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Republican voters could put an end to all these difficult legal questions about the 14th amendment and presidential immunity very easily...
By NOT nominating a candidate for President who's facing 91 felony charges and who courts have found engaged in an insurrection against the United States government.
The framers of our constitution never imagined a political party in our country actually voting for an insurrectionist who's under criminal indictment for among other things stealing classified documents. They figured such a traitor would be rejected by the majority of Americans and punished by the courts.
It's not too late for Republicans to vote for someone else. I imagine a lot of them would be secretly thrilled if the Supreme Court upheld the Colorado ruling and disqualified Trump from running again.
If not Republicans will spend 2024 defending the indefensible and having to explain to voters why insurrection and felony indictments are no big deal.
I have zero faith in SCOTUS doing the right thing but Republican primary voters still have one last off ramp from Trump and they should take it.
W_HAMILTON
(7,873 posts)Don't hold your breath expecting them to be our saviors here.
Ohio Joe
(21,763 posts)That is for a criminal case and it won't go away.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,121 posts)tonight.
First, I am the biggest doomsdayer on here, the most negative and skeptical about our surviving all this, but I am also a fan of Dean Obeidallah of XM fame and he is an attorney also and he says he is certain the SC will decide either 9-0 or worst case 7-2 that the traitor does NOT get immunity.
The logic of this which he explained makes sense to even me, me being NOT a legal expert. He says they have already made a decision about the traitor that says they will rule this way.
Having said all that I still think he gets away with everything somehow.
Sogo
(4,997 posts)voting in the R primaries....
I intend to do just that in the Iowa caucuses.
Raven123
(4,875 posts)In every state.
Sogo
(4,997 posts)probably most can....
TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)A few Dems infiltrating caucuses and primaries isn't going to change anything. They won't be able to counter half the party.
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/iowa-poll/caucus/2023/08/27/nearly-half-of-likely-republican-caucusgoers-are-maga-iowa-poll-shows-gop-trump-desantis-2024/70652081007/
Elessar Zappa
(14,077 posts)I agree though that thats exceedingly unlikely to happen.
TwilightZone
(25,485 posts)Trump is more than 40 points ahead of the others nationally. He's up 50 points in several states. He's going to coast to the nomination unless he's DQ'd by SCOTUS or drops out or drops dead.
The assertion that Democrats can show up and make enough of an impact to swing enough states to keep him out of the nomination is a pipe dream.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)That wouldn't allow us a) to lie and b) to contaminate ourselves with the evil of voting for a traitor thug.
Shrek
(3,984 posts)shrike3
(3,803 posts)Like the granddad who crashes the car three times, refuses to stop driving, so his kids have to take away the keys. That's where we are right now. Republicans who sued to get Trump off the ballot are trying to take away the keys.
Silent3
(15,282 posts)If anything, I think the odds are higher for SCOTUS upholding the Colorado decision because they have, so far, shown a willingness to hand Trump a fair number of verdicts he didn't like, or let stand decisions by lower courts that went against Trump.
Oh, I don't trust the "conservative" members of the Court (read reactionary, corrupt sellouts) to be fair and impartial, but I think they have no loyalty to Trump in particular, if not an active dislike for him (Thomas, and maybe Alito, perhaps aside). The question is how much they'd rather have any Republican, even if it has to be Trump, over a Democrat for the next four years. Even another four years of Biden isn't much of a threat to their majority 6-3 on the court unless a much higher rate of death or resignation than is likely occurs.
BlueTsunami2018
(3,503 posts)Not most of the elected officials, secretly they think hes a dangerous clown but the Republican voters worship this motherfucker and so in public they must as well.
None of the voters care about any of the things hes charged with or accused of, none of that is real, none of it matters. And average Joe doesnt know shit about shit politically. The little they glean comes from social media and mainstream news which does not give President Biden a fair shake.
Im afraid Piss Wig isnt going anywhere, not by Republican voters jettisoning him anyway. Thats never going to happen.
Butterflylady
(3,549 posts)Of their own and low polling numbers, Robert's knows the issue about Roes isn't going well for republican politicians. I think they will uphold Colorados Supreme Court.
WarGamer
(12,484 posts)Retribution and vengeance and all that
Johonny
(20,890 posts)Name himself the real GOP candidate and keep running third part as the real Republican. Trump will never stop running for president. He can't afford to.