Gaza hospital director admits Hamas uses hospitals for military purposes

[Beastly Boy]

Kamal Adwan Hospital director Ahmad Kahlot of Jabalya in northern Gaza has confessed to the Shin Bet that Hamas took over his hospital as a military operations center, it was revealed on Tuesday.

Kahlot told his interrogators that he joined Hamas in 2010 at the equivalent rank of a brigadier general.

Next, he said that many of the hospital staff double as members of Hamas’s al-Qassam brigades. These include doctors, nurses, paramedics, and other staff.

More specifically, he said that the hospital had 16 staff members who doubled as terror operatives for Hamas.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-778679

[David__77]

1. I wonder if this captive has an attorney.

[Sal_NV]

5. That's your comment to this?

Wow, that says a lot.

[David__77]

8. Like what?

[Cha]

52. It says you're trying to Deflect from what he is saying.. but it's Not

working.

[BannonsLiver]

9. +1

Couldn’t be more obvious at this point.

[Sympthsical]

30. I think the pink triangle is a nice touch

Just run around with that imagery while going full . . . well, what they're fully and obviously doing.

But hey. It could be a menorah while posting articles about why driving Israel into the sea isn't as bad an idea as it sounds.

Small blessings.

[NickB79]

55. The irony is, that pink triangle would be a death sentence around Hamas

https://apnews.com/article/middle-east-israel-immigration-west-bank-gay-rights-ce95f6903faf461502cc0800b272b159

They hate gays just as much as Jews, after all.

[Cha]

50. Sure does.. but not unexpected.

[Beastly Boy]

6. He is not entitled to one

And he is a suspect who confessed to war crimes, not a captive.

Rules of war, you know.

[Arazi]

10. Are you fucking kidding me?!

Kahlot told his interrogators that he joined Hamas in 2010 at the equivalent rank of a brigadier general.

The guy’s a fucking terrorist captured in a war zone admitting to a war crime and you’re worried if he has an attorney?!

I just can’t…

Seriously, please check what this alliance with the pro-Palestinian movement is doing to you. Folks are seriously losing their way

[Arazi]

47. Can you tell me what's to be gained by lying?

If he’s lying that he’s a General in Hamas’ army while working as a medical doctor/director of a hospital in Gaza, then he’s opening up every other hospital to instant assault as they lose protected status.

He’s literally a monster ensuring more hospitals come under fire, losing the benefit of doubt.

It makes zero sense to lie. His interrogation video shows no sign of coercion or injury.

Beyond all of that, this isn’t Israel’s first rodeo - there’s literally decades of evidence of hospitals and medical personnel being complicit with Hamas

[AloeVera]

51. Worried.

True, there's no sign of coercion, he looks relaxed and he sounds convincing. It may well be true but I think it reasonable to leave room for doubt given the circumstances.

As you said "he's opening up every other hospital to instant assault as they lose protected status".

That's the kind of thinking that worries me. This confession, coerced or not, true or not, should not be used to assault hospitals carte blanche and disproportionately That's not my opinion, that's the Geneva Conventions.

[Arazi]

56. If a hospital is being used for military operations, it loses protected status

And this confession isn’t actually news.

Everyone, and I mean everyone who isn’t shilling for Hamas or captured by Hamas propaganda, knows Hamas has always used hospitals as shields.

Same with UN and UNRWA in Gaza - it’s corrupt and riddled with Hamas supporters. Again, not news

[Beastly Boy]

48. And many people will keep wearing their biases on their sleeves as they make up excuses for

confessed war criminals.

[AloeVera]

53. And many people will use this confession to vindicate and justify the IDF war crimes committed and upcoming.

As if it hasn't been horrific enough already.

[sarisataka]

58. Using a hospital for military purpose

is a war crime under the Geneva Conventions. This is because it causes the hospital to lose protected status.

Funny, I never see that crime called out.

[Beastly Boy]

59. And many people will use any excuse to deflect from a real war criminal's confession to real war crimes.

Because real war crimes are less horrific than hypothetical ones.

[emulatorloo]

60. Please avoid lying about your fellow DU'ers. Thanks.

[Cha]

72. What IDF War Crmes? Israel was Attacked by Medieval Savage Beasts

HAMAS on Oct 7, 2023 and started the WAR. And they Broke the Ceasefire on December 1.. They won't Stop and Israel is Not going to let HAMAS WIN.

Link to tweet

[Nixie]

2. Hopefully the hospital staff are protesting being used

as human shields by Hamas as much as they are complaining about Israel. Except it looks like the hospital staff doubles as terror operatives, which Israel probably knows.

[Zincwarrior]

20. I imagine they prefer living

Protesting Hamas there is an excellent way of ending up dead.

[nycbos]

25. Exactly. I don't blame them for keeping their mouths shut.

[Nixie]

73. Then Israel is doing the right thing since it's so obvious

how dangerous Hamas is. You can't be concerned about Palestinian's being killed by Hamas but not Israelis.

I've seen this response before and it makes no sense claiming that Hamas will kill their own people but no concern for Israelis they promise to kill. That's exactly why Israel wants them gone, so you can't have it both ways.

[Ace Rothstein]

3. Anything from the UN, MSF or Red Cross on this?

Or crickets as usual?

[sarisataka]

11. Expect a deafening silence

Only violations by one side matter...

[JI7]

45. I can understand the regular Palestinians being in fear

and not speaking out. But these groups are a problem and I think those that join them, especially for this area have a political agenda.

Their complete lack of concern for the hostages and even their annoyance at the hostage families shows this.

[mcar]

4. This needs to get way more attention

[Nanjeanne]

7. Wow.

[vanlassie]

12. I think I heard that guy interviewed by telephone,

Poo-pooing the idea that there could possibly be Hamas inside the hospital.

[Beastly Boy]

13. This is the guy who was reporting Palestinian casualties to the Hamas Health Authority

The numbers whose accuracy was never questioned and is still being reported in the complicit media as being accurate.

[David__77]

14. That would be before he was taken into custody by Israel.

[revmclaren]

15. This is the guy who's propaganda was spread

here on DU by a number of posters.

What is your comment on them being taken in by Hamas propaganda?

[David__77]

16. Was he trustworthy then or now, or neither?

[revmclaren]

17. He IS a brigadier general of Hamas.

He was never trustworthy.

He was lying from the beginning. Did you fall for his deception?

If so, why were you were taken in as were many others here on DU and out in the real world.

Some of us weren't taken in and were proven right. Any and all news negative to Israel has been posted here with no regards to sources or future reckoning.

So how about rabid anti Israel posters waiting just a little while to make sure of their sources and not fall into the Hamas propaganda trap.

[David__77]

18. I understand that you don't think he is trustworthy.

[Beastly Boy]

21. The question is

whether you think or ever thought he was trustworthy?

And on what grounds?

[obamanut2012]

66. If he is not trustworthy, why believe him about anything?

[Beastly Boy]

70. I am presuming you think he is not trustworthy, not now and not in the past.

Then, there is no justification for people taking him at his word when he was talking about his hospital, civilian deaths, etc, etc, etc.

Yet, so many people took his word for granted and endlessly moaned about his lies as if they were god's word.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218520445

And some of those people are now covering up for this war criminal.

That's what I wanted to make clear. Thank you.

[revmclaren]

32. Understatement of the century.

I expect other news organizations to pick this up soon.

Truth always comes out in the course of time.

Have a blessed day.

[obamanut2012]

28. Is he lying about Hamas using hospitals tehn?

This thread is confusing AF. he either is or is not trustworthy.

[revmclaren]

33. He is a member of Hamas.

All criminals are untrustworthy that's why evidence is collected to prove or disprove a crime. Obviously the evidence is overwhelming for him to confess.

I really dont think in the case of him stating that he has worked for Hamas for over 10 years is a lie. Maybe he's trying to make a deal to avoid a well deserved death sentence. The truth will come out. And it wont be what many are obviously hoping for.

As for being confused...I find that highly unlikely since you obviously have been following the threads very closely.

But as in many threads lately...I see lions.

[obamanut2012]

65. Okay, but you are saying one thing is a lie and the other isn't

So, how do we know which is the lie and which isn't a lie?

ELI5 please.

[revmclaren]

69. Please...this is Hamas.

Are you really supporting him.

Never mind. Your own words tell the tale.

Do not interact with me here again. I wont answer.

Bye

[TheKentuckian]

79. So, you are now moved to a place of being agnostic

on if the hospital was being used for terrorist operations or has that always been your position?

The line of reasoning is convoluted and tedious to me but at least you may be within shouting distance of accepting the truth.

I'm still unsure how we get escape velocity from the obvious.

The dude is a part of Hamas and was front man for a key part of the propaganda campaign. He got caught. He confessed.

This exactly how these fuckers roll!

You know good and well they are hostage takers.

You know they practice the use of human shields.

You know their word means nothing.

You know they are without honor.

[NoRethugFriends]

37. He was not taken in. He was just doing his job (please see my edit and explanation in the body

Last edited Tue Dec 19, 2023, 05:23 PM - Edit history (1)

Very sorry. Doing his job was supposed to be a reply to a certain poster.

[revmclaren]

38. 'Doing his job' ?

I think that is a very bad choice of words. It implies so very much.

[NoRethugFriends]

39. Aw, shucks. So sorry

😢

[Beastly Boy]

49. His job was administering a hospital, not violating international law.

He wasn't taken in for failing to do his job, he was taken in for being a suspected war criminal. And he confessed to the latter, not the former.

[TheKentuckian]

78. It seems that he had exactly both jobs.

Hospital Administrator and terrorist high command.

One cannot serve two diametrically opposed masters equally so Hamas won the seat on top of the pyramid.

The folks trying to play dumb on this is a little shocking just because the weird logic loops required to play the game would seemingly cause a brain hemorrhage or for one's intestines to spontaneously come out if the body to throttle themselves from being so wickedly full of shit.

[Beastly Boy]

19. yeah, I remember the thread on DU

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218520445

[Ace Rothstein]

22. LOL, what a thread.

[Beastly Boy]

26. Didn't age well, did it?

[Sympthsical]

31. I think it aged perfectly

Like a cheese you know is going to be great once it gets to where it is inevitably going.

[Ace Rothstein]

34. I had to give it a bump.

[madaboutharry]

29. I can't find words to describe that thread.

It gives new meaning to the word "bandwagon."

[revmclaren]

40. The wheels are rapidly falling off the bandwagon

but it seems the musicians are playing even louder to cover up this fact.

[nycbos]

23. In other news gambling goes on at Rick's Cafe.

I also bet many hospital staff were threatened to keep silent about this.

[Turbineguy]

24. Palestinians have been subjected to terrorist propaganda for several generations.

They are essentially 20-30 years ahead of the American RWNJ's.

Children's cartoons have suicide bombers as heroes.

There's a reason other Arab nations don't want them moving in. They support them with money to keep them out.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

27. Here is the terrorist leader

Link to tweet

[peggysue2]

44. Do we need to wait for someone to put this clip into context?

Or negate it's veracity? Or claim the statements were made under duress?

The words that jumped out at me:

The mission was more important (that would be more important than the injured waiting for transport)

They (Hamas) have ruined us.

The people always pay the price.

Hamas is the enemy of Israel and the Palestinians. Has been from the start.

[Cha]

61. TY, LMPV

[Kennah]

35. I'm shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here.

Your winnings, sir.

Oh, thank you very much.

[revmclaren]

36. This revelation proves an uncomfortable truth.

Here on DU, anti Israel posters have uncontrollable trigger fingers when it comes to reposting stories that show Israel in an unfavourable light without even a tiny bit of investigation or the patience to wait for more information. It's like the first poster to get a story out gets the cookies.

This time the box of cookies is not just empty, it's full of s%$t.

[Oopsie Daisy]

42. I have observed that as well. You described it perfectly.

[sarisataka]

41. This does shed light on the reports

Of medical staff shot and killed in the hospitals. They forgot to mention the staff were shooting at the IDF.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

46. Gaza hospital chief tells Shin Bet that his medical center was taken over by Hamas, housed a hostage

Link to tweet

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gaza-hospital-chief-tells-shin-bet-that-his-medical-center-was-taken-over-by-hamas-housed-a-hostage/

The director of Gaza’s Kamal Adwan hospital in Jabaliya reveals in a Shin Bet interrogation that his northern Gaza hospital was turned into a military facility under Hamas’s control and that at one point it housed a kidnapped soldier.

In footage published on Tuesday by the Shin Bet and IDF, hospital director Ahmed Kahlot tells Israeli forces that Hamas had offices inside the hospital and used it as a base for operational activity.

According to Kahlot, who himself has been a lieutenant colonel in Hamas since 2010, some 16 members of the hospital’s staff – including doctors, nurses and paramedics – are also Hamas operatives who serve in the al-Qassam Brigades, the military wing of the terror organization.

[emulatorloo]

54. Kick, Rec.

[Mountainguy]

57. This will be true throughout gaza.

Much like the Nazis, you aren't going to find yourself in a position of power without being a party man. They also likely placed all of their people into jobs like this to pull aid money with greater ease.

The myth is that most Palestinians aren't connected to Hamas. That there is this large group, a majority, that are just average people living under them. More likely anyone with a job in Gaza got it because hamas made it happen and they are loyal to them.

[LeftInTX]

62. Dayam....I saw some IDF videos of Kamal Adwan and posted them here.

They found guns inside medical equipment in the NICU. In the drawers. In the circuitry. (One picture looked like a grenade, but I couldn't be certain)

Someone commented that the IDF could have planted evidence and I agreed that they could have. I had posted the videos to show how much money Hamas had. Any terrorist organization that has the much money has a problem!

[Chainfire]

63. This Hamas "General" just decided to confess his crimes to the government of Israel.

He must have become an instant Zionist to give them such a propaganda coup. Of course, under the right circumstances, you could be convinced to swear, on all that is holy, that your father was a scorpion your mother a donkey and you were born on the planed Zelda...and really mean it.

This is war, folks. You can't believe anything that you hear and only 10% of what you see. But, hey, don't take my word for it.

In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.

Winston Churchill

All war is based upon deception

Sun Tzu

Avoid self-righteousness like the devil- nothing is so self-blinding.

B. H. Liddell Hart

[revmclaren]

64. So you are say his confession is untrue or coerced?

Wow. You truly are invested in this.

Tell you what, let's return to this post in a month and see how well its aged.

Screen shot and bookmarking for a future discussion.

[Chainfire]

71. I am not saying that it is untrue. What I am saying is none of us mortals know whether it is true

or not. You just can not trust any information issued by either entity when is comes to propaganda. You can see the same thing in the Russia/Ukraine war. I am 100% behind Ukraine, but I do not believe all of their official "news." As far as Russia, I will go as far as saying that I believe next to nothing about what they put out.

If a person does not think that Israel or Hamas would lie in order to advance their cause, then they just don't understand how war or politics work.

In 50 years, you can expect to know about half the truth.

[Cha]

75. Rec TY

Have you seen this OP?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218542611#top

[revmclaren]

76. Yes.

See my response to the poster worried about the Hamas leaders being called names.

[Cha]

77. OhmyGOSH!!

I will got back.. TY

[Arazi]

67. What incentive is there for him to lie?

It’s not as though everyone didn’t already know Hamas uses hospitals, schools, mosques as military bases.

Just as it’s a fact that many UN and UNRWA staff are Hamas.

What does he get out of this by lying?

In fact if he IS lying the evil motherfucker just gave Israel carte blanche to bomb the shit out of all hospitals since he’s admitting he’s been faking being a caring doctor but is instead a high ranking Hamas terrorist. He’s literally going to be responsible for killing *more* innocents. I mean, that may be his goal (shrug) but then don’t act all surprised when the next hospital is bombed because it’s really a Hamas military base.

Perhaps this guy wants more innocent Palestinian women and children to die - that is how Hamas rolls.

[LeftInTX]

68. Well, it goes both ways

[Cha]

74. Yes & "Hamas kills bid to revive ceasefire deal, hostage release -WSJ"

"Hamas's stance remains: they don't have a desire for humanitarian pauses. Hamas wants a complete end to the Israeli war on Gaza," a Palestinian official said[/b].

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218542611#top