Hamas kills bid to revive ceasefire deal, hostage release -WSJ

[Beastly Boy]

Hamas has allegedly rejected an Israeli offer for a one-week ceasefire in exchange for the release of hostages, saying they wouldn’t discuss releasing the hostages until a full ceasefire first goes into effect, Egyptian officials said, according to the Wall Street Journal report on December 20.

Ismail Haniyeh, the head of the political wing of the terrorist organization, met with intelligence officials in Cairo earlier today to discuss Israel's offer but allegedly said that he was there to obtain a full ceasefire and more humanitarian aid.

Palestinian Islamic Jihad would have been included in talks for the first time, however, they demanded a ceasefire before any negotiations begin. They also demanded all Palestinian prisoners be released in exchange for 100 hostages.

https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-778922

[TheProle]

1. Surely Pro-Pal Americans are vocally calling for Hamas to agree, right?

Right?

[Chautauquas]

6. As a matter of fact, some of them are

including some "pro-pal" friends of mine.

Of course, Hamas doesn't care what anyone thinks any more than Israel cares what anyone thinks. They're both hell-bent on destruction.

[lapucelle]

11. Hamas just rejected an Israeli offer of a ceasfire.

So no, they are not both hell-bent on destruction. Hamas is.

The pampered, well-fed billionaire division of Hamas terrorists doesn't care what happens to Gaza or to the Palestinians who live there.

Look at those pigs, yukking it up like they don't have a care in the world.

[WarGamer]

18. "Well fed"... they'd be less evil if skinnier?

[lapucelle]

19. What do you mean? N/T

[NickB79]

21. With Palestinians they purport to care about starving

I'd think you'd get the juxtaposition of a healthy, well-fed billionaire Hamas leader.

Well-fed doesn't even have to be an implication of weight. It could be a reference to their high-end food options, while their subjects eat scraps. You are the one using words such as corpulent. After all, the man in the picture hardly qualifies as corpulent. He's thinner than the average middle-aged American man.

[lapucelle]

25. That's not a set of adjectives. "Well-fed" is an adjective. "Pigs" is a noun.

Any further questions, sea below.

[Sal_NV]

32. JFC!!!

I did a double take when I read that post, I had to re-read it just to make sure I was reading it right.

[revmclaren]

30. They would be less evil if they wer were dead.

I see you self deleted your posts below.

Good idea but still the internet is forever.

Have a nice day.

[WarGamer]

31. No argument from me... but that's not what I was talking about.

[Cha]

35. What? No the GD HAMAS Leaders are "Well Fed" While

the Palestinians they're in Charge of are starving and the Fucking HAMAS does NOT want a Humanitarian Ceasefire.

"Hamas's stance remains: they don't have a desire for humanitarian pauses. Hamas wants a complete end to the Israeli war on Gaza," a Palestinian official said[/b].

[Cha]

12. HAMAS is the Terror Org who Killed the Ceasefire bc they won't give up

their Israeli Hostages. A one week of Ceasefire that could help Palestinians But HAMAS once Again doesn't give a SHIT.

[calguy]

52. That's exactly how I see it

And exactly why I've supported Israel frpm the start and rejected all the Hamas PR bullshit.
They are who we thought they were.

[Cha]

53. Rec Yes that's why I did too. 🇮🇱🕊️🕯️💙

[RubyRose]

62. Or admit that perhaps many of them have died or been killed while in captivity.

[Cha]

64. Exactly.. HAMAS is all about the

Lies and Butchering, Raping, Mutilating Women.

🕊️🕯️O 8)

[TheProle]

14. Based on observation of the protests

I’m going to venture a guess that it’s not the prevailing view, but glad to hear that for you it is.

[yardwork]

36. Equating Israel with HAMAS is grotesque.

One is a constitutional democracy. The other is a band of terrorist thugs.

[sarisataka]

24. I think I see the source of your confusion.

You are assuming the word ceasefire applies to both parties as one might typically think.

When the protesters hold up signs saying "Ceasefire Now" they mean "Israel stop fighting".

[lapucelle]

2. Look at the well-dressed, well-fed billionaire terrorists yukking it up while Gaza suffers.

[CincyDem]

4. Smiling because they are getting everything's the want out of this.

[Buns_of_Fire]

7. They look healthy enough to stand before a firing squad.

They want to be martyrs. I'm perfectly willing to see their wish granted -- the sooner the better.

[Sympthsical]

9. If anything, they're martyrs to wine tasting

And the 2pm charcuterie board is downright an imposition.

Rough life, if you have to suffer it.

[dalton99a]

16. They need to be dead.

[question everything]

33. And they are not even in Gaza but at luxury hotels in Qatar, Moscow and Istanbul

[RubyRose]

63. You can bet there are teams watching them wherever they are...

[CincyDem]

3. How out a character...a my way or the highway response from Hamas.

I guess they’re hoping the world will continue to forget there are still 130-ish hostages (or bodies) to release.

[Arazi]

5. Quelle surprise

Since they’ve broken the last two ceasefires, even if they’d agreed they’re just big liars.

If I had to guess they just got a fresh load of artillery supplies and decided to keep on instead of needing the ruse of a ceasefire to resupply

[Sympthsical]

8. Did they not see the signs at the protests?

Maybe they assumed the protesters weren't talking to them.

Which would be a wild assumption, I'm sure.

It is, isn't it?

Anyone?

Oh.

[Mossfern]

10. I guess they really don't care

about the destruction and Palestinian deaths in Gaza.
If they did, they would free the hostages immediately.
The pro-Palestinian protesters would be more effective in protecting innocent civilians and children if they focused their attention on releasing the Israeli hostages instead of harassing Jews.....nu?

[AloeVera]

37. Whether Hamas cares or not is out of our control and kind of besides the point, no?

If we supplied arms and gave billions in military aid to Hamas, and if it were a nation-state instead of a quasi-military group using terrorist tactics, then we might have a chance in making them care. Alas we don't.

There is only one party with a far superior military bombing and killing innocent civilians by the thousands at the moment and for the last 9 weeks. That party is our ally, a beneficiary of our generous support, and a nation-state with obligations to respect international and humanitarian laws on the protection of civilians.

So which party do you think people are going to protest against?

And do you think if they released all the hostages Israel would stop the destruction and Palestinian deaths?

[Mossfern]

38. If we gave arms to Hamas

They would immediately try to destroy Israel and there would be even more death and suffering because Israel will not back down no matter how many protesters there are in other countries. Israel is fighting for survival - it is Hamas's mission to eradicate Israel and kill all Jews, not only in Israel, but throughout the world.

If the protesters demanded that Hamas release Israeli hostages, then there would be a chance for peace.

Remember, it was Hamas that broke the cease fire that was already in place.
It was Hamas that started the war by attacking peaceful communities with atrocities, and it was Hamas who took hostages.

How do you stop a war by supplying more arms? That's just adding more fuel to the fire.
This is not kindergarten where everyone gets the same amount of cookies to be fair.

It is Hamas that turned down a cease fire - not Israel.
Hamas has even declared that the blood of Palestinians would be good for their cause.
SMH

[AloeVera]

40. I was not clear, sorry.

In no way did I mean to say we should supply arms to Hamas! My point was we have no leverage with Hamas as we should with Israel. Also that we should expect more from Israel than from Hamas.

I just want the suffering of civilians to stop, as do the protesters. Whether hostages or Palestinians. Both.

[Mossfern]

41. Well intentioned,

but naive.

Believe me, I am a peacenik, but also a realist.
What would you have Israel do?
What do you think would be the outcome of whatever action you suggest would be?

[AloeVera]

43. I'm not as naive as you think, fellow peacenik.

Israel has to destroy Hamas, I understand that! But why destroy all of Gaza and kill and injure tens of thousands, starve them, terrorize them, destroy much of their infrastructure and make the place unlivable for them? The level of suffering there is inhuman, the only word that can come close to describing it.

I know you will respond with human shields, no choice, hiding behind civilians etc etc

I don't buy that. Israel had other choices, a more targeted and less destructive approach, but Netanyahu and his extremists CHOSE this route for their own nefarious reasons and the result is really, really bad.

This reality is what the protests are about.

[Mossfern]

44. Did you not see the Palestians (not Hamas) celebrating in the streets

The women giving celebratory sweets to the children, while the civilian men spitting on and beating victims and carcasses of women who were tortured, raped and killed?
How does Israel separate them out?

What about schools teaching children as 5 years old(sometimes younger) that their mission in life is to kill Jews.
Understand that I now see West Bank settlers' children mimicking that same behavior against Palestinians.
At least most Jewish people and Israelis denounce the actions of West Bank settlers. Where's the outcry of innocent Palestinian civilians against the atrocities of Hamas?

There have been protests and marches against Netanyahu and Likud - what protests do we see in Gaza against Hamas?

[AloeVera]

54. I have questions too.

I understand the anger and outrage all Israelis feel. We all felt it with them.

Do those women celebrating what in their minds must have been a first "victory" in 75 years deserve to die for it? The civilian men we saw doing that in Gaza also deserve to die even though they didn't murder anybody? What about the 2+ million others who had no part at all in October 7th? Are they all guilty collectively and deserving of this punishment? Surely the answer must be no to collective punishment.

Are schools really teaching young kids that? All schools and all young kids? Or have a few bad apples been found and propagandized to make you believe that? As for what some learn from their parents...

If most Israelis denounce the settlers as you claim, why does Likud and worse get elected? Perhaps because most Israelis now support the expansion of the illegal settlements but maybe not the extreme tactics.

Where is the Palestinian outcry over the atrocities of Hamas you ask? They are busy running from bombs and scrounging for food to feed their children. But no, they would not protest the actions of who they consider their only protectors and resistance fighters. Similar to why we don't see protests in Israel against the war. They don't see the war the same way as many in the international community.

I think the hatred and wish to destroy/expell is mutual. Israel is not blameless here. The effects of the decades-old occupation and continuing Palestinian displacement and lack of rights and statelessness has taken a toll in different ways on both societies. I don't know where it will go from here, but I fear for the Gazans right now.

[Mossfern]

55. Netanyahu negotiated a coalition to stay in power, he ended up

joining the most right wing extremists in order to get the majority. Israelis have been protesting Netanyahu for quite a while and he was being investigated. There were several marches by Israelis to oust Netanyahu.i It seems that Hamas played that weakness in order to attack Israel.

After the atrocities against fellow peaceniks in kibbutzim, I don't understand how you can still be making excuses for Palestinian behavior. The US has won several wars, yet there was never any celebrating at the individual deaths up close and personal by US citizens.

Yes, there is documentation of children being taught to murder Jews - all one needs to do is a simple google search: https://themedialine.org/top-stories/report-on-unrwas-misuse-of-us-funds-to-incite-hate-to-be-presented-on-hill/ You can look up the source of the article. I purposely avoided citing any source you may consider as biased. There are numerous articles regarding this.

I see you joined DU on October 14th, was it because of the Israeli/Palestinian issue?

BTW, the parading of hostages and bodies and the celebrations occurred before there was a response from Israel. At that moment in time Palestinians were not running from anything - they were spitting on the corpses of raped,tortured and murdered Israeli young women.

[lapucelle]

13. Kick

[betsuni]

15. K&R

[Cha]

17. ""Hamas's stance remains: they don't have a desire for humanitarian pauses. Hamas wants a complete end to the Israeli..

"Hamas's stance remains: they don't have a desire for humanitarian pauses. Hamas wants a complete end to the Israeli war on Gaza," a Palestinian official said.

NO MF HAMAS.. it's the HAMAS War on Israel.. Get your Asshole facts Straight, Idiots.

And there you have it.. So those GD protesters can talk to HMAS like some of us have Always said and Stop Harassing at times Violently Dems and Jewish Students, Teachers and Businesses.. and anything they've Crashed with their Stupidity.

[SoFlaBro]

46. Hamas's business is dead children and business is BOOMING

[Cha]

47. Yeah, HAMAS Traffics in Death.

[SoFlaBro]

48. They can't wait to get their phone out to record dying children even if they have to plant to bomb to get the shot

[Cha]

49. HAMAS is a Medieval Savage Beast Terror organization

And Israel Isn’t going to let them Invade their country again.

Those Useless protesters need to get it through their heads that HAMAS won’t stop Firing for Humanitarian Pauses.

[SoFlaBro]

50. IDF needs to mop up every Hamas terrorist filth and Hamas-loving shitstain they come across.

[Cha]

51. Agee Rec 🇮🇱🕊️🕯️💙

[mcar]

23. SoS Blinken was correct

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218542324

Hamas can end this by laying down their arms, releasing the hostages and surrendering. But no, it's all Israel's fault because... reasons.

[Cha]

26. Rec.. TY. From the OP's link...

"Hamas's stance remains: they don't have a desire for humanitarian pauses. Hamas wants a complete end to the Israeli war on Gaza," a Palestinian official said[/b].

[Cha]

57. Kicking this Again.. some aren't getting it.

[Sal_NV]

28. But, but, but............wait for it.............

ISRAEL!!!!

Can't hardly wait for the pro Palestinian/Israel haters to spin this as Israel's fault.

[Mossfern]

39. Already happened.

See post #37

[AloeVera]

42. That misrepresents what I said.

In case I wasn't clear, I just added.

I did not say the failure of this potential ceasefire was Israel's fault. Where did I say that?

I commented only about the reasons why there are protests against Israel. As a response to your question why people were not protesting Hamas.

I hope it's clear now.

[sarisataka]

29. Bookmarking for the next time the claim is made

That it is Israel who refuses to negotiate.

[LeftInTX]

34. But, but, Hamas is oppressed.....

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[Cha]

45. I have it Bookmarked, too.. and just came

to kick this thread for those who have Not seen it Yet.

TY!

[Cha]

56. Reminder Kick Thank You..

[Cha]

58. Some still Not informed on this vital information. TY

[Cha]

59. Kick

[Beastly Boy]

60. Mahalo, Cha!

Four times over.

[Cha]

61. You're Welcome BB.. such Important

Information should be Pinned!

🕊️🕯️🇮🇱💙

[Cha]

65. Kicking into the New Year...