for everybody! Come on, Joe, don't be such an old meanie!

[Ace Rothstein]

51. You see stuff like that all the time on Reddit and Twitter.

So many people don't understand how our government works and they seem to have the loudest voices.

[mzmolly]

53. Hopefully young voters will understand the way to effect change is MORE votes for Dems

not less. Biden has tried to accomplish all that was promised.

[walkingman]

55. I would have thought they learned a lesson in 2016 - but hey it is their world

now. I think it is dumb. Just don't whine if you don't like the results.

[DoBW]

59. not buying it

i smell russians

[elocs]

62. If young people cannot understand that American partisan politics is binary,

that the next president will either be Biden or Trump, then that is beyond sad. Young people know Trump and know that he will end democracy in America and their lives will be much, much worse as will the lives of all of us on the Left. I am puzzled why they are not overwhelmingly supporting Biden.

The presidential election choice of '24 should be simple and straightforward for everyone on the Left: turn out and do everything needed to cast your vote for Biden. No excuses, no voting for a 3rd party, even in California. We should all want to to be a clear referendum on American democracy and we want Trump to be crushed, not just beaten. Along with this the hope would be to take overwhelming control of both the House and the Senate as well as other state races. The fate of this nation is on the line more than it ever has been before.

On a personal note, my family has been in America nearly 400 years now, next to nothing compared to our First Nations, nearly 150 years before we became the United States. I had an ancestor who fought with the Revolutionary army. Never did I ever think that I would live to see this nation crumble and fall. But the truth is that we have tens of millions of people here who hate America and its democracy and the ideals that it has imperfectly stood for. It's likely they may have always been here, but have remained largely hidden. Trump, however, gave them permission to come out of hiding and to be proud of who they are and what they believe and they have chosen to follow him with their eyes wide open.

This next election will be the most pivotal and important one in our lifetimes, perhaps in all of American history. Trump and all he stands for must be crushed. Not just beaten, but crushed. This could well result in a type of civil war which must also be crushed.
Damn, and I thought my retirement would be one of peace and quiet.

[ExWhoDoesntCare]

63. Beyond stupid.

I mean, he could have codified Roe v. Wade, he could have stood up for the rights of people all over the country, he could have done a lot of things, but he didn’t

As someone upthread pointed out, 'codifying' isn't the job of POTUS, but, worse, codifying something doesn't mean it will stay codified, you stupid pile of dog vomit. The Supreme Court can--and often does--overturn all kinds of legislation if they deem it unConstitutional. So being 'codified' wasn't anymore likely to remain a law than Roe remaining the final word on abortion.

What worthless wastes of oxygen.