I had not known this about DeJoy

[Grasswire2]

He was chairman of Republican Finance Committee.
I did know that USPS Board member Derek Kan, nominated by Biden, had served on GOP Finance Committee (as well as having worked for Moscow Mitch and also for Mrs. Mitch).

Why would Biden nominate Kan? So many citizens cannot understand or see WH strategy regarding mail (and ballots).

And why isn't there some messaging regarding USPS from WH?

I could spend all day every day answering questions on social media from concerned citizens who are mystified about DeJoy.

This matter hurts Biden in public opinion. I see it every day. A short statement in WH briefing room would suffice.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

1. Biden supports DeJoy because of his buy-in on green vehicles for the USPS. DeJoy and Podesta work closely together.

I'd rather have a post office I could rely on, though, tbh

[Think. Again.]

3. DeJoy resisted the EV thing for a long time...

...I believe he even had an order in place for new combustion vehicles before something changed and the USPS ordered EVs instead.

This is from Febuary 2022;

"The United States Postal Service announced Wednesday that it will proceed with a multibillion-dollar plan to modernize its fleet of mail trucks with mostly gas-powered vehicles — instead of the electric trucks that President Biden and the Environmental Protection Agency have called for."

Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-postal-service-gas-trucks-electric-biden-epa/

[Captain Zero]

11. DeJoy figured out how to get a kickback

from ordering the EVs.

That's what I'd bet.

[SarahD]

28. Exactly

I remember the general uproar when they announced buying all those gasoline vehicles and no EVs. As everybody pointed out at the time, those little boxy things that drive the same route every day would be a perfect fit for EVs.

[Silent Type]

31. At the time, there as not enough funding for mostly EVs. DeJoy testified before Congress,

and more money was appropriated.

[progressoid]

8. Yup....n/t

[GiqueCee]

14. Seems to me...

... that an EV USPS fleet would be a given if DeJoy were to be replaced a Democrat who was not determined to destroy the only service entity mandated in the Constitution. And Podesta works closely with DeJoy? I'm not sure that passes the smell test.

I admire and defend Biden, but I'd have to know a LOT more about the why's and wherefore's of this arrangement before I'd voice any support for someone whose earliest actions upon assuming the office was to order the destruction – not just disassembly – of brand new sorting machines just before the deadline for mail-in ballots to be returned.

This isn't about loyalty to Biden; DeJoy has none. This is about loyalty to the American people, which I don't believe DeJoy, or ANY Republican, has at all.

DeJoy is a Republican, so I wouldn't trust him any further than I can throw my truck.

[dalton99a]

2. Because there were no qualified Democrats available.

[Ford_Prefect]

4. Dejoy is invested in privatizing the mail service.

He is also a player in the private package shipping business.
He also is an as yet unprosecuted criminal who destroyed millions of dollars worth of high tech mail handling equipment.
Like TFG he has so far eluded prosecution for actions for which others would have long since been arrested.

[keithbvadu2]

26. destroyed millions of dollars worth of high tech mail handling equipment.

Throwing away million$ worth of mail sorting machines and going back to manual labor.

Surely there must be a cost-benefit analysis to make such a business decision. Let's see it.

[Silent Type]

32. All the flat mail sorters were not being used. Wonder why? Because lot less mail nowadays.

Good move to switch to packages.

[keithbvadu2]

34. Show the cost/benefit analysis.

[Silent Type]

36. 60% of the flat sorters were unused. Finally, someone said why are we keeping them

when we need to prepare to ship more packages?

[keithbvadu2]

37. Square root of minus 1

[former9thward]

12. Any of your posts can be removed if you want.

At the bottom of the post it says "Powers". Click on that and you can delete if you wish.

[Ford_Prefect]

16. Got it. Thanks

[W_HAMILTON]

6. Because there are limits on how many members from each political party can be on the USPS Board of Governors.

"No more than five governors may belong to the same political party."

There are three Democratic members already on the Board and Biden has two spots that have opened up as of December 8, 2023, that he has to put in nominations for.

You do the math.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

13. And two of the three Democrats he has named support DeJoy.

ETA: As does the independent he named to the board.

[W_HAMILTON]

15. And?

(1) Did they announce their support for DeJoy before they were nominated?

(2) If there's not enough support to remove him at the time -- and there hasn't been -- what does their support matter one way or the other? If they """support""" him until the day they have enough to remove him and then they no longer support him, I'm fine with that.

Do you trust so little in Biden and the other good Democrats handling these things that you think there is some sort of conspiracy to keep DeJoy in place?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

18. .

1. Yep. In fact, they were likely nominated because they supported DeJoy.

2. "What does their support matter one way or the other?" It's probably what got them named to the board.

Do you trust so little in Biden and the other good Democrats handling these things that you think there is some sort of conspiracy to keep DeJoy in place?

No. I think Biden supports DeJoy and names people to the board who support DeJoy so DeJoy will stay where he is. That's not a conspiracy. DeJoy is still there because Biden supports him, that's all.

[W_HAMILTON]

21. Except we know that at least one of his Democratic appointments is very outspoken when it comes to DeJoy.

(Ron Stroman)

So, that shoots your conspiracy theory all to hell.

DeJoy is there because there hasn't been a sufficient majority to remove him from power. Biden cannot do it directly. Biden must make appointments to the Board, whose job it would be to oust DeJoy. Biden is limited on how many Democrats he can appoint. There are currently only three Democrats on the Board, but two open nominations that only came open earlier this month.

Let's stick to reality and not conjure up conspiracy theories meant to denigrate Biden as if he doesn't have the same sort of views that the vast majority of Democrats have when it comes to the current USPS under DeJoy's leadership.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

22. Say, as long as you're responding to a made-up argument and attributing it to me, could you loop me in on what it is?

What conspiracy theory do you think I'm articulating?

Biden has named Democrats to the board who support DeJoy. Rather than looking for hidden messages, I choose to take those actions at face value -- that Biden supports DeJoy and wants a board of governors who keeps DeJoy there. How does taking his actions at face value denigrate him?

[W_HAMILTON]

25. The oft used one from some progressives that Biden is a secret right-winger and not an actual ally to the left's causes.

I trust Biden and his administration and, no, I do not think he supports DeJoy or is nominating candidates to keep DeJoy in power.

Did you take Kavanaugh and all the other Justices that voted to overturn Roe v Wade at face value when they claimed that it was settled law -- until they had a majority in place where they could overturn it, as everyone suspected they would all along?

Biden has not had yet had a majority on the USPS to get rid of DeJoy and I see no reason to buy into the conspiracy theory that he is nominating people that want to keep him in power given that some of his nominees have been quite outspoken critics of DeJoy and his plans. Having the board members outright say they will vote to oust DeJoy is a good way to make sure that Biden never gets to nominate that crucial vote that gets him ousted in the first place (see: Republican obstructionism throughout the years, including when Scalia died and Obama had the chance to nominate a Justice that could have swung the power of the Court).

So, not only is it a conspiracy theory created in bad faith by questioning Biden's intentions, I would say it also shows a complete lack of understanding of the politics behind these sorts of things.

I have faith in Biden and his team.

EDIT: FURTHERMORE, Biden has nominated three Democrats to the Board -- and there's reason to believe at least two of them are very much anti-DeJoy, whereas I don't believe the third has said much one way or the other, so that completely flies in the face of your claim that "Biden has named Democrats to the board who support DeJoy."

[WhiskeyGrinder]

30. Lol show me where I've said or even implied that.

I trust Biden and his administration and, no, I do not think he supports DeJoy or is nominating candidates to keep DeJoy in power.

Fair! This doesn't change the fact that he has nominated people who support DeJoy.

Did you take Kavanaugh and all the other Justices that voted to overturn Roe v Wade at face value when they claimed that it was settled law -- until they had a majority in place where they could overturn it, as everyone suspected they would all along?

I tend to take the word of Republicans and Democrats very differently; am I alone in this?

Biden has not had yet had a majority on the USPS

There's room for nine governors on the board. Two seats are empty. Biden has nominated five of the current seven governors. Trump did the other two.

Biden has nominated three Democrats to the Board -- and there's reason to believe at least two of them are very much anti-DeJoy, whereas I don't believe the third has said much one way or the other,

Could spell out this "reasons to believe"? It's up to the board to take action, and if they haven't and they're not getting pressure to do so, what do you suppose they're waiting for?

[W_HAMILTON]

38. We can read your words.

Biden has nominated only three Democrats, with two seats now open as of earlier this month. Once again, he is prevented from nominating more than five members from any one party. You claimed that he has nominated "Democrats" -- plural -- that support DeJoy. This is wrong. One is definitely anti-DeJoy, one is probably anti-DeJoy based on their background, and the other I haven't seen indicate one way or the other that they support or don't support DeJoy; however, given Biden's other Democratic nominations -- which, once again, completely fly in the face of your debunked claims that Biden supports DeJoy -- I'd give Biden and his team the benefit of the doubt here.

And the "reasons to believe" are based on their *actual* previous comments and/or history, and not anti-Biden uninformed progressive opinion articles that think Biden has the power to simply snap his fingers and make progressive utopia a reality.

[GiqueCee]

17. Which raises the obvious question...

... why weren't those candidates rejected out of hand before being appointed? There's some seriously underhanded skullduggery going on around this DeJoy business. He's a weasel.

I know you've got a lot on your plate these days, Joe, but this USPS shit impacts ordinary Americans on a daily basis, and not in a good way. They deserve to know what the hell's going on.

And, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has been done to reverse that despicable stunt the Republicans pulled by requiring the USPS to fund their retirement plan 75 years in advance. No other agency or business interest has ever been saddled with such an onerous burden.

All outward appearances seem to suggest that someone's sleeping with the enemy. Prove me wrong. Please.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

19. "... why weren't those candidates rejected out of hand before being appointed?"

Because Biden supports DeJoy. It's not a conspiracy, and I'm not sure why people think it is. DeJoy is still where he is because Biden supports him.

[GiqueCee]

20. Again...

... WHY?!!?
Given the exhaustively documented instances of DeJoy's destructive intentions, not to mention his conflicts of interest, it is more than fair to expect an explanation for why any Democrat supports him, never mind the President!

[WhiskeyGrinder]

23. If you google, you'll see articles about how DeJoy won Biden over by agreeing to the "green vehicle" provision for the

USPS.

[GiqueCee]

24. I'm aware of all that...

... but I have a hard time believing that DeJoy will change his spots, so to speak. A concession regarding EVs, the introduction of which is a long way down the road under the best of circumstances, does little more than afford DeJoy more time to continue his depredations. Hardly a fair trade.

I've circumnavigated the Sun a tad over 76 times, and I've spent a great deal of that time watching, very closely, the Machiavellian machinations of Republicans. I can say with certainty that THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED under any circumstances.

Ole Joe's got 5 years on me, and has worked cheek by jowl with those on the Dark Side of the Aisle for decades, so I would expect that his reservations and suspicions about them would exceed even my jaded expectations of their treachery.

Whatever. I still have presents to wrap.

Have a wonderful Christmas, WhiskeyGrinder, my friend!

[Silent Type]

33. What destructive intentions? I remember all the warnings that DeJoy COULD cost Biden election by

not delivering ballots. Like most of these type fears, it didn’t happen.

I’m a longtime fan of USPS, having ridden with my granddad on his rural postal route in 1950s. Post Office was in bad need of modernization and overhaul.

[GiqueCee]

39. One of DeJoy's first acts...

... was to dismantle and destroy NEW sorting machines. He also closed, or cut back hours, in rural post offices like mine. He cut pay for rural postmasters and delivery people, many of whom had to do double duty, or lose their jobs. A friend of mine works in our Post Office. He used to love his job. Ya think I'm too rough on poor Louie? You ought to hear him sandblast that jerk.

Oh... and DeJoy's a Republican installed by Trump. You still want to defend him, go for it.

Trying to wring the whole truth out of ANY of the participants in this royal clusterfuck is a fool's errand. But I have to amuse myself somehow.

[W_HAMILTON]

27. No, it raises the counter-claim that the other person was wrong.

And -- given that he has been countered with actual evidence multiple times and yet insists on being wrong -- I would say we are at the level where it's an outright damn lie at this point.

Biden has nominated three Democrats.

One is a vocal critic of DeJoy.

Another previously worked closely for a union (the American Postal Workers Union) that has been anti-DeJoy.

The third one, I haven't seen him indicate one way or the other anything to point as to how he would vote. Just innuendo from the hate-on-Biden segment of progressives that look at someone's history and decries them not as purist as they should be.

[MichMan]

29. The 75 year retirement policy is no longer in place since Congress eliminated it in 2022

"And, to the best of my knowledge, nothing has been done to reverse that despicable stunt the Republicans pulled by requiring the USPS to fund their retirement plan 75 years in advance. No other agency or business interest has ever been saddled with such an onerous burden".

Are you aware that the Postal Reform Act of 2006, which established the 75 year pension funding policy, passed both the House and the Senate unanimously? That would include votes by the last 4 Democratic Presidential candidates.

[Silent Type]

35. Thanks for actual/verifiable facts.

[IronLionZion]

7. I miss the days when I had no idea who the postmaster general was

because the mail would just be delivered correctly.

[LymphocyteLover]

9. the DeJoy situation is mystifying.... I can only figure that not enough of the Postal Board is unhappy with

him to get rid of him.

Hard to believe that many people are truly upset about this over everything else going on...

[elocs]

10. My mail carrier, a hard core Democrat who retires in just over a year, says DeJoy is going to destroy the USPS.

That's where it is heading.