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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBREAKING: First part of Epstein contact list released
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwellniyad
(134,034 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)niyad
(134,034 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(27,497 posts)brooklynite
(96,882 posts)vapor2
(4,917 posts)LeftInTX
(34,852 posts)Docreed2003
(18,714 posts)Not surprising in the least that Epstein would keep records vague.
former9thward
(33,424 posts)I saw Donald Trump, his wife Marla, Senator George Mitchell, Senator John Glenn, a bunch of "one male" or "one female" or various initials of who knows who. Bill Clinton shows up twice on page 91 along with Niomi Campbell. One entry with 3 Secret service agents and one with 10 agents.
Quakerfriend
(5,882 posts)Many trips with Andy- could be Prince Andrew.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)Which is kinda interesting
Edit..also Alan Dershowitz at least a couple of times
Edit again, that 1 male or 1 female crap is creepy. At some point someone brought their baby. At least I hope it was just a visit
Edit : Bill Clinton along with Naomi Campbell, Kevin Spacey
LudwigPastorius
(15,006 posts)Are those underaged victims or something else entirely?
RockRaven
(19,754 posts)I think I will let some miserable journalist slog through the list, and read about what they say they found a couple days from now.
Johnny2X2X
(24,435 posts)We all know Epstein had rich and famous friends.
jmowreader
(53,395 posts)Note to all: you can download this as a PDF. Do that. It's easier to work with.
In the early pages Itzhak Perlman and his wife appear a few times.
Page 32 has a couple entries for Senator George Mitchell.
Page 43 (dated 1996) lists John Glenn and Alan Dershowitz. Glenn went once, Dershowitz three times.
On page 96 there's an entry where he took Bill Clinton to the Azores. However, that flight was on a Boeing 727, not Epstein's Gulfstream II.
Very strange log. Looks like the guy was flying a who's who of rich people around.
GoCubsGo
(35,000 posts)Sometimes it's just about access to rich and famous people, for whatever reason. There's a good chance he was flying some of these people around in order to try to paint an air of respectability. If people see you giving Bill Clinton a free ride to the Azores to do some work with his charity foundation, they're going to look at you as a good guy, not as a sex trafficker.
brettdale
(12,748 posts)People who visited his island and nothing about which of them raped underage girls.
Bluesaph
(1,026 posts)former9thward
(33,424 posts)The case is already over. This is just evidence being released since it is over.
EllieBC
(3,639 posts)Not you, OP. I mean the person holding all the names.
Will it cause a meltdown on all sides? Probably. Lots of politicians and celebs doing shit they shouldnt be doing? Very very likely.
So what. Let it out. Lets know who is human garbage now.
newdayneeded
(2,493 posts)talked about in the news will be Clinton's name on there.
harumph
(3,418 posts)sarcasmo
(23,968 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(34,296 posts)A lot of Elvis?
Rebl2
(17,930 posts)bigtree
(94,672 posts)..the trend has been to make them all out to be clients.
Here, the use of 'contacts' looks to be a similar effort to tag them with the worst of what Epstein was accused of.
I recall that he was a consultant in early 80's recovering stolen money for clients from fraudulent brokers and lawyers. He was deep in a business relationship with Saudi Arabian defense contractor Adnan Khashoggi.
He spent time after that as a corporate vulture, much like Mitt Romney.
Point is, many of these 'associates' may well have had nefarious business dealings with Epstein and had no knowledge of his pimp work, but that's not what the build-up to this list is about.
It's going to be more of a vehicle for innuendo and guilt by association of the worst he was accused of, however well deserved, than revelations about involvement in sex trafficking, which most folks hanging on the revealing of this list are looking to make out of it.
AllaN01Bear
(29,803 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
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